Linux Supporting G5 Liquid Cooling System 109
Sandor writes "Apple's G5 is selling well and this seems to have helped the development of the Linux kernel on the ppc64 platform: shortly after the shipment of the dual G5 with the new liquid cooling system, it seems that Linux kernel is going to support it really soon."
Ah hah! (Score:5, Funny)
Oh, wait...
The real reason to pick Linux over OS X is ... (Score:5, Funny)
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Sweet (Score:1, Insightful)
Is anybody booting their dual 2.5 with linux RIGHT NOW thats having a problem with this? Is it a show stopper or just more of an annoyance thing.
Re:Sweet (Score:3, Informative)
I've had MANY problems running linux (be it Gentoo, Debian, or YDL 3.0.1... I've tried pretty much anything with a PPC or PPC64 port) on either the Dual 1.8 or the Dual 2.0 in the newer generations of G5s. I can't recall ever having gotten one to successfully boot from any ISO available online.
If YDL 4 is able to boot and install successfully, I'll happily go out and purchase a boxed set; I just want to test it first. Too bad it won't be 'released' for a bit :-\ I'm very anxious to get it working.
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My automated installs of SuSE Enterprise Linux 9.0 on the dual PowerPC 970 (G5) IBM JS20 Blades work very very well. One of my peers installed several from the CD media without incident as well (except the boot partion has to be of type PrEP) while I was working on setting up the infrastructure for the auto installs.
If you can get the academic discount and happen to have IBM PowerPC970 equipment, I highly recommend SuSE SLES9.
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FWIW, "G5" is an Apple-ism. In IBM-land it refers to mainframes, not PowerPC chips.
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NSW Signature! (Score:4, Funny)
I'm sitting in the corner of a classroom full of kids checking out slashdot while a computer finishes imaging, and i checked-out your sig. You should really let people know that your sig-link has Work Unsafe images on it, not say "I made a funny".
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*sob*
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Just a thought.
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nice if true (Score:1)
nah, not gonna happen.
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On the minus side the way I have things right now I only have 15 bit color over VNC, when I tried to put it to 24 bit mode it gave me very strange colors.
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This means that if you can get better bang for your buck out of PowerPC (aka Xserve RAID) hardwa
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Last I checked, the Linux PPC kernel doesn't even support FireWire, so I would be very surprised if it supports the fibre channel bus you need to talk to an XServe RAID. And if you take the (admittedly very inexpensive) XServe RAID out of the equation, XServe hardware doesn't seem so cheap anymore.
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Make sure you mount all of them in a single tall rack, and put it somewhere conspicuous in your office. Then, when December rolls around you can stick a star on top, turn down the lights, and use it as your office Allegedly-But-Not-Really-Nondenominational-Midwin
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I've read of some people buying xraids to use with pc systems as it's just a very good and cheap storage subsystem.
dave
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Uhh, works fine for me. External firewire HDD hooked up to PowerBook G4 running Debian.
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Or do you mean you don't like Mac UI's? Well guess what? It's the same app whether you recompiled it or not. People are actually complaining about this for firefox - they don't follow Mac's standards for accelerators. Again, recompile + X.
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So major hacking of MacOS is an alternative to replacing it with Linux. Fair enough. But that doesn't mean that nobody will prefer the replacement to the hacking.
Oh, please! It's hardly "major hacking". Installing KDE on top of the X11 that comes with OS X is no more difficult (probably less) than installing KDE, X11, and Linux on the same Mac.
If you prefer Linux over Darwin (which is what we're really talking about at this point) that's a perfectly reasonable preference. (I'm planning to use Yellow Dog Linux on some old Apple hardware I want to use as a firewall, simply because I know how to do it with Linux and I'd have to start at square one figuring out how to do it with a BSD system.) Trying to support that choice by complaining about the OS X UI which is rather easily replaceable is not.
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Why don't you actually do some investigation and know what you're talking about before writing?
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You can run X11, and KDE, etc. on Mac OS X no problem.
No, you can't run MS Windows on a Mac. But that really wouldn't make sense.
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You can do many things with different architectures. It's a matter of cost/benefit. For me it's not worth putting up with the complexity of Linux installation/main
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That would be because only one company ever did, and Apple bought them for $400M.
No, no no. Palm owns Be.
Oh, you meant NeXT...
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[And anyone that seriously contends that the NeXT OS of the day was better than the Mac OS is mentally deficient.]
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Now, what OS X has turned it into, has definitely added something - but I'll also concede that mixing two such disparate OS heritages into one 'experience' is prone to inconsistency, which is still fairly apparent in OS X.
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No, they weren't. They were a major PITA on a daily basis for me, from 1984 through 1989 (which is when I swtiched to NeXTSTEP)
In addition, I would still contend that the type/creator methodology was great for its ability to associate a specific file of a type with one application while another file of the same type could be associated with another application was great. [Apologies for nonsensical run-on sentence.] I wish there had been something in the basic
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That's a reason why.
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like a lcd than can do up to 1280x968 or whatever, is at native resolution when it's doing 1280x968.
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Because I prefer Linux (honest) and Apple's hardware is really nice. Fortunately I can get the best of both worlds. Viva LinuxPPC.
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At a Linux meeting I attended a while back a woman (an ex-windows user) asked the group, "about how much time one should allocate to installing a Linux network of four or five workstations in a new accounting office: an afternoon, a da
Point: Don't need GUI, have Altivec friendly app (Score:3, Insightful)
Site getting slow -- Coral Link (Score:2)
...with your flag (Score:2)
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not hardware controled!? (Score:3, Interesting)
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dave
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Noise (Score:2, Informative)
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It's posssible that the firmware will override the OS in such a situation, but I've never heard anything about something like that.
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Assuming a desktop G5 has similar heat controls, I would think that
1) the OS can control very
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Just read the article: "This version (#4) fixes a bug with the backside fan doing crazy things, it appears to work properly on the dual 2.5Ghz now."
I think simply expecting all sofware to perform flawlessly is a bad idea when you're talking about something that could damage your hardware.
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well, I had some overheating probs with my g5 once (apple fixed them for me) and I'd come to my machine in the morning, the screen was blank and the fans were on "jet fighter" mode, which implies to me that if the OS stops taking an active interest in the fans then the firmware will step in and solve the problem the only way it knows how (max out all the fans). certainly the machine was unharmed when I rebooted it, nic and cool in fact
how it determines this I don't know, and I suspect few people outside apple do (unless it's a technical document in the archive), but if osx finds some way to crash badly and lets the fans stop, or not go fast enough etc, then you'll have some comeback to apple. if it happens while you're using linux then I suspect you're SOL. however, I would imagine that if linux fails to control the fans properly then the firmware would again step in to save the day.
it might simply be a case of, if the internal temp gets too high then the firmware maxxs all the fans
the desktop g5 doesn't have quite as many temp sensors as I thikn the xserve does (cpu in and out, per cpu, drive bay, motherboard, exhaust and... umm think thats it)
dave
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Well I could guess that the system cycles updating retrieving and sending back controls to the firmware. If the firmware fails to receive after a certain time it would fall back to default mode. If this is the case then any OS that does not know how to control the hardware would be running with a fan full blast.
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[...] If the FCU does not receive an update from the operating system within two minutes, it begins to ramp up the speed of the fans to full speed.
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The difference between a realist and a pessimist.
Penguinistas have no God (Score:2, Funny)
Why? (Score:5, Interesting)
I am not trying to flame but I just don't see the point - OS X is BSD. You've got X11. you can run all sorts of apps from the OS X command line (from apache to fink to vi) so what's the appeal of running linux?
All I coud figure is the desktop environment.
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I think you're new here. But let's do the math for fun.
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668225 / 132545 = 5.04
Yes, it would appear you're more than five time newer in fact. Not that anyone is trying to quantify 'newbeeness'.
But to qualify the 'newbeeness', I took a look at your previous posts and I would say that you are still in search of an elusive score of 5 to improve the old Karma. Hint: you will have to do more than post "why not?" to get someone to mod you 'funny' or 'interestin
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800k Slashdot IDs? I have five or six I've scrapped. I wonder how many of those are active.
Geek cred (Re:Why?) (Score:3, Funny)
Nerd cred. See, for a while it was cool to dual-boot Linux and Windows, but then all the nerds got out of college and bought a second PC. So then it became cool to run Linux and just run Windows on an old PC for running Quicken, MS Money, or updating the all important resume in MS-Word format. But
Re:Why? (Score:3, Informative)
1) It's an old mac that barely runs OS X. If you stick a fresh copy of Gentoo on it, especially with a minimalistic window manager, you can get much better responsiveness than on X. I believe it's pretty much the only way to get smooth DivX video on a G3 400 mhz and lower (and even then, you have to play a bit). This also comes into play in a server situation, when you don't need all the niceness of OS X, just some speed and stability.
2) It's what you're familiar with. Sure, OS X i
Re:Why? (Score:3, Interesting)
as for #2 - is the Linux interface (KDE, Gnome, watver) so 'familiar' and impressive that someone would take all the time to port the OS to PPC? I mean, I have used Linux in various forms for several years, though only ever as dual boot, and I must say that savge Redhat 9, I thought the distributio
Re:Why? (Score:3, Interesting)
I don't think it's mostly about the graphical interface, though. It's more the command line stuff, and the programs you're used to having. Sure, a lot of them are available for OS X, but not all, and often not in quite as nice of a form, or the configuration files being where you're used to them, and working how you want. I'd say it's the same reason people prefer Linux's vario