Detailed Reviews of Mac OS X "Tiger" Preview 467
An anonymous reader writes "AppleInsider has been publishing some very detailed articles on Apple's new Mac OS X 10.4 'Tiger' operating system, which include numerous screenshots of the system. So far the publication has discussed overall installation and Spotlight search technology, Safari with RSS, a new Mail revision with
Smart Mailbox technology, and a websearch enabled Mac OS X Help application."
Apple Link (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.apple.com/macosx/tiger/ [apple.com]
Smart Folder == Opera M2 Mail Client (Score:5, Informative)
It works under the 'everything is a database' [markschenk.com] premise for email, with 'smart filters', multiple views, multiple email integration, everything controlled via CSS and much, much more.
It's free as in beer, too.
Some common answers to Tiger questions (Score:5, Informative)
Is Tiger usable as a daily OS, currently?
No, Safari 2.0 currently does not work with HTTPS sites. Many common apps, including FireFox crash upon execution. Additionally, there seem to be some pretty serious filesystem bugs which can trash your entire hard disk (not just your Tiger partition).
Do I need a DVD drive? My pirated copy of the Tiger DVD crashes upon boot up.
No, you don't need a DVD drive. Visit the following URL for good installation steps:
Install steps [absent.org]
He also has a Tiger FAQ here:
Tiger FAQ [absent.org]
Re:Smart Folders == Labels? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:photocopiers? (Score:5, Informative)
Microsoft's web enabled help applications are selective.
Re:Only DVD? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Only DVD? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Grrrr (Score:3, Informative)
Lion is conspicuously absent.
cats-a-plenty (Score:3, Informative)
yes, i know lynx in the unix shell web browser thingy..... but it can still be trademarked for OS use (i think?). whatever the list consisted of, it was found because Apple trademarked the names.
Re:Smart Folders == Labels? (Score:3, Informative)
Microsoft Entourage [microsoft.com] has been able to save searches for later use (a smart folder) since its debut in 2001.
hmm... thats twice in as many weeks that i've put microsoft in better light... whats happening to me?!
Re:Most inconsistent user interfaces (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Most inconsistent user interfaces (Score:0, Informative)
I agree. Does anyone think that Spotlight's interface [appleinsider.com], with the smooth blue bars and little ( i ) buttons, looks XP-ish?
That aside, using portions of Spotlight's new look mixed in with the old brushed-metal of the Finder creates a confusing, overcomplicated [appleinsider.com] search window. I liked the old search.
Re:photocopiers? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:One feature that I would like to see (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Most inconsistent user interfaces (Score:1, Informative)
This is why it is called a DEVELOPERS release... (Score:5, Informative)
Oh, BTW, did I mention it was a DEVELOPERS release?
Re:Why?! (Score:5, Informative)
BTW, Virginia tech found Apple to be the cheapest fastest option when measured against other PCs. What do you know, a cheap, fast, cool supercomputer!
Re:Any Real advantage to Smart Folders? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Sounds Familiar (Score:4, Informative)
2) Safari 1.3 and Xcode 1.5 will make it to Panther, and Panther will receive at least one more point release (10.3.5). Safari 2.0 and Xcode 2.0 will be Tiger-only, however, as they make use of updated frameworks.
3) If you don't see why you need to upgrade, then just don't - 10.3 will continue to work fine and they will continue to supply you with security fixes.
Re:Search, Indexing (Score:5, Informative)
2) The daemon only becomes active when it notices that files have changed. The performance loss is minimal.
3) Applications obviously need to make use of the provided APIs. That's what they're for.
Re:Smart Folder == Opera M2 Mail Client (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Grrrr (Score:3, Informative)
emacs is already a text editor.
I don't think Apple would use Safari
Internet Safari is already a web browser [internet-safari.com].
I don't think Apple would use iTools
iTools is already a Suite [tenon.com] of server applications for macs.
I don't think Apple would use Apple
Apple is already a record label.
I don't think Apple would use System 9
System 9 is already a the name of an OS by Microware.
Anymore out there ;)
Re:Been running it for about a week (Score:5, Informative)
Fix Printing to Linux CUPS Queues? (Score:3, Informative)
Contrary to all rules of CUPS when Apple ported it to OSX they decided to add client side filters which means when you send a job to a shared queue hosted on a linux box, the local printbox hangs and the linux box either bounces the job or prints garbage.
For details go here [comcast.net]
Please!?!
Re:Why RSS if Safari is still "buggy?" (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Sounds Familiar (Score:4, Informative)
New machines get the newest OS. Everybody else can buy it as an upgrade if they like. Where's the problem here? If you aren't willing to pay $130 for a fully 64 bit version of the MacOS with a few extra features, don't pay it.
Re:iTunes as a Teaching Tool (Score:2, Informative)
wrong (Score:1, Informative)
Incorrect. Right click is enabled for everything that it is in OS X, which includes clickable items such as playlists and songs. Whitespace is not clickable.
"iTunes requires you use the menu to perform simple tasks like adding a new playlist"
Incorrect. The "+" button at the bottom of the playlist pane adds new playlists. If you're talking about adding smart playlists, hold down shift while clicking. This feature is itentical to OS X iTunes except you hold down Option in OS X.
"It also wouldn't work with my iPod until I allowed it to delete every song on my iPod"
Probably because you:
A) Were using an OS X iPod on a PC or vice versa. Duh, they're formatted differently.
B) Switched the management styles. Duh, iTunes can't track stuff when it doesn't know where it came from.
Otherwise, that's preposterous.
"iTunes becomes non-responsive for long periods of time when used with my iPod"
Sorry your computer can't keep up with the data transfer rates. Perhaps you should consider reinstalling windows or updating your I/O drivers, because the 15 people I know that use iTunes for windows don't have any of the complaints that you do. If you're using USB 2.0, I'm not surprised you're having problems.
Re:Can't Wait (Score:3, Informative)
This is quite a contrast to Windows -- the Windows 2000 Upgrade is still in the $190 range 4 years later.
Re:Upgrade questions (Score:4, Informative)
Since Apple continues to opmitize and hone the operating system I would guess that Tiger will be quicker that previous versions och the same hardware. I've noticed significant speed ups on a PowerBook G4/400 compared to the previous Panther install. This is consistent with the history as Jaguar was quicker than Puma (10.1) that was quicker than Cheetah (10.0).
Re:Why?! (Score:3, Informative)
Mac OSX costs $125. For a 5 computer licence it's $199. Upgrades happen once per year, but you are not REQUIRED neccesarily to get them. Each upgrade of OSX (thus far) has made speed improvments on the same hardware - if you're okay with the speed now, then an upgrade will only make things better. Of course the hardware is usually[1] more expensive as well.
Which is actually cheaper? As I said, that depends.
[1] An iBook often works out to be cheaper than an equivelant PC laptop.
Re:Only DVD? (Score:4, Informative)
Things like Final Cut Pro can already do real-time image and video effects on the CPU, CI is just exposing it as a system library alongside all the traditional bitmap manipulation libraries.
Re:Any Real advantage to Smart Folders? (Score:3, Informative)
Moreover, it just doesn't make sense to have duplicate information. What happens when I want to delete a message that has been cloned into several folders? Or maybe add or delete something from it? That's why the virtual folder idea is useful. I love having folders that say "Today's Mail", "Yesterday's Mail," and "This Week's Mail."
When I switched my primary machine from XP to OSX, I loved OSX, except for not having a suitable email client. Exceptfor security problems, I loved using Outlook with the Nelson Email Organizer (NEO). NEO added virtual folders and really changed the way I worked. I could file things under "To Do" and also under "Project1", etc. Of course, the security problems with Outlook were impossible to ignore.
Right now, I'm running Evolution at work on a Dell laptop, but it still seems pretty buggy and unpolished. Whenever I get around to getting X working on my Mac, though, I'll probably switch from Entourage. (The MailApp lacks calendaring and Entourage implements it poorly.)
Re:I'd like Mail rules like those in Pine (Score:3, Informative)
I use PowerMail [ctmdev.com] on OSX, and it allows a filter to be set up with the following rules.
FROM contains XYZCOMPANY.COM then SET ACCOUNT to XYZCOMPANY.COM
As the program automatically responds using the designated accounts e-mail address, that should work.
Oh, and it has to be able to support IMAP over SSL and SMTP AUTH too.
Yes, it does.
System Requirements (Score:2, Informative)
G3, G4 or G5 processor
a DVD Drive
builtin Firewire
128 MB Ram
2 GB disk space
Re:research & development (Score:4, Informative)
No, really. For 2003, Apple's income was $6.2 billion. For the same year, Microsoft's R&D spending was $4.7 billion. That's almost exactly 10 times as much as Apple's R&D spending of $471 million
-Mark
Re:iTunes as a Teaching Tool (Score:3, Informative)
No worries, didn't take it that way. I refuse to start assuming that because some one does not know something they are a troll, just figured I would answer your complaints.
do want to use it with other software, primarily Linux software.
Not sure about that, but I would give a shot to the manual manage function, if you have not already.
I had been trying to right-click on the playlist area to add a new playlist and was annoyed that it did not work.
That would make sense though wouldn't it? On a side note, under the file menu is "Make new playlist from selection" (Ctrl-Shift-N) which is a really nice handy feature, which also seems to be lacking from the song contextual menu.
Are you really saying that iTunes continues to be responsive for you during this time? I just checked that I really am using iTunes 4.6 and not some early beta version.
I just tried it, and it worked fine, but, I did not have a large amount of data to sync. But, my experience is irrelevant, how it is working for you is what matters, try apples support docs, they have some answers to some pretty esoteric questions and situations in them.
Re:Much more under the hood... (Score:3, Informative)
It's still quite buggy (lots of graphical glitches) but apart from that everything works as expected. The OS X GUI is made up of bitmapped tiff's at 72dpi at the moment, so scaled up it doesn't look too crash hot, but this could easily be changed with a quick revision to quartz, and I expect it will be. Because changes only affect newly opened applications in the present implementation, I was able to make a screenshot with different programs running at different scalefactors.
I'm more excited about being able to scale everything down - yay, more usable space on my 1024x768 12" PowerBook!
quartzdebug.png [purrrr.net]
applications.png [purrrr.net]
Re:Most inconsistent user interfaces (Score:5, Informative)
From the Apple Human Interface Guidelines [apple.com]:
I think that's pretty strict, and it provides a great way to distinguish between iLife-type applications from other non-"life experience" (that's a technical term) applications. Additionally, I challenge you to find an Apple-made program using brushed-metal that doesn't conform to the above guideline.
Overall, if you actually read the AHIG, you'll find the guidlines make sense and serve a specific purpose; they aren't just some willy-nilly part of the system that changes at the whim of Steve Jobs or some apparently AD/HD influenced designers.
I for one welcome our Apple Human Interface overlords.
Re:Can't Wait (Score:3, Informative)
My four-year-old iBook (9.2.2) is even more stable, reboots needed months apart rather than weeks or days.
Macs are more cost-effective in the long term, partly because the hardware and OS don't need upgrading as frequently, and partly because you don't have spend half your time installing patches and fighting viruses and worms...
Re:Smart Folders == Labels? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Why?! (Score:1, Informative)
Re:Most inconsistent user interfaces (Score:3, Informative)
You can see my response [slashdot.org] regarding Safari. Another questionable program is iChat... many people say that its because iChat AV is an interface to iSight, but we all know iChat pre-AV was also brushed metal. What's the reason? The contact list is again, a source list.
Didn't realize pointing out your lack of understanding regarding the AHIG would hurt your feelings, but your second paragraph is again, addressed in it. If you actually think about what you're doing when you use configuration panels, you'll notice that if the program conforms to the AHIG, the functionality makes sense.
A lot (and a I mean a lot) of third party developers do not even bother to skim the AHIG: how is that the fault of the system? Apple merely puts the tools in the hand of the developers, and makes a list of recommendations. Short of only allowing Apple-approved programs run on the system (akin to what Microsoft seems to be doing with Longhorn), you can't possibly force developers to follow the AHIG.
Re:Why?! (Score:3, Informative)
Re:I'd like Mail rules like those in Pine (Score:3, Informative)
At least in my experience, it often does, but it doesn't always do so. From some experimentation I just did, it appears to base it on the address to which the mail was sent - but if it was sent to a mailing list, so that none of my e-mail addresses appear in the To: or Cc: header, it doesn't pick the address I happen to use on that list.
If it could be given rules to say "if it's to any of these addresses, use address XXX in replies", as I infer (perhaps incorrectly) Pine can, that could be fixed.
Re:Only DVD? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Any Real advantage to Smart Folders? (Score:2, Informative)
Aliases don't solve the problem because you have to decide which folder to store the original file in. If you delete a folder containing the alias, you're fine. But if you delete the folder containing the original, you're screwed.
Use iPhoto keywords for a while, and you'll understand why smart folders are superior to traditional folders.
Re:still can't import bookmarks (Score:3, Informative)
defaults write com.apple.Safari IncludeDebugMenu 1
Then use hte debug menu to import them