Was the Mac mini Intended to Have an iPod dock? 404
RMH101 writes "Was the Mac mini originally designed to have an integrated iPod dock? The Register
has an article that appears to suggest it was. This opens up the option of homebrewing your own dock into a mini for yourself..."
Makes sense (Score:3, Insightful)
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If you buy a dvd player with digital sound output, you're gonna want a 5.1 surround system too. And so on...
Market Forces (Score:3, Insightful)
Currently they belive the market does not.
Not an iPod Dock (Score:5, Funny)
already been done... by me.. (Score:4, Funny)
Pretty leet huh, I'm about to submit it as a full fledged story to /.
Look for me in the dupe.
Homebrew Cases (Score:5, Insightful)
I may be easily asmused... (Score:5, Funny)
It would a good to have this dock as optional, but that will be in the next flurry of updates?
Re:I may be easily asmused... (Score:5, Funny)
Hmm.. They are planning on having an option where you can order repair droid with your Mac Mini!
Re:I may be easily asmused... (Score:5, Funny)
Damned refurbs!
Flexibility is good (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Flexibility is good (Score:5, Insightful)
Nah..
An extra connector is always a charm but a slot for your pod? hrmm.. considering future changes to the form of the ipod I wouldn't go there. The 60gb is thicker than the 40 and the pod mini... ugh just forget about ok? fugeddabaatit ok?
Good thing Apple changed their mind (Score:3, Insightful)
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Re:Good thing Apple changed their mind (Score:3, Insightful)
Not an iPod doc (Score:5, Insightful)
This ties in nicely to the way that the mini seems tailor-made to be a media-center PC. If some sort of tuner card were plugged into this slot (say in a "Mac Mini Media-Center Edition" or something) you could plug a mini into your TV and be basically set with the ultimate convergence box.
That's my opinion, anyway. Be looking for a Media Center version of the Mini soon.
Re:Not an iPod doc (Score:2)
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Re:Not an iPod doc (Score:3, Informative)
Apple hasn't exposed the necessary APIs, but if they wanted too, they could. But personally, I wouldn't expec
Re:Not an iPod doc (Score:5, Informative)
That's funny.
My Mac mini (the 1.42 version) is currently providing HDTV PVR functions (via the EyeTV 500), DVD movies, Other MPEG movies via VLC, music via iTunes, and wide-screen World of Warcraft, all while hosting my personal web page in the background.
In spite of EyeTV's box specs claiming that full-frame HD requires a dual-G5 tower, the mini seems to be handling it without a hitch. I even recorded some prime-time HDTV wide-screen broadcasts onto the mini's internal drive, and was able to watch them in full-screen mode with no trouble at all.
Not bad for a $600 computer with no mods other than a single 1GB stick of after-market RAM in it.
Re:Not an iPod doc (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Not an iPod doc (Score:5, Insightful)
As a general rule, if you're seeing any paging, adding RAM will speed things up. The exception would be something that is really CPU bound. Are you seeing high load factors? (Ie, several times the number of processors you have.)
Re:Not an iPod doc (Score:3, Informative)
Crowded cities still get a little laggy, but with 1GB, it plays smoothly enough that I became willing to sell off my game PC (as WoW was the only remaining non-console game I find myse
Re:Not an iPod doc (Score:5, Informative)
from MacWorld [macworld.com]
Media Centers and digital video players
Oppenheimer articulated Apple's current philosophy when it comes to "media center" computers -- PCs designed to work in the living room as a component of a home entertainment system, recording video, playing back music and more. While Oppenheimer admitted some consumers may be interested in media center PCs and that a Mac mini might be suitable, he said that "most customers" would prefer to have a more powerful computer in their office or den and leverage wireless networking to stream content to their home entertainment system.
As a practical example, Oppenheimer pointed to AirTunes -- a feature of iTunes that works in conjunction with Apple's AirPort Express wireless networking hub. The AirPort Express features an audio jack that can connect to the home entertainment system using a mini jack or a digital optical cable. Music can then be streamed from the computer playing iTunes to the stereo.
The iPod won't be getting video capabilities any time soon if current players are any indication, said Oppenheimer. Today's crop of portable media viewers are too bulky to carry as comfortably as the iPod, yet have screens he said are too small to enjoy a movie the same way you would on a TV or laptop. "Our view is that they've failed in the marketplace," said Oppenheimer.
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you could plug a mini into your TV and be basically set with the ultimate convergence box.
The mini would also need better sound outputs. The single 1/8" stereo jack doesn't cut it in most home theatres. You need SP/DIF or TOSLINK output for 5.1 and 6.1.
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Troc
You're mixing up your 'pods. (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Not an iPod doc (Score:3, Interesting)
Could be firewire to an expansion box which would sit on top of the mini.
The expansion box could hold additional hard drive storage, along with video and audio hardware and connectors appropriate for a media box. The hard drive could be bigger and faster, because it would be in a separate box from the CPU.
The expansion box would match the Mini's size and shape, except with a UI on the front for controlling things, and maybe a remote control sensor.
Stacked, the two would still be only about 5" high.
Coralized link (Score:5, Informative)
-P
iPod Docks (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:iPod Docks (Score:3, Interesting)
I'm not saying this was definitely a dock connector in the making here, but people are missing the obvious:
Replaceable plastic covers. Seriously. This thing [ipodlounge.com] has 'em, why not the Mac Mini? They can't cost more than about 3 cents each to make, and Apple could make 'em look better than these do. Fo
Old news (Score:4, Informative)
Sorry it was the price... (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm sorry but what made ME (as a "PC" user) to switch to the Mac platform was the price. $499 for the base model is 100% perfect. I have said it here before (and I am saying it again)... Once Apple created a computer that was reasonably priced I would purchase one and I did.
It's nice that it runs cool, near silent, and that it is snappy for what I use it for (with 512MB) but it's super nice that it was priced right.
I don't own an iPod and I likely will never own an iPod so the iPod dock wouldn't make me switch. I highly doubt that PC users would switch just because of an iPod docking feature.
YMMV.
Re:Sorry it was the price... (Score:2, Interesting)
Oops!
I suppose had I looked at the specs closer I could have known, but Motion doesn't work with a Mac Mini. It won't even install. Somewhat depressing, but the graphics card isn't up to the task. And the installer won't let you even try with pokey response, it just doesn't let you install.
I admire Apple a lot. And to finally buy a
Re:Sorry it was the price... (Score:5, Informative)
Next time, try blaming the real source of the problem: yourself.
Re:Sorry it was the price... (Score:5, Interesting)
In many ways, I acted more like a typical customer... the kinda Apple tries to appeal too: the nontechnical user. I read the hype pages on the Mac mini (that talk about how they have great graphics power) and then just started filling my shopping cart with the Mac mini, keyboard, mouse and upgrades.
Then it encouraged me to buy some software and so I added iWorks and Motion to the cart. The shopping cart software COULD have seen that there was a potential problem since I was buying a mini and software that does not work on a mini at the same time. A warning would have surficed.
I understand why some companies do not let you return software. My company makes software (though piracy is not much of an issue for us). But fully understand the issues.
The problem is that Apple didn't deal with this in what, I would argue, is a customer-centric fashion. Their correspondence were cold and indifferent. They showed no flexibility, much less concern. Heck, they didn't even try to upsell me... what a perfect opportunity to say.. "Hey, how about upgrading to a G5... that'll do what you want!" I was not going to do that, but at least a well trained Apple Store Team (as they call themselves) should have made that play.
So, yes, I did make a mistake. But not an unreasonable mistake. And not one that should have been undoable. This is the sort of nonsense that really turns people off. And makes them complain loudly about how they were treated.
Given how much I like Apple, admire Apple, I wish this just wasn't how things went down. The cost of the software, frankly, is a non-issue for me. It was the principle of the thing.
Re:Sorry it was the price... (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Sorry it was the price... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Ha! That's still too expensive... (Score:5, Funny)
I won't get one until they're free inside a box of specially marked cereal.... but only if the cereal is on sale and I have a dollar-off coupon.
Beat that cheapo.
Re:Y'know, its still about $150 too much... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Y'know, its still about $150 too much... (Score:3, Insightful)
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See you at the apple store!
Re:Y'know, its still about $150 too much... (Score:2, Informative)
This is more about players than the Mini, but...
I'm an embedded/firmware developer doing audio players.
The solutions used by virtually *everyone*, Apple included, for their music players are built around overloaded (in a good way) platforms from PortalPlayer and Sigmatel. Typically they're designed so that the platform can do anything from simple flash player to full-fledged multicodec recording and video playback.
The cost of the silicon is basically the same in all of these cases, and mak
Re:Y'know, its still about $150 too much... (Score:2)
It's a Macintosh, not a throwaway Dell (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't understand how whiners like you get modded up. Here we have the finest combination of a UNIX machine, a excellent UI, and decent market support, and you want it for the price of the crappiest computer you can whip up on Newegg?
Please. Apple did a great job of trying to meet the demands of the cheapskates. One of my friends who bitched about the price forever finally admitted he had to have a Mini when they were announced.
If you can't afford it, that's ok. However, nobody owes anything to you, the least of which, a cheaper Macintosh.
Re:It's a Macintosh, not a throwaway Dell (Score:3, Insightful)
I've had the same case/mobo etc since 2001. There are sometimes issues with the cheapest brand name PCs. (I've seen recent lowest end Dells that had the AGP port redacted, dude WTF?) But ususally any desktop, mac or pc, is quite upgradeable.
Aside: Actually I've thought about getting the old G4 cube, it's quite upgradeable for a SFF system. But the
Re:Y'know, its still about $150 too much... (Score:2, Insightful)
Mmmkay. The Mini comes with about $200 in software which makes the hardware about $300. Even in the PC world, you can get a minimal piece of crap PC for like $200. A copy of XP will run you about $150. So for your target price of $350^H^H49 you will get a bottom of the line PC with no real end u
That's where you plug... (Score:5, Funny)
I think... (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:I think... (Score:2)
Word uses more memory than Notepad
Firefox uses more memory than Safari
I think its more likely more due to the fact that they are differnt pieces of software performing (slightly) different functions, written by different people, using different languages.
Just a guess!
Firewire drive? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Firewire drive? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Firewire drive? (Score:2)
Probably a little internal fight over it (Score:5, Informative)
Also, since I have karma to spare, with I googled for mac mini ipod dock I got a picture of this crazy contraption [hackaday.com]. Just thought I'd share.
- Cary
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In other news... (Score:5, Funny)
Uh oh! Does this mean Apple... (Score:4, Funny)
Yes, But Killed Early On (Score:5, Informative)
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It will be in the 2nd version of the mini (Score:5, Interesting)
Sell version 1 w/ minimal features
get everyone hooked
release version two with extensive features
profit
look at the shuffle, the chip has the ability to recieve FM, they will add a screen and FM tuner in 1-2 versions to bump sales up. brilliant.
Re:It will be in the 2nd version of the mini (Score:2, Interesting)
You know that the shuffle thing you mention hasn't happened yet, right?
I.-
Two different docks (Score:2)
What about a "driveless" Mac Mini? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:What about a "driveless" Mac Mini? (Score:3, Funny)
Looks of the mini w/ a dock on it.. (Score:2, Interesting)
wrong pinout (Score:5, Informative)
Computer VS Peripheral (Score:2)
$499 iPod peripheral == very expensive
Firewire does not = integration (Score:2, Interesting)
You can add the dockyourself! (Score:2)
Where's the USB dock? (Score:2)
_Perhaps_ the reason this interface didn't see the light of day (until n
Re:Where's the USB dock? (Score:5, Insightful)
Every dockable iPod ever made supports both Firewire and USB through the dock connection. There's no reason for Apple to use a USB connection for an internal dock.
My reasoning is that they left it off to save money and because an integrated dock would taint people's perception of the Mac mini. Instead of "Wow, this is a great computer for $499", people would think "This is a $499 iPod toy".
Re:Where's the USB dock? (Score:3, Interesting)
Great point!
Apple is already seen as "the iPod company" - they need to help people realize they make great computers too.
The ipod is always thought of as a music player (Score:5, Interesting)
Another docking station (Score:5, Insightful)
The only reason I see for including a docking station is for them to sell us a "special travel cable", which is basically a wire with their own proprietary connector. That and maybe supplying power, but a powered USB hub could handle that as well.
Re:Hmmm.... (Score:3, Insightful)
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Or in other words:
This opens up the option of homebrewing your own dock into a mini for yourself...
Re:Only suitable mod (Score:2, Insightful)
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Re:Redundant? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Redundant? (Score:5, Funny)
In fact, the moderator was correct -- you managed the rare feat of an entirely redundant first post. Particularly impressive given that the blurb is only three sentences long!
iPod dock for next gen of Sawtooth G4 (Score:5, Insightful)
This got me thinking - my Sawtooth G4/400 has an internal Firewire port [lowendmac.com]. Clearly, the designers intended the next generation of G4s to have integrated iPod docks.
It's not uncommon for features to get added early in the mobo manufacturing process because it's cheap and relatively simple. This is probably an example of Apple doing a CYA 12 months ago and then abandoning the idea (whatever it was - dock or something else).
Re:iPod dock for next gen of Sawtooth G4 (Score:2, Insightful)
My motherboard has somewhere around 5 USB headers all over it, and they're there to plug in to case-mounted usb ports, not to some internal USB keyboard!
Re:iPod dock for next gen of Sawtooth G4 (Score:3, Informative)
Sure. You could plug a Voodoo 2 card [theimac.com] or a SCSI card [theimac.com] into it. It was sweet-- at least until big bad Apple removed the slot from the Rev C's.
Re:or perhaps.... (Score:5, Funny)
Actually, what with the relative sizes and all, it's believed that the next iPod will have a Mac Mini dock.
Re:hasnt the ipod line abandoned firewire? (Score:2, Informative)