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OpenDarwin 7.2.1 Released 42

Posted by timothy from the true-to-their-word dept.
Ed Waldmire writes "I am pleased to annouce to the /. community that the OpenDarwin community has released OpenDarwin 7.2.1. This release corresponds to Mac OS X 10.3.2 and includes many bugfixes and additions. Most notable are ncutil, YUM, and a tulip NIC driver."
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OpenDarwin 7.2.1 Released

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  • I was writing my paper.... (Score:1, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward
    with VI and it was like bepbepbepbepbepbepbepbepbep... and like half of my paper was gone... and I had to write it again and I had to do at fast so it wasn't as good....

  • POSIX? (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward
    I could care less about actual certification, but does anyone know how POSIX compliant this release is? Last I heard, Darwin had about 99% of the POSIX APIs.

    • Re:POSIX? (Score:4, Insightful)

      by cremes ( 16553 ) on Saturday July 17, 2004 @03:41PM (#9726532) Homepage
      It's as POSIX compliant as OSX 10.3.2. If you find that out, then you've answered your own question.

      cr

    • Re:POSIX? (Score:1, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward
      I could care less about actual certification

      I love how dipshits always get this wrong. If you could care less, then you still care. What you meant to say was "I couldn't care less".

      dddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddickhead

  • Darwin on x86 -- QUESTIONS (Score:3, Interesting)

    by MikeCapone ( 693319 ) <skelterhell@yah o o .com> on Saturday July 17, 2004 @04:01PM (#9726687) Homepage Journal
    How's Darwin on x86? Does it have any advantages over other BSDs or Linux? Does it do things much differently? Is the hardware support lacking?

    I'm very curious about it.

    • Re:Darwin on x86 -- QUESTIONS (Score:5, Interesting)

      by cremes ( 16553 ) on Saturday July 17, 2004 @04:15PM (#9726777) Homepage
      There is no advantage to opendarwin on x86 over the others mentioned. It's maintained primarily to act as a way to validate that code is written correctly (by compiling for two different architectures and verifying it doesn't expose any bugs).

      OpenDarwin isn't intended to be very speedy and reliable on x86 hardware. We have FreeBSD for that.

      OpenDarwin isn't intended to support every x86 motherboard or weird peripheral. We have NetBSD for that.

      OpenDarwin isn't intended to be the most secure OS out there. We have OpenBSD for that.

      OpenDarwin isn't intended to form the center of a large and growing religious cult. We have Linux for that. :-)

      Use OpenDarwin if you want to check out the foundation upon which OSX is built. It has some very cool technologies that other OSs do not.

      For example, it replaces rc.* scripts (BSD) and run-levels (SysV) with SystemStarter. Second, the driver model was designed with OOP in mind and has been branded I/OKit. Third, instead of littering the filesystem with lots of "dot-files" it uses the SystemConfiguration framework to store configurations.

      Using OpenDarwin-x86 + GNUStep + WindowMaker (or AfterStep) gets you a machine that looks like OSX on x86.

      Take a look. You might like what you find.

      cr

    • Re:Darwin on x86 -- QUESTIONS (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward
      I'm with you on this one. I installed Darwin on an x86 box a year or so ago to have a look at it. Seeing that Apple logo come up on a PC screen was a moment I'll savour. Is there anyone out there trying to get an aqua clone to run on top of it? I'd pay some good money to have apple software on PC. PDA too.

    • Re:Darwin on x86 -- QUESTIONS (Score:5, Informative)

      by Orick ( 796382 ) on Saturday July 17, 2004 @05:42PM (#9727247) Homepage

      The problem is that you just get the base OS, which isn't any better than say, FreeBSD, but not too much worse either, but you don't get the GUI, which after all is the difference (from FreeBSD, Linux, whatever) that you'd want from Apple in the first place.

      --
      Kirby Reviews [generalhouseware.com]

    • How's Darwin on x86?

      Umm... Not something anyone would really want to use much. It might be interesting if you wanted to have maybe OS X front-ends and x86 machines for a cluster. Not sure how that would work, but that's the only real use for it I can think of.

      Does it have any advantages over other BSDs or Linux?

      Nope. It's mostly just FreeBSD, with a different kernel (tcsh and all).

      Is the hardware support lacking?

      Most definately! You can't even get text-mode working unless you have a supported vi

    • Darwin's starting to look promising on the x86. If things keep going in the right direction and a decent packaging/ports system in integrated (as gentoo is doing/done to it) darwin will be a smegging awesome operating system

      It's based on the Mach microkernel, not a boring (? ;) monolithic like some other BSD's. (The hurd was supposed to use Mach)

      It supports multiple format binaries (ppc & x86) which i found cool, plus the same cd boots on either PC or mac.(nifty if you haven't seen it before (i think b

  • Is BSM implemented? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by alangmead ( 109702 ) * on Saturday July 17, 2004 @05:36PM (#9727212)
    The other day, I was looking around the Darwin kernel code and I saw references to BSM support in kern_audit.c [opendarwin.org] and the like. But I couldn't find any userspace utilities designed to enable or extract information for the kernel's audit log. Am I missing something? or is this just a stub that is being filled in as they go along?

    • Re:Is BSM implemented? (Score:3, Informative)

      by Starfire ( 92241 )
      BSM auditing is implemented in the Mac OS X 10.3.4 kernel (Darwin 7.4). OpenDarwin 7.2.1 is based on an older version of Mac OS X, and does not have this support

      • I'm sorry. I must not have been clear. Both Darwin 7.4 and OpenDarwin 7.2.1 seem to have (at least some of ) the kernel level functionality needed for BSM, but from neither package can I find any userspace utilities to activate it or read the accounting logs. I'm not so much interested in when it appeared or which versions support it, but rather if it is, or will be usable.

        I'm not sure if the problem is that I'm looking for programs with names like bsmconv [sun.com] and auditd [sun.com] and the audit configuration is handled

  • Can somebody test it under VMWare3?
    Last time it looked promising but it hung very fast after looking promising.

  • anyone use this? (Score:1, Redundant)

    by Suppafly ( 179830 )
    does anyone use open darwin outside of os x?
  • I freely admit my own ignorance her, so I ask this because I truly want to know.

    Is OpenDarwin a usable OS all by itself? Is there a defauly GUI? Does it include Apple's "Finder"?

    LK

    • Re:Question (Score:3, Informative)

      by cremes ( 16553 )
      Yes, OpenDarwin is a usable OS all by itself.

      There is no default GUI other than X and whatever window manager you decide to install. You can use fink or darwinports to install a whole bunch of different ones (AfterStep, BlackBox, twm, etc.).

      The Finder is not included. This isn't MacOS X; just the UNIX bits underneath it.

      cr
  • The OpenDarwin release notes states that Airport will be detected but cannot be configured. The home page for ncutil, which OpenDarwin now includes, says that it can configure Airport.

    So which is it?

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