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Steve Jobs Demos NeXTSTEP 3.0 465

node 3 writes "Following the current trend of posting video from product demos long past, openstep.se has posted a 55MB video from 1992 of Steve Jobs demoing NeXTSTEP 3.0. They already have 4 mirrors hosting the file, but hopefully someone will set up a torrent (I would, but I don't have a place to post it). If you find the demo compelling and want to try out NeXTSTEP for yourself, you can always go here or here to get started."
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Steve Jobs Demos NeXTSTEP 3.0

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  • old apple ads (Score:2, Insightful)

    by dclaw ( 593370 ) on Saturday January 29, 2005 @09:34PM (#11517028) Homepage
    what's with all these old apple ads?
  • Geez (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 29, 2005 @09:35PM (#11517034)
    Is someone keeping a list of these or something? It sure would be nice if someone could just put together one big bittorrent archive.

    I mean, it would be sad if after these things being rescued from the ravages of time and analog media, they were lost to the ravages of time and the broken Slashdot search function the instant that the blogosphere's attention span moves on...
  • Re:Next NeXTSTEP? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by ScytheBlade1 ( 772156 ) * <scytheblade1@ave ... rl.com minus bsd> on Saturday January 29, 2005 @09:37PM (#11517042) Homepage Journal
    Ehhh.....maybe [gnustep.org] not [apple.com].
  • by nurb432 ( 527695 ) on Saturday January 29, 2005 @09:38PM (#11517046) Homepage Journal
    Or the files are lost due to the wonderful DMCA, as the DRM rights kick in and all unapproved files are magically deleted off your pc.. or just refuse to play beacuse they *might* be infringing on something, somewhere..
  • Re:Next NeXTSTEP? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by remahl ( 698283 ) on Saturday January 29, 2005 @09:40PM (#11517067)
    What is your point? Mac OS X _is_ the next NeXT operating system, even GNUstep realizes this and aims to keep up with Apple's development of Cocoa (former OpenStep). Anyhow, I don't see how this relates to the article about a ~14 yr old product demo.
  • by TheMediaWrangler ( 817300 ) on Saturday January 29, 2005 @09:44PM (#11517088)
    I knew that OS X inherits from NeXT, but I was surprised by the similarities. This also makes me believe that OS X is more mature than I had previously thought.
  • Re:old apple ads (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 29, 2005 @09:57PM (#11517157)
    Slashdot is owned by Apple.
  • by Leo McGarry ( 843676 ) on Saturday January 29, 2005 @10:04PM (#11517189)
    I'm sure you think you're being responsibly concerned, but the fact is that somewhere along the line you crossed over into the realm of the deranged ravings of a lunatic.

    Might want to take a step back there, to rejoin us in reality.
  • by WillAdams ( 45638 ) on Saturday January 29, 2005 @10:07PM (#11517205) Homepage
    NeXTstep is far more than just the Dock. Some of the advantages which it affords:

    - Display PostScript --- true WYSIWYG, and the ability to do rich on-screen stuff like display (auto-updating) dimension lines in a drawing program by just typing up some PostScript code.

    - Services --- these allow any app to take advantage of any other app which provides a Service. There're Services for sorting text, convert TeX source to in-place graphical equations, printing envelopes &c.

    - Customizable UI --- tear off menus allows one to decide which command is most easily available and where it's available at.

    - Dynamic run-time binding means that installing a filter service affords said capabilities to any other app, w/o recompiling.

    William
    (who misses NeXT's vertical menu, Display PostScript, Webster.app, pop-up main menu, concise shortcut descriptors and lots of other things on his PowerMac G4 at work in Mac OS X, and appreciates them greatly on his NeXT Cube at home ;)
  • Re:Next NeXTSTEP? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by slavemowgli ( 585321 ) on Saturday January 29, 2005 @10:07PM (#11517206) Homepage
    Wouldn't it make more sense to read past the headline and see that this is from 1992? It's not as if Apple is showing a demo of the upcoming NeXTstep *today*.
  • Comment removed (Score:4, Insightful)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Saturday January 29, 2005 @10:33PM (#11517335)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • by lutzray ( 854591 ) on Saturday January 29, 2005 @10:48PM (#11517403)
    You can see that Jobs is behind a monochrome NeXT MegaPixel Display and the screen grabs are from a color screen.
  • by jbn-o ( 555068 ) <mail@digitalcitizen.info> on Saturday January 29, 2005 @11:08PM (#11517479) Homepage
    Brilliant concepts, perhaps, but management that was anything but brilliant. "Kits" (proprietary software--collections of ObjC objects and classes--one was encouraged to build dependencies upon) were obsoleted quite quickly, frustrating developers. The underlying OS was a rapidly decaying proprietary variant of 4.2BSD. I vaguely recall the details on how to build shared libraries were kept secret. This might have helped developers write programs that could work better on machines that had less than the full 64MB RAM (on a NeXT Cube). 64MB might not seem like a lot of RAM today, but back then RAM was considerably more expensive.

    Many of the apps that came out for the OS were profoundly overrated and overpriced. There were some unquestionable gems here and there (some gems were even available with source code so one could learn from them, like the sorting demonstration application which allowed you to sort groups of bars of varied heights using different sorting algorithms), but I think many people looking back on what NeXT had to offer are wearing rose-colored glasses and are likely to have never owned NeXT hardware.

    My experience with my NeXT Cube (ownership starting with NS 2.1, user experience starting before that, perhaps with v2.0) helped lead me to appreciate the free software movement. I didn't have my software freedom then and now I do, using commodity hardware I can afford to enhance and replace if need be.
  • by bbh ( 210459 ) on Sunday January 30, 2005 @12:01AM (#11517679)
    Wow, hopefully Linux will be this good one day!

    -bbh
  • It's amazing (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Prien715 ( 251944 ) <agnosticpope@gm[ ].com ['ail' in gap]> on Sunday January 30, 2005 @12:46AM (#11517822) Journal
    It's honestly amazing. I'm serious. Can anyone remember Windows 3.11? That's what was state of the art when this came out.

    Over 10 years later, tasks like e-mailing, starting a program, and even browsing a network look very similar to what he's demoing, and I'm talking about MS Windows (PC) use. I'd still like an easy-to-use inter-application dictionary. I'm sure the editors of slashdot could use one too.
  • by MightyMartian ( 840721 ) on Sunday January 30, 2005 @01:07AM (#11517907) Journal
    Considering what "conservatives" are doing to the US economy right now, the previous "liberal" administration seems like a dynamo of economic sense. "Conservatives" in the US haven't done right by the economy for decades now.
  • Re:Geez (Score:5, Insightful)

    by bigberk ( 547360 ) <bigberk@users.pc9.org> on Sunday January 30, 2005 @02:06AM (#11518211)
    I mean, it would be sad if after these things being rescued from the ravages of time and analog media, they were lost to the ravages of time
    This is precisely why we need industry standard open formats, not proprietary formats (QuickTime won't fly). All specifications have to be out in the open since we don't want the death of a company to take its format to the grave.

    The second threat to archival is digital rights management, content protection, keys or any other kind of 'protection' is basically going to kill long term archival.

    I think pure MPEG video is still the best candidate.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 30, 2005 @02:35AM (#11518321)
    This is sort of sad to watch, because it makes me realize that most of the neat new developments in OS X are really just progressive reimplementation of a vision and feature set that was already complete very long ago.

    This is sad, first of all, because it illustrates just how much Windows's domination has stalled everything in the interim. It's like we've been stuck in a time warp, with nothing changing except processor speeds, for 10 years. Now, since the DOJ suit, things seem to be unfreezing a little and progress can start up again--maybe. But how much further along would be be if the industry had actually had meaningul competition all these years, and if the NeXT vision had not failed so completely to make a dent in Microsoft's two monopolies?

    The other sad thing is that Jobs is still basically just trying to get that vision reinstated. Even playing sappy music while showing family snapshots--everything is the same from demos then and now, only now it's part of iLife. But what if he doesn't have any more big visions beyond what he did at NeXT? We've been living so much in the dark ages that everything old looks new and exciting, but at some point we'll have everything NeXT had again--and then what? Is that the end of the evolutionary path we're on? (In terms of real computer development, not consumer electronics.)

    Seeing him mention Lotus Improv led me to the Wikipedia entry on it, which led me to a (pretty awful) OS X version of Quantrix, which led me to understand that when Cells comes out, that is probably exactly what it will be like, with premade templates for commonly-used home functions like blood-pressure management and weight control, and an emphasis on beautiful charting and graphing, so Apple can deny that it is trying to mess with Excel. And again, we'll be back to something wonderful that we should have had a long time ago. I mean, reading PC Magazine and having them celebrate Pages as a new way of thinking about word processing . . . it really is just a reimplementation of another ancient NeXT program, Pages by Pages.

    So anyway, the whole What Might Have Been feeling is just so strong for me when I see this stuff. You can see why Jobs ended up feeling bitter.
  • Re:old apple ads (Score:5, Insightful)

    by soft_guy ( 534437 ) on Sunday January 30, 2005 @03:35AM (#11518561)
    Its interesting that anyone who is worried about the national debt is considered a "liberal" now.

  • Comment removed (Score:3, Insightful)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Sunday January 30, 2005 @12:26PM (#11520352)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 31, 2005 @12:42PM (#11529234)
    YHBT. HAND.

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