Mac OS X 10.4 "Tiger" Preview at WWDC 935
hype7 writes "Apple just announced that it will kick off WWDC 2004 with a preview of the next iteration of Apple's operating system, Mac OS X, in a Steve Jobs keynote. This version of Mac OS X, 10.4, has been code named 'Tiger.' As usual, Apple is being incredibly tight lipped about what's going to be added; there hasn't even been that much speculation of new features on the rumor sites. WWDC is scheduled to begin on the 28th of June."
cats? (Score:4, Funny)
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Well, I am still holding out for the viMac.
Re:cats? (Score:4, Funny)
They should rename their browser "HyperLynx."
(or if not, perhaps "iBrowse"... ?)
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Re:cats? (Score:5, Insightful)
The fact that cats are often viewed as sleek and graceful animals while still powerful.
Or the fact that they've been viewed as both gods and devils, a description which could fit both Jobs and Apple quite well.
But more likely than not, it's because he's keeping with a theme.
Re:cats? (Score:5, Funny)
Yeah! (Score:5, Insightful)
http://news.com.com/2100-1045_3-5205185.html?ta
If Tiger goes on sale this year, it would mark the company's fifth version of Mac OS X in five years. In the same period, Microsoft has released one major version of Windows--XP--along with various updates. Longhorn, the next major release of Windows, is not expected until the middle of 2006, at the earliest.
Re:Yeah! (Score:3, Informative)
Windows 2000
Windows XP
Windows Server 2003
All released in the last five years.
Then theres the free service packs...
Re:Yeah! (Score:5, Informative)
And, if you want to count server OS's:
Cheetah (10.0) (Not sure if it had server with it)
Puma (10.1) (Again, not sure, playing on the safe side)
Jaguar (10.2)
Jaguar Server
Panther (10.3)
Panther Server
And you want to count service packs anyways?
Just from memory:
10.2.1-10.2.8 is 8 upgrades (all adding FUNCTIONALIY, albeit small steps)
10.3.1-10.3.3 (10.3.4 is seeded to developers right now).
You count.
Re:Yeah! (Score:5, Funny)
No, you set them on the wrong side of the desk. The little round thing is the keyboard and the big long flat thing is the mouse.
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oh, and btw,
kernel 2.6.0.0.1 kernel 2.6.0.0.2 kernel 2.6.0.0.25 kernel 2.6.0.0.3 kernel 2.6.0.0.311 kernel 2.6.0.0.325 kernel 2.6.0.0.3658 kernel 2.6.0.0.542 kernel 2.6.0.0.5687 kernel 2.6.0.0.589 kernel 2.6.0.0.654 kernel 2.6.0.0.658 kernel 2.6.0.0.695 kernel 2.6.0.0.7 kernel 2.6.0.0.725 kernel 2.6.0.0.7526 kernel 2.6.0.0.795 kernel 2.6.0.0.79889 kernel 2.6.0.0.851 kernel 2.6.0.0.91 kernel 2.6.0.0.952 kernel 2.6.0.0.961 kernel 2.6.0.1.125 kernel 2.6.0.1.254
etc.
And that concludes day one before lunch break.
Re:Yeah! (Score:5, Insightful)
Does iLife count as an OS release too?
How about XCode?
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-matt
Re:Yeah! (Score:4, Insightful)
Service packs don't count- They're about the equivilant of the 10.3.x combined patches from Apple.
Windows Server 2003 doesn't count either, *unless* you want to count servers.
If you want to count servers, then we can count the Mac OS X Server editions...
Meaning Apple will have released TEN operating systems (Mac OS X 10.0, Mac OS X Server, Mac OS X 10.1, Mac OS X Server 10.1, Mac OS X 10.2, Mac OS X Server 10.2, you get the picture) in the time it took Microsoft to release two...
Re:Yeah! (Score:5, Insightful)
Interesting point!
If quantity and release cycle determines who makes the best software, I think we should all bow to Mandrake. They've released about 100 operating systems in the last 5 years!
Hell, I think they've released at least TEN operating systems in the last year!
8.0, 8.1, 8.2, 9.0, 9.1, 9.2, 10.0.............
Take that you Mac fanatics!
Re:Yeah! (Score:4, Insightful)
Windows users generally don't count server, home, and professional as different versions. If you did there would be windows 2000 pro, server, advanced server, and data center, then xp media center, home, and professional; there's seven versions alone. We also don't count service packs which Microsoft is happy to provide to us free of additional charge, unlike paying $129 to go from 10.1 to 10.2 - essentially a mandatory upgrade what with all the software which requires 10.2 or later. The service packs lie somewhere in between the minor and tiny version upgrades (n.x.y, where n is major, x is minor, and y is tiny) of OS X, in that they both provide new features and include bug fix roll-ups. (better than bug-fix leather any day.)
Releasing more often is not necessarily a good sign. Microsoft often releases new features with service packs (such as the upcoming enhancements to the XP firewall, which is more than just turning it on by default) which don't cost you anything to just download from windows update.
Now granted, I believe OS X to be a superior operating system to Windows in essentially every way but hardware support, but the fact that they release early and often is not the benefit it would be if the releases didn't cost anything, as they do with free and open software.
Re:Yeah! (Score:5, Insightful)
IIRC, Windows XP Pro costs $199 (for an upgrade), and has been fully supported for those five years, plus MS does have a fairly straight forword support policy for their older OS's.
(Note: I'm not trying to argue the relative merits of each OS, but just to point out that 5 releases in 5 years might not be a good thing)
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Re:Yeah! (Score:4, Insightful)
Look at it another way. The alternative offered by certain other companies is a subscription based model whereby you have to renew each year or get locked of the system, even if they didn't do anything improve the system in the meantime.
On the other hand, Apple provides a solution whereby you but the OS and then have the choice to follow the updgrade cycle or stick with what you have. Each has advantages and disadvantages. The one thing that I believe this approach ensures, is a) you see what your money is giving you and b) the developers concentrate on making improvements to a smaller number of features, so making QA that much easier to attain.
Yes I am a Mac user. $129 is a fair bit to pay per year, but I pay that sort of price on some magazine subscriptions, so it works out be an okay price, comparatively.
New APIs, Faster (Score:5, Insightful)
Yeah, it costs money, but we've gotten functionality and improvements that have made our in-house applications faster and more reliable, so I'm happy.
Also, there is no obligation to buy the upgrades, we were going to skip Panther, but then Expose was so incredible, we upgraded all our developers. Instead of building on Panther to deploy on Jaguar, we just bought a bunch of Jaguar updates.
The Jaguar Server -> Panther Server was an INCREDIBLE change, and I look forward to Tiger Server for more polish.
So it's a GOOD thing. Customers get the option of getting new features/more productive, and Apple Shareholders get to increase earnings by selling more to the same (or slightly shrinking) market.
So rather then fighting for marketshare, Apple is selling more/customer.
So all around, it's a good thing.
I'll Gladly Drop $129 (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:A.W.E.S.O.,M - O Says 'lame article' (Score:5, Insightful)
"But you get more with a new version of OS/x than you do a windows service pack."
And as a relatively new mac user coming from a windows/linux background, it's true. You get the same updates as you do via windows update for security fixes, etc etc. Most windows service packs however (with the exception of the upcoming xpsp2 that is) are essencially the previous bug fixes all rolled into one.
Contrasting this, the incremental updates for MacOS (10.2, 10.3) are more than hotfixes but less than a completely new os. Generally they contain new apps, improvements in existing apps (not just performance or bug fixes either) such as the new 'find as you type', expose, ichat, etc.
That said, I'd love to see the *real* next gen apple offerings, ie: OS 11, as the "new" OSs that have come out in the os 10 line have really been evolutionary, not revolutionary, as longhorn promises to be. Of course, redmond is making a lot of promises about longhorn, and it's a "I'll believe it when I see it" situation for me.
Re:A.W.E.S.O.,M - O Says 'lame article' (Score:4, Insightful)
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Prices wrong (Score:4, Informative)
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What's improved? (Score:3, Insightful)
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Re:What's improved? (Score:4, Insightful)
-Benjamin Meyer
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Cat Got Your Tounge? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Cat Got Your Tounge? (Score:5, Funny)
I think they should branch out to other wild predators. "Yeah, well, my Mac OS 11.7 'Hyena' is going to encircle your Windows 'Longhorn' and bring it down slowly and horribly, laughing the whole time
If they're good enough for Bond Villains... (Score:5, Funny)
I don't know. If a monocle and a persian cat [igeek.com] are good enough for a Bond Villain (or Bill Gates himself), they oughta be good enough for me.
O'Reilly (Score:3, Interesting)
International Versions (Score:4, Interesting)
I may skip this one ... (Score:5, Funny)
This trend goes back to at least the System 7 days, in my experience.
Re:I may skip this one ... (Score:4, Informative)
And the only major improvements in 10.3 were iChat AV, FileVault, Expose, and a prettier GUI. All of which, except for Expose, you could get as add-ons for 10.2 (iChat AV is available for $30, FileVault equivalents can be found from third parties, and a prettier GUI that is fully customizable can be found from third parties).
Re:I may skip this one ... (Score:5, Insightful)
And, of course, about a 20 percent bump in speed.
Glad to hear it... (Score:4, Interesting)
i will be buying Apples for both me and my girlfriend and an older dualproc Sun server to chain SCSI drives off of.
I HAVE HAD IT WITH SHIT NOT WORKING OUT OF THE BOX, FIRST TIME! i am not dealing with Windows nor linux for any of our serious design work anymore. i know this a massive linux crowd here, and honestly, i really love linux for my firewall and server stuff and my run Gentoo on the Sun (doubt it though...gentoo-sparc is nice, but Solaris 9/10 it ain't).
i don't have the time to fuck about with things anymore. i have to be able to plug it in, turn it on, and let people get to work. i say more power to Apple and they can have some of my cash too. You take the power of *nix (yes, i know what is under the Apple hood, i'm speaking general here) and put a slick, smooth, beautiful, easy-to-use GUI on top, have Adobe compile the must-have apps for it and i'll buy. Apple has done this. Now i will buy. And no, i don't have loads of cash laying around, i'm going to have to scrape to do this, but you know what? It's worth it.
Re:Glad to hear it... (Score:5, Interesting)
However, UNIX is my bread and butter and I prefer a UNIX environment. Bam! Apple walks onto the scene with perhaps the best GUI (imho) on top of a UNIX environment. I'm in love.
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Re:Glad to hear it... (Score:5, Interesting)
Preach on, Brothah Karl! (Score:3, Interesting)
Uh-uh. No thank'ee. I ain't got neither the desire nor the time for that shit. I just want something that freaking WORKS.
So I in
Re:Preach on, Brothah Karl! (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm piping up just so all the Linux heads can see that we're out there. Before you complain, know that I have no problem compiling the Kernel, I have a couple of Linux boxes running web sites in my home server closet and a very active postfix mail server servicing a bunch of different purposes and etc.
I'm no expert, but then again, I don't want to be. My 13 year old daughter has an iMac and an iPod and she loves them. I'm a convert. My next "main box" will be an iMac or a G5 or something, especially now that I'm getting into the digital video thing.
In any event, thank you Apple for saving me from Config File Hell. I'm sick of editing obscure, unique, hidden freaking config files, recompiling this and that and all the rest of the headaches associated with using Linux. I want the security and performance of *nix, with the ease of Windows. That means, OS X.
Re:Preach on, Brothah Karl! (Score:5, Interesting)
You found out wrong. Drivers don't have to be part of the kernel. They can also be loaded as modules. You don't have to recompile your kernel.
Nope. I spent about a month researching this, and had several people tell me that even though it shouldn't be this way, it was. It's a Toshiba laptop with a combo sound/video card. I tried 6 separate distros, including Mandrake, Gentoo, Slackware, and Red Hat. The video card worked fine, just not the sound part. This was a little over a year ago, but things probably haven't changed that much since then.
Your complaint is that there is no pre-built binary for your sound-card. This is not a fault of Linux. It is either the fault of the distribution for not including the driver (if the source is available) or the fault of the manufacturer for not supporting Linux.
Don't care WHOSE fault it is, just that the problem exists. Every single time I've tried Linux I've wound up having to dink with crap that I have absolutely no love for dinking with. I want something that works out of the box. Linux has NEVER footed the bill insofar as that consideration is concerned.
Re:Glad to hear it... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Glad to hear it... (Score:4, Informative)
Or he could just use Monolingual [mac.com].
Re:Glad to hear it... (Score:4, Insightful)
I started using a mac cautiously about 3 years ago, and haven't looked back. I finally convinced my boss to get me a singleproc-G5 for the sysadmin drone work I do for a living.
I think it has something to do with getting older and gaining more non-computer related responsibilites (kids, houses, in-laws :) but the last think I want to see when I go to check why Countrywide didn't get my mortgage payment is something wrong with mmap() for 000EFx768 on DIMM B J3200. Ya know?
Yes PC fans, Apple hardware is generally more expensive. But two factors make it worth the extra dough:
1) It works. No complaints, no "my video card has a conflict with the on-board video/NIC IRQ"
2) Apple users are willing to pay a little more for quality and consistancy. The difference between a typical auto and a luxury auto.
Overall, there's nothing wrong with PC's, and Unix/Linux in general. They have their place, but for me personally having a machine that I can seamlessly pull in DV of my nephew from my camcorder and turn out a DVD-R in a few minutes? Record a quick riff that I have stuck in my head and take it to practice? All with no drivers, no kernel recompiles, or package dependancies? Priceless.
It's worth it. Anyone who is serious about to getting work done with the computer and doesn't consider working on the computer a very high priority should at least consider trying a Mac.
Incremental or Major... (Score:5, Interesting)
What's left, quite a lot actually. The Finder for one thing could use a lot of enhancements. Forgoing the whole brush metal fiasco, I care little about, there is the whole underlying functionality. Why is it that the OS can't update the window's contents without being pushed to do it. This is something that is fundamentally critical to an operating system. Additionally browsing folders across a network with a large number of files in it is painfully slow, and I'm talking my 100MB network at home.
Lastly I would like to see a decent integrated development environment. XCode is a nice upgrade from previous tools but I'd still like to be able to work on the GUI and on code at the same time. CASE tools have come a long way, but Apple's tools still have a very antiquated feel about them.
Logic Board Extension Program (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Logic Board Extension Program (Score:3, Informative)
Try taking the Panther updgrade disc and putting it into a machine that doesn't already have OSX on it. It won't allow you to install.
Well, they ARE a business, after all (Score:5, Insightful)
Do I *HAVE* to pay for an upgrade every year? No.
However, who on earth can blame Apple for launching new releases on a regular basis and charging for them. If they don't have enough features to justify *YOU* paying for them (it is, after all, completely subjective), then don't get it. Wait until enough releases go by that you feel justified. On the flip side, Apple is trying to make money and apparently there are enough people willing to pay for these annual releases to encourage Apple to keep doing it.
I'm not sure how many they sell each year, but if they waited every 2-3 years, that's a TON of money being left on the table that a TON of consumers are apparently more than willing to part with.
Enjoy,
Andy
It's still year off (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:It's still year off (Score:4, Insightful)
10.0 to 10.1 was 6 months, 10.1 to 10.2 was 18 months, and 10.2 to 10.3 was 14 months. So where's 18? Pulled from a hat?
I really doubt Steve's going to get into a feature play-up and then the OS won't ship for 12 months.
what a story (Score:5, Funny)
So...It's been announced that Steve Jobs will announce what will eventually be in 10.4.
I don't know what's more disturbing, that this is a story or that my heart started beating faster as I read it.
Triv
Please tell me they've pamified LoginWindow (Score:3, Interesting)
pam_smb [csn.ul.ie] works a treat on OSX, I can authenticate ssh logins to our NT domain, but the actual local login window on OSX takes not a blind bit of notice of pam, making it not-so-useful.
Accessibility Improvements (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:quit your bitching (Score:5, Insightful)
Because Windows Media Player 9, Windows Movie Maker 2, the new firewall, pop-up blocking, IE extention manager, PowerToys, the new security center, the new wifi interface, bluetooth support, support for hundreds of new devices, DirectX 9, the
Were all jsut bug fixes.
Right. Microsoft has improved the media player immensely, improved the video editor immensely, added a whole ton of new features to DirectX, and released free power-user tools. Plus, the whole compliance API (makes it easier to use a 3rd party IM program/media player/web browser/mail reader/java VM.
With SP2, they are adding a new firewall (incoming/outgoing), popup blocking in IE, a new extentions manager in IE, bluetooth support integrated, wifi support greatly improved, and a new security center. Plus, there are UI improvements to IE and the rest of Windows.
Microsoft does add features to their OS.
.Mac and OS X Upgrades (Score:5, Interesting)
A use for those OS upgrade coupons? (Score:5, Funny)
Things I'd like to see... (Score:5, Interesting)
1. Give me the option to have my quoted text in Mail.app appear at the top of my cursor when replying to an email. Few types of miscreant are worse than top-posters, and Apple doesn't need to be aiding and abetting.
2. Speed. I'll take OS X over Linux/X11 or XP any day of the week, but I'd love to see XP's responsiveness in the Tiger GUI. Again, I prefer the stability to the speed, but having both would be rich.
3. As mentioned, SMB interoperability can use some tweaking in the areas of both speed and ease of use.
4. This is sacrilegious, but the Finder still isn't there for me. I *hate* the spacing of the icons in icon view (they are like 3 feet apart), and the viewing of directories and files simply isn't as intuitive to me as it is in XP. Pathfinder does a much better job, in my opinion.
Re:Things I'd like to see... (Score:5, Funny)
Honestly, I don't know what the big deal is with top-posting.
1. Give me the option to have my quoted text in Mail.app appear at the top of my cursor when replying to an email. Few types of miscreant are worse than top-posters, and Apple doesn't need to be aiding and abetting.
A Word From A Sysadmin (Score:5, Interesting)
I work as a system administrator for a small non-profit. I have enough work and dealing with configuration of yet another Linux box is not something that I would like to do on my free time. Do not get me wrong, I love what I do for living; however, I do not want to do my work at work and at home.
When I switched to Mac OS X I was fairly pleased with the fact that I could work from home on a system with a stable GUI that hasn't crashed on me in more than one and a half years. I can do all my work on a system that does not require a lot of maintenace; that increses my productivity. I am impressed by the quality of Xcode and how much you can do with it without installing a ton of new things. I can do OpengL programming, write user interfaces and do all sorts of things out of the box -- install Xcode and you're a done! Did I mention well-integrated Java support?
With that in mind, I am looking forward to the new version of the operating system that I love to use. However, I hope that Apple incudes more than new icons and new GUI features in 10.4. Here is my small wish list:
Update CVS to the most recent version.
Add better group and user management. For example, make sure that every user is a member of 'staff' and the admin user is a member of 'staff' and 'wheel.' It would be cool if UNIX inclined people could have a set of advanced options when it comes to user creation.
Fix passwd. I would like to use it in order to change my passwords; it is faster for me that way. I am sure that this command can be updated to change my KeyChain password.
Add more fonts.
Add tabbed sessions for Terminal. I know that there is iTerm, but it choked on me way too many times. I like Terminal better.
Add virtual desktops as a part of the window manager.
Provide a stable front end to firewall that supports both TCP and UDP rules. Currently, only TCP traffic can be managed.
Well, I guess that is it for 10.4.
Re:A Word From A Sysadmin (Score:4, Interesting)
Screen is a poor-ass replacement for real tabbed terminal sessions. Any terminal worth its salt will give you keypress options for changing tabs.
Please stop whining. (Score:5, Insightful)
I paid $20 or 30 for the Public Beta, I got a kickass new OS to play with. I paid I don't remember how much for 10.0 and got a mediocre (but still better) version of the OS. I got the 10.1 upgrade for free at the Apple Store (score!) and finally had a truly usable version of Mac OS X. I paid $130 for 10.2 and got a kick-ass version of Mac OS X. I paid $130 for 10.3 and I've been totally wowed by it. 10.3 breathed new life into old hardware. Each time my money went towards making the next release even better.
Apple has every right to charge for their OS. Whether you agree with $130 being worth it is irrelevent. Just because you can get Free Software for free, does NOT mean ALL software should be free. Yes, it'd be nice if they had an upgrade version, but the last time they did that it was poorly devised and you could rip the CD, remove a single file from the image, and re-burn a full installer CD, which obviously cost them money.
If you want an upgrade version, make your voice heard. Go to http://www.apple.com/macosx/feedback [apple.com] and let them know what you think.
Tiger wishlist (Score:5, Interesting)
I want
There's more, but I can't remember all of it right now.
Thank God (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm of the same school as a lot of posters here -- Redhat, Windows, and Mac OS X are part of my daily life. Redhat runs my webserver/small biz, Windows is the ball-and-chain of my day job, and Mac OS X does everything else.
My development work (PHP/MySQL, Ruby, Perl, etc., all of which are part of the OS X distribution), all done on OS X before deploying to the server. My design work? Fire up Photoshop on the iBook. My writing? I just installed PHPWiki a few days ago and have been using it to organize and build the notes for the sci-fi trilogy I've had rolling around in my head for years. Family? I just custom-rolled a photo book for my father-in-law that had restored copies of all his photos (gracias, Photoshop) and it arrived in hardcover (gracias, iPhoto). Road trip? Burning off CDs like mad from iTunes, including the ones I purchased from iTMS.
I'm a Mac OS X user for life. Period. I don't have to fuck around with all the annoying shit that amounts to day-to-day life on Windows/Linux.
Like an earlier poster, I used to bitch about the price of Macs. Then I got an OS X machine. The price is worthwhile -- it's no different than a car, a house, or any other consumer purchase -- you get what you pay for. And I'll happily shell out $129 for 10.4, or a few grand for a new Powerbook with 10.4. Because I have a computer that I use to work, not a computer that I have to spend hours or days trying to keep working.
Economy of Scale and Computer Whiners (Score:4, Informative)
People seem to repeatively rehash on the notion that spending $129 per .1 incremental OS update is expensive and not worthy of your hard earned funds.
The 10.x Model is very NeXTish in their 2.x, 3.x and 4.x phase of NeXTSTEP/Openstep before we ultimately merged with Apple.
Here is the rub. The Cost for Openstep User was $799, to go from NeXTSTEP 3.2 to 3.3 and to go from NeXTSTEP 3.3 to Openstep 4.0, so on and so forth.
The Developer CDs were $4999.
Educational User was $249. (I bought this package that was both User and Developer, before I went to work at NeXT)
Flashforward and we now get User/Developer for $129.
All I'm hearing is as the price goes down the Whining Increases exponentially.
DO YOU PEOPLE HAVE ANY BALLS?
HOW MANY OF YOU PISS MONEY DOWN THE DRAIN, DAILY?
Answer: ALL OF US
Apple Resources:We hear people discussing on how Apple has an Army of developers working on OS X.
Unless Steve suddenly changed years of development philosophy that Avie, John, Bertrand, Peter and others brought from NeXT to Apple such statements are PURE FANTASY.
Do most people know that only 12 Principle Architects/Core Developers worked on Openstep? Do most of you know that SQA @NeXT was a group of no more than 25 people (I know I worked in it)? Is it surprising that after the Hardware Days, NeXT kept only 300 employees yearly, world wide? See a pattern?
There are way more 3rd party developers banging away on the Beta code releases than their are in-house building the next release and there always will be.
Too many cooks spoil the soup.
With the emergence of Applications Engineering that houses all these new iLife apps and Professional apps even those teams will be lean and mean.
We all wore several hats at NeXT and at Apple when I worked there. Steve doesn't believe in bloat and when the IT Group alone, during the merger had over 500 employees with the single largest annual budget of over $40 million, not to mention over 180 in-house only applications built, can you take a guess which group got gutted first?
Within all this fat emerged a new Apple and one that will slowly get stronger, as time keeps showing.
P.S. As you can guess I'll spend the $129, and if I had an extra $1299 ($300 early bird registration) to WWDC--the best place for Business Networking within the Apple Dev Community, bar none. MacWorld is like a Rave where discussions of vinyl suited women on motorcycles (Iomega chicks) appears to be more important than Business discussions. If you are serious about being an Entrepreneur on the Mac platform, than get your ass to WWDC 2004.
Quartz Extreme (Score:4, Interesting)
For those that aren't familiar with it, Quartz Extreme, which was introduced in 10.2, uses OpenGL to "composite" your screen image. In other words, all application windows are bitmaps on your graphics card, and your graphics card puts them together to make the overlapping windows that you see.
In 10.2, the result was a 30% speed improvement for many operations, because the CPU no longer needed to spend as much time redrawing the screen. Eye candy like soft drop shadows on every window and on the mouse cursor, the Genie effect, and Dock magnification got a lot faster and smoother.
In 10.3, they added Expose and Fast User Switching (with a cool rotating animation) - neither of which would have been realistic without Quartz Extreme. Thanks to Quartz Extreme, my 733 MHz G4 had no problem Expose-ing 18 windows instantly, perfectly smoothly, including continuing to play a QuickTime movie while rearranging the windows! (Hint: hold down Shift while you press your Expose shortcut to watch it in slow motion!)
So anyway, in 10.4 I expect to see some major new OS feature that takes advantage of Quartz Extreme. Just think: they have the ability to instantly make any window partially transparent, rotate any window in 3-D, warp the whole desktop under the mouse, you name it - so I think there's a good chance they've come up with a clever new way to exploit this. Anyone could implement Expose on any OS - but without Quartz Extreme you couldn't possibly make it so fast and so smooth.
Re:Yet another Apple upgrade. (Score:4, Informative)
To the best of my knowledge the cost has remained a constant $129 USD.
Re:Yet another Apple upgrade. (Score:5, Informative)
Um, neither have Microsoft's upgrades. And by my math, multiple $99 or $129 Apple upgrades are going to cost more than one $99 or $129 Microsoft upgrade
Re:Yet another Apple upgrade. (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Yet another Apple upgrade. (Score:5, Informative)
What else Apple doesn't give you: Product Activation. They don't even require a serial number or product key. Just put the CD in the drive and go.
Re:Changes in 10.4? (Score:3, Funny)
- Faster internet
- Brighter colours
- Fruitier appearance
- More gay appeal
- Longer up-time
- Harder to crack
Re:Troll Posts asside, Apple seems stupid here... (Score:5, Insightful)
As long as the new versions are faster and offer new and innovative features I doubt that MacOS users will care too much.
Re:Troll Posts asside, Apple seems stupid here... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Troll Posts asside, Apple seems stupid here... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Troll Posts asside, Apple seems stupid here... (Score:4, Funny)
I can vouch for him! VNC on his desktop is actually responsive. I have to disable all the adware on his box, and when I fire up the spam-server things will slow to a crawl - but it's not *that* bad.
Clearly, there are benifits to putting speed over security.
Re:Troll Posts asside, Apple seems stupid here... (Score:5, Informative)
2000's updates were mostly security issues, a few Direct X upgrades (not something I consider an added value, but definitely important for games), Windows Media 9 which I actively work to keep away from everything, and some Journal Reader add-ins.
Had I decided to upgrade to XP, I would've gained an eye-bleed inducing green and blue color scheme by default, system restore, and...? As far as I can tell, with the exception of some bluetooth products and a few system hack-type programs (stuff to change the UI and so forth), XP would've been 2000 pretty edition (hence the NT 5.1). So in these accumulated 4 years and some change, I'd have paid somewhere between $350 and $500, depending on how I valued support and whether I felt it necessary to upgrade to XP (I don't). I'm sure some harder-core windows historians could tell me a few of the other things introduced, so feel free.
On my macs, I got 10.0 included with an iMac, and 10.1 for free (the free upgrade offer), but we'll call it $150 there to be fair (assuming that I bought 10.1 retail). I paid $129 for 10.2 and $129 for 10.3, which puts me in essentially the same price category. I've seen substantial speed improvements, particularly on my older hardware (a 450mhz g3 iMac and a 500mhz iBook), which alone makes upgrading even more worthwhile (in stark contrast to XP's potnetial to run slower on a given system out of the box). I've seen quartz extreme, encrypted filesystems, easier integration of X11, fast user switching, and expose all introduced in that span, as well.
Honestly, to me, it's worth the cash. I'll need to see what Tiger brings to the forefront, although I suspect that theories about heavy G5 optimizations are probably true. If it turns out that people start noticing it running faster on their older hardware, which is entirely possible given the track record, I'll drop my $129 again.
Re:Improvements (Score:4, Informative)
Well.... no, it's not. It'll be at least 6 months, probably more.
Finder is the top listing. So, you couldn't find files before? No tool to help you seek what you are looking for? Yes, yes there was. What does this top listed improvement give me? Hint: Pretty Icon layout. How much was that worth?
Actually they did vastly improve the Finder in Panther - and none of the improvements had anything to do with the icons (except for the colored labels). Off the top of my head, there's a new, highly convenient sidebar, and Folder Actions allow you to attach an Applescript to a folder any time something happens to said folder, which is really cool (and useful).
The improvements to Mail aren't eye candy - the biggest one, organizing email by discussion, is really nice, similar to what Google's webmail gives you, only in a desktop app.
Re:And as usual... (Score:5, Informative)
My problem with subscriptions... (Score:5, Insightful)
If you're paying an annual fee for something on an 18-month update cycle, you're going to have years where you pay the full subscription price for an an idle year.
Or, the vendor is going to feel compelled to deliver something that approximates the value, and bend the development schedule out of shape to force a release, usually at the cost of quality. (Been there, done that, still have the t-shirt.)
So far, I think Apple has done a pretty good job of adding value to each release.
What? (Score:3, Insightful)
What people do you know that buy a new car every year? Personally, I'm sick of this analogy. Software can be added to an existing computer - that's what computers do. To charge a large price for an upgrade that you really will need to get, is wholly wrong.
There are hundreds of software packages now that only run on 10.3 and higher. The same will be true for 10.4. There are certainly no "new r
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Re:But I thought Micro$oft was the money grabbing (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:But I thought Micro$oft was the money grabbing (Score:5, Insightful)
Um, ok, that's great. Good for you. Have a cookie.
Why are these articles filled with people saying, "I won't buy it"? Who gives a crap? Don't buy it!
Re:But I thought Micro$oft was the money grabbing (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Funny. (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Funny. (Score:4, Interesting)
I'm really sick of the "When Apple does it,
I'm not saying this is a permanent state of affairs. Companies can and do change. If you'd asked me twenty years ago, I'd have said that IBM would never be anything other than "Big Blue", a giant corporation sucking the life out of the industry by trading on name recognition to crush smaller companies that were doing all the real innovation. These days, IBM are the good guys. It may be that Microsoft will go through a similar change, and in twenty years they'll be an ally to small developers and desktop users, while Apple (or, more likely, some company we've barely even heard of in 2004) will be the giant evil force that's holding back the whole industry.
But right now: Microsoft is a bad corporation with bad products, Apple is a great corporation with great products, and there are a lot of people on
Re:Funny. (Score:4, Insightful)
I'm tired of the "Microsoft software must be gargabe".
Case in point: HDTV Community
Microsoft has released a free codec, encoder, and player which allows users to burn near-HD quality video onto a DVD. An episode of ER fits nicely onto a DVD with nearly the same quality as the original broadcast.
Case in point: Microsoft Office
Microsoft Office is head-and-shoulders above any other office suite. Give me this "openoffice is great" line and I'll show you ten people who hate OpenOffice. Microsoft Office is simly the easiest to use, most polished office suite available.
Case in point: DirectX
Microsoft is pushing the computer graphics industry forward with DirectX. Unlike with OpenGL, DirectX immediately standardizes new features. Developers don't have to choose between using proprietary extentions or not using the latest hardware features. Thanks to DirectX, there is a standardized, modern, high-quality interface to the GPU.
Case in point:
Case in point: Active Directory
Active Directory makes it far easier to centrally administer, configure, and upgrade PCs in a network environment.
Case in point: Windows Installer
Windows installer delivers both a command-line and GUI based framework for installing, repairing, and removing software. It is automatic and intelligent and can automatically install new components over the network as they are needed.
Microsoft's products don't suck. The fact is, people *don't* hate Microsoft. Ask ten people on the street.
If we really hated Microsoft, then why is everyone using Office and Windows? Oh, right, it's because of "file format lockin". Right. Because OpenOffice has no compatibility with MS Office.
People use Microsoft because it works. They can sit down, use their computer, and get on with their life.
Mac OS only runs on one brand of hardware. Linux has consistantly demonstrated that it is *not* ready for primetime on the desktop.
Windows is really the only viable desktop operating system for business. There is a reason why 95%+ of corporate desktops run Windows. Corporations know how to cut costs. Yet they still choose to use Windows. There is a reason for that.
Re:Fall Release Dates hurt Apple Education divisio (Score:4, Insightful)
One of my clients is about to move to OS X, and I'm moving them to a proven, well-tested-by-select-endusers build based on Jaguar (10.2.8) even though they're buying Panther licenses. One reason is because they live and die by Outlook, and Panther and Outlook 2001 in Classic are not best friends [google.com] (and no, Entourage X is not a solution because the Exchange connectivity is shit and will be until they give it MAPI).
~Philly