Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger to Arrive in April

Silly Burrito writes "Think Secret is reporting that Tiger will be out in April with an event on April 1st and it should be out in stores by April 15th. If this is true, I can finally get both the Mini and a new Powerbook, as I've been waiting for Tiger to be released before I do so. Let's just hope that this isn't a bad April Fools Joke!"

Not a joke

[unixmaster]

Safari team is getting ready for a new Webcore release too. So Safari 2.0 is near that means Tiger is coming soon.

The question is:

[tabkey12]

Will it be backported to Panther? You didn't hear Microsoft not updating Internet Explorer for Windows 2000 just because Windows XP had come out...

This is from someone typing on an Apple PowerBook btw - I do like Apple's products, but not always the company's actions.

Re:The question is:

[bunratty]

Actually, the latest version of IE is not available for Windows 2000. You need Windows XP to get the pop-up blocker and other enhancements.

Re:The question is:

[Matrix9180]

So do you think Apple should stop updating it's core APIs and making stuff better/easier to use for it's developers, or just start back-porting all new stuff to old OSes just so that mr I installed 10.1 and think it rocks can quit bitching about not being able to use Safari?
Apple is already slowing down their releases. Tiger is taking about 18 months where Panther was what? 12?

Re:The question is:

[NutscrapeSucks]

It's not in Apple's interest to have old, buggy versions of Safari out there. They already have trouble getting people to support them for complex webapps (examples: Google Maps, gmail). Having multiple versions just compounds the testing and support costs for a small userbase.

And 18 months is still a very short cycle for corporate deployments (where they love Windows 2000 from 5 years ago), but that's probably not that important for Apple.

Re:The question is:

[NutscrapeSucks]

I don't see how that contradicts my point at all -- Safari is still treated as second tier, due to missing functionailty. As Apple gets Safari up to speed with all the doodads in Mozilla and IE, it's critical that they move the entire userbase.

Re:The question is:

[jaavaaguru]

Pop-ups, spyware, viruses, activeX, tight OS integration, lack of support for web standards, the netcraft and google toolbars.

But Safari has the most important bit of Google nicely integrated, so we don't mind so much that it doesn't have the roolbar.

Re:The question is:

[mehgul]

Apple has a habit of providing security updates (among them the ones related to web browsing) both for Panther and Jaguar. Your post is misleading. And the latest iTunes is available for OX 10.1.5 onwards.

And for the OS updates not being worth the price, this is your own opinion. A lot of people have the opposite.

Re:The question is:

[NutscrapeSucks]

One issue with the security updates is that Apple has not made it clear how long the official support window is. The updates to 10.1 just stopped one day.

With 10.4 coming out, it's not clear if Apple will want to EOL 10.2, even though there's apparently a substantial userbase still on it. My hope is that Apple makes a formal statement saying how long 10.2 users can expect to recieve security patches.

Re:The question is:

[amichalo]

One issue with the security updates is that Apple has not made it clear how long the official support window is. The updates to 10.1 just stopped one day.

With 10.4 coming out, it's not clear if Apple will want to EOL 10.2

I was lunching with Steve the other day and this very issue came up. I asked if he expected upgrades at the same rate from 10.0 (beta) to 10.4 as he does 10.4 forward.

Steve told me "no", that the upgrade cycle from OS X beta through 10.1 was so fast because there was so much to be done

Re:The question is:

[Mspangler]

"With 10.4 coming out, it's not clear if Apple will want to EOL 10.2, even though there's apparently a substantial userbase still on it."

I'm still using 10.2.8, for instance. Support for the 10.1 series did just sort of stop, but every machine that could run 10.1 could also run 10.2. However, not every machine that could run 10.2 could also run 10.3. Support for the Beige G3's was dropped when 10.3 came out. (Probably some laptops were in this boat as well, but I don't pay attention to them.)

I suspect tha

Re:The question is:

[Myuu]

From the Tiger readme:
"System requirements
You must have a Macintosh computer with
a PowerPC G3, G4, or G5 processor
a DVD drive
built-in FireWire
at least 128 MB of RAM
a built-in display or a display connected to an Apple-supplied video card supported
by your computer
at least 2 GB of disk space available, or 3.5 GB if you install the developer tools"

Built in firewire seems to be the key.

Re:The question is:

[BasilBrush]

It entirely depends on whether new versions of applications use new APIs that didn't exist in older versions of the OS. The same is true whether the application is an Apple one or a 3rd party one.

I got my Mac with Jaguar, and found that the Panther upgrade was worthwhile. Unlike with Windows, the OS X update resulted in a faster machine.

Re:The question is:

[milkman_matt]

I got my Mac with Jaguar, and found that the Panther upgrade was worthwhile. Unlike with Windows, the OS X update resulted in a faster machine.

Another good point, for a few years using OS X I was running it on a G3/400 powerbook. Now I don't think I have to tell you, that 10.0 was ... slow, to say the least. But with every OS update, and every release update, it got faster and faster, by 10.2 it was actually VERY usably fast, and this was on a 4 or 5 year old system. I always desperately awaited updates, because I knew my system was going to become faster.

Re:The question is:

[BasilBrush]

Which is of course nonsense. Minimum requirements for NT 3.1 was a 486/33 with 8MB memory. For XP it's a Pentium 233 64MB of memory. Both computers with those minimum spec machines will be equally crap. If you tried installing NT 3.1 on a modern machine, it would appear like greased lightning compared with XP.

Windows does not get faster and more efficient with each version as OS X does.

Re:The question is:

[BasilBrush]

It's better than writing an inefficient OS and then charging people for ever slower versions, like Microsoft.

Re:The question is:

[BasilBrush]

Like the other poster, I have an old G3 PowerBook and on that machine, MacOS X 10.3 is "painfully slow and bloated", but not as slow and bloated as 10.0 was. OTOH, both 10.3 and NT4 ran fine on new machines when they came out.

In other words, OS X got faster on the same machine, but you needed a new machine to upgrade windows.

OS X deliberately uses as much memory as possible because it's more efficient to do so. You've heard of the concept of a cache? "Unused memory" is a waste of a resource that can b

Re:The question is:

[legirons]

"when MS 'upgrades' something it costs twice as much, has almost no new functionality, and is usually less secure.consider the upgrade price for Windows XP and imo the only thing worth having was the bluetooth support."

What do you mean? WindowsXP came with blue titlebars, a totally reorganised control panel, and a handy program to read zip files. Totally worth £150, everyone should buy it!

Re:The question is:

[Anonymous Coward]

ME already had that.

I already had that.

/grammar pedant

Re:The question is:

[Anonymous Coward]

That's perfectly acceptable caveman dialect. Damn US-Centric posters.

Re:The question is:

[Glonk]

consider the upgrade price for Windows XP

Have I missed something?

$93.99 for an XP Home upgrade: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000 2423YK/qid=1110650156/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/103-9649 965-7565415?v=glance&s=software&n=507846

$114.99 for MacOS X 10.3:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail /-/B000 0E6NK9/ref=pd_ts_c_th_1/103-9649965-7565415?v=glan ce&s=software&n=229652

Re:The question is:

[multiOSfreak]

Have I missed something?

Yes. OS X point releases are not just upgrade versions. They are also standalone, full-install products that do not require previous installs. This comes in handy when you want to reformat a drive or if you buy a used Mac and want to wipe it clean and start over.

In other words, 10.3 does not require 10.2 to be installed in order to "upgrade."

For a fair comparison, you should look at the cost of the full version of XP Pro vs. the cost of the latest OS X. That would be $147.95 (Ne

Re:The question is:

[Glonk]

The parent was talking about the price to upgrade.

I really don't think "for a fair comparison" you should look at the non-upgrade packages.

If you're looking at the price to upgrade, you can get an XP upgrade. You need to buy the full-out version of OS X every time.

Re:The question is:

[Chemical]

Windows upgrade editions do not require Windows to be installed in order to install them. You can install XP Upgrade on a fresh system. The only catch is that it will ask you to insert an install disk for a previous version of Windows to prove that you are elegible for an "upgrade".

Re:The question is:

[PaxTech]

In all fairness, you should be comparing OS X to Windows XP Pro, not Home. OS X 10.3 is what you get on the most powerful workstation Apple makes, so it should be compared pricewise to the most powerful workstation Windows OS, not the stripped down toy "Home" version Microsoft sells.

Win XP Pro Upgrade is currently $179.99 at Amazon.

Re:The question is:

[JHromadka]

There is no upgrade version of 10.3. It's the full version. The only upgrade was for users that purchased a new machine after Panther hit gold master, and they got it for $20.

XP Home full version is $116.99: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00 0 05MOTF/qid=1110654316/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/102-4908 955-6674502?v=glance&s=electronics&n=507846

XP Pro (which I think is a better comparison for OS X) full is $269.99: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00022PTI4/ qid=1110654429/sr=2

Re:Not a joke

[lintux]

If you mean Safari 2.0 will be in Tiger, that sounds unlikely to me. If they want to release in less than a month, I'd be very surprised if they wouldn't have the gold CD images ready already.

Shhhhhhh

[LiquidCoooled]

You don't wanna get sued for posting trade secrets.

Re:Shhhhhhh

[node 3]

You don't wanna get sued for posting trade secrets.

I don't think there's much to worry about on this one. The defense attorney will just have to giggle uncontrollably every time the prosecutor makes his case against, "Silly Burrito".

Prosecution: "Your honor, we plan to show that one 'Silly Burrito' poste--"

Defense: <giggling>

Prosecution: "Your honor! This an outrage, please do something!"

Judge: "The defense will restrain from laughing."

Defense: "Your honor, he's prosecuting a burrito, a *si

Re:Shhhhhhh

[MatthewRothenberg]

... And assuming the imminent release date of a pending OS upgrade is really a trade secret, which seems ludicrous.

Matthew Rothenberg
Executive editor
Ziff Davis Internet

Re:Shhhhhhh

[Leo McGarry]

That's pretty irresponsible, don't you think? You, as a professional journalist, are an opinion-maker. You're essentially dismissing Apple's case in the court of public opinion based on grounds that would never stand up in an actual court.

Re:Mr Rothenberg didn't mention. . .

[MatthewRothenberg]

Dear Mr./Ms. Coward: Perhaps it's my own hubris to assume that I'm not unknown to readers who follow the Mac market -- and who know that I've made no secret of my work with Nick Ciarelli.

In point of fact, I've written a couple of essays [ziffdavis.com] that discuss my work with Nick over the years -- it's hardly a fact I've tried to conceal.

Quite the contrary: I'm proud to "disclose" this relationship. I wish that at age 19, I'd had half Nick's savvy, and I'm confident he'll do great things with his career.

And FTR (i

Fact???

[Anonymous Coward]

Why is this being taken as fact? Do the editors believe Think Secret to be a reputable news source that knows the exact release date for a given product? Has this information been confirmed by the vendor itself?

No. It's a rumor. Don't state it as fact - it pisses me off. The headline is not just misleading, it could be entirely misinformation.

Remove head from ass, then post.

/. QA

[BibelBiber]

I miss that Slashdot quality assurance thing that used to be. I mean editors seem to publish more and more unuseful things over the time. I think /. readers should not need to read all those rumors. There is enough ThinkSecret, AppleInsider and so on to look for this kind of information. What's wrong here anyway? BTW, thanks for modding me down. I am actually a Mac user and I love both, Mac and /. I just don't like recent steps taken by both.

Thanks for reading. You can now turn off your computer.

Re:Fact???

[carlfish]

This being the same ThinkSecret that reported as fact that the iPod mini was going to be updated with a colour screen [thinksecret.com] on February 24th?

Or that the flash-based iPod would feature a screen that was as wide as the iPod mini, but a few lines shorter [thinksecret.com].

Or that a 2Gb iPod mini would cost around US$100 [thinksecret.com].

And a lot more can be found perusing the archives.

Mostly, ThinkSecret gets its reputation from confirmation bias. You remember the hits more significantly than the misses, so it feels far more accurate than it really is. In fact, while they're good at reporting rumours that everyone else knows - like the fact the mini was in the works - or things that can be easily verified - like the contents of the latest Tiger developer seed, or the obvious conclusion from Apple buying up heaps of flash memory - their exclusive scoops from "insider sources" are very hit and miss.

Re:Fact???

[carlfish]

So the site isn't actually divulging Apple secrets at all! Case dismissed

I said "hit and miss", which implies the occasional hit. And that's part of the problem. The times Think Secret do get some legitimate insider information (like the full specs of the Mac Mini) adds an undeserved weight to the rest of the time when he's just pissing in the wind (or reporting someone else's wind-pissing).

So you end up with situations like the iPod Mini, which got a lot of bad press on its release thanks to the Thin

Re:Fact???

[kalidasa]

Am I the only one who has a hard time understanding how California law has jurisdiction over a publication that is published in Massachusetts? What if ThinkSecret was published in France - would the CA UTSA still have force?

Re:Fact???

[Leo McGarry]

You think that because of this report, someone will be able to imitate the features of Tiger -- which have already been announced by the company itself -- between today and April 1? Come on!

No, I don't. But that's not the criterion by which we judge. Read on.

Apple jealously guards everything pertaining to the company and its products. That doesn't make everything a trade secret.

Actually, in California, it kinda does. The Uniform Trade Secrets Act, 3426.1, defines a trade secret as any information that has economic value and that the company acts to protect. The release date of an upcoming product clearly has economic value. You don't even have to argue that. Just look around this Web page and see how many people are saying that they've been planning to make a purchase but that, on the strength of this rumor, they would wait for Tiger's release. Any time anybody wants a product today but decides to wait until tomorrow to buy it, the company loses just a little bit of money. A few bucks. Multiply that by thousands of people and a month or more and suddenly it's a significant deal. Clearly the premature announcement of a release date has significant economic impact on Apple's bottom line.

So yeah. Under California law, it's a trade secret. Cut-and-dried, open-and-shut.

free upgrades

[b17bmbr]

apple would offer the free upgrade if you bought a PB within a month of tiger coming out. they're pretty good about that. though i'm still waiting for the g5 PB's.

Re:free upgrades

[antifoidulus]

Only if you buy it after the OFFICIAL announcement from Apple, and even then, "free" is $19(or at least it was last time)

Re:free upgrades

[b17bmbr]

the difference is that apple actually wants their laptops to look good. the P4 laptops look like somebody stole the dashboard out of a cadilac and glued on an LCD.

Coincidence?

[rob_squared]

That it's mentioned on on april fools, and released on tax day?

ITConversations.com interviews Tiger developer

[DoctoRoR]

I think Tiger might tip me to the Apple side again, after being a Win 95/98/NT/XP user for a while. ITConversations.com ran an interview with the senior product line manager [itconversations.com]. There's no video, but it was interesting to hear him walk through the new features.

Getting slower, contents

[Anonymous Coward]

Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger to arrive in April

By Ryan Katz, Senior Editor

March 11, 2005 - Apple will officially announce Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger's release at an event in early April and will begin shipping the operating system within two or three weeks afterwards, Think Secret has learned. Apple has previously only stated that Tiger will ship during the first half of the 2005.

The event, sources say, is currently scheduled for Friday, April 1 and will be delivered via satellite to numerous locations around the world. Unknown at this point is where the event will take place and whether the media or other outsiders will be invited to attend. Well placed sources say Tiger will likely be in stores by April 15.

Multiple pieces of information gleaned from sources in recent weeks have pointed to an April release date for Tiger. Apple has doubled the software metrics for stores and resellers for the second quarter, ending May 31, for example. While several new software titles slated for release at NAB on April 18 will boost software revenue for stores, Tiger will be the jewel that Apple expects will allow resellers to double their sales from the first quarter.

At least one of Apple's new pro apps the company will introduce at NAB will also require Tiger, sources say. Additionally, Apple is currently targeting updates to its iMac G5 and eMac systems for mid-April, which will come pre-installed with Tiger and iLife '05 (see related story).

In recent weeks, Apple has significantly increased the frequency of Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger builds released to developers, another indication that development is rapidly wrapping up. Earlier this week, a gaffe on Apple's Mac OS X downloads page also listed three new categories pertaining to Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger: links to "Automater Actions," "Dashboard Widgets," and "Spotlight Plugins" all lead to pages that were not yet available at apple.com. Apple has since removed those links from the categories listing.

Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger will sell for $129 and has been billed as the most substantial upgrade to Mac OS X since the operating system debuted.

QuickTime 7 will also be released with Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger, sources say. A Mac OS X 10.3-compatible version, code-named Gibson, will be released around the same time.

Re:Getting slower, contents

[buckhead_buddy]

Once again, they are just using rumors to support their own speculations.

• Apple's new fiscal year starts on April 1st, and if they are expecting to announce a great financial report they will likely have a satellite conference call. They typically go out of their way to avoid making new product announcements to the cynical accounting journalists who participate in Apple's "beleaguered" conference calls.
• If Apple is going to make even a June 30 release date they will start pushing plans hard in advance to m

April 1st

[AnotherJake]

April 1st is the beginning of Apple's fiscal year, so that wouldn't be a surprising release date.

C+++++

[computerme]

For ($obvious == 0; $obvious $adnaseum; $obvious++) {

printLine "April 1st? Is this some sort of April Fools joke?";
printLine "Released on April 15th. Apple is going to release it on Tax day?";

}

What's in Tiger

[Twid]

FYI, the Tiger pages at Apple have been updated recently.
Here's a nice tour of the features. [apple.com]

In my opinion, most of the new features in Tiger are more developer-friendly than end-user-friendly, but that's OK, because I think you're going to see some incredible apps come out that use Core Image, Core Video, and Spotlight. Those apps should be what make you want Tiger, not Tiger itself. Out of all the new stuff in Tiger I think the new Mail.app [apple.com] is the best. People spend their work day in e-mail, and the new mail.app looks incredible.

Don't forget Tiger Server [apple.com]. It's a really nice update. New ACL system, 64-bit native, iChat Server (using Jabber), weblog server, and a new software update server. The most interesting feature to me is the new Portable Home Directories. Mac OS X clients will be able to have a home directory on their laptop, and it will trickle sync the home directory with the network when you are connected to your office server.

Personally, I don't believe the ThinkSecret rumor for a second. Apple is *way* too marketing savvy to release a product on April Fool's Day. Also, April 1 is a Friday. Apple almost always announces products on Tuesday. :)

- Todd

Re:What's in Tiger

[andy55]

Personally, I don't believe the ThinkSecret rumor for a second. Apple is *way* too marketing savvy to release a product on April Fool's Day. Also, April 1 is a Friday. Apple almost always announces products on Tuesday. :)

Yep. I'm on the Rendezvous dev apple list serv and I know first hand that the apple dev who moderates it (Marc something) said they won't license the windows version of it (dnssd.dll) to windows developers until Tiger is released (for legal licensing and/or ip reasons). The apple gu

Re:What's in Tiger

[bug_hunter]

They should of because nobody at my work believed it. Took about one week before people realised it was serious.

Dear Tiger Fans

[Letter]

Dear Tiger Fans,

I've seen the preview release of Tiger...
It's grrrrrrrrrrreat!

Letter

Re:Dear Tiger Fans

[Tumbleweed]

Yeah, but does it stay crunchy in milk?

applerumors.slashdot.org ?

[Udo Schmitz]

What is this? First Think Secret is reffered to as a blog (Is every site with more then on article per month considered a blog these days?) now some stupid ass rumor of theirs is handled as fact?

To me it seems that these are tries to build sympathy for Nick Ciarelli. To put him in a light where he is seen as a fellow blogger/journalist. And thereby making Apples efforts to look like an attack on constitutional rights. If /. is willing to post any Apple related rumor now, I have a dozen stories ready for submission here.
</rant>

I've been running it for a couple of months

[SSpade]

Pre-release versions for developers have been out for a while. I'm using the current one on my desktop machine and it seems stable and pretty much production-ready.

Spotlight and Dashboard are both very neat, but the biggest improvement (or at least the stuff I miss when I'm on my 10.3 laptop) is the new Safari build. Apart from the (really nice) integrated RSS reader the changes aren't that major, but it's a more pleasant app to use.

Re:I've been running it for a couple of months

[SSpade]

I haven't measured it (and wouldn't want to release any numbers if I had, as it's just not fair to benchmark a pre-release build of anything, let alone an OS). But it seems very responsive for everything I do with it (and it's running on a not terribly fast iLamp), but Panther was also pretty snappy on the same hardware.

I suspect there'll be some amount of performance improvement, as the pre-release of Tiger 'feels' as fast as the production release of Panther, yet is bound to have been built with a lot o

Is anyone else vaguely concerned

[Nine Tenths of The W]

That Apple's OS updates follow the same naming conventions as Wehrmacht tanks? If 10.5 is called Maus then we're going to be in trouble.

Can a Mini handle Tiger's graphics?

[doormat]

Will that Radeon 9200 32MB video be able to handle the GPU-intense graphics of OSX 10.4. I'm hoping some sites will take a look at that question when tiger is available.

Re:Can a Mini handle Tiger's graphics?

[thatguywhoiam]

will you be able to disble the advanced features to lighten the load on the CPU? or am I going to have to load linux on mac mini?

Yes, in fact it auto-disables itself. If you don't have the extra GPU, it all gets rendered by the CPU, which just skips frames when it is short on cycles. So you are never unable to do something, it just looks less fancy.

Better watch his a$$..

[jpellino]

He's using very specific code names in his hardware prediction on the front page.
Apple has been known to use several code names for the same piece of hardware, giving different names to different labs, testers, etc.
One advantage of such a strategy is that if anything leaks, you can narrow down the source.
I can imagine the same can be done with dates.
This kid HAS figured out that if he loses the original case, they'll be back with both barrels on every subsequent leak, right?

Re:Lawsuits over then?

[justforaday]

If by "revealed details about Tiger prematurely" you really mean "distributed prerelease copies over the internet" then I'd say no...

Re:Lawsuits over then?

[NtroP]

OK, maybe I'm really missing something here.

I thought ThinkSecret was getting "sued" to get the names of the person(s) who gave them the secrets. Everyone is making is sound like Apple is asking ThinkSecret to shut down, pay millions, or some other onerous thing. This is not the case. Apple asked ThinkSecret for a name. ThinkSecret said "No". Apple then asked the court to compell ThinkSecret to give them the name. After careful consideration of the case the court said "yes". NOW, if ThinkSecret STILL refuses, the court might impose a penalty, such as fines or jail time.

Apple wants the name(s) of those who violated the law and broke their NDA (so they can go after them for actual damages, etc.). The courts ruled (this is my translation/interpretation) that ThinkSecret IS/ARE journalists. However, even journalists don't have the right to withhold the identity of a source who has violated the law by giving the journalist the information in the first place. The idea that journalists can protect their sources is a good one, because is allows them to break stories about "public interest" (not "things that interest the public" - there's a difference). Things like whistle-blowing (which, although might really piss off the company, is NOT illegal to do).

If ThinkSecret had instead run a "leaked" story that MacMini's were produced by indentured 6-year-olds and were made of Soilent Green, they would NOT have been ordered to give up their sources. NDA's do not cover releasing information about violations of the law or dangers to the public. They DO cover releasing information that is a trade secret or other proprietary information that you have signed a contract to NOT give out.

Journalists, like ThinkSecret, do NOT have carte-blanch for releasing any information they want and STILL protecting their sources. I don't even think the court has said that ThinkSecret was wrong to release the information they did. They just know now that they can't LEGALY protect their sources in these type of situations. Does this make it harder to get "credible" information in the future? You bet. That sucks for them. Their sources will have to give them information REALLY anonymously and ThinkSecret will have to guess which ones are real/likely, with the rest of us. Their free-ride is over.

Re:Lawsuits over then?

[Leo McGarry]

Read this blog post [shapeofdays.com] which I linked from another story last night. The author does a good job of walking you through exactly what Apple is claiming, including providing a copy of the complaint itself.

Long story short: Apple says that Ciarelli offered anonymity in exchange for trade secrets. In California, offering something in exchange for somebody breaking a contract is called tortious interference. Second, Apple says that Ciarelli knowingly published trade secrets. In California, it's against the law to do that, under the Uniform Trade Secrets Act.

So yeah, Think Secret is probably going to have to shut down or pay millions or some other onerous thing because Ciarelli broke the law.

You're only thinking about one small part of the dispute, the subpoenas for the names of the leakers.

Re:grrrrrrreat

[Anonymous Coward]

Apart from Tony the Tiger is an *American* character, you moron.

Re:DVD only?

[tabkey12]

1) Apple is almost certainly going to ship a CD edition of Tiger. The DVD edition was only for the Developer's Preview.
2. All Macs after iMac Slot-Loader can boot from FireWire Optical Drives.
3. Even better, FireWire Macs can access the optical drive of another Mac when the slave Mac is booted into FireWire Target Disk mode, removing the need for an external DVD drive!

Re:DVD only?

[ps_inkling]

At least mention how to use Target Disk mode...

Restart your Macintosh

While the Macintosh makes the pleasant startup sound, press and hold the 'T' key on your Macintosh's keyboard

As you wait approximately 20 seconds for Target Disk mode to begin, imagine the profitability of the third step

When the pretty day-glow orange FireWire logo appears on your Target Disk Macintosh's screen, release the 'T' key

Connect your Target Disk Macintosh's FireWire port to another Macintosh's FireWire port using a standard FireWire cable

Watch as the drive(s) of the Target Disk Macintosh appear on the screen of the other Macintosh in bright day-glow orange

Copy files previously unaccessable on the Target Disk Macintosh to a safe location

With Target Disk mode, it's easy to make backup copies of critical files for offsite storage.

Re:DVD only?

[justforaday]

While you're at it, you may as well mention how to boot one machine off the hard drive in another...

After one machine is booted in target disk mode, connect the firewire cable and restart the other machine while holding down the F key. Handy way of using your crappy iBook's home directory in a computer lab that has nice G4s or G5s.

Hi!

[Anonymous Coward]

It looks like you're voicing a dissenting opinion.
What would you like to do?
* Go to your nearest LUG meeting for reprogramming.
* Buy a large number of Apple stocks in atonement.
* Get bitchslapped.
* Get modded up now as Interesting and modded down later as Troll.

Re:Hang on...

[throughthewire]

using trade secret law to trump the free speech rights of independent journalists...

Why should free speech trump the rights of an individual or a company to use a contract to keep information private?

Re:Hang on...

[Speare]

Trade secrets are things that are meant to remain secret indefinitely, so as to enjoy a form of protection that is longer-lived than patents. To call product specifications which are released a few weeks or months before they're posted on Apple.com makes a mockery of trade secret protection law.

Re:Hang on...

[throughthewire]

To call product specifications which are released a few weeks or months before they're posted on Apple.com makes a mockery of trade secret protection law.

I didn't say 'trade secret protection laws.' I said 'contract' - as in NDA.

If it's okay to violate an NDA, as long as you do it by telling a reporter what you know, then just what exactly is an NDA for, in your opinion?

Re:Hang on...

[Speare]

The NDA contract is between Apple and a second party. Typically, one does not sue or subpoena a third party when the second party is known to breach contract. If the second party is not known, then this is all a fishing expedition or a SLAPP, both of which should be thrown out of court with malice.

Re:Hang on...

[rsborg]

GP: Because free speach is the very basis of democracy and the rule of law?

Actually, no. While we hold those rights very high in the United States, the basis of democracy and capitalism is property rights.

Dude, you are getting your political and economics mixed up. Democracy != Capitalism. Many countries in Europe are, for example, Socialist Democracies. You are correct in saying that property rights form the fundamental basis for capitalism, but not for democracy.

On the other hand, the GP poster isn't

Re:Hang on...

[istewart]

Actually, no. The "rule of law" is based on guns. Lots of guns.

Re:Hang on...

[Slack3r78]

Or maybe some of us are able to be somewhat rational? Personally, if Microsoft had been in Apple's shoes, I'd have felt the same way about the ThinkSecret case, and I'm anything but a Microsoft appologist (IE: I firmly believe the DoJ should have broken up the company).

The Apple vs Does case is more about reaffirming trade secret law that's already on the books and has already been affirmed by the courts many, many times. So no, I don't really see it as a 'victory against journalism.' No one is facing penalties for what they've printed at this point - and this isn't exactly a whistle blower case that deserves special privelege. But feel free to check my comment history on the subject - I've been consistent in my viewpoint and after reading the judge's opinion yesterday, I seem to have had it about pegged.

On topic, Tiger's looking to be a rather interesting release. Apple's putting metadata to good use with Spotlight, and I'm interested to see how Dashboard's ended up looking. The real story, I think, may end up being the behind the scenes part of the OS - CoreImage. It truly opens the door for a first-party Apple Photoshop killer, if Adobe refuses to adopt the interface. Remember iMovie and FCP are only really around because Adobe declined to make a good consumer oriented video editing system, so Apple did it themselves. Could we be seeing this happen again?

Re:Hang on...

[zieroh]

so many loyal slashdotters were welcoming Apple's victory against journalism?

If you had actually read any of the articles or bothered to spend 10 minutes informing yourself on the topic, you would realize that in fact Apple had not scored a "victory against journalism", but instead had won the right to subpeona records in order to determine how information was illegally obtained.

The judge stated, quite rationally, that it didn't matter if the bloggers at the center of the case were journalists or not, for even journalists lack the right to publish trade secrets that do not benefit the public interest. More to the point, the judge stated that interest by the public is not the same as public interest.

So if you want to go on being misinformed, then please be my guest and don't read the articles. But at least have the decency to do so quietly and not spread FUD around the internets.

Whee, check out the troll who got modded up!

[Paradox]

Apple... um... didn't win against journalism. Hell, the fact that bloggers are or are not journalists didn't even enter the equation there. The Judge left that to Daily Show skits and CNN talking heads.

Heck, Apple didn't even really try and stop Nick from posting Apple-related news. What they did do is compel him to reveal his sources, which were illegally sharing Trade Secrets.

This was pretty clear from, you know, the fucking artciles linked of the thread you posted.

Crawl back in your hole.

Re:Hang on...

[nick this]

I was going to say "you must be new here" until I noticed your uid. :)

I sometimes think the same thing, but then I realize that the people who comment on stuff in general are those with strong opinions either way.

So when I see people bitching about a gpl violation, and in the next article see people advocating downloading music from p2p sites, I guess I just assume that they are different people. I guess I don't try to assume that every reader shares the values of "the collective".

I do find it interesti

Re:Hang on...

[ky11x]

The free speech rights of journalists are not trampled upon. There is NO constitutional right for journalists to keep the names of their sources secret. Some states have laws that protect this right, but there is neither a federal constitutional right nor a common law privilege. The state laws are not absolute privileges either -- in the California case, the judge ruled that California's shield law does not cover the type of reporting done by the fan sites.

From the ruling: "Unlike the whistleblower who discloses a health, safety or welfare hazard affecting all, or the government employee who reveals mismanagement or worse by our public officials, (the enthusiast sites) are doing nothing more than feeding the public's insatiable desire for information."

This seems to be lost in all the hysteria over Apple's suit. Apple is NOT suing ThinkSecret for damages. They are suing ThinkSecret only to get the names of the people who did reveal trade secrets. Those people broke their NDAs and Apple wants to go after them for breach of contract. There is, of course, no "free speech" right to break a contract in which you agreed not to reveal those secrets. Apple's target is those people, and that's what the law suit is about.

Now, since ThinkSecret is refusing to reveal the names of those sources, and since there's no privilege to keep those names secret, it is in contempt of court. This is a fundamental aspect of our justice system, that the litigants are entitled to "everyman's evidence." You definitely want this. Think about it. If you were in an accident and none of the witnesses want to testify, where does that leave you? You can subpoena them to testify in court and reveal what they know, and if they refuse, they can be held in contempt of court. This is exactly analogous.

Don't let the label "journalist" fool you. We are all journalists -- we post on a blog and we report what we see and what we think. If you are going to give "journalists" a right to keep quiet about evidence, then everyone would have this right, and our system would not function. The First Amendment emphatically does not allow you to keep silent in court unless you have an applicable privilege.

Re:OS10.4 Upgrade for new Macs

[Anonymous Coward]

usually once it is "officially anounced" any new system purchase will be able to obtain the new os for the cost of media (I think $20).

Re:OS10.4 Upgrade for new Macs

[TheCrazyFinn]

It's generally $20 to cover shipping costs. Some Mac dealers will get stock specifically for these upgrades, so you can get it for free occasionally.

Re:Don't buy Apple

[computerme]

oh please. some dude with a blog spouting off what his cat did today does not a journalist make....

nick at think secret is a rumor monger. not a jounralist.

please don't lump this case in the same class as the Pentagon Papers. You perform a diservice to real journalists and all our rights when you do..

Re:Don't buy Apple

[aventius]

If you ran a company where another organization was bribing your employees to release corporate confidential information, you'd be pissed too. Now obviously, blame needs to be lie on the employees that released the information. So, Apple asked and then demanded that the journalists release the names of the employees but they wouldn't.

Sure journalists should have a right to keep their sources secret but don't companies also have a right to have trade secrets? So, why should journalists be permitted to h

Re:Why does Slashdot promote OSX so much?

[repetty]

>> OSX isn't a "free" (as in speech) operating system. It may
>> be based on a Unix-like foundation, but thats on excuse.
>> We should be promoting Free software, not closed.

Why? What makes you believe all this rubbish?

Perhaps you have Slashdot confused with some other web site.

My bet is that you used a commercial for-profit ISP to connect to Slashdot in the first place, utilizing hardware that was manufactured by companies who's products also aren't "free" (as in speech).

My guess is that the doctor who snatched you from your mother's womb was, likewise, not "free" (as in speech).

Quit being silly.

Re:Why does Slashdot promote OSX so much?

[Tsugumi]

My guess is that the doctor who snatched you from your mother's womb was, likewise, not "free" (as in speech).

Well, you were making a good point up till here. In my country, doctors are free (as in beer) to the person requiring treatment through taxation. More importantly, medical knowledge *is* free (as in speech). Can you imagine a situation where it wasn't?? Where a doctor would hold on to his/her knowledge to give themselves a competitive advantage? Not only would patients suffer, through the concentration of this knowledge, but the doctor would suffer as his/her ideas would not advance through the contribution of their peers.

Scientific knowledge needs to be free.

Re:Why does Slashdot promote OSX so much?

[stebe]

Slashdot bills itself as "News For Nerds. Stuff That Matters." Clearly the latest release of OS X matters to the nerds.
The delicious irony a *free* software advocate telling others what they *should* do is making me hungry....

Re:Why does Slashdot promote OSX so much?

[Moofie]

Who is this "we"? Some of us don't have any issue at all with proprietary software, particularly when that software is superior to other alternatives. In my opinion, that's the case with OSX. Nothing else compares.

G5 PowerBook unlikely

[jamrock]

IBM is still having serious problems with heat dissipation, so unless they produce a throttled-back chip, the G5 is unlikely to make its way into portables anytime soon. The consensus among Apple watchers is that dual-core G4's from Freescale (formerly Motorola's processor division) are likelier candidates for portable Macs.

Re:April?

[node 3]

>>Let's just hope that this isn't a bad April Fools Joke!
>
>Not likely, since it's only March...

Well, that would make it a *bad* April Fool's Joke.

Re:Did they fix the graphing calculator hack?

[node 3]

Even better. They're including an all new graphing calculator. It's called Graphulator [appleinsider.com]

Apple was incorporated on April 1st

[johnpaul191]

that's the first of a long line of releases and whatnot on the day.....

I wouldn't want a G5 in a laptop...

[argent]

I wouldn't want a G5 in a laptop. You can permanently damage yourself running that hot a processor in your lap.

Seriously, though, I hope Apple goes with the Freescale dual-core G4 for mobile use before the G5.

Re:G4 laptop seems old now

[wtmcgee]

What is a MAC?

Seriously, it's a Mac. MAC is something my network card has.

Re:Warning: The latest Powerbooks have issues

[Rick Genter]

I guess I got lucky then. I bought a 12" PowerBook G4 about 3 weeks ago and have no issues with it. Good battery life (> 4 hours), no dead pixels, no wobble, and the trackpad works extremely well. I especially like the new "scrolling trackpad" feature, though it's taken me some getting used to putting two fingers on the 'pad (10 years of avoiding putting multiple fingers on the 'pad is taking some effort to overcome :-).

Sorry to hear you've had such problems.

Re:Warning: The latest Powerbooks have issues

[CdBee]

not only have I seen one, I've placed one next to the 12" iBook. Every single dimension is the same - actually, compare for yourself rather than just troll-modding me:

iBook 12-inch [apple.com]

Powerbook 12-inch [apple.com]

Pay especial note to the arrangement of ports on the side of the PB12" - identical to the iBook, completely different to the other Powerbooks. Or the identical sizes, screen specs, weights. Or the fact that the skin of the 12-incher is a metal skin on top of an iBook frame (yes I did get that bit wrong

Re:Warning: The latest Powerbooks have issues

[Red_Winestain]

FWIW, my 2-week only PB 15 (2GB RAM, 100 GB HD) has none of those problems. The only "problem" is the Airport Extreme card still has poor reception, at least compared to my old white iBook G3.

On the plus side, battery life is superb, auto dimming works well, and I love the back-lit keys.

The parent didn't say what PB he had. Perhaps the 17" have more problems. I didn't get that one, as it is just too large for travelling. I decided not to wait for a G5 due to the noise of the G5 iMac at work.

Try Fully Connecting Aiport Antenna

[MisterSquid]

The only "problem" is the Airport Extreme card still has poor reception, at least compared to my old white iBook G3.

The iBooks get the best reception of all Macintosh models. At least this was the case when I got my 15" 1.25 GHz Powerbook about 1.5 years ago. So, you probably won't see the kind of reception on your Powerbook as you do on your iBook.

That said, some Powerbooks, especially the 12" models, have reception issues (like getting 2 bars when fewer than 10 feet from the WiFi node, Airport or ge

Re:Warning: The latest Powerbooks have issues

[calstraycat]

Sorry to hear you got a lemon. I think it's a bit presumptuous to assume the problem is widespread based on anecdotal evidence though.

I've had my new 15" PB for over a month now and have had no problems. The trackpad scrolling works great and I love it.

Re:Just a thought

[sowdog81]

Maybe you should get a girlfriend instead. Wouldn't that be something !

When's the release date?

Re:What about J2SE 5 "Tiger?"

[karevoll]

Yes it will. It was included in developer seeds 369 and above. :)

TigerPostFacto

[argent]

If it won't run on your clamshell G3, you can bet Ryan Rempel will come up with a fix... after all, he just managed to get Jaguar running on Powermac 7x00s using the pre-G3 604e CPU cards.