Panther Released into the Wild 654
u2fan00 writes "Those fortunate enough to have an Apple Store near them were in for a treat last night -- crowds! Oh, and also Panther. Check out the local reactions, photos and stories from some stores across the nation."
Avoided the whole problem, personally (Score:5, Informative)
The Lenox Mall Apple store is a bit of a drive, so I went to the Micro Center not far from where I live. They're sort of a baby Fry's, but more expensive and nowhere near as good. This is, unfortunately, the South, and you take what you can get here. It beats Bosnia.
I walked into the Apple department, grabbed a copy of Panther, and asked if I needed to ring it up there or if I could keep shopping. The salesman put a sticker on it and told me to buy it up front, and then tossed a couple of freebies on the pile... a mousepad and a 64MB USB flash drive.
So I got a much shorter drive, no parking hassles, and a free USB drive in exchange for waiting a day. Calling this a no-brainer seems an understatement.
No impressions yet, I'm backing up before installing. Ok, one impression: the box is cool. Big silver X on a black background. Box upgrades are very important, you know.
Re:Avoided the whole problem, personally (Score:2)
Re:Avoided the whole problem, personally (Score:3, Insightful)
Sure, I might do that for a Linux gathering, but Apple? No way.
best part - Xcode included in the box!! (Score:5, Informative)
It's a bit alien to those not used to the NeXT way, but it only took my roommate about 15 minutes to find his way around. Both of us have already converted most of our projects to xCode.
Re:best part - Xcode included in the box!! (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Avoided the whole problem, personally (Score:3, Funny)
If you think Fry's is good, I'm going to have to disregard your whole message, and perhaps even put you on my Foes list.
Re:Avoided the whole problem, personally (Score:4, Funny)
You want mouse pads? I think those are over in section B-12 isle 13. What you want to do is head north past the snack stand, being sure to pick up some bottled water since you?re going to get parched on this journey. If you reach a pile of returned VIA motherboards you?ve gone to far and need to turn around and go back until you see the adult DVD rack. Turn right at the DVDs and head west until you reach the refrigerators. Then go south to the cell phones, back north to the motorized scooters, turn right at the Tesla coil go up the stairs to the TV display and ask for a guy named Jack, he totally knows where the mouse pads are.
I swear I've found the remains of lost shoppers in some of the unused corners of the stores.
Re:Avoided the whole problem, personally (Score:4, Interesting)
It so happened that I had to buy a birthday present for somebody and also buy some new headphones today, so I had three good reasons to go to CompUSA, and I was a tad surprised that there didn't seem to be anybody in the whole store that knew what Panther was. There was one iMac (or was it an eMac? Still confused about that) that had it installed for demo purposes, and demo I did. I'll squeeze in a mini-review of what I saw so far.
Overall, I was a little surprised at how similar to Jaguar it felt... this is a good thing. We want improvements, but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Speaking of bathwater, the Finder has been replaced and I'm sure the new one is awesome. It was noticeably different but I didn't see a whole lot of Gee Whiz stuff in my quick (about 30 minutes) runthrough. I probably spent about 10 of those minutes playing with the much-heralded Expos, which honestly is DAMN COOL. I only hope it runs that quickly on my 550 PowerBook... probably not, though. I also tested the quick user switching thing. I had to figure out the CompUSA password, but it only took me about three guesses. That's another great feature.
The nicest surprise is that alt-tab (yeah, yeah, command-tab on Mac) application switching has really matured. It's much, MUCH more like Windows now... with a transparent bar that appears center-screen and true stack-based app switching (to make it just as easy to go two applications back as it is to go one application back). As a former Windows keystroke nut, I absolutely had to have my alt-tab support, and I about lost my mind when I first switched to OS X and had to deal with the various incarnations of that, including some shareware that did what I wanted and was subsequently irreparably broken by Jaguar, at which point I got used to Jaguar's better-but-not-quite-there implementation. That was when they almost lost me as a customer, but I just love OS X too damn much.
I'm glad to see they've burst forth with this great upgrade. I obviously wish it wasn't so expensive, but hey, it could be worse... it could be like $400
Sorry it's so long... hope it was sort of interesting.
RP
Silly Apple stores... (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Silly Apple stores... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Silly Apple stores... (Score:2)
1. Panther Mid-Nite Madness,Union Computer Store 24 Oct
For Mac users who just can't wait, the UNL Computer Store at the
Union Campus location is hosting a "Panther Mid-Nite Madness" on
Friday, October 24th. The new Panther operating system will be
demonstrated, and copies will be available for sale at the student
price of $69. To preorder your copy, call 472-0505 or 472-5787.
I guess I fig
Re:Silly Apple stores... (Score:2)
Re:Silly Apple stores... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Silly Apple stores... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Silly Apple stores... (Score:3, Informative)
$69 including tax. Not bad.
Re:Silly Apple stores... (Score:3, Informative)
Very simple, if you just ask.
My God! (Score:5, Funny)
I believe it should be called either FleshTorrent or Orgy.
Re:My God! (Score:2)
weird, Just got panther installed, launched safari (Score:2, Funny)
Well I must say panther is awesome, but linux is much nicer on my mac....
and last nights apple store here in buffalo ny sucked, they only handed out dog tags. Not even a free tshirt!!
SOHO was overcrowded (Score:3, Interesting)
There were tons of people there, that's for sure. I at least got entered to win a new Mac, but other than that the wrapping paper kinda sucks. I was hoping for free T-shirts as well. I didn't even get a co
Don't be too unhappy, dog tags are cursed. (Score:3, Interesting)
Then I tried to install on someone else's computer (I bought the family pack, and am stretching the license slightly by spreading it out across a few family members). I accidentally slipped on the dog tags again (What compelled me? I know not. I had stored them in the Panther case and just slipped them on absent-mindedly while pulling out the
Re:weird, Just got panther installed, launched saf (Score:3, Insightful)
I've got Yellow Dog Linux 3 running on the original Rev. A Bondi iMac and it is as beautiful a sight as I've been treated to by computers. Very fast, very responsive under Gnome.
OS X on the same machine by contrast is an exercise in futility. The spinning ball never stops spinning. It crashes. It's slow. It's almost completely useless.
I guess that makes me an ass-clown too.
Re:weird, Just got panther installed, launched saf (Score:3, Informative)
Re:weird, Just got panther installed, launched saf (Score:3, Informative)
You must be the only one in the world who has Dock that does not distinguish running an non-running apps. The rest of us use Dock that differentiates them by means of a bold black triangle (running) or a lack of it (non running).
BAH (Score:2, Funny)
Re:BAH (Score:5, Funny)
No, real men upload their new OS for backup purposes.
I see Spike Lee suing over that logo (Score:5, Funny)
X-Files (Score:2)
Quick questions directed at Mac users. (Score:2)
I figure, if John Carmack [bluesnews.com] is coding DooM 3 on a Mac, then it must be all that, right?
Re:Quick questions directed at Mac users. (Score:3, Informative)
Are there any good tutorial sites for gamers like myself who want to switch ?
Note that you WILL NOT be using your mac to play games. The games support just isn't there. You can play a small, random, usually not terribly good selection of the games that were released for the PC six months to a year ago. As a developer, your mac will make you extremely happy. As a gamer it will not.
Re:Quick questions directed at Mac users. (Score:4, Insightful)
the selection of games available on the mac isn't random, actually. other than the small smattering of games that are released simultaneously on Mac and PC, the others are games that make it over because they were profitable.
it doesn't matter how cool a game is, how many copies it's sold on the PC... if it's not profitable, it will not be ported. period.
RE: playing games on your Mac - sure you will! (Score:4, Informative)
Let's see.... Unreal Tournament 2003, Tony Hawk Pro Skater 3 and 4, Wolfenstein 3D, Quake 3 Arena, Kelly Slater Pro Surfer, Tiger Woods PGA Tour Golf from EA Sports, Warcraft 3 + Frozen Throne expansion set, Warrior Kings, Stronghold, Dungeon Seige, Age of Mythology, Age of Empires 2, Halo (due out before Xmas), James Bond: A Spy in H.A.R.M.'s Way, Medal of Honor + expansion pack, Jedi Knight II, Soldier of Fortune II..... not to mention some really teriffic stuff put out by the little guys/shareware authors, like Enigmo.
I'd say things in the Mac gaming world are looking better now than they have in years - and it damn sure looks better than my Linux gaming selection. No, they still don't have anywhere near the number of titles available for the PC, but so many PC titles are a waste of money. It seems to me they only take the time to port the "cream of the crop" of what's already out for PC, and that's fine with me. Unless you pirate everything, you're not really going to be able to buy all the new game titles they crank out for the PC, anyway.
(Well, I could live without that port of Bloodrayne for the Mac, but hey - I've seen worse....)
Re:Quick questions directed at Mac users. (Score:5, Interesting)
In fact, the first demo of Doom3 (and the first demo of the GeForce 3 too) was on Mac OS X as part of one of Steve Jobs's keynote speeches.
Doom3 will be available for Mac OS X... but it's not being developed on it.
Re:Quick questions directed at Mac users. (Score:3, Interesting)
do a clean install or an archive install (Score:2, Informative)
all the problems I have read about have been from simple upgrades, everyone who has not had problems has done an archive install or an erase install.
Re:do a clean install or an archive install (Score:2, Informative)
Re:do a clean install or an archive install (Score:3, Informative)
all I know is that the only people having trouble are those who did the upgrade.
Upgrades not as bad as they say (Score:3, Informative)
The people who seem to have problems with upgrades are the ones who install all that unsanity haxie garbage. At least, that seems to be a common denominator among most troubled upgrades.
Re:Upgrades not as bad as they say (Score:4, Informative)
I'm sorry, but you need to find a new scapegoat.
Re:do a clean install or an archive install (Score:3, Informative)
Absolutely no problems. So, YMMV.
Seed 7B85 (Score:2, Informative)
AirPort Difficulties and Control-D (Score:5, Informative)
Some people with in-house AirPort networks have run into difficulties after installing panther. If this is happening to you, Apple has already given a workaround here [apple.com].
Also, Control-d now selects the dock and allows for keyboard navigation rather than getting sent to the app you want it to be sent to (such as terminal). I haven't figured out how to turn this off, but you can work around it by using the option key in addition to the control key (so Control-Option-d instead of just Control-d).
Re:AirPort Difficulties and Control-D (Score:2)
Re:AirPort Difficulties and Control-D (Score:3, Informative)
Re:AirPort Difficulties and Control-D (Score:3, Funny)
Just open it and use the "Show" pop-up menu to see the "Network Port Configuration". Then, uncheck "AirPort" and check "Built-In Ethernet". Click on "Apple Now" to save your settings.
heh.
Apple Now! Sounds like a special move in Street Fighter or Streets of Rage (whoa, retro).
Re:AirPort Difficulties and Control-D (Score:3, Informative)
That was available in Jaguar too although the default key-combos were Control+Fkey. I don't have Panther yet so I don't know if you can turn it off or not, but you can in Jaguar (al
Is MacOS a narcotic or somewthing ? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Is MacOS a narcotic or somewthing ? (Score:5, Funny)
Only us REALLY loyal fans know the big secret.
Do you think we'd really wait an hour in line for an operating system? Pfft, I just smoked the box and it was GOOD. I'm off to stare at the iTunes visuals for a few hours...
Re:Is MacOS a narcotic or somewthing ? (Score:5, Funny)
> software ?
It's called Expose [apple.com], and it's the computer-version of crack.
Re:Is MacOS a narcotic or somewthing ? (Score:3, Informative)
Sucks to not have a Windows-like taskbar and be forced to use these lame workarounds.
Er, there's that Dock thingy. Windows users, habituated to running everything full-screen, just don't "get" Expose. "Huh? You mean I can see windows from more than one program on screen at the same time? And drag-and-drop stuff between them?"
Re:Is MacOS a narcotic or somewthing ? (Score:3, Funny)
I'd received Panther by mail earlier in the day and went to the party anyway. The store staff clapped as everyone walked in -- just like they did for the grand opening. They're starting to remember me there.
Heads up for unix types (Score:5, Informative)
For those unix types I have two issues so far:
1) the cocoa version of emacs I was using is broken by panther
2) the version of x11 I downloaded from apple is not automatically updated. You must update it manually from disc 3. Note that the old one is broken by panther.
I also needed to reinstall Microsoft Office X, but it is working fine now.
Re:Heads up for unix types (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Heads up for unix types (Score:2, Informative)
When you insert disc 3, the X11 installer will find your old X11 installation and upgrade it.
Just an installation thing. X11 should have been autodetected, and wasn't.
Re:Heads up for unix types (Score:2)
gcc --version
gcc (GCC) 3.3 20030304 (Apple Computer, In. build 1495)
Copyright (C) 2002 Free Software Foundation Inc.
Re:Heads up for unix types (Score:2)
Wow those Macs look nice (Score:2, Interesting)
1) Mozilla randomly forgets where its configuration files are, and of course has NO OPTION TO SET WHERE THEY ARE which means that I have to rebuild my e-mail settings over and over again.
2) Evolution takes over a minute to start.
3) Red Hat corrupts its own RPM database when other e-mail clients are installed, then just hangs.
4) mutt will take four months to configure correctly.
5) Yeah, Outlook Express. Sure thing.
Then I
Re:Wow those Macs look nice (Score:2)
Pegasus Mail. If it weren't for Pegasus, I wouldn't believe that it was possible to come up with anything better than elm. I've bemoaned the lack of anything remotely as good as Pegasus for Linux for years. Sad.
Re:Wow those Macs look nice (Score:2)
Have you reported this? I've never heard of this bug. File the bug report, then whine all you want...but in that order.
3) Red Hat corrupts its own RPM database when other e-mail clients are installed, then just hangs.
Yeah, that's bug 73097 [redhat.com]. I (and several others) reported it during the beta period. I don't understand
Re:Wow those Macs look nice (Score:2)
Re:Wow those Macs look nice (Score:3, Informative)
Reminds me of... (Score:5, Funny)
Why all the hubbub? (Score:3, Funny)
Oh, when will that day arrive....
Re:Why all the hubbub? (Score:5, Funny)
They threw me out! (Score:2, Funny)
P.S. Don't bother asking them for any apples either.
You sure don't see that kind of reaction... (Score:2, Interesting)
Actually (Score:2)
Panther and Apple Stores (Score:2)
I preordered Panther and was super happy when yesterday, 4:00 PM, Fed Ex pulls up in my driveway with a box from Apple.
Beat the crowd scene totally... and I didn't have to take off my rubbah slippahs at the airport, or surrender my box cutters.
It's up and running nicely... everything
Developer tools included in the box! (Score:5, Informative)
I'm happy to see Apple still giving the development tools away for free.
Any disadvantages to a clean install? (Score:4, Interesting)
I'm thinking about buying a 15" PowerBook shortly (probably from MacConnection, since they have good deals [macprices.com]). I was going to wait until I could get one with Panther preinstalled, but I'd like to have the PowerBook by Thanksgiving and so it looks like I'll have to order one soon (which will probably still come with Jaguar).
I've been reading various forums and I keep hearing that a clean install for Panther is the way to go. And, since the PowerBook will be brand new, I won't have to back anything up beforehand ;). However, do PowerBooks come with any software that isn't part of the OS by default? For instance, do they come with AppleWorks or other software that I'd lose if I chose to upgrade with a clean install?
Also, I'm still looking for a snug case/sleeve for the PowerBook, if anyone has any suggestions. I'm looking for one that's thin and just big enough to include a mouse and a power supply. I'd also prefer zippers or buttons over velcro (since they tend to be quieter than velcro).
Re:Any disadvantages to a clean install? (Score:2)
Re:Any disadvantages to a clean install? (Score:3, Interesting)
Anyway, check out Willow Design [willowdesign.com] for your next case... The models you would probably find interesting are the SC-17, 29 and 31. They make very well thought-out products, custom-designed for Apple machines, with lots of padding where it counts. Their handles tend to be quadruple riveted, among other niceties. My only gripe is that their shoulder straps could use better connectors at each end. It looks like some of their models now incorporate a newer connec
Re:Any disadvantages to a clean install? (Score:3, Interesting)
If you get a PowerBook and it comes with any Omni Group stuff, make sure you save the license files. They're in /Library/Application Support/Omni Group.
new life into iBook 500 (Score:5, Informative)
Everything is much faster. Mail.app has to reindex, Preview will now be my pdf viewer, and the calculator actually remembers which mode you quit it in. Sorry I paid for Koalacalc. The network panel is informative and rather than a clicking party.
Only drawback is without Quartz Extreme my Expose is doing about 3 fps, but it still does what's needed.
Only grip is that the new finder windows w/o toolbars have a very subtle facing - then you enable the new finder windows in full regalia, and they get the old brushed metal, which looks rough in comparison.
my night of panther (Score:2, Interesting)
I received my copy of "Panther" via FedEx at 11AM... so I spent the afternoon backing up and installing Panther on my two laptops (a 15" AlBook and older iBook SE). The install was three disks long (when will they start offering a DVD?) and rather uneventful.
I really dig the new "Expose'" feature, fast user switching and the capability to easily/seamlessly encrypt my home directory. I plan on testing the windows printer share capabilities in a few minutes...
However, my "Night of Panther" was spent watch
eye-opening night (Score:2, Interesting)
In other news... (Score:3, Funny)
MacDaddy in Modesto, CA (Score:3, Interesting)
As far as the OS goes, it's by far the best one yet. With each new release of OS X, there have been reviewers going on about the massive speed increases over the previous versions... but this is the only upgrade where I have actually felt the massive speed increase. This, along with numerous other interface improvements, make it worth every penny (I paid full price).
For example, I thought I would hate the new Finder, but it's really great, and I find it more usable than the 10.2 Finder. If you don't like the sidebar and/or the brushed metal, you can make them both go away with a click of the toolbar widget. Once they're gone, the Finder behaves pretty much exactly like the OS 9 Finder, a throwback I (and the spatial-finder dude at Ars Technica) really appreciate. Expose's coolness factor is matched only by its utility. The guy who runs MacDaddy said I'd be loving it on a 12" iBook screen, and I really am. The application switcher that pops up in lieu of the Dock is pretty much lifted from Windows and KDE, but is so much cooler because it displays icons in their full 128x128 glory.
Now the only thing I have to wait for is an update to XPostFacto so I can put it on my Beige G4. I don't think I'm ever going to bother with installing 10.2 or below on anything again.
Re:MacDaddy in Modesto, CA (Score:3, Interesting)
I already use a USB mouse and getting a KB would be trivial. I just need something that will force the installer to put Panther on my drive.
It would be interesting to use a supported machine to install Panther, then try booting that drive in an older un-supported system. Anyone have such a confi
Exposed (Score:5, Funny)
It singlehandedly erased all my negative engrams upon first usage.
I commonly have ten applications and 25 windows open. Expose rocked my freakin' world. When I tied it to the right side button on my Intellimouse, my brain trancended to a spiritual level shared only by archangels and certain select saints. Once I came down from that, I had a full and satisfying orgasm with every subsequent use.
I AM NOT EXAGGERATING!
Well, OK, maybe a little.
Oh, and the new customizable finder bar in conjunction with the dock makes life good.
And for the first time I find labels cool. I never even used those back in the ghastly pre-OSX days.
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Panther is fabulous. Finally. (Score:5, Informative)
After using 10.0 for a few months, my mind started melting away and Apple released 10.1. Yay.
After using 10.1 for almost a year, my sanity for a sane user experience started wearing thin. Finally Apple released 10.2, which was also much snappier. And it was something to rival OS 9 in a give-or-take competition for usability vs. stability, with Jaguar clearly winning.
But Panther just blows the doors off of.., um, not sure which doors I'm talking about. Let's put it this way in terms of performance. I used xbench to measure before and after the upgrade.
10.2.8 scores
CPU: 65.14
Thread Test: 35.3
Memory: 63.7
Quartz: 66
OpenGL: 60.5
UI (aqua controls): 57.87 (18.51 refresh/sec)
10.3.0 scores
CPU: 78.87
Thread Test: 60.95
Memory: 103.96
Quartz: 102.62
OpenGL: 78.6
UI (aqua controls): 141.58 (45.54 refresh/sec)
Totals:
10.2: 57.75
10.3: 85.19
Yes, HOLY CRAP this Mac is faster! My Q3A framerate jumped 15 fps (using the Q3 G4 beta). And the UI experience is much much smoother now, really the way OS X should be. Most notably, sheets and other window animation is VERY fast, and they now properly supplement the user experience, instead of just being eye candy. The Dock still sucks, but you can finally hide apps from the Dock contextual menu.
So, if you're sitting on the fence, jump off. If you thought Macs were slow, they just got a bit faster.
First impressions. (Score:5, Interesting)
Upon installation, one interesting thing happened: the machine happened to kick into sleep mode, because I was away while it asked for disc 2. That's the first time I've ever seen an OS installer ever do that. Sure, they just boot to OS X from CD and then do an installation, but still pretty cool. Also, my machine didn't reboot after install, it was ready to use immediately, and no required reboot after doing Software Updates for iTunes and iSync. Expose is probably my favorite new feature, overall, though. The speed improvement is quite noticable on my upgraded G4 1.2Ghz (used to be a G4 400Mhz).
Re:First impressions. (Score:3, Informative)
Panther Released into the Wild (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Consumerism at it's worst... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Material World (Score:5, Insightful)
Life would crumple, because it wouldn't be as much fun.
These people aren't lining up and throwing parties because expose and fast user switching are going to change their lives. They're throwing parties because they want to throw parties, and the release is a good excuse to get all the mac users out there for some fun.
The guys who wait in line for an hour are not spending an hour of their lives to get OS X a day earlier, they're spending that hour hanging out with friends, making new friends (they all have something in common-being fans of the os-so it's a good way to meet people), and enjoying themselves.
The "cult of consumerism" is a real problem only insofar as consumers allow themselves to be exploited. Some may argue that Apple's policy of charging full price for annual upgrades is exploitative, but there are many who feel the pricing isn't unfair. Do the math, and it actually beats the cost per year of Microsoft's professional (ie, no product activiation) versions of windows. Apple is not a designer clothes brand selling the same materials from the same foreign country with a more famous label and a tripled price. Neither is Apple a monopoly gouging consumers without alternatives. The consumers in this picture are lining up like partiers outside a club. Look elsewhere if you want to find cattle.
For a hint as to where to look, try Keenan's recent paper, "Modern Dynamics in Consumerism: The Brand as a Proxy for Tribal Identity." It's an intriguing look at the effect of corporate branding on individuals' social lives. Certain social circles share a disturbing number of characteristics with cults, and the cult paradigm is a useful tool in analyzing how the most materialistic among us operate.
But getting back to the party at the Apple store, it worked really well for me, Panther wasnt the only cat I picked up. While we were hanging out waiting for the release, I ran into a girl who was touching up the digital version of her latest painting on her powerbook, and we ended up, um playing with our new kitties together after the party. You have no idea how hard it is to meet other lesbians who aren't raving, battle-axe-wielding, death-to-all-men feminists these days.
So, while the "cult of consumerism" is a real force in modern American society, the Panther release is a very poor example to use. It's just a case of people using a convenient excuse to have a little fun.
p.s. pickup games of medal of honor over airport with the rest of the line rock!
Re:Bugs! (Score:2)
Just remember (Score:2, Informative)
Hmm, haven't noticed these yet (Score:2)
If you haven't already, I would highly recommend filing bug reports with Apple (go to the feedback section of their OS X website). Rumor has it Apple is currently collecting bugs to fix for 10.3.1.
Also, did you do a fresh install or an upgrade. My roommate and I did fresh installs on our machines and really haven't run into any of the bugs you've reported. Moving icons and mounting ser
OT: About Atari (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Already problems with Panther! (Score:2)
Re:10.3 - bleh. (Score:4, Insightful)
There is a problem with Toast 6 and how bootable disk burning is handled in Panther, but as long as you don't want to make a bootable disk in Toast, it works fine from my experience. Just burn the bootables with Disk Utility. I'm sure Roxio has an update for Panther in the works.
It should be noted that I don't run any system hack widgets off someshadysite.com. I'm thinking the problem children with upgrade issues are running hack widgets that need updating for Panther.
Solution: Remove widgets before upgrading. That should be obvious anyways.
Re:Upgrade version VS full version (Score:4, Informative)
Maybe your thinking of a windows upgrade?
Re:Upgrade version VS full version (Score:3, Funny)
Full version, just cheaper.
I know this because Tyler--er, because I used to work for a university.
Re:FORTRAN?! (Score:3, Interesting)
Hehe! But seriously, you must not have any experience with crazy numeric meteorology folks. In a lot of similar textbooks you'll find FORTRAN listings for many of their most efficent algorithms. Many of which would be a complete bear to reproduce in C.
Re:Switching... (Score:3, Informative)
Not to mention the best one. Of course I'm biased, but IMO Xcode is 10 times better than VS. Things like fix and continue, pure genius.
Re:Switching... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Fink? (Score:3, Informative)
I compiled it today, and it works perfectly. Just finished installing MySQL from fink, no problems whatsoever.