Turn your iPod into a Universal Remote 202
no_demons writes "Some clever souls over at engadget.com have posted an excellent tutorial in turning your iPod into a IR remote control. You also need a Pocket PC, an IR gadget from Griffin and a bit of patience, but hey, it's still a cool hack."
Cool hack? Not in my book. (Score:3, Insightful)
This isn't a "cool hack" or even "news for nerds". This is incredibly lame, backwards, and expensive. Why bother to use all these devices when you could just use a $10 or less Universal Remote from Walmart with a lot less futzing?
A cool hack would be controlling your iPod via a $10 universal remote from Walmart.
Cool. (Score:5, Insightful)
Slap together an IR "microphone" and do it yourself if you don't like their process. I don't plan on rushing out to buy a PocketPC to try this, but that it can be done is worth noting.
Is the PocketPC needed? (Score:2)
Anyone got a 3rd gen iPod to try this? I have a 2nd gen.
You can! (Score:5, Funny)
1. Buy iPod.
2. But $10 universal remote from WalMart.
3. Use corner of universal remote to push iPod buttons and rotate volume dealy-widget.
So much more cool and high tech than using your primitve old finger.
Re:You can! (Score:2)
Or use the Fing-longer! (Score:2)
Re:Cool hack? Not in my book. (Score:4, Insightful)
I think someone here doesn't understand what a 'cool hack' is. One of the things that can define a 'cool hack' is going the long way around to make a peice of technology do something that it wasn't originally intended to do, i.e.: installing linux on a dreamcast or connecting a cuecat to amazon.com.
Price never enters into it.
Re:Cool hack? Not in my book. (Score:4, Insightful)
Installing Linux on a Dreamcast or connecting a CueCat to Amazon.com to link your personal collections (books, DVDs, whatever) is far more exciting than using existing pieces of technology to do something.
This is a piece of PocketPC software that is talking to a Griffin IR gadget which the iPod is controlling. Woofuckinghoo.
It is certainly not "cool" by any stretch of the imagination. All they did was use existing technology through several different hoops to get a simple task accomplished. I can't even fathom how you could place it in the same realm as the CueCat hacks or Linux running on hardware X.
Re:Cool hack? Not in my book. (Score:2)
This, however, is not a cool hack even in that sense of the word. iPod doesn't do anything that it wasn't originally intended to do, it just plays audio files. IR gizmo doesn't do anything it wasn't intended to do, either. Considering neither of the devices used in this operation are doing anything else than they're supposed to do, it's not a hack at all.
It would be a hack if they'd built the IR gizmo themselves, though even still it's so simple concept I would't call even that a cool hac
The PocketPC is a one time thing (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Cool hack? Not in my book. (Score:2)
Incidentally, I control my life with the iPod. See, some days I just don't want to get up in the morning. Playing the second Queens of the Stone Age album on my iPod every morning at 7:30 makes sure I get to to work on time. Wow, what an amazing hack!
Hmm (Score:5, Interesting)
But, it would work with any Mp3 player, so it's a little annoying that they focused on the iPod exclusively, when any digital audio player would work.
It would also be a HUGE pain in the ass to actualy use, especialy if you've already got a pocket PC that could do all that already without all the work...
Re:Hmm (Score:2)
VERY interesting, as infrared wavelengths are a few orders of magnitude above Nyquist for even the most high-fidelity audio DAC.
So how's it work?
Re:Hmm (Score:2)
Re:Hmm (Score:2)
Which is to say, IR phototransistor deals with receiving IR light, and the actual frequency of modulation on top of it is much lower, apparently under 44kHz.
Re:Cool hack? Not in my book. (Score:2)
To learn more about how the technology works?
How can you call yourself a nerd if you don't find the 'convert the IR to sound and back' process interesting?
Re:Cool hack? Not in my book. (Score:2)
Re:Cool hack? Not in my book. (Score:2)
Show me a version that uses a Linux-based device, or some cheaper IR-to-audio homebrew gadget, then I'll be impressed.
Actually, that's what this screams for- an IR *reciever* device to match the Griffin IR gadget. Griffin, are you guys paying attention here ?
I suppose it'd be even cooler if some enterprising EE type built a DYI IR send/recieve gadget for the iPod ( and provided me a schematic to copy ), now *that* would be cool. Still, y
Re:Cool hack? Not in my book. (Score:2)
Ask and ye shall receive: an IR remote for the iPod [apple.com], whose commands any old learning remote can memorize.
Re:Cool hack? Not in my book. (Score:2)
You don't.
Usually, however, the IR gizmos built in to devices for communication purposes are rather limited in transmission power, and sometimes in what kind of waveform or frequency you can abuse them to outputting/reading, so the gadget is there mostly for extending the range.
The iPod enters the equation only because it can, though IMHO is useless and stupid. iPod can play audio files? WOW, I'd never ha
I've got a really cool gadget... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I've got a really cool gadget... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I've got a really cool gadget... (Score:2, Funny)
but only in Kenya.
Re:I've got a really cool gadget... (Score:2)
http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/29/ [weebls-stuff.com]for those who didn't get the parent post (also created by the www.badgerbadgerbadger.com [badgerbadgerbadger.com] people).
Yeah, it's offtopic, but it's also funny.
Great... (Score:2, Insightful)
Why not play Led Zeppelin through the IR thingy? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Why not play Led Zeppelin through the IR thingy (Score:3, Funny)
the problem is getting a brace of crickets to play guitars for realism.
Re:Why not play Led Zeppelin through the IR thingy (Score:2)
Turn your iPod into a ... (Score:5, Funny)
Yawn (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Yawn (Score:1)
Re:Yawn (Score:2)
Hardly. Did you see what they replaced with this 'tired hack'?
From the article:
for example in our place we have our iPod controlling our TV, DVD Player, Direct TV, Ultimate TV PVR, Media Center PC, Xbox, XM Satellite Radio, Roomba and a few other random things like a Robot.
If you have access to a Pocket PC for
Re:Yawn (Score:2)
Ah, the many definitions of 'hack'.
One accepted definition is 'making something do something it wasn't intended to do'. As in 'phreakers were early hackers'. In this case playing an audio file to transcieve it to IR easily qualifies.
'Hack' can also mean kludge, crack, program, etc.
Griffin actually produced this for this purpose (Score:5, Interesting)
They scrapped the plans and then made it part of their Griffin Mobile division - selling it for the iPaq originally.
Re:Griffin actually produced this for this purpose (Score:2)
Fuck Apple.
Apple asked the hymn people to stop developing it, and they told Apple to fuck off. Much easier that way, really.
Re:Griffin actually produced this for this purpose (Score:2)
There are different ways to ask. Griffin has a good relationship with Apple. Maybe Apple asked nicely, with a fist full of Benjamins. Maybe the video iPod has an IR remote.
The cool thing about this.. (Score:5, Informative)
So really, you only need the infrared-tranceiver-plug and some software to record sound. You sample the "sound" that comes from the tranceiver, then plug it into lineout and play back..
Of course, you can also hook up a microphone to your TVs tranceiver, and just play the recorded sounds out loud. Kind of like an old school "clicker" remote control that worked by audio. In fact, you could probably, with enough training, learn how to shriek directly in television-ese!
Captain crunch would approve.
Re:The cool thing about this.. (Score:2)
It involved wiring my Sony Mini-Disc deck to my PC and writing a program that converts data to blips, and a reader program that converts it back, so I could use all those mini-discs I had for something really cool.
But then I thought how much a pain in the ass it would be to write the assembly code so that it was fast enough to even think about using it. I'm also unsure how fast the Sony MD-deck is capable
Re:The cool thing about this.. (Score:2)
I think the ATRAC encoding would play havoc with your data, and even if it didn't, unless you used some funky encoding scheme (e.g. QAM) you'd end up with at most 20 kbit/s.
Good idea? (Score:2, Funny)
IPOD Articles (Score:2, Funny)
B) Connect Other Device
C) Figure Out How to Connect IPOD
D) Write Slashdot Article
Re:IPOD Articles (Score:2)
Re:IPOD Articles (Score:2)
E) Microsoft Profits! for buying a pocket pc to do this lame hack.
Re:IPOD Articles (Score:2)
How to control your TV via your cellphone... (Score:3, Funny)
Put the control signals in your ringtone, and turn your TV on by calling your cellphone. Use custom ringtones and call from different phones to change the channel, adjust the volume,
Re:How to control your TV via your cellphone... (Score:2)
Cool idea, but doesn't this mean that your celphone is now restricted to being next to your TV, and you need to use your home phone to change channels (or another cel I guess), and that there's a multi-second lagtime? The whole IR->Sound concept does have a lot of intreguing hack possibilities to it though.
Re:How to control your TV via your cellphone... (Score:2)
Sure, it's about as practical as the jet-powered beer cooler. It's 'geek performance art'. Putting an IR control on your iPod isn't that much more practical... I have a remote control package for my PDA that works great... but it's not practical if you don't keep your PDA by the TV.
On the other hand, you can get a cheap flash-powered MP3 player for under $50 and make a 'stealth' IR control out of that... then wa
Price beats Sony (Score:1)
Recipe: (Score:2)
Take a relatively expensive toy,
Add a big ugly knob,
Trade in a lot of your one-touch buttons for lots more scrolling.
Surf for a while, simmer and search for proper recorder hacks. Cross fingers, will serve a few, frustrate many.
But it's cool as hell. Looks like a headache, but I can't not try it.
Cool hack but pointless.. (Score:2)
For some reason I'm thinking of the Dogtanian and the Three Muskehounds [80snostalgia.com]
DMCA (Score:2, Interesting)
why? (Score:2)
This 'make your ipod into a bla bla' is silly..
Its like killing termites with a flame thrower..
Cooler Hack (Score:5, Funny)
It's really quite intuitive.
Rather Clunky, BUT (Score:2)
I am waiting for the perfect convergence of all home electronics, appliances and climate/house controls "broadcasting" their capabilities (all with a lock-out, so my neighbor cannot turn on my stereo at 3am and play some Barry Manilow!) to a device (or PC), allowing a PDA-style remote to visually control them all (or even the web).
There are some
iPod as the "Java Ring" ? (Score:4, Interesting)
Would be interested to see someone float a thin client based on using the iPod as the user identification/storage component. Lots of ideas come to mind once you assume the iPod is ubiquotous.
Re:iPod as the "Java Ring" ? (Score:2)
USB mass storage is ubiquitous enough; from thumbdrives that store 128MB to usb harddrive based devices (not just the iPod). Only trouble is, why would you plug in your data in a machine you don't trust? And if you did, why bother with a thin client, you can just have apps on your hard drive (especially Mac apps, jus
Re:iPod as the "Java Ring" ? (Score:2)
Turn your car into a TV remote! (Score:2)
Here's a clue gentlemen... (Score:5, Funny)
If you take a $10 item, and modify it to replace a $1000 item, that's probably a good hack.
If you take a $1000 item, and modify it to replace a $10 item, that's not a good hack. That's just stupidity.
It takes no cleverness to waste money.
There is much pleasure in useless information. [brainwagon.org]Re:Here's a clue gentlemen... (Score:4, Insightful)
Perhaps not. But it does take a brain cell or two to look at this and go "Ah neat! So that's how they did that! I wonder what other applications I have for mucking with IR signals?"
It takes no cleverness to put something down.
Re:Here's a clue gentlemen... (Score:2)
Not that cool (Score:5, Funny)
There are better things to hack (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:There are better things to hack (Score:2)
Re:There are better things to hack (Score:2)
It's not for killing Bambi. Search and rescue and fire fighting.
Re:There are better things to hack (Score:2)
Apple Hacking (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Apple Hacking (Score:2)
How about?? (Score:2)
Ummmm Ok.. (Score:2)
Turn your iPod into a automobile. (Score:2)
All you need is an iPod, an automobile, and some crazy glue! I love my AppleCar, and hope that you can appreciate my hack!
IR - Audio (Score:5, Interesting)
The article talks about how you read off the IR codes in the first place, and convert them into usable waveforms. It uses C# targetted for PocketPC. I found the underpinnings of this hack far more interesting than the hack itself.
Pocket PC and IR gadget? (Score:5, Funny)
"If you want, I can show you how to make a bomb out of a roll of toilet paper and a stick of dynamite."
ultrasonic remote "hacks" (Score:2)
Logitech Harmony (Score:2)
The poster claims its an XML compliant universal remote - although I couldn't find the information on the website (admitidally I only looked briefly).
One downside is that it's very expensive ($299) but one cool thing is that it has support for TV channel guides built into the remote.
I'd prefer turning a remote in an iPod (Score:2, Funny)
COULD SOMEONE READ THE MOTHERFUCKING ARTICLE?! (Score:5, Informative)
The hack is to record the IR pulses as sound files and play them back with an IR LED connected to the iPod's headphone port. It's a really smart and cool idea but I guess you guys wouldn't know one of those if it bit you on your collective ass.
The reason the article calls for a Pocket PC is because it can read ifrared signals and pass those to the headphone jack for output. If you just piped the IR port on a computer to the sound out device, you'd have the same solution, minus the Pocket PC. This is NOT like the stupid-ass iPod to iPod transfer "hack" from a while ago. This is an actual neat concept that I'd wish you'd stop shitting all over with your ignorance.
Thank you.
MOD MOTHERFUCKING PARENT UP!!! (Score:2)
Now, show me a version using a Linux handheld, or a cheaper IR-to-audio gizmo, then I'll be impressed.
Re:MOD MOTHERFUCKING PARENT UP!!! (Score:2)
At the end of the article they offer instructions for a $6 DIY IR adaptor, though I think I'd buy the Griffin device because it's cheap enough and looks slick. I too would like instructions to do this without the PocketPC. I have an Apple Powerbook running Mac OS X with an IR port recognized by the system. I'll see if I can get that to record the sounds and write my own article on doing without the PocketPC.
Re:MOD MOTHERFUCKING PARENT UP!!! (Score:2)
a shocking number of /.'ers view not reading the FA as a god-given right, too, I've seen plenty of 'please RTFA' articles get modded down.
I should clarify that I was talking about an IR *reciever* IR-to-audio device, not something to replace the Griffin, though it is cool that they showed a DYI version of that gizmo. I'd want to do it without the pocketPC. I bet you could totally do it with your P
Re:COULD SOMEONE READ THE MOTHERFUCKING ARTICLE?! (Score:2)
Maybe it was smart, but in the end, the summary is accurate: Take an iPod and an adapter and a Pocket PC and make something pedestrian out of it.
The only way this is "cool" is if it's a way to test an idea that might have some rational use. That might be the case.
Re:COULD SOMEONE READ THE MOTHERFUCKING ARTICLE?! (Score:2)
Re:COULD SOMEONE READ THE MOTHERFUCKING ARTICLE?! (Score:2)
I do think there's value in doing something just for the sake of doing it. I also think it's OK to like what someone does while also giving them a hard time about it. It still seems impractical to me.
Re:COULD SOMEONE READ THE MOTHERFUCKING ARTICLE?! (Score:2)
> combined them to do the job of one very inexpensive thing. That's just begging to be ridiculed.
Yea your pretty much right.
Apple took two very expesive things (A macintosh computer, and a custom hardware device called an iPod) and combined them to do the job of an inexpensive thing (walkman, discman, personal PC built with $50 of parts) and we all saw how rididculed the iPods were... Of course we see ho
Could someone UNDERSTAND the article!? (Score:2)
It was a cool and novel idea WHEN OTHER PEOPLE HAD IT BEFORE THEM.
THE WHOLE AUDIO to IR THING IS WHAT'S ALREADY BEING DONE WITH THE POCKET PC.
This "hack" is just plain lame. Griffin's stuff is doing all the work. The ipod is doing NOTHING useful in the equat
Re:COULD SOMEONE READ THE MOTHERFUCKING ARTICLE?! (Score:2)
What the article hasn't explained (and you haven't either) is why they'd want to b
Re:COULD SOMEONE READ THE MOTHERFUCKING ARTICLE?! (Score:2)
Write a story about me, too! (Score:3, Funny)
My next project involves making a blow torch into a toaster. Also required are an X-Y plotter, some hardware cloth, and a surveyor's transit.
I'd like to tell more, but I have to go to the can. Normally, I'd use toilet paper, but I figured out this thing with a power drill and a corn cob...
Not limited to the iPod (Score:2, Insightful)
Downloadable Signals (Score:2)
All you would have to have then would be the $10 piece of hardware and no iPaq, etc.
Re:so, what does the iPod do? (Score:2)
Re:Why include the iPod (Score:2)
Re:PlocketPC (Score:2)
You don't think the process they used of converting IR to sound and back again is interesting? I really question the integrity of some of the nerds around here. How can they completely miss the point of something like this?
Re:PlocketPC (Score:2)
Re:Dedicated devices are better, here. (Score:3, Informative)
There are a number of remotes (well, the manufacturers refer to them as Home Automation Control Systems) costing WAAAAAY more than that. A friend of mine dumped $5,000 on Crestron automation.
Re:Dedicated devices are better, here. (Score:2)
Re:Dedicated devices are better, here. (Score:2)
most expensive universal remotes seem to cost $250
Nope. [google.com]
for the last god damn time (Score:2)
Let the "you can't replace the battery so it sucks" statement die, please.
Re:Playlists! (Score:2)
Re:um, nice joke? (Score:2)
On the off chance that the poster was totally serious, its obvious he has no clue and its not worth the keystrokes to tell him.