iTunes Disables MusicMatch 582
spooza writes "If you own an iPod and use it with MusicMatch on a Windows machine and then install iTunes, strange things happen: after the installation, MusicMatch is unable to communicate or even find the iPod anymore. Of course this might be a coincidence or bad programming on the Apple side, but since MusicMatch also introduced a pay-per-download service it seems not too farfetched to suspect that Apple simply took the opportunity to knock out an opponent. The funny thing is, Apple and MusicMatch cooperated before, because Apple wanted to have software that was able to work with iPod and thus not lose potential customers that want to buy an iPod but have only Windows." MusicMatch recommends deleting, then downloading and reinstalling, the MusicMatch software to reenable it.
Feature? (Score:2, Funny)
As well as xplay... (Score:3, Informative)
They announced this (Score:5, Informative)
I don't even have an iPod and yet i know this.
Re: (Score:2)
Re:They announced this (Score:4, Insightful)
Are they really competition? I guess they sort of are... but then again, Apple WAS bundling MusicMatch with the iPod all along until they released iTunes.
I guess the way I see it - they deliberately disabled what they considered an older version of the iPod software (MusicMatch) in favor of the newer version (iTunes).
Re:They announced this (Score:2, Insightful)
I don't even use Gator and yet I know this.
Re:They announced this (Score:3, Informative)
I don't know about the Windows version but the Mac version asks if you want to reorganize your mp3s when you first run it. If you're talking about ongoing behavior, check your preferences.
Re:Only if you tell it! (Score:5, Funny)
Should it be less easy to miss important messages in a dialog box? Yes. How should it be done? By programs not crying "Wolf!" all the time. If you want to blame someone, don't blame Apple. Blame the people who write programs that pop up dialog boxes for things like, "You have requested a web page from the Internet. Are you sure you wish to continue?" in web browsers.
Oh, and blame yourself for not reading the dialog box. Asking OS mfg's to protect you from your own stupidity only fosters more stupidity.
Sorry. Tough love, and all that.
Re:They announced this (Score:3, Insightful)
Don't you think this is a bit of strange angle to attack a poster from in a thread regarding a DRM program from Apple, porte
Re:They announced this (Score:5, Insightful)
I totally disagree. Copyright is not a natural right; it is a limited privilege extended to works for the purpose of promoting intellectual progress. The copyright holder has limited rights concerning the redistribution of works, but they do not and cannot "decide what you can and can't do." Beyond preventing you from redistributing the work in a manner that impedes intellectual progress, they should have no further legal powers. I believe the DMCA gives copyright holders powers that are not authorized by the Constitution and go completely against the goal of copyright law.
Re:They announced this (Score:2)
Re:Except When It Isn't (Score:5, Insightful)
This is like saying: "I never wanted to go out at night anyways, so how is this curfew a restriction." I have no desire at all to read comic books - yet if somebody decided that I could never read comic books I would still be angry.
The fact of the matter is that there are restrictions ("up to three computers") and the only way that ITMS can enforce them is by making sure that the software controls how you can access the data on your own computer. What I am saying is that that relationship between ourselves and our computers (the one where they place restrictions on us, however innouxious those restrictions may be) is one that we should never accept in the first place.
Just like I demand freedom of speech as a principle, not as something on which I will accept restrictions as long as I don't notice them, I demand control over my own computer and the data in it as a principle.
The rest of iTunes has no DRM incorporated. What this entire story is about is not any form of DRM, but Apple replacing MusicMatch's functionality with their own.
I wasn't replying to that, I was replying to the person who linked to an article about (among other things DRM) and tried to use that as a reason to make Macs better than PCs. The simple truth is that as of ITMS Macs have embraced the idea that users should be subjects to their computers just as much as Microsoft has with WMP and Palladium.
(Of course, I wasn't moderated down as being offtopic but rather overrated, as any comment critical of Apple invariably is if it reaches a score greater than three. At least this time the similiarly inevitable +5 modded flame quoted my entire post...)
Besides, if you own an iPod and you've download iTunes,
This is the argument I am uninterested it. As far as I am concerned, this just sounds like the typical antics of closed software programs, and is one of the reasons I only use free software. But, I want to comment that you are falling for the same fallacy here as you are with DRM.
It is not OK to break into somebody's house and replace a belonging with something else even if everybody you do it will like what you leave better than what you took (I don't want to argue whether this is a case of that, but in the quoted text above you are saying "this would be ok even if it was.") Our freedoms, our integrity, and our self determination are principles of humanity - it is not OK to step on them even when it isn't inconvenient for us.
So would you and whichever moderator modded you up remove your tinfoil hats?
Since I have gone from being scared to deeply depressed about this issue (mostly after seeing the majority of Slashdot suddenly embrace the concept of DRM once they realized they could get something in return for it) I wish it wouldn't worry me, but I see nothing "tinfoil hat" about it.
It is Microsoft and media industry's stated aim to have remote attestation built into the fabric of the web, so that websites will use DRM for their content, so that communication will only be possible between DRM enabled users, etc etc. I thought Slashdotters and maybe even Mac-heads would fight the takeover of our computers by programs hostile toward us, but instead they have become the backers and defenders of the process. It seems little other than inevitable now that we will not in a few years face a closed, proprietary, and restricted Internet.
Re:They announced this (Score:4, Interesting)
Guess what. No undo. I experimented with a feature of the program (it didn't say what "organize the MP3's" meant, and I was curious) and I couldn't undo what it did.
If it had SAID "You can't undo this!" I would have read more to figure out what it meant. However, since it was an Apple program, I assumed that they were following their own guidelines.
And I got fooked.
Re:Undo is an inverse transaction (Score:3, Funny)
because the obvious opposite of the "Organize" command is "Disorganize," and they can't be asked to spend the time impliment that in a manner tailored to everybody's personal disorganization scheme
Apple tells you this when you download iTunes (Score:5, Informative)
MusicMatch was a bandaid for Apple when they did not have a Windows software client.
Game on.
Re:Apple tells you this when you download iTunes (Score:2, Insightful)
You are now installing Windows XP. If you have previously installed any third-party Internet browsers or email programs, they may not function properly after the upgrade. Microsoft does not support the use of third-party Internet browsers and email programs. If you want to use those functions, you must use Internet Explorer and Outlook Express, or use an operating system not published by Microsoft.
<I Understand and Agree>"
It's kind of funny to see how Slashdotters race to the defense o
Re:Apple tells you this when you download iTunes (Score:3, Interesting)
Ok, on one hand you have a company a with ~5% OS marketshare writing software for another OS and specifically telling people it will disable certain other software on the system.
On the other hand, you have a company with ~95% OS marketshare bundling apps (such as a web browser) with their OS in order to crush the competition by leveraging the power of the
Re:Apple tells you this when you download iTunes (Score:3, Insightful)
If this is the case, I never again want to hear complaints about the terrible things Microsoft has done before they were actually convicted of monopolistic practices, nor the terrible things they have done in markets where they don't have monopoly status.
Apple does this shit again and again, its despicable business practice, and I'm sick of people
Re:Apple tells you this when you download iTunes (Score:2)
If not, then this is a different situation--Apple's software DOES warn you.
Besides, if I installed different software to access my USB printer/scanner, I'd expect the current software to stop working... *shrug*
--RJ
Re:Apple tells you this when you download iTunes (Score:3, Insightful)
"Acting" like a monopoly? Who cares if companies act like monopolies? More so, who cares if companies ARE monopolies? Only thing we care about is when compan
Re:Apple tells you this when you download iTunes (Score:3, Insightful)
choice (Score:2)
additionally, my understanding is that music match still functions, though not with the ip
Re:Apple tells you this when you download iTunes (Score:3, Insightful)
So, basically Apple is saying "If you buy our product it will only work with our other (free) product."
That's like being pissed when someone says "If you buy our Linux database, it will only work with the (free) Linux OS." "WTF? What happned to choice? Since when is Linux a Monopoly? I WANNA RUN AIX & SOLARIS!" "Sorry, Linux only."
Re:Apple tells you this when you download iTunes (Score:3, Funny)
Well, I suppose you *can* act like one. But it's pretty damn stupid if you don't happen to be one.
A bit like SCO with their 'monopoly' over unix licenses, in fact.
Re:Apple tells you this when you download iTunes (Score:2)
iTunes disables all other ipod managers (Score:4, Funny)
as stated when installing iTunes (Score:5, Informative)
While I see MusicMatch not being happy about this, it isn't like it wasn't an expected result of the iTunes installer.
Thank god! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Thank god! (Score:5, Funny)
The disabling of MusicMatch was a bugfix, in my opinion.
Reminds me... (Score:4, Insightful)
Reminds me of a certain big software company somewhere in the North West of the USA.
Re:Reminds me... (Score:2)
If MusicMatch thought they were going to be a permanent partner with Apple, they're idiots. And I don't think they are
Re:Reminds me... (Score:3, Insightful)
Reminds me of every for-profit company. Do you imagine there are lasting alliances (much less true friendship) in business? If MusicMatch did not profit from its cooperation with Apple while it lasted, their stockholders should be upset at its management.
I like and own Apple products, and I think they distinguish themselves in the marketplace by putting out polished products at a premium. However, I don't expect them
Conspiracy theory or...? (Score:5, Interesting)
In reply to the first... (Score:2)
I wish we had an Apple store here.
The closest Mac store is terrible. It's at a horrible location, it's grungy and dirty, and most of the hardware is used crap like 6100s. The software is often very old, and frequently mislabeled. The copy of Panther I bought from them was already opened, and they admitted they'd made copies of it for their own use (store and personal).
Bring on the Apple store.
If I read this right... (Score:5, Insightful)
This is classic Apple (as I type this from my 15" TiBook) and lets face it. Apple is used to controlling the environment it is in (why the hell freezing over joke was less of a joke than outsiders realize) and this only smacks of something any Apple user has known since they became an Apple user. That Apple takes care of the hard part and doesn't leave much control to the end user as a result. ie; It just works...
FYI: I like that as much as I like the exact opposite with Linux, which I run on multilple machines so the above was not a dig.
Re:If I read this right... (Score:2)
So, would you and the current +4 moderators say the same thing if MS disabled Netscape for you and put IE in its place? How about disabling Winamp and forcing you to use WMP? What about automatically wiping out and replacing your boot manager?
Let me rephrase your quote..
That MS takes care of the hard part and doesn't leave much control to the end user as a result. ie; It just works..
Re:If I read this right... (Score:2)
Re:If I read this right... (Score:4, Insightful)
It doesn't disable MusicMatch - it disables communication with the iPod from programs other than iTunes. Have you ever tried to get three different programs to sync with a PalmOS device? It's an interesting experiment. Make sure to back everything up with the original software first. The program is clear at install time that this will occur, it's not checking and removing it at startup, and by reinstalling MusicMatch, it works (and you are now unsupported by Apple).
For your example, if MS disabled Netscape and replaced it with IE when you did a major upgrade, yes, I would be annoyed. If it disabled WinAMP's ability to talk to the (fictional) msPod when you installed WMP XP 1.2, sure, it'd be annoying, but I would say the same damned thing. Boot manager? That's a bloody support issue. Annoying? Yes. Would I do it if I were them? Yes, and I would not apologize -- operating as documented. Don't like it? Don't dual-boot.
I'm not apologizing for Apple. I don't necessarily agree with the decision, but I don't know why that decision was made. If MusicMatch does something that's extremely incompatible with iTunes and damages data on the iPod, would you blame Apple for not warning you?
Obvious Choice (Score:3, Insightful)
MusicMatch:
1) WMA-Crippled Music Downloads
2) Pay more for more features
3) Shit-poor interface
iTunes
1) AAC-crippled Music Downloads that play on the iPod
2) Full features (ripping, smart playlists, etc) for free
3) Great interface
Sorry, no competition here. Move along.
Re:Obvious Choice (Score:2, Funny)
Not so obvious (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Obvious Choice (Score:3, Informative)
Umm, the point is that you shouldn't have to choose one over the other, you should be able to use both.
This is surprising? (Score:5, Insightful)
This doesn't strike me as frontpage material, folks. It's kind of a no-brainer.
Yes, but... (Score:5, Funny)
"And before you start lambasting Apple for pulling a stunt like this, c'mon... the people affected by this are Windows users-- they're used to this kind of treatment. Obviously they thrive on it, or they'd have ditched Microsoft years ago. Heck, crippling a competing product was probably the only way Apple could have gotten an ounce of respect from these folks in the first place. In fact, we think Apple probably missed a golden opportunity to win some serious admiration from the Windows community; instead of simply removing MusicMatch's ability to sync with the iPod, iTunes should also have deleted MusicMatch entirely, installed spyware, inexplicably disabled a random piece of system hardware, reformatted any writable volumes not containing iTunes itself, and then emailed itself to everyone in the user's Outlook address book. Oh, and it should have cost thirty bucks. More, with technical support."
Re:Yes, but... (Score:2)
Interface update? (Score:2)
Workaround found (Score:5, Informative)
Also breaks W2K Pro CD access after uninstall (Score:5, Informative)
Bottom line : iTunes or GEAR removes vital registry keys that prevent audio CDs from playing once you've uninstalled the software. I had to manually hack my registry to restore functionality.
Bad Apple. No Cookie.
Re:Also breaks W2K Pro CD access after uninstall (Score:2)
Re:Also breaks W2K Pro CD access after uninstall (Score:2)
However, I wouldn't be surprised if this happened, because the GEAR software is crap. My gf had it on her computer because she used the Audible.com software for her audio books. It broke CD audio playing, and it al
Re:Also breaks W2K Pro CD access after uninstall (Score:2)
Well couldn't it just be.... (Score:2)
If that's all it does it's okay. If it prevents MMJB from starting than it isn't quite that okay.
M.
i hate drm (Score:2)
if they don't trust me, they should implement drm in transparent way. when CDs first came out, it was not possible for consumers to make copies. it means no drm and everything was fine.
as m
ephPod (Score:2)
or xplay or whatever it's called?
Re:ephPod (Score:2)
Ephpod (Score:5, Informative)
regards,
Heiko
Data corruption (Score:5, Insightful)
Maybe Apple just wanted to prevent people from screwing up their iPods.
This thread is full of apple apologists (Score:5, Insightful)
"Musicmatch is a piece of crap, iTunes is much better"
"There's nothing wrong with this, Musicmatch was a temporary solution until iTunes came out"
The thing is, you ought to have the choice of using whatever program you want. Internet Explorer doesn't diddle the network settings of Mozilla or Netscape when it installs so that they will no longer be able to communicate with the www.
You had a choice! (Score:4, Informative)
Just because you don't like the choices doesn't mean they aren't there. Since iTunes likely launches when an iPod is plugged in having Musicmatch also recognize it probably causes problems. While one might lament that Apple had somehow worked it out that you could choose each time, I'd argue that they had no real motivation to and from an ease-of-use point of view went for iTunes taking over the iPod completely.
Re:This thread is full of apple apologists (Score:3, Informative)
> Internet Explorer doesn't diddle the network settings of Mozilla or Netscape
> when it installs so that they will no longer be able to communicate with the
> www.
Um, yes it does.
Go install IE. It will change the windows settings to make IE the default.
iTunes does the same, it installs a new driver that MM doesnt work with.
When you install mozilla it does the same thing. Same as netscape.
Slashdot really needs a
MusicMatch and XPlay (Score:5, Informative)
Nothing really suprising here. There is only one driver for the iPod on the machine and when you install software that uses accesses the driver it will register itself as the default application.
Are you still able to use iPod on Windows? (Score:2)
If so, why not at least use a different service, such as http://www.allofmp3.com
Apple seems a weird mix right now, some areas are pro-Open Source, others seem to be almost the opposite...
StarTux
My bias (Score:5, Insightful)
And I still don't care.
Apparently, my principles don't come into play when the software works seamlessly and efficiently and the UI is so pretty.
This would bother me, but OSX is shiny and it's distracting me....
-Carolyn
Here's why. (Score:5, Insightful)
This is because the iPod looks like a disk drive. On the Mac, it's formatted as an HFS volume. On Windows, it was formatted as a Windows volume.
Now, with iTunes for Windows, you can share your iPod between Windows and Mac. This is because iTunes for Windows knows how to deal with HFS volumes. But unfortunately, MusicMatch for Windows does not know how to do this.
So you lose something, and you get something. Depending on what you want, you may prefer one solution or the other. If you prefer MusicMatch, stick with it. If you prefer iTunes, stick with it.
The point is that this was not just an arbitrary attempt to shut MusicMatch out of the business. It was done for a good reason. If MusicMatch wants to maintain iPod compatiblity after you install iTunes, this is doable, because HFS+ is a documented standard, and the source code to read and write HFS+ filesystems is available from Apple - it's part of Darwin, which is open source.
So yes, Apple did make an incompatible change. And it sucks for people who really like MusicMatch. But there was a good reason for making the change, and I personally think the end result is a significant improvement. YMMV.
Re:Here's why. (Score:3, Insightful)
If you get a new iPod and want to use it across both platforms, format it for PC. Then you can use it on either system interchangeably. Best way to go, as it makes it into a nifty portable external hard drive as well. It's how I've got mine set up.
-Brett
Re:Here's why. (Score:4, Informative)
iTunes for Mac can deal with a FAT32 iPod, but iTunes for Windows cannot deal with an HFS iPod. This is true even if you've got XPlay installed, which includes the HFS driver. iTunes/Win requires a Windows formatted iPod. Period.
I know this because until that fateful Thursday, I had a Mac iPod and used XPlay to use it on Windows, and felt all sick and dirty having to reformat my precious to FAT32... My Macs (running OSX 10.2.6/10.3) were all perfectly happy with a FAT32 iPod after the reformat, BTW.
Disclaimer: I never installed MM, so I don't know what fun bits it added to the equation here, but I doubt it does anything interesting. AFAIK, MM needs a FAT32 iPod (no HFS drivers included).
Letter to MM... (Score:3, Funny)
Sirs:
Hmmm...iTunes is faster at ripping, has better integration with my iPod, has a cleaner, more intuitive interface with less of the glitzy crap that MM comes with. iTunes also starts faster, only uses a single window on my desktop and integrates with Apples music store and proprietary music formats. I also don't use either for playing music on my PC, prefering the QCD player.
Apple didn't make the choice...I did. I uninstalled MusicMatch and have no intentions to go back to your bloated, cumbersome, slow, unreliable package when iTunes does everything I need and more.
The only reason I used MM was because it was the only option on a Windows box. Now that iTunes is here....MM is history as far as I am concerned.
After living with MM for about 6 months, I can truly say that I do "get the best possible experience when managing your MP3 collection and transferring music to your iPod" to quote your words. By using iTunes for Windows.
Your implication that MM is better than iTunes is both insulting and incorrect based on my experience.
You wanna talk bad programming??? (Score:4, Interesting)
I could watch it in the Task Manager's "Performance" tab, as my memory consumption gradually went from about 250MB to 1GB until the sync finished.
Then I found EphPod, which is better than MusicMatch *or* iTunes....
I think you're all missing the point (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:sounds like the usual. (Score:2, Insightful)
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Re:sounds like the usual. (Score:5, Funny)
Yeah, just imagine if Internet Explorer disabled Netscape when it was installed...
Re:sounds like the usual. (Score:4, Interesting)
Yes, except Apple understands software and hardware engineering. Plus Apple has released a large portion of it's OS and compiler technology to the Open Source community.
Microsoft's stuff has the simple elegance of an elephant...with gout.
Re:sounds like the usual. (Score:5, Insightful)
What is your alternative in the computer industry?
Apple is looking good mostly by comparison with it's peers.
they seem to be like any other large software coporation out there, in it for the benjamins, and nothing else.
I presume you mean "like any other large software and hardware corporation".
Just in case you weren't aware, the primary responsibility of every public for-profit company (Apple is one) is to make a profit for the shareholders. So, yes, "the benjamins". That is not a bad thing - without the profit motive very few cool new things would be produced.
Regardless of Apple's profit motive (which as I pointed out every other company has as well) it produces some of the coolest, fastest and best engineered gear out there. Apple also had the wisdom to adopt a Unix-like OS, along with many other well-chosen hardware and software standards.
All of this is more than enough reason for any self-respecting geek to salivate heavily! :-)
I wondered that too. (Score:3, Interesting)
Now I understand.
Apple is a corporation. Yes. They are out to make money. Yes.
Their way of doing so, however, is to make some rally kick ass stuff.
I *LOVE* OS X. And I"m a control freak. If I didn't have OS X, I would be using a linux desktop, no questions asked.
As it is I get a rock solid desktop that rules. In fact, I'll even go as far as to say that if you haven't sat down and really got to know OS X as a desktop, you only THINK You know what a good desktop is.
It IS that much bette
Re:sounds like the usual. (Score:4, Insightful)
Apple should not have done this, and I hope affects them in a bad way, either loss of revenue, or loss of customers.
Re:sounds like the usual. (Score:3, Insightful)
Let's say Apple makes a word processor called AppleWorks. Let's say it has a proprietary file format that changes frequently to prevent anybody from ever cloning it well. Who cares? Even if all Mac owners use AppleWorks (and they most emphatically do not), that's 5% or so if you're optimistic.
Let's say Microsoft makes a word processo
Re:sounds like the usual. (Score:3, Insightful)
I have an iPod, love the thing.
I have MMJB, and its iPod plugin. I've seen better software in a 1st semester Visual Basic course. MMJB is so horrid, I cannot imagine anyone ever wanting to use it to begin with (whether to play/orgaze MP3's on your computer, or just for syncing with the iPod. I originally used MM to sync with my iPod. It was a miserable experience to say the least. It froze more often than it worked.
So, I got XPlay. XPlay was wonderful; but to no suprise, it
Why is Apple cool?... (Score:3, Insightful)
People who choose to use Macs have always dealt with 'less' options...I don't see how being on the fringe is cool
Re:Uh oh... (Score:2, Insightful)
Oh, you mean by locking customers into expensive, proprietary software? No. They're already worse than that. They lock customers into expensive, proprietary software AND hardware.
Re: (Score:2)
Re:Uh oh... (Score:2)
How are customers locked? If anything, it's an expression of choice that you have the opportunity to buy an Apple computer. Or a Sun workstation, or anything else you want or can afford.
Please elaborate on this hideous "locking in" that Apple's forcing on millions of users each year.
Re:Uh oh... (Score:2)
It's also worth mentioning that there's an SDK available for connecting iTunes to other music players. Missing Link uses it. So it isn't as if people need to use an iPod -- someone just needs to write drivers for the music device.
Oh yeah... (Score:3, Funny)
It's terrible! If you want to use an iPod, you're supposed to use iTunes! And iTunes only supports the iPod directly! Talk about an unfair system -- imagine, giving software away for free that integrates only with their hardware!
By the way, these ATi drivers work great with my nVidia card. I don't know why I didn't think to try this years ago.
Re:Uh oh... (Score:2)
Modding that as troll was cute, but I am seriously curious as to why the dude with the mod point was bugged by this guy.
Seriously. What parent poster said is the impression I have too. Maybe 'lock' is a strong word, but Apple most definitely wants to entice users to stay with them. So, what exactly so trollish about this guy's comment? Seeking education, not argument here.
Default changes made at developer request (Score:2)
Re:Default changes made at developer request (Score:2)
But there's been an API for about 10 years to do this, Internet Config [apple.com]. It's still functional, but it's Carbon and is being overtaken by Launch Services [apple.com], which is Cocoa.
Apple didn't do users any favors by burying these in Mail and Safari - that's not the obvious behavior for setting a preference, that's the Redmond behavior. The help text is confusing as well:
Re:This was not an accident (Score:3, Informative)
Strange. I would have thought this behavior was a feature of the operating system ;)
Re:This was not an accident (Score:5, Insightful)
Bullshit! If that was the case, iTunes would have immediately been 'fixed' to stop that behaviour, and/or a patch released.
Re:With iTunes, why do you need something else? (Score:2)
You mean SoundJam?
C&G was just a distributor for SoundJam. Apple actually bought SoundJam from the developers, and it became iTunes. Some things were improved, some features added, some taken away in the interest of interface simplicty. Overall, I liked iTunes much better right from the start, and it's certainly better now.
I really wonder why people complain about iTunes not connecting to music devices. The SDK is available for connecting to other music devices; Missing Link uses it.
Re:With iTunes, why do you need something else? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:honestly (Score:2)
I dunno, will people be really using netscape to browse the web when they can do it easier and better in IE?
Re:honestly (Score:4, Informative)
My very own vPod [vonnieda.org] is one of them.
Re:iPod not entirely ready for PCs (Score:2)
Re:iPod not entirely ready for PCs (Score:5, Informative)
Re:iPod not entirely ready for PCs (Score:2)
The USB bus can provide 5v at 500mA - that's 2.5 watts. The iPod states it is rated for "8-30v, max 1.0A") which gives us a power range anywhere between 8x1 = 8 watts or 30x1 = 30 watts). The firewire bus supplies 18 volts, as does the iPod's plug in power supply.
Oh, and if you're using 12mbs usb to
Re:iPod not entirely ready for PCs (Score:2)
You could have bought a FireWire PCI card with a cable for the $20 at Fry's instead.
Re:He got it from Bill (Score:2)
Re:Tonight at 1PM, at the MGM grand we have... (Score:2)
The funny thing is, I always wanted both Real Player and Windows Media Player installed because each sucked enough that I needed both to actaully watch video clips. Neither could do the job right.
When Apple makes iTunes, they have the balls to tell you its all or nothing, and they can back it up. With iTunes, I no longer need or want another music organizer on my PC.
Re:Taste of their own medicine... (Score:2)
Why would anyone want to use non-Microsoft software under Windows? They know how to interface with their own OS better than anyone.
Sorry, for Apple's software to break other people's software is not acceptable. Remember, IE used to be better than Netscape.. it's no excuse for heavy handed tactics.