Panther Eats FireWire 800 Drives 60
the_webmaestro writes: "Apple has announced that Panther (Mac OS X 10.3) may cause corruption with external FireWire 800 drives (anything with an Oxford 922 chip). Fortunately for me (unlike the poor souls who've already had problems), I guess I'm glad I ordered a lowly a 250GB Firewire 400/USB2.0 Combo Drive..." maccw reports that Firewire 400 customers are also reporting problems, as detailed from this Wired story.
2 for 2 (Score:2, Funny)
Re:2 for 2 (Score:3, Informative)
data corruption (Score:2, Funny)
Re:data corruption (Score:1)
I saw a high speed paper tape punch at auction a few months ago. I probably should have bought it.
Sounds Familiar ... (Score:1)
Ah yeah, it's in there! Go to the discussion [infopop.net] and search for Firewire. In short, the poster sees the automatic defragmentation very possibly being the root of the problem.
Re:Sounds Familiar ... (Score:3, Insightful)
Riiight. Listen, there's no black magic in that defragmentation code. Look elsewhere for problems.
MOD PARENT UP -- very likely correct! (Score:1)
Updates (Score:5, Informative)
OWC has posted a firmware update [macsales.com] for their drives, as has Wiebetech. [wiebetech.com] It looks like the Wiebetech requires you to update the firmware in Jaguar, and then they don't recommend using it IN Jaguar afterwards... Sheesh.
Re:Updates (Score:3, Informative)
Note that while OWC's firmware update [macsales.com] has only been tested with their drives, other people in the forums have successfully used it to update other vendors' drives using the Oxford chipset.
Their updater will also tell you which chipset (911 or 922) your drive has and which firmware it's running. Note that some FW400 drives use the affected Oxford 922 chipset rather than the 911.
As of this writing, nobody's quite sure yet whether Oxford 911 (FW400) chipsets are also affected. Some evidence [apple.com] indicates tha
Re:Updates (Score:4, Interesting)
The parent post is much more informative that the story itself, which links to the Apple Special Message page while appearing to have no knowledge of the content on that page (i.e.: problem is a chipset bug, not a Panther bug).
After the previous story in which Apple was said to be refusing to release security patches for Jaguar anymore (with no links to any actual Apple statement), it looks like any story that seems to paint Apple in a bad light gets no review at all. Come on -- we should be able to expect a LITTLE better editorial review of story postings than this!
In this case the title of the story is misleading and sensational, while the content puts the blame on the wrong party. Apple is doing a good job of getting the word out to people that may have the faulty chipset so that they don't get burned by the problem. Making this sound like a failure by Apple is just plain wrong.
Its in the ChipSet (Score:1)
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Re:Panther... (Score:1)
-Jay
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Pudge's 250 gig FW drive (Score:1, Offtopic)
Re:Pudge's 250 gig FW drive (Score:2, Informative)
The lights are neon, there's a red one and a blue one. No, you can't turn them off. The bridge chip seems to be a custom jobby as it gets reported as a WDC Firewire400/USB2.0 in system_profiler. It might be an Oxford but WDC has custom written the ROM to hide that fact, if so.
Re:Pudge's 250 gig FW drive (Score:1)
Everything else was right though. :)
Panther eats Firewire. (Score:2)
APS Pyro Firewire drive enclosures? (Score:2, Informative)
I haven't purchased Panther yet (or is it pronounced "Pan-there"?) but this does recall a problem I had running Final Cut Pro under Mac OS X 10.1.x. It had the nasty habit of destroying the partition tables of random Firewire drives on launch, presumably in its attempts to find and communicate with Firewire video devices. Upg
Re:APS Pyro Firewire drive enclosures? (Score:1)
eh? (Score:1)
Jeez (Score:2)
Re:forgot to learn to read, did we? (Score:1, Flamebait)
can't install linux on a VIDEO CAMERA (Score:2, Funny)
linux (redhat 6.x and latest gentoo) and even freebsd refused to install! huh? never saw THAT happen before.
well, turns out that I had my firewire camera (not a real camera but a canopus firwire media bridge that looks like a FW camera) connected and all I can think of is that the funny
Re:can't install linux on a VIDEO CAMERA (Score:2)
What's funny is I'm sure someone has tried to get Linux running on a camera. I mean there is some joker trying to get Linux running on an iPod. We have it for most game console
What is up with software destroying drives? (Score:4, Interesting)
First Mandrake 9.2 and LG CD-ROMS, now this. Is this something the hardware manufacturers are doing that violates the common standards (IDE, ATAPI, IEEE1394)? Or, is this software companies trying to squeeze out a little more performance by not adhering to a standard?
Re:YHBT (Score:1)
SuDZ
Apple motherboards kill firewire bridges (Score:4, Interesting)
ALL the drives were still perfectly good. The firewire bridges were bad. ALL the drives were advertised as hot-swappable. Almost all of the brideges died during, or after a hot-swap procedure. Indigita, a bridge company, has been gracious enough to test some stuff for us.
I suspect that the problem isn't just with panther or bridge firmware. I think there is a problem with the mac firewire interface generally, expecially when hot swapping.
Re:Apple motherboards kill firewire bridges (Score:1)
The problem comes when the strain releif doesn't releive the strain (beware of twisting the cables especially on cheap firewire cables) and the power lines in the cable nail the PHY on the Firewire/IDE bridge board or the PHY on the motherboard.
Whenever you have a firewire problem that you think has killed either a drive or a motherboard SWAP OUT THE CABLE FIRST.
A sacrificial firewire hub or at the very
Re:Apple motherboards kill firewire bridges (Score:1)
Never Never buy anything the first day.. Never (Score:4, Insightful)
So don't buy new software the day it appears. Wait and see what problems it causes and then buy the x.x.1 update after a suitable wait to see if that's safe.
BTW, this rule applies to new pharmaceuticals. I'd recommend waiting at least 10 to 100 million doses and 5-20 years before taking any "new" medication unless it is a total blockbusting lifesaver.
Re:Never Never buy anything the first day.. Never (Score:2)
If no one uses the
(Okay, I get that if you're in a critical production environment, the bleeding edge is a bad place to be, but
Re:Never Never buy anything the first day.. Never (Score:2)
I learned a similar lesson (Score:2)
"Panther has managed not only to lose my iTunes Library and my iPhoto Library, but also their backups kept on -- you guessed it -- my external FireWire hard disk,"
I once reinstalled a Compaq server. I copied all data to the externally connected SCSI raid and I only wanted to reinstall WinNT on the 2 internal disks. I felt safe. How wrong I was...
Because the Compaq 'System erase' tool erases not only things like the date/time, internal disk, BIOS settings etc., but also partitions/disks on all connected
Re:I learned a similar lesson (Score:1)
In my case (Score:2)
For the record, I've had no issues with Panther and this external drive. I checked the firmware, and it was the suspect 1.02.
Just to be on the safe side, I downloaded and applied the firmware update from WeibeTECH [wiebetech.com], again, with no issues.
Major disaster (Score:2)
At an Apple store on release day, I nearly went against my better judgment and snapped up the not-ready-for-primetime Panther. I was backed up, after all, to my firewire drive... Then I thought, "Wtf, Zhe, you horn dog, do you want to pay to find bugs for Apple?"
Whew. Saved by a momentary flash of discipline. ;-)
that drive of yours IS oxford 922 (Score:2)
I did a lot of research the other night because I have panther and a western digital firewire 400 80gb. Turns out if your firewire drive is from western digital AND it's a combo USB/Firewire then you're using oxford 922. The drives that are just firewire 400 and no USB are oxford 911.
So don't plug that drive of yours into your mac until we see the WD patch.
Over at macfixit.com there are reports that it's not just the firewire 800 peop
Also problems with plain old IDE drives. (Score:2)
I first noticed it when Safari would lose all its preference settings and the Itunes Music Library file would corrupt itself.
I aso noticed that when downloading some apps like Yahoo Messenger and MSN Messenger they'd be corrupt the first time I downloaded them, and then I'd redownload them and they'd work the next time.
Today I did a large amount of ftping, and I was
Re:Also problems with plain old IDE drives. (Score:2)
Re:Also problems with plain old IDE drives. (Score:1)
Panther in your pocket (Score:1)
Over the summer, I got a dev seed of Panther while it was still in beta. I decided rather than wiping out my existing partition on my Powerbook's hard drive. I would instead install it to my iPod. I installed it, ran great. Until that is, I went to listen to my music. All there according to iTunes but not according to my now dead iPod. It appears Panther overwrote the software on my iPod and the "secret" music partition.
Oxford's fault, not Panther (Score:1)
Update: problem solved? (Score:2)
Apple has identified an issue with external FireWire hard drives using the Oxford 922 bridge chip-set with firmware version 1.02 that can result in the loss of data stored on the disk drive. Apple is working with Oxford Semiconductor and affected drive manufacturers to resolve this issue which resides in the Oxford 922 chip-set.
In the interim, Apple recommends that you do not use these drives. To stop using the drive, you should unmount or eject the disk drive before doing anything else.