Apple Remote Desktop 2 Released 69
chasingporsches writes "Today Apple released Apple Remote Desktop 2, a major upgrade of their network management software. New features include new software management support, and VNC support, which allows you to control and view any VNC-enabled Mac, Windows, or UNIX-based machine. Unlimited client price is $499, 10-client $299. It's not available as a free upgrade, but you can get a discounted price if you purchased the previous version today or later."
Up-To-Date Program (Score:5, Informative)
Up-To-Date 10 Client [apple.com]
Up-To-Date Unlimited Client [apple.com]
Re:Up-To-Date Program (Score:4, Insightful)
Even $50-100 off for existing owners would have been a nice bone to throw.
Boo Apple thumbs down hiss boo.
~jeff
Re:Up-To-Date Program (Score:2, Insightful)
Hopefully this isn't a sign of "up-to-date" programs to come, especially with Tiger on the horizon.
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Re:Up-To-Date Program (Score:2, Redundant)
Additionally, it has been known for quite some time that Apple was preparing a new release of Remote Desktop. Its not their fault you bought RD 1 late in the product cycle.
I say it was a poor purchasing move on YOUR part.
Re:Up-To-Date Program (Score:1, Flamebait)
Another example is their Operating System releases. No direct upgrade path from Jaguar to Panther, and the same looks to be true from Panther to Tiger. Oh sure, every year
Re:Up-To-Date Program (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes, I will. If people are going to buy a product they need to be well informed about that product, including any planned or upcoming releases. Be intelligent and take responsibility for your decisions. It's not like it was a secret that new stuff was due.
Your statement would make sense if this was the first time Apple did this sort of thing.
Actualy, the more it happens, the more it makes sense that you should be paying attention to product cycles.
I used to have to monitor the spy sites who would watch the plastic production facilities for discontinuing work on current products to know there was a new one on the way from Apple.
Or, you could realize that Apple has a ~6 month product release cycle and not buy new machines without checking up on when the next one's are due.
Another example is their Operating System releases. No direct upgrade path from Jaguar to Panther, and the same looks to be true from Panther to Tiger.
WTF?
Oh sure, every year or two let's sink another $120+ USD into a new OS that isn't more then a glorified SP with a few goodies thrown in to make me giggle.
I see you've subscribed to redhat.
Re:Up-To-Date Program (Score:2)
Informed my ass. Apple keeps new releases completely secret. If a IT director has to check spymac.com on a daily basis to avoid being screwed, then Apple deserves what it gets.
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Btw, thx mod for making my parent post flamebait-I guess any opposing point of view is flamebait to someone with the likes of you!
Re:Up-To-Date Program (Score:2)
Unplug it, throw it out, and buy a new one. Welcome to Steve Jobs' Apple.
OK, mod me down, I can take it, but you know it's the truth.
Re:Up-To-Date Program (Score:1)
In my experience, anyhow.
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Re:Fucked by Apple (Score:5, Interesting)
Whatever (Score:5, Insightful)
Windows 95 -> Windows 98 -> Win ME-> Win XP
OSX 10.0 -> OSX 10.1 -> OSX 10.2 -> OSX 10.3
Now I can't imagine why anyone would have "upgraded" to Win ME, but I'll put my 10.1 -> 10.2 upgrade up against that.
Windows charges for updates to its systems as well, the small # of features added in each update make it not worth the cost.
Mac OS X updates typically offer a compelling list of added features and improved system speed.
The OSX full price is comparable to the Windows upgrade price $129 vs. $99. People with 2-5 Macs can buy a Family Plan license for $179.
What compelling feature was added to Win ME that made you want to upgrade from Win 98.
Also, I can sell my old system software on EBay, since I am not upgrading, an upgrading windows user could not.
Re:Whatever (Score:5, Informative)
If 10.0 had been release in 1995, this might be a valid comparison. But back in 1995 the Mac was still on System 7.5, so if you want a valid weighing of the cost to keep a system up-to-date you need to start counting a bit earlier than OS X.
Try: (leaving out free updates)
7.5 - 8.0 - 8.5 - 9.0 - 10.0 - 10.2 - 10.3
versus:
95 - 98 - ME - XP
Assuming upgrade prices (and assuming I'm remembering prices correctly,) thats:
99 + 99 + 99 + 99 + 129 + 129 + 129 = 783
versus:
99 + 99 + 99 + 99 = 396
Which means, to keep the Mac OS up-to-date has been nearly twice as expensive (assuming you never got any upgrades "free" with a new system purchase) over the last (almost) ten years.
I love my Mac, so I'd MUCH rather have those ten years of Mac Operating Systems than Windows (yes, even System 7.5!) but that doesn't change the fact that it IS more expensive to keep a Mac up-to-date.
My point was... (Score:5, Interesting)
What do you get upgrading from 98 to ME (I think you lost stuff here)
Only the XP upgrade was truly compelling, but I know people who bought every one!
Re:My point was... (Score:3, Insightful)
I think my point is that for at least 5-6 years game designers and other software companies made sure their software worked on windows 95. What my gripe is, is that there are apparently things missing from each osx (vertex shaders for ati cards) that are missing that get added in a later release.
It seem
Re:My point was... (Score:3, Insightful)
While ME was a piece of crap, it did add some things that didn't get added to 2000 like Zip folders.
At least MS doesn't sell software that requires XP (anything that requires XP comes with XP). Apple routinely abandons old OSes and sells software that only works with the very latest OS.
Re:My point was... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:My point was... (Score:2)
This is true, and actually it's even worse. The latest version of Adobe Premiere won't run on regular Athlon's.. it requires Athlon XP.
Re:My point was... (Score:2)
USB, firewire, fat32 (versus 95a)
Good point... (Score:1)
Re:Whatever (Score:1, Funny)
On the other hand, I do have Apple to thank that it's much easier to pirate their operating system. With Windows I have to work around that activation garbage so I just broke down and bought it. With MacOS X 10.3 I just burned a copy of my friend's CDs and installed with those. Worked perfectly. Thanks A
Re:Whatever (Score:2)
incomplete analysis (Score:2)
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the only regret I have is I can't play old Monkey Island games on my Powerbook. VirtualPC is still too slow
simple solution to that!
http://www.scummvm.org/
dave
thanks! (Score:2)
Re:Whatever (Score:1)
Re:Whatever (Score:1)
I have to say that I felt annoyed that there was no discount for upgrades from Apple. So lets make the upgrade price $US129 and the full price $US199 - everyone will be happy then right?
[deathly silence]
Re:Whatever (Score:1)
Don't forget that the real masochists tried Win 98 SE as well (OK so no-one would _pay_ for that upgrade). Seriously though, some people would have done the following and spent a bit more:
Windows 95 -> Windows NT4 -> Windows 2000 Prof -> Windows XP Prof
Re:Pay attention (Score:3, Insightful)
How are these not charging money for 'service packs'? They were about the same (less, in my opinion) level of refinement over the previous version as different versions of OS X, and cost 3 times as much.
Just because Apple releases small point upgrades rather than gunnysacking them for a while to put together huge "Service packs" doesn't mean Apple doesn't give its users some free upgrades.
This is really biting Apple in the ass that they are changing only the mino
Dream of Administrator? (Score:3, Insightful)
Is this a dream or nightmare of an administrator?
What? (Score:5, Insightful)
Why would a pretty GUI on top of this sort of thing be a nightmare?
Re:What? (Score:2)
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> There are lots of tools that provide this sort of
> thing for a Unix box, both free and commercial.
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I agree, remote admin tools are pretty thick on the ground. However, using VNC as the connection is kinda neat. (Or has anyone done this before?)
Any idea how many or which ports/services you need to have open on a remote UNIX (i.e., Solaris) client to run, say a shell script this way?
Re:What? (Score:3, Informative)
If you are referring to "using VNC" when you say "this way", you need 5900+N open, where N is the VNC server you're running, open to run it natively.
Alternately you can tunnel it over, for instance, ssh, and then you only need 22 open.
To be really sneaky, you can tunnel SSH over DNS [oblomovka.com], in which case you need 53/UDP open. (PPT slides: http://www.doxpara.com/bo2004.p
Re:Dream of Administrator? (Score:1)
Please make cheques payable to...
Re:Dream of Administrator? (Score:1)
command=$1
for hostname in $(cat hosts.txt)
do
echo "ssh $hostname $command"
ssh $hostname $command
done
I knew preview was there for something...
You gotta wonder (Score:5, Interesting)
There really isn't a whole lot of chance that there will be a G5 powerbook, so could Steve be holding back on something really groundbreaking?
Lets use this post for pointless speculation!
Re:You gotta wonder (Score:2)
The odds are slim but one can dream!
Re:You gotta wonder (Score:4, Interesting)
I haven't messed around with the distributed build and fix and continue features of XCode(which seem to be the most interesting), but after I get my G5(currently only have an iBook
But yeah, for the time being you are probably better off running Eclipse versus XCode for Java. While XCode "works" under Java(and does automatically set the look and feel to be Aqua), there aren't that many features.
Re:You gotta wonder (Score:3, Interesting)
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Re:You gotta wonder (Score:1, Insightful)
But something like this for the iPod is best suited for a consumer-oriented event. There's very little that can currently be done in the way of iPod development by 3rd parties (Apple seems to keep to a few
The binoculars (Score:2, Interesting)
Is it just me, but the binoculars (logo) and the black box makes me think of some kind of suspicious and/or illegal activity (spying, voyeurism, intrusion of private rights). A white box would have been better, because it is associated with goodness and cleanness while black is all that dirty stuff. Not a very good choice, huh?
Oh, well. That aside, Apple Remote Desktop is maybe the coolest administration program I've seen. Very impressive. Nobody should stop from buying it because of the box it is packaged
Re:The binoculars (Score:1)
Re:The binoculars (Score:2)
Yes. I realized it was stupid of me. My point was just that the logo reminded me of some "Big Brother" watching my every move. Not a big deal, but I just felt like posting on this story.
chicken of the vnc, x2osx , tightvnc (Score:2, Interesting)
whats wrong with vnc programs like osxvnc [redstonesoftware.com] exactly? I've only ever used them on a lan myself but i've even shared mouse & keyboard using X2OSX (like x2x or x2vnc but you've guessed it.. ) And certainly we've had a mac around that people have VNC'd into before just using tightvnc or whatever from their linux or windows boxen.
theres probably something... i'd just like to know what the feature is you guys are paying for?
Re:chicken of the vnc, x2osx , tightvnc (Score:4, Informative)
Nothing, except that it's slower than a dead snail in treacle on a cold day. Those 24-bit Aqua bitmaps don't compress well.
24-bit Aqua (Score:3, Informative)
Re:chicken of the vnc, x2osx , tightvnc (Score:3, Informative)
They don't make use of Rendezvous, so it get's a big pain in the ass if your clients use DHCP on the LAN.
And Remote Desktop does much more than VNC. You can send files, the admin can display his/her screen on several other people's screens (great for teaching), look at several remote screens at the same time, force reboot machines, put remote machines to sleep, wake machines up from sleep, etc.
SQL Question (Score:2, Interesting)
What's this like compared to VNC? Win rdesktop? (Score:2)
So, where does Apple's RD stand? Better than VNC but slower than Win rdesktop?
Re:What's this like compared to VNC? Win rdesktop? (Score:1, Informative)
FWIW, I hate how slow VNC is, and ARD is faster (at least the current rev), but it seems to operate under UDP and is kind of irritating over lower-speed wan links. In terms of o
Re:What's this like compared to VNC? Win rdesktop? (Score:2)
I can't say I've read up on whatever marketing material MS has, but that really isn't strictly the case. A single-user RDP server comes with XP and is used by a good number of savvy XP users. Nor can Win RDP export individual applications ala Citrix or X11, at least not how I've seen it configured; though if one can do that, I'd love to know how, as it'd be darn useful