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Mac OS X 10.4.1 Is Out 151

MrBadbar writes "Software Update just informed me that an update to Mac OS X (10.4.1) is now available. The updates include mail, address book, dashboard widgets, Safari, iLife, and other miscellaneous fixes. At this rate, it's only about 18 more weeks until 10.5."
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Mac OS X 10.4.1 Is Out

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  • by byolinux ( 535260 ) *
    No noticable problems. Has anyone heard of a 'grinding' noise problem with powerbook g4s (less than a year old) though?
    • Interestingly enough, this happened to me also in my 3yr old powerbook. When I installed Tiger i zeroed the disk before hand and after installation and so forth the hard disk drive would make these crunching and clicking noises. I'd had a few minor problems prior to this and it was zeroing the disk that put it over the edge.

      I ended up replacing the hard disk myself (warranty expired long time ago) and I was amazed at how the computer was even still booting off that disk - when I took it out and shook it i
      • Some laptop hard drives make noise when you shake them even when they're new. In particular, slowly flip one over and it will make a click noise at some point along the way.
    • by skingers6894 ( 816110 ) on Monday May 16, 2005 @10:08PM (#12550404)
      I installed 10.4.1 update without incident.

      BUT I had a problem earlier with a grinding noise in the hard-disk area on my powerbook.

      Turned out to be that the hard disk was faulty.

      IDE type Hard drives have an area of space reserved for "reallocating" bad sectors. If your disk is really bad this area will fill up. When there is no more space left to reallocate to you will get a SMART error.

      Click on "About this Mac", click "more info" and select your drive from the ATA section. You will see the SMART status there.

      If you get this then you need to replace the drive.

      I ended up replacing my drive with a 7200RPM Momentus - MAN I'm happy the old one died now!
    • Yes, mine had this problem, but only when the system was plugged into the wall. Open up Energy Saver and try setting processor speed to automatic instead of highest.
  • A couple of notes (Score:5, Insightful)

    by daveschroeder ( 516195 ) * on Monday May 16, 2005 @08:20PM (#12549690)
    First of all, Mac OS X 10.4 has been complete since March 28. So while it wasn't released until April 29, Mac OS X 10.4.1 has been in development for over six weeks.

    Second, Mac OS X 10.4.1 completely fixes the the widget auto-installation issue by adding widgets to the items that Safari prompts for before a download is complete. You will now receive a notice:

    "(file) is an application. Are you sure you want to download the application (file)?"

    ...including when Safari is in its default state, i.e., "Open 'safe' files after downloading" is enabled. This issue is now completely mitigated, as no item can be downloaded or installed without the user's express knowledge and permission. Therefore, this issue is now closed.

    • by jdb8167 ( 204116 ) on Monday May 16, 2005 @08:39PM (#12549823)
      Mac OS X 10.4.1 completely fixes the the widget auto-installation issue

      I can confirm this. I would disagree on the "completely" but it is certainly good enough for now. It would be better if you couldn't override existing widgets and even better if Apple supplied an advanced button that allowed me to control the sandbox that is built in to Dashboard. As it stands now, Apple has a working sandbox with various levels of security which is completely useless because it isn't exposed to the end user. What is the point of having a AllowFullAccess boolean if the developer can add it without any controls by the user?

      Also, do you know if this fixes the 1GB sparse image problem? I see a HFS resource fork issue vaguely mentioned in the developer release notes but I have no idea if that is the sparse image problem or not.

      • What is the point of having a AllowFullAccess boolean if the developer can add it without any controls by the user?

        None at all, and it wouldn't make any difference if the user could control it. Dashboard is not inherently sandboxed, and shouldn't be. It's an application environment, not a browser.

        The real problem is still that Safari is treating Dashboard as "safe", when Dashboard is not "safe". Even if "open safe files after downloading" was a good idea, a Dashboard widget is NOT a safe file.
    • First of all, Mac OS X 10.4 has been complete since March 28. So while it wasn't released until April 29, Mac OS X 10.4.1 has been in development for over six weeks.

      If Apple is like most large development houses, 10.4.1 went into development well before 10.4 went gold. Typically you start work on the next release as soon as you go from development into test, and work on both paths simultaneously until the first track is released. Bugs that are known in the first track but not deemed severe may be delay
    • "Second, Mac OS X 10.4.1 completely fixes the the widget auto-installation issue by adding widgets to the items that Safari prompts for before a download is complete."


      Widgets are still autoinstalled by Safari when "open safe files" is turned on. PROMPTING BEFORE AUTOINSTALLING IS NOT ENOUGH. This is one of the first things Microsoft did to try and paper over ActiveX, and we can all see how successful that was.
  • SMB no change (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Updated to 10.4.1 and I still cannot access my lovely debian server from my tiger machine.
    • Re:SMB no change (Score:5, Insightful)

      by jellomizer ( 103300 ) * on Monday May 16, 2005 @09:13PM (#12550061)
      Did you fill out a bug report. This is a big issue and I put in a bug report about it. If more people place in a bug report about it maybe they can fix it quicker. For the short term I am using NFS to connect to the files I need but I really need SMB soon. Lucally for me I don't need my Mac to get my work done. But it makes it a lot more efficient when I have it.
    • I've been connecting to my debian machine via samba just fine with 10.4. I'm running unstable, samba version 3.0.14a. P
    • Re:SMB no change (Score:4, Informative)

      by Squozen ( 301710 ) on Tuesday May 17, 2005 @12:03AM (#12551142) Homepage
      I can access both my Debian boxes fine from my Mac. Didn't change a thing after a clean install except specify the correct workgroup in the Directory Access app. I'm not even sure if I need to do it or not, but everything works and I'm fine with that.

      Have you checked your logs to see why Samba is failing?
    • Re:SMB no change (Score:3, Informative)

      by jamie ( 78724 )
      Hm. Works for me. Debian stable running a stock samba, mounted in Tiger from the regular old Network pane of the Finder. Only real change I made to /etc/samba/smb.conf was to bump SO_SNDBUF and SO_RCVBUF from 4096 to 65536.
    • Not to sound negative, but I'm mounting and unmounting Windows XP shares all day without so much of a problem. If there are problems, I'd say it has more to do with configuration issues at the Debian end, because quite frankly, if there were something to go wrong, it'd be between Windows XP and SAMBA, not between one SAMBA server and another.

      Then again, like someone else mentioned, why not use NFS? if you've got Windows XP Pro machines, why not chuck services for UNIX on, and mount the NFS shares?
      • So why would all these untouched Samba systems running fine for years (with OS 10.1, 10.2, 10.3) just happen to be misconfigured the same day you install OS 10.4 I for one didn't change any setting sience then. And neither did the company. I call that an OS X bug. Espectially if it has been working and still is working fine for all other OS's except for 10.4, There may be a configuration in Samba to get it to work. But I shouldn't have to, and risk breaking all the other OS's connection. It is a 10.4 pro
        • I don't disagree. Apple should support the full SAMBA spec.

          But, please enable encrypted passwords. Not only will it get Tiger to interface with your server (small bonus) but it helps increase the security of your LAN. The last thing you'd want to do is give an attacker your password for free, with no effort at all. Then they wouldn't even have to hack your mac, they'd just use the password you graciously gave them.

          This is for the good of the Internet. Get with it.
    • Updated to 10.4.1 and I still cannot access my lovely debian server from my tiger machine.

      I have the same problem accessing my FreeBSD samba server (well, maybe - mine just sits there "Connecting..." forever).

      Interestingly enough, the RHEL samba server sitting right next to it works fine...

    • Maybe you should switch distro's? ;) for me, 10.4 connects just fine via smb to Fedora Core3 and/or Win2k3SVR.

    • Re:SMB no change (Score:5, Informative)

      by tyagiUK ( 625047 ) on Tuesday May 17, 2005 @07:27AM (#12553148) Homepage
      I had problems connecting to my Samba server running on Debian when I first installed 10.4.

      It appears as though 10.4 requires the password exchange to be encrypted, so in the smb.conf file:

      ; encrypt passwords = false

      (note the semi colon).

      I used to run plaintext passwords with 10.3 for some reason. I think it was because 10.3 didn't like encrypted password exchange with Samba, but I may be mistaken (poor memory).
    • Updated to 10.4.1 and I still cannot access my lovely debian server from my tiger machine.

      Is Samba on the Debian box configured to support encrypted passwords?

      If not, either enable encrypted passwords (as per another reply - note that Microsoft changed Windows in Windows 98 [microsoft.com] and in NT 4.0 SP3 [microsoft.com] to, by default, reject attempts to connect to servers that don't support encrypted passwords), or configure OS X's SMB client to allow connections to servers that don't support encrypted passwords [apple.com].

  • Software Update mentions ATI and nVidia driver updates, but the Apple KB URL doesn't mention it at all (I was hoping for specific details... as in if Quartz 2D Extreme has been enabled.) ?
  • Stability Issues (Score:3, Interesting)

    by moosesocks ( 264553 ) on Monday May 16, 2005 @08:53PM (#12549913) Homepage
    I've experienced quite a few stability issues since upgrading to Tiger, all of which have required me to manually reboot. Hopefully this update will fix whatever that is.

    Additionally, Tiger occasionally turns off the function and volume keys on certain powerbooks. This has been confirmed by several users and does not appear to be fixed in the update.

  • Having over 8,000 mails via LyX or say over 10,000 mails for Cocoon developer/user list updating is much improved.
  • The gpgmail 1.1 bundle seems to have broken under 10.4.1. It was working nicely under 10.4.


    seems to have been renamed to:

    ~/Library/Mail/Bundles (Disabled)/

    A warning dialog box is displayed notifying you that the bundle is no longer supported the first time you start up Mail under 10.4.1
  • Well I thought they were supossed to fix the compatability between and the VPN cleints with this patch...I guess they forgot. I guess I will have to wait till the vendor gets time with apple to fix this issue (unable to even install CheckPoint secureClient with 10.4.x)
    • No, not quite... (Score:5, Insightful)

      by daveschroeder ( 516195 ) * on Monday May 16, 2005 @09:53PM (#12550314)
      "They" (Apple) weren't supposed to fix anything having to do with VPN clients in 10.4.1.

      Making VPN clients work with 10.4.x is completely up to the vendors, and all vendors have had all the information and everything they have fundamentally needed, from a developer standpoint, to make their clients work with Tiger since *last June*.

      There is absolutely no reason all of the VPN client vendors shouldn't have had their clients out on April 29 alongside Tiger. Any feigned surprise on their part, or finger pointing at Apple, is completely bullshit. Yes, Tiger changed how things work which "broke" the old clients. But they've also had almost a year to fix it.
    • Cisco released their updated VPN client May 12th. It still doesn't support multi-cpu systems but at least it works on 10.4...
  • Right on schedule... (Score:5, Informative)

    by jht ( 5006 ) on Monday May 16, 2005 @09:44PM (#12550255) Homepage Journal
    Since Tiger wend GM at the end of March, it's been a month and a half for bug fixing, with the last two-plus weeks of that period essentially the public beta of the OS.

    I've already installed it on my PowerBook, and after a few days' time I'll see if it's the update that makes it worth recommending for most of my clients to start their testing. Usually, it seems to take Apple a couple more point releases to really get the major kinks out, so I'm expecting Tiger to hit its stride around mid-summer.

    For those of you unfamiliar with Apple release cycles - expect to see a point release like this every 4-6 weeks initially, followed by a cutback to every couple of months later on. Security updates are typically released on a separate basis, about once per month, and will be available for Panther as well for the foreseeable future. Even 10.2 still gets some security fixes now and then. And there will be occasional updates to the iApps and other stuff that are done separately.

    There's also a few Safari bugs that snuck in late in the cycle that haven't been addressed yet - Safari is unchanged in 10.4.1.
    • There's also a few Safari bugs that snuck in late in the cycle that haven't been addressed yet

      A few Safari bugs, yes... also there's apparently something about syncing Address Book data with .Mac that was left unfixed. It was listed as a "Known Issue" when this build (8B15) was given to developers last week (I suppose it's fair game to comment on now that the release is public). I've never experienced the issue myself, but I was sort of expecting them to take a bit more time to fix it, and release build
  • by bitpart ( 711523 ) on Monday May 16, 2005 @09:53PM (#12550317)
    According to the Knowledge Base about the update [apple.com], all previously-installled third-party Mail.app plug-ins will not load. I assume that means that you just need to reinstall them.
    • Actually no, what you need to do are the following steps (I used them to re-enable GPGMail [sente.ch]):
      Quit Mail
      In Finder, rename folder $HOME/Library/Mail/Bundles (Disabled) back to $HOME/Library/Mail/Bundles.
      In Terminal, type:
      defaults write com.apple.mail EnableBundles 1
      defaults write com.apple.mail BundleCompatibilityVersion 2
      Relaunch Mail
  • by Anonymous Coward
    Even if you reinstall after the upgrade.

    I have a PowerBook 1.5GHz with 2GB RAM, and under 10.4 the internal drive and both firewire disks (one a FW400, the other a FW800) would spin perpetually, my load average went from the normal .4 or so, to an AVERAGE of 2, and the temperature inside the box was hovering at 140 degrees.

    All of this has been corrected in 10.4.1 (for me). Load average is back down to .2 to .4, the process table is still full of these:

    483 mdimport 0.0% 0:03.16 4 67 65 1
    • Even if you reinstall after the upgrade.

      Not here, no. Worked fine before 10.4.1, works fine after 10.4.1. However, you need to upgrade to v1.1 (v42, Tiger).


  • by pyrrhonist ( 701154 ) on Monday May 16, 2005 @10:19PM (#12550493)
    Just in case nobody else posts it, here's the obligatory performance increase post:
    I just installed this update, and wow! I don't know how to describe it, but my Mac just seems much snappier! It's amazing how Apple increases the performance of the OS with every release. Thanks Apple, you rule!
    • by Anonymous Coward

      But you know what? ... It is snappier!

      I'm actually not kidding. I was swapping pretty bad with 10.4.0 which was causing some real pain. So far, no swap.
  • For those of you who are curious, the build number after updating is 8B15. I didn't see this mentioned anywhere yet.
  • by dispensa ( 57441 ) on Monday May 16, 2005 @11:07PM (#12550809) Homepage
    that this makes their PowerBook 17" waaaaay faster?

    Yeah, me neither. :-)
  • Quartz 2D Extreme (Score:5, Informative)

    by Mr. Cancelled ( 572486 ) on Tuesday May 17, 2005 @12:29AM (#12551282)
    This update still did not enable Quartz 2D-Extreme on my system, so on a hunch, I enabled it manually, as per this hint [macosxhints.com], and wow... Really nice!

    I had temporarily enabled it under 10.4.0 via the debugging tool, but the speed difference was nowhere near what I'm getting after booting the entire OS with it enabled!

    A lot of people are reporting bugs with this being enabled, which is likely why Apple still hasn't enabled it by default. But I've had absolutely 0 bugs so far - Which to be honest has only been about 2.5 hours, but still... It's enough to at least justify trying it out IMHO. Using the hint I reference above, you ocan always "reset" it to off, if you do run into problems.

    For what it's worth, I'm going to be leaving this on unless some (any!) problems pop up tomorrow. It's very impressive! Even apps which I wouldn't think would be impacted, such as Remote Desktop (controlling an XP box from within OSX) are noticably faster.

    For the record, I'm running a dual 2Ghz w/2gb of ram, and an ATI 9600. Your mileage may vary.
    • Re:Quartz 2D Extreme (Score:5, Informative)

      by Yaztromo ( 655250 ) on Tuesday May 17, 2005 @02:35AM (#12551895) Homepage Journal
      This update still did not enable Quartz 2D-Extreme on my system, so on a hunch, I enabled it manually, as per this hint, and wow... Really nice!

      That hint enables Q2DX the hard way. The easier way is to open a terminal and paste in the following command:

      sudo defaults write /Library/Preferences/com.apple.windowserver Quartz2DExtremeEnabled 1



      • Why not just go to the control panel Spotlight search and type "Enable Quartz Extreme"?
        • Re:Quartz 2D Extreme (Score:3, Informative)

          by Yaztromo ( 655250 )
          Why not just go to the control panel Spotlight search and type "Enable Quartz Extreme"?


          1. Those search terms provide no results (at least over here on 10.4.1), and
          2. There is a difference between Quartz Extreme and Quartz 2D Extreme


      • 10.4.1 seemed to enable it on my machine, by default. I checked Quartz Debug and it's enabled by default; this wasn't the case with 10.4.
  • New mail 2.01 removes the new 10.4 compatible GPGMail.mailbundle. I guess they can't tell the difference between the Panter and Tiger Version. Therefore I loose easy gpg. ..lj
  • by Anonymous Coward
    when i am composing a mail message and i have the spell check set to check as i type the misspelled words are underlined in red. when i control click on one of the words to correct it the underlining is removed from all the misspelled words, giving the false impression that they are correctly spelled.
  • For the curious... (Score:2, Informative)

    by mithran8 ( 186371 )
    The 10.4.1 Update changes approximately 500 file system objects, not counting files modified only by prebinding.

    The summary:

    476 changes
    16 additions
    0 removals

    Detailed list of modifications is available here [macguru.net].

    For reference - these changes were captured by the OpenSource build of Tripwire, patched for Mac OS X. It's pretty likely that any changes captured on your system will differ in a few ways, but the basic theme should be consistent.

  • by dmarcoot ( 96402 ) on Tuesday May 17, 2005 @04:09AM (#12552223) Journal
    Spotlight re-indexes the system HD. that was a unexpected and gave me reason to go to gym while it finished. I hope future updates dont suffer the same performance hit.

  • by Anonymous Coward
    Too bad that I still can't send mail over IPv6 with Mail 2.0.1, like I could with the Panther version of Mail.

    (The reason is that Mail inserts some random characters in the domain name in the EHLO line when the connection is over IPv6.)
  • It wasn't on the list of bugs fixed as far as I can tell, but it now appears that you can make and save annotations on a PDF document using Preview.

    This is really great, but, of course, when I really needed this was right after Tiger came out when I was grading a bunch of undergrad papers, and could have done it all electronically...

    I know it will never happen, but it would be nice to see some more bugzilla like representation of current issues with more applications. I also think that the "bug" (repor

  • Is anyone having issues sshing to 10.4.0?
    Mine takes about a minute to authenticate, but once it does it works fine. 10.3.x worked just fine.
    Anyone else?
  • ...for those people whose "Software Update" doesn't work. I'm lucky I'm not one of them.
  • What Apple should do, in my opinion, is make a complete re-write of the Finder. The Finder is, in my opinion, the worst piece of Mac OS.

    I read somewhere that Apple wrote the Finder in Carbon, just to prove to other companies that they could easily port their software to OS X, so that developers would quickly embrace the new OS. Fortunately, this is no longer necessary, because nobody makes software for 9.x anymore. So the Finder should be rewritten from scratch to take advantage of advances in the OS since

!07/11 PDP a ni deppart m'I !pleH