Happy Birthday Mac OS X 172
phillyclaude writes "Thanks to Wikipedia's Anniversaries page, I just realized Mac OS X turns three today! How could I forget such an important birthday?" Mac OS X 10.0 was released on March 24, 2001.
If all else fails, lower your standards.
Shouldn't that be .3 today (Score:4, Funny)
In that case... (Score:1, Funny)
Everybody complains about my Mass: the h4x0rs taxes; Gay-marriage YRO; and the BIG SIG.
Birthday Present (Score:5, Funny)
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I want one....
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I'd be _very_ interested in playing with a generic PPC970FX board (www.970eval.com [970eval.com]) with Linux, though, if it became affordable.
I'm _really_ hoping the new machines at end of summer come with PCI-E, so we can all get on with the task of migration at the same time as major processor upgrades.
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I think the 3ghz models will have PCI Express support. Steve loves to be first with the wiz bang gizmos and he wont use AGP if he can avoid it. That unit will be m
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> though, if it became affordable.
The eval board isn't, as you note, affordable. Neither are PowerMacs, though they are 'more' affordable.
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But if the 1.42ghz system is fast and smooth, a 3ghz must compile applications under fink in seconds. I bought a few games for mac to test it out, Ghost Recon, RTCW, plays smoothly. The system is stable, and I hardly ever get the little beachball busy cursor.
While I dont care for the mac way of user input and keyboard commands, I have found work arounds. I just wish I could use the more standard methods of GUI usage. I found some apps to make it more like other OS's. And I'm happy my Intellimouse and MS natural keyboard works on it, and drivers are downloadable from microsoft's site, if you want the extended features.
Also, while its mostly BSD underneath, and if you are a BSD user, you can figure most stuff out, HFS/HFS+ and the GUI takes a little getting used too. Getting proper termcap files are a little bit of a hassle, and a decent VGA fixed width type font (mac's are not fixed font oriented), but all in all, its a great OS.
I couldn't switch full time to OSX, because I play CS. But as a normal desktop, I use it all the time. Most of my applications run under screen on a linux box, so I just need a good term program.
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I just wish I could use the more standard methods of GUI usage.
What? Seeing how the Mac has been around longer than any other presently extant user interface, I'd say the Mac way is the standard way!
a decent VGA fixed width type font (mac's are not fixed font oriented)
Courier, Monaco, and Andale Mono are all installed on your machine by default. There's absolutely nothing wrong with them. In fact, Courier 14 with antialiasing is far easier to read on-screen than any other font. (VGA? What?)
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Seeing, I've used a GUI of some sort or basic text input/output on C64, Apple, Amiga, DOS, Win31-WinXP, Linux, BSD, Solaris and a old fitjistu mainframe The Mac is different on keystrokes combinations and cursor position movement. So, why would the Mac be the standard, if the rest of the world is the same?
Courier, Monaco, and Andale Mono are all installed on your machine by def
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Text input is little different on Windows than OSX. And since most OS's use a x86'ish type keyboard, the keys are different from a MAC. Logic here would show you, that it would be different.
So while you say the "Whole World" and try to go back before Windows and DOS, every modern OS uses basically th
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I don't know about you, but I use home and end, as well as page up and page down, to navigate through screens on my keyboard. Especially when I'm coding. On OSX.
The second is the way Mac's are more menu centric, when you cycle through a program, you cycle through the windows. On a other platforms, you cycle through the programs.
When you command-tab on the Mac, you cycle through the programs. This al
Fast as fuck (Score:1)
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It is PCI Express which I assume you're referring to, a quick google search confirms this.
PCI-E != PCI-X (Score:5, Informative)
PCI-Express, however, will be replacing both AGP _and_ PCI slots, so all your peripherals will be using the same technology, albeit in different form factors (16x connector for AGP replacement, 1x or 4x connectors for most everything else). I believe it's 250MB/s (each direction?) per 'x' of connector length in PCI-E, so this will be a substantial improvement in bandwidth on PCI-E systems.
Re:PCI-E != PCI-X (Score:3, Informative)
"The PCI-X protocol supports high-performance PCI devices, increasing speeds from 33MHz to 133MHz and throughput from 266 Mbps to 2GBps."
It may not be PCI-E, but it's definitely not plain old 66 MHz PCI.
thanks for helping with the math. (Score:4, Funny)
Thanks, Pudge...I wasn't sure if 2004 - 3 was the proper operation for determining the original year based on an anniversary.
Re:thanks for helping with the math. (Score:3, Funny)
>NOT A TROLL I OWN A MAC
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-fred
Expose (Score:4, Insightful)
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Here's to hoping that when they do, apple has created something even better...
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They do (Score:2, Informative)
I haven't tried it nor do I know anyone who as but... well... there it is.
fs
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It was spammed to me. In addition to my usual sending of spam complaints to hosts, I sent a copy off to Apple Legal.
Shortly thereafter, the product name was changed.
Shortly thereafter, the company web site was dead.
I believe they're out of business completely now. Thank God. Fucking spammers deserve all that, plus a few smacks to the head with a baseball bat.
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I'm seeing a pattern....
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WinExpose -- their real site is www.winexpose.com.
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Ah. See, I thought you were an idiot. :)
It isn't necessarily a bad assumption... they're about a dime a dozen on slashdot some days. :)
Happy OS X user (Score:5, Interesting)
It will be interesting to see where we stand with OS X 10.6 when Longhorn finally releases. Most interesting is the fact that MS makes a big song and dance about OSS destroying the software industry whereas Apple has built a very nice symbiotic relationship with OSS. Proves the lie. In reality what threatens MS is serious competition that can't just be bought out.
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Seriously though, by the time Longhorn is supposed to come out (2 or 3 years, assuming no more delays) OS X will be 5 ot 6 (or more) years old. I would think by then it would get bumped to XI.
Re:Happy OS X user (Score:4, Informative)
There's been a lot of talk to the effect that Apple is not likely to abandon the catchy-sounding "OS X" name. ("O S X I" doesn't sound as cool as "O S X"....) So will they call it "OS X Eleven" or "OS X Two point Oh" or what? Who knows?! As much as the OS might deserve a full new version number, the marketing aspect of it definitely pulls in the direction of keeping "OS X" as long as possible.
zach
Re:Happy OS X user (Score:2, Informative)
The name of the operating system is "Mac OS X," and it's pronounced "Mac Oh Ess Ten." The version number is not part of the name. The version number, presently, is 10.3.3. In a few months it'll be 10.4, and in a few years it'll be 11.0. But they're not gonna change the name of the OS when that happens.
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If I was in charge of the decision but told to try to keep it sort of the same, I would call it "Mac OS X2" or something like that. That X makes such a perfect logo. Maybe "OS X+" or some such. You know, keep the "Mac OS X" part as the platform (like saying "Windows" or "Linux") and then adding the version n
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On the contrary, "O S X I", obviously pronounced "Oh, Sexy" sounds very cool indeed.
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I'd think this would be an ideal branding opportunity;
...to promote the i-mac-product-of-the-month bra
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They'll find a way to keep OS X, OS X even beyond 10.9, I'm sure.
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Certainly in my case I hardly ever actually use Windows. My job means I use UNIX all day long, the nice thing about OS X is that I have a copy of MS Office X on my Mac which means I have few problems dealing with the day to day issues. I didn't buy my Mac to play games on (although it isn't bad at them) but I do have a number of Windows games I like to play. I haven't booted Windows in a week or so
Re:Happy OS X user (Score:2)
I personaly do use windows on another computer. I own two computers one of which is my mac, the other is my PC. The PC has both Linux and Windows. I have it for the odd compatability issue (like my uni courses require a hardware emulator that is windows only, though I'm helping write the mac version) and for the occasional LAN game. But for the most part I could leave the compute
Re:Happy OS X user (Score:2)
well, I use windows at work due to lack of choice, but at home, I don't even have a windows computer. I used to use freebsd on the desktop (not even dual boot, it was the sole OS on the machine) and now I have a mac, I use that at home instead.
the last time I used windows at home for any real purpose was several years ago.
will that do?
incidentally, I noticed your nick is amiga_lover. as an ex amiga user (I st
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I've always had Macs at home. At work I have used assorted Unix systems. This year I've gone completely Mac, replacing my Linux machine with a PowerMac G5.
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At work I use a Red Hat machine for about 80% of my work, and a Windows 2000 machine pretty much just for our
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i'm a j2ee application developer among a few other things. I have a 1.25Ghz 15" AlBook, prior to that i was on one of the original 400mhz TiBooks. I do coding, networking, office stuff, email stuff, browsing, just about everything you can ever do on a computer. Granted i'm not much of a gamer. I've played UT2K3 and JediKnight II and Jedi Knight Academy just fine on this AlBook. I've networked and interoperated just fine with windoz machines, all seemless. Exchanged office documents back and forth from the
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Another Mac birthday! (Score:2)
Switching views (Score:5, Insightful)
Who else here used to hate macs until OS X, and now uses it as their primary machine? I'm sure I'm not alone.
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While I try not to get caught up in all the "PowerBook
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Assuming you manage to graduate despite the onus of that half-literate gibberish you're spewing, you're going to make a fantastic impression on your clients some day. Poor spelling and grammar is simply a sign of laziness, particularly at the university level.
Correct spelling and grammar is an important part of "experessing" yourself well. Don't assume you're so brilliant that the rest of us have any interest in slogging through the steaming mess you've written just to glean the dubious benefits of your self-proclaimed eloquence.
Spelling and grammar are part and parcel of the content of a post. Consequently, it is reasonable to take someone to task for a failing which should have been corrected around age ten. It is also reasonable to suspect that an intellect lacking in the comparatively simple skills of spelling and grammar may prove equally lacking in the ability to produce useful or interesting insights -- let alone the ability to relate those insights to others saddled with the considerable disadvantage of such grossly incompetent communication skills.
Rather than fly into some sort of barely-comprehensible rage, consider what I've written, read and learn from it, and please do not return until you can spell at least as well as a young child.
It's a shame, too. I did find your original post interesting. I considered responding to it. But it was such a disgusting example of near-illiteracy, I decided I preferred to avoid engaging you in conversation. In a way, I was embarassed on your behalf.
Good luck with whatever you end up doing. You're going to need it.
Re:-1, Condescending (Score:2)
The same might be said for your post. Besides, some people need things spelled out for them. Get it? Spelled out? I should charge you people admission.
Re:Switching views (Score:5, Interesting)
I basically used Macs (mostly my good old LC II) untill about the time the Pentium came out and that's about when I got my first PC (a 386 clone) and I've been a PC person every since.
Now I had USED Macs during that time, I just didn't own one. I've always had a soft spot in my heart for Macs (their design elegance, I though the interface was quite nice, etc) but I wouldn't have bought one (except as a second/spare/extra/toy comptuer) because of the OS. OS 8/9 wasn't BAD, but it wasn't as modern as Windows 9x or what I could do on Linux. I wouldn't have wanted to use it for a main computer. Add to that the speed difference that started to appear and that I played lots of games and that I liked to build computers and a Mac just wasn't an option.
But the OS (my biggest problem) because OS X which I have to admit I drool over. If I could buy it to put on my PCs (even if it cost $350 or so) I'd do it. It's got the Unix core (which thanks to Linux I've come to LOVE) but the great modern no fuss desktop. I don't play that many computer games any more (and those that I do then to be things that will get ported to the Mac anyways, even if I have to wait 6 months). I have moved to using a laptop almost exclusively (so building is out of the question, not to mention that I just don't have too much time to do that with my main computer, only "extra" computers). And now with computers getting so much faster than what I need most of the time (a G4 would be more than enough for me most of the time, but I drool over that G5). I've basically made up my mind that my next computer will be a Mac (probably laptop. I can't wait for iBook G5s. I'm not hurting so I can survive).
In summary I didn't "hate" Macs, but I wouldn't have bought one. They were outdated and dying for me compared to the "Wintel" side of things. But now Macs are back (with a VENGENCE). OS X fixed my biggest problem with Macs (the rest I could have survived). And not only did it FIX the problem, it added a Unix core that I envy. And while most things on Windows "Just Work" pretty well, these days when I don't have much free time to screw around with computer issues the "it nearly ALWAYS Just Works" of a Mac is majorly appealing too. Fixing my own computer problems (you know, the oddities of Windows and installing hardware/etc) is no longer challenging or entertaining in ANY way, it's just an annoyance. Years ago there was often something I would LEARN by going through all that stuff (even if I shouldn't have had to), but now it's just a pain.
Hold on little iBook G5... I'll be comming for you!
Re:Switching views (Score:5, Interesting)
I've always felt exactly the same way about System 7 through OS 9. I had used it a fair amount in college, and never really disliked it. Nice interface, but not nearly enough power to get at the internals for me to use it as my main machine. I was a Linux person (and later FreeBSD) and you could pry that from my cold, dead fingers.
Still, I bought a PowerMac 7600 running 7.5 back in 1996. It served one specific purpose (and still does today, running OS 8.6) as the centerpiece of my home recording studio, running Digital Performer. It was always my music machine and nothing else. Everything else was done on my Unix PC. Actually starting in 2000, I began dabbling in movie editing, using this little program from Apple called iMovie. So then the Mac had exactly two functions.
I had been lusting after OS X since I first starting reading about it, with the Developer Previews. Of course, my little Mac wasn't going to run it well enough to bother, but I wanted it. Finally in 2002, we decided that we wanted to make a video of our upcoming wedding, but we wanted to do it cheap. Of course this was the perfect opportunity to sneak in my desire to try OS X, especially since I'd already become proficient with iMovie. So we got a new Power Mac G4 and a DV camera (the wedding DVD turned out great).
Now the G4 is my primary machine. Terminal is still my most used app, but the rest of it is so much nicer than anything else. The FreeBSD PC sits headless in the corner as the household firewall/router/server. It's setup nicely and I don't want to tinker with it anymore for day to day stuff (that was fun in college, but not so much anymore). We bought an iBook for the wife about a year and a half ago, and we'll never go back. Interestingly, I still keep the 7600 around for music stuff. I had planned to upgrade my Digital Performer for OS X and move all the music stuff to the G4, but the 7600 works so well that I never bothered. It worked great for writing some music for the wedding, and I actually mixed the sound for the wedding video on it because iMovie doesn't give as much control. Perfect!
And then there's work. It's a Windows world. Everyone has a PC, and Mac/Apple are practically dirty words. We use Unix workstations in my group, mostly Sun and SGI. But those are getting to be pretty overpriced in the workstation market for the performance you get. We needed some Unix laptops that could still run Microsoft Office, so I managed to justify a couple of PowerBooks. Then we needed a file server with a couple terabytes that could serve our Unix machines and PCs. Hmm, Power Mac G5 + Xserve RAID. Management wanted to know why we weren't going with a Windows server. Aside from the lower cost vs. comparable Dell or IBM solutions, I think the lack of viruses was a big selling point. Serves NFS automounts, SMB, integrates with NIS, printers, web server, runs our scientific codes faster than any big iron workstation we have. I'd like to see a Windows machine do all of that as well!
So uh, happy birthday, Mac OS X. I know my computing life is much easier and enjoyable because of it. Though now it's kind of frustrating to use anything else. :) With OS X I get to have my cake (gui interface, expose) and eat it too (command line)!
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1) Intense or unrestrained sexual craving.
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4)Obsolete. Pleasure; relish.
Re:Switching views (Score:2)
that is my guess.
NOTE: i bought my 12" aluminum 1ghz powerbook in january, love it to death, would use it 24/7 if at all possible, and it is worth a few extra bucks over an ibook. Also, i have noticed i get a bit above 'avera
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I said iBook mostly because of the size. I love my large Dell laptop (I knew it was large when I bought it, I liked it) but my needs are changing and a small/light laptop is starting to appeal to me, and that's probabl
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O, and upgrade your ram thirdparty. Apple charges too much for builtin ram upgrades, and Mac OS X very much takes advantage of all available ram(though runs just fine o
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But after upgrading to XP I started looking more and more at apple.com, and when XP went belly up on me last November I bought an iBook.
Never looked back.
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It was, by 1998 standards, anyway, and I really liked the overall design of the system. But I still used the Unix machine for emacs and programming.
When the public beta came out, I put it on my dual processor G4 and switched almost entirely to the Mac immediately. I've been really happy with it ever since, so now I have a G5 at home, a G4 tower at work and a G4 PowerBook for the road.
Great systems, all of them. I couldn't be happier.
D
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then i got a job.
i got hooked on Unix myself, then eventually Plan 9 and Inferno (still hooked). and i cam
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If you'd just liked Macs then, maybe you could've been more than friends!
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Mac OS X Release History (Score:5, Informative)
Anyway, you can access it at http://www.goo.cc/macosx.html
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Mac OS 10.2's official release date was August 24th [apple.com]. They had a special starting at 10:20PM the night before at some Apple stores.
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Powerbook rumors? (Score:2, Offtopic)
Suffering severe OS X lust I am days, nay hours, away from my first Mac in 10 or so years.
Cheers,
Bill
Re:Powerbook rumors? (Score:3, Informative)
-matt
Not late, just went AWOL (Score:2)
Even tho you are an AC my ego forces me to correct the record. I had a Mac LC [apple-history.com] before I joined forces with Satan.
Cheers!
have u ever considered ... (Score:2)
I've been with Apple for a while. (Score:4, Interesting)
present (Score:5, Funny)
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I don't mind upgrading the Mac OS X operating system every year, simply because they really do add features that are worthwhile to the new build, not just adding a new look and feel (a la windows). When was the last time that you actually upgraded to a new windows version and it was actually faster? (Generally to upgrade to a new windows system, you really needed to buy a new computer).
You are looking at $AU 455 for an upgrade to the Windows professional, and even then you don't get everyth
Too bad... (Score:5, Funny)
Again...
Another year, another upgrade! (Score:2)
Re:Another year, another upgrade! (Score:2)
err... so which are you saying is better then?
dave
Um, question (Score:2)
Huzzah! (Score:2)
I have used macs since middle school in the middle nineties, but I had to convert to Windows because my parents wouldn't buy me a new mac.
After I got my iBook though, I found this funny little "Terminal" application, I discovered Darwin, 6 months later I picked up a trashed PC box, and installed redhat, then FreeBSD, and fell in love.
Thanks Apple, not just for an awesome OS with my awesome computer; but
She's older than that (Score:2)
Been on Mac a loooong time (Score:3, Interesting)
I remember writing a Tron game with friends in my highschool cs class where, since the mac didn't have the CPU to do collision detection via line-to-line intersections in real time and not enough memory to make a bitfield for testing, we ended up using the screen memory itself for collision detection. The game rocked, actually.
Since I'm a professional graphic designer by day, I've *always* been on mac, except for a short detour from 2001 to 2003 when my boss insisted I work on a PC... Thank god I got out of that one.
I have to say, nonetheless, that while the migration to OS X was painful, ultimately, it's been good.
Happy birthday! And many more beleaguered years!
office depot customers bought 3 days early! (Score:4, Interesting)
Man...it HAS been a long time - i forget all the details - except for the one where my wife asked "Wait, did you just buy it twice? I thought you had ordered it from Apple thru your friend there?"
me: "But dude, i got it NOW!!!! Long before everyone else!!!"
Ah... i miss those days.... no sleep prior to a major OS release to be first in line at Frys....
man, i'm old now. i don't do fun things like that any more.
3 years and still no: (Score:3, Insightful)
It is frustrating at the least - to keep Classic on a computer so my daughter can play "Blues Clues"... or "Dora the Explorer"...
But in every other aspect - OSX rocks - it got me to switch to a Mac. And then to buy three more of them. And then buy a couple iPods, an iSight, and a bit of software... I would say OSX has been successful, at least in *my* household. All my x86/Windows machines have since been given to Goodwill...
Solution (Score:3, Funny)
Keep the Faith (Score:2, Interesting)
And that day was when MacOS X was released.
Praise all people involved! From the iCEO to the employer that wraps the box.
I Made "The Switch" (Score:2, Interesting)
More like 2 or 2.5 yrs, not three. (Score:2, Interesting)
OS X 10.0 may have been released on that date, but I wouldn't call that the "real" OS X... most people, including myself, considered that version more of a beta than a final release, even though Apple had already released an official "beta" some months before that. IMO, OS X didn't become a "real" OS until version 10.1.
I'm such a geek... (Score:2)
*sigh*
I'll be in the doghouse for a while, I'm sure. Figuratively speaking, of course.
Re:Familial birthdays (Score:3, Informative)
The first version to be labeled Mac OS X was Mac OS X Server 1.0 which was release on 16th March 1999.
Aqua first appeared in DP3: 14th February 2000 and there it was first recognisable at a glance as the same OS that we use today.
So Mac OS X could also be 4, 5, 14 or 15 years old depending on how you want to look at it.