Gentoo LiveCD for PowerPC G5 84
The announcement continues "Installation is possible on the SATA drives. We are now hard at work to create optimized stages, and the store will carry G5 LiveCDs when stage building is finished. Right now you can bootstrap your own G5-optimized system, or use a generic ppc stage3 install with GRP to install Gentoo in 20 minutes. We would like to thank benh (PPC kernel developer) for his excellent work in supporting the G5, as well as all users who tested the ISO, and particularly IBM System Software researcher Eric Van Hensbergen, who provided fantastic test/debug help during the LiveCD development process."
Ahh fan speed (Score:1, Funny)
I now know why the things are not fitted on castors.
Re:Ahh fan speed (Score:1, Insightful)
The smells like a troll. Nothing like a personal anecdote to support one's opinion.
Re:Ahh fan speed (Score:1, Offtopic)
More importantly, who modded this up? Nothing like a comment from an Anonymous COWARD.
Re:Ahh fan speed (Score:1)
Re:Ahh fan speed (Score:2)
Coward.
Re:Ahh fan speed (Score:2)
Coward.
Re:Ahh fan speed - maybe not troll (Score:3, Interesting)
You don't notice it immediately, unless you try and use the hung machine of course. Slowly, the fans speed up because the hardware isn't hearing from the monitoring daemon. It does, in fact, sound like a jet reving up and it gets pretty damn loud.
So far, thi
Re:Ahh fan speed - maybe not troll (Score:1)
Re:Ahh fan speed - maybe not troll (Score:2)
I doubt it was caused by static. It happened twice to me and the desk in on an anti-static mat. It'd have to be pretty darn sensitive to react to the amount of static I could have delivered.
Will the G5 livecd work on G4s? (Score:2)
Just wondering if there are going to be G5 distro's only now, or will they be backward compatible.
Re:Will the G5 livecd work on G4s? (Score:5, Informative)
OK, if you didn't survive that, let's put it this way. The CDs work "UP" the processor list, but not "DOWN" (unless there is some specific bug that would prevent the G3 CD from working with the G5s, for example).
So will there be specific G5 distros? Not any more than there are specific Pentium IV distros or Athlon distros.
Re:Will the G5 livecd work on G4s? (Score:3, Informative)
If the G5 were just a faster version of the G4 with one or two extra instructions, I expect the same would be true. But since it isn't, people will be much more interested in distributions that are (a) compiled from scratch or (b) available in binary G5
Re:Will the G5 livecd work on G4s? (Score:3, Informative)
But if you're using the LiveCD as a DEMO CD for Linux, then you're right. But for installing, it's not too big a deal.
PS: Go Gentoo!
Re:Will the G5 livecd work on G4s? (Score:2)
Re:Will the G5 livecd work on G4s? (Score:2)
Re:Will the G5 livecd work on G4s? (Score:2)
Re:Will the G5 livecd work on G4s? (Score:2)
Then why have the Yellow Dog mailing lists been full of people saying "when can I get my hands on any version of Linux that will run on my new G5 please please please"?
Re:Will the G5 livecd work on G4s? (Score:2)
Gentoo vs Yellow Dog? (Score:1)
CharlesP
Re:Gentoo vs Yellow Dog? (Score:4, Interesting)
Now, for my opinion: I try to avoid RedHat-based distributions as much as possible, so I'd go for Debian (if I just want it to work) or Gentoo (if I'm feeling adventurous).
Re:Gentoo vs Yellow Dog? (Score:1)
Re:Gentoo vs Yellow Dog? (Score:2)
You have no options, at least with an internal drive. Installing Linux requires a partition that is not merely "formatted", but rather it must be Free Space, totally unallocated. (Presumably, so it can lay down it's own filesystem, ext3? I'm a newb also.) I have not found a way to make a single partition "Free Space" without repartitioning the entire drive.
So--even if you did have a spare partition, unless it was not given a filesystem during the original partition setup, you're back to repartion and in
Use parted (Score:3, Informative)
From the FAQ [gentoo.org]:
The downside to this is that the current Live CD may not work on your box due to a frim
Re:Use parted (Score:2)
I wasn't aware of the tool "parted". However, their info page [gnu.org] says that, while it can read HFS partitions, it is not one of the format types that it can resize. Unless the tool on the CD is newer than the documentation, I think it's no-go.
If you've successfully used this tool on an HFS partition, I would be sure interested to know.
Re:Use parted (Score:2)
Thereare a few mentions of it on the forums [gentoo.org]
Here [gentoo.org]
here [gentoo.org]
and here [gentoo.org]
I know that's not what you wanted to hear (first hand experience), but it's better than a sharp stick in the eye
Re:Gentoo vs Yellow Dog? (Score:1)
Re:Gentoo vs Yellow Dog? (Score:1)
Re:Gentoo vs Yellow Dog? (Score:1)
I must say that the sound devices in the iBook (and I understand in all macs) is TERRIBLE in Linux, the volume does very strange things like change which side of stero sound you recieve. Other than that, things wen
Re:Gentoo vs Yellow Dog? (Score:5, Informative)
Basically:
Re:Gentoo vs Yellow Dog? (Score:2, Informative)
It takes a while, but you have nothing installed that you don't want.
I used it on x86 because, In MY opinion, its the best system. SuSE comes close, but gets into too much of a confused mess.
I also found gentoo easier to install than debian. They have a
Cooling (Score:1)
Re:Cooling (Score:2)
i don't know about you, but I am afraid of any kind of liquid near anything that is powered by electricity. electric shock is the first thing that comes to mind.
Re:Cooling (Score:1)
Ah yes, all of those 1.5 volts running the CPU core can really do some serious damage...
Actually, you don't feel anything below about 50V. Conduction through the water adds more resistance, so that figure is higher. You'd need leakage into the power supply to do anything, highly unlikely as the PS is at the top of the case and the gravity vector points down.
Now, damage to the equipment itself is another matter. Conduction isn't much of an issu
Re:Cooling (Score:1)
He might have meant jet fuel, or Methel Ethyl Keytone or any other number of things far worse than water. Since you're being paranoid and all, maybe even something radioactive.
Re:Cooling (Score:2)
Re:Cooling (Score:1)
Re:Cooling (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:Cooling (Score:2)
Which ones?
Probably never, since water cooling doesn't make the heatsink(s) and fans smaller or cheaper.
Re:Cooling (Score:2)
Are you implying that Apple tries to cut corners wherever they can, becasue if so you're sorely mistake. They won't use water cooling becasue it's more maintanence. You gotta fill it up which most mac users don't want to do. Also leaks will happen adn they are very bad.
Re:Cooling (Score:1)
32 bits?? (Score:1)
(slow down, cowboy)
Question for Mac Linuxers (Score:4, Interesting)
But what about Macintoshes? Your systems already come with a highly optimised BSD, why would anyone ever want to install Linux? Sure Aqua is proprietary, but can't you just compile && install vanilla XFree and run it on top of the Darwin/Mach/BSD core?
What is the reason for using the Linux kernel explictly, when you already have a GNU compatible toolchain and base system available out of the box?
I'm not trying to troll or anything, I'm seriously asking this question of Macintosh users, mainly since I have my eye (and my chequebook) on a PowerBook...
Re:Question for Mac Linuxers (Score:1)
So, to ask your question more broadly, why should anybody run Linux?
(this is meant as sarcasm, folks....)
Re:Question for Mac Linuxers (Score:3, Interesting)
- Open Source. Darwin is already open source. Using XFree rather than Aqua also means more open source.
- Stable. Darwin is already stable.
- Secure. OSX seems fairly secure and its toolchain is obviously as secure as FreeBSD's.
- Compatible. I don't know about this one, but it seems a lot of software can easily be ported from Linux & BSD to Darwin. How different are the kernel headers and so on?
Re:Question for Mac Linuxers (Score:1)
> owned a Macintosh. I'd probably just leave OSX running.
It was probably out of habit, but the first thing I did after I bought a new Powerbook (previous computer was a Dell Inspiron dual-booting Red Hat 9 and Windows XP) was repartition the disk, leaving room for Yellow Dog Linux. So I started that install, then started reading... "Newest ATI cards not yet supported... Temperature controls may not work
Re:Question for Mac Linuxers (Score:3, Insightful)
Sure, but again, why? The lastest MacOS X (10.3) comes with XFree86 4.3.0 as a supported binary.
IMHO, the biggest difference between MacOS X and a dual-boot Winux box is that you don't have to reboot the Mac to run Excel after you've been using GIMP. :-)
Re:Question for Mac Linuxers (Score:2, Informative)
Driver support can be easier as Apple computers are much less of a moving target than the myriad x86 laptops, each with their own blend of proprietary hardware. Compare how many models of laptops a company like Sony puts out, and then multiply that by every PC manufa
Re:Question for Mac Linuxers (Score:2)
Re:Question for Mac Linuxers (Score:2)
Other than that, I can't find a good enough reason to run Linux on this thing... Whil
Re:Question for Mac Linuxers (Score:2, Interesting)
Darwin is a very odd UNIX, as well (.dynlib, Mach-O binary format), so a more famvilar UNIX like Linux or NetBSD might be a fine choice for the excellent G5 hardware.
lmbench numbers backing up my OS claim [terizla.org]
Re:Question for Mac Linuxers (Score:1)
Well, the kernel architecture of OS X is very different then linux. OS X uses a microkernel architecture, and the mach kernel, which is very different from the standard linux kernel.
Device drivers for OS X are written differently as well, making use of IOKit, a nice C++ interface to the device tree which linux does not have. I havent written an IOKit driver, so i cant say which is easier, but personal prefernce on that front might make a driver developer choose linux over OS X.
There are some other diff
G5 fans must be on 100%. (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:G5 fans must be on 100%. (Score:2)
Re:G5 fans must be on 100%. (Score:1)
Why couldn't they have made the fans and cooling system a seperate function independent of the Operating System. It could be driven by independent contr
Re:G5 fans must be on 100%. (Score:2)
Re:G5 fans must be on 100%. (Score:2)
Now THATs pretty cool.
Re:G5 fans must be on 100%. (Score:2)
Re:G5 fans must be on 100%. (Score:2)
I'm not sure if they are selling yet or not. I'm pretty sure they don't have support in YDL for the fan control yet though.
Re:G5 fans must be on 100%. (Score:1)
Linux fan control support (Score:2)
Re:Linux fan control support (Score:1)
Re:Linux fan control support (Score:2)
Why use up CPU cycles controlling the fans? (Score:1, Interesting)
It seems strange that they wouldn't use an independent circuit for this sort of thing. A solid state one, even.
Re:Why use up CPU cycles controlling the fans? (Score:2)
As I mentioned in another post, the control of the fan is smarter than just reacting to temperature probes. The software that controls the system will actually predictively cool when CPU load goes up, before the thermometers on the board actually register the increase.
Re:Waste of a Mac (Score:1, Insightful)
I don't think Linux has anything to to with that.
G5 users, before getting ISO (Score:1)
You'll be able to hear fans at Max speed...
Oh the noise... Anyways, Apple will help kernel developers I guess...
Besides being funny, G5 is like a jet on such situation, be warned.
They're not lying... this time. (Score:2)
What other distribution would tolerate this behavior?
Re:They're not lying... this time. (Score:2)