Using Macs In The Work Place 593
Kelly McNeill writes "It's been said that bringing a Macintosh into a corporate environment dominated by Windows-based PCs is not an easy task. Once you cut through the corporate red tape, then get through ignorant IT staff you still have to connect and gain access to all the services on the network. osViews editorial contributor Kevin Ledgister took on this challenge and passed the test with flying colors."
Hosting (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Skewed perspective? (Score:2, Informative)
I'm also amused that you make the comment that Windows can connect to any network and be secure. Are you new here? Windows doesn't connect to much of anything securely. Windows also doesn't connect to AppleShare volumes very well. It connects just fine if the Mac or UNIX
Re:Skewed perspective? (Score:5, Insightful)
When was this, ten years ago under windows NT 3.0? Or were you just using an inflexible security model? Nine years ago I set up an NT 3.51 server for a cross platform network and had no issues with the Mac security side. NT was full of security holes, of course, and getting patches was a bigger pain.
2. Mac doesnt have any real kind of client software that allows it to attach to an NT network (much less an AD network). Quite unlike Windows, which can connect to ANY other network (Netware, Apple, Unix, etc), and still be secure.
This is just so many kinds of wrong you need to be slapped.
a. Mac OSX is built off a BSD core, so unless you care to claim Samba is a myth and BSD doesn't network well, you're just talking out of your a**.
b. Yeah, I tried to hook my Windows box up to an NFS share just now. Guess what! It doesn't work out of the box. Tried to connect it to an old Appletalk network. Guess what! It doesn't work out of the box (Server can act as a Appletalk server, but cant connect to another). There's lots of other stuff a Windows box won't connect to either.
This guy needs to learn what he is talking about, but thats a tall order. Its so much easier to just bitch and whine.
Unlike a reasonable and intelligent poster like yourself.
Re:Skewed perspective? (Score:3, Interesting)
1. There should be a way to permanently attach network mappings that automatically show up when you plug into the network.
2. Before #1 can happen, someone has GOT to fix that problem with Finder lockups when you leave a network without unmounting an SMB drive.
You're thinking of Mac OS 8 and 9 which I personally hated with a passion
Tee hee hee (Score:3, Insightful)
Wouldn't the IT staff be the ones who want to make the change to Apple?
Whoops! I forgot, the problems with Windows ensure permanent employment for techies.
Comment removed (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Tee hee hee (Score:3, Informative)
Wel, yeah (Score:2)
That was code for "we'll be happy to support your Linux system as soon as you send us on a two week training trip to Las Vegas"
Re:Tee hee hee (Score:4, Insightful)
Standards are sucky things if you are looking for the most efficient way to perform a particular function in an organization, but they are a necessity if you want to run a smooth and cost-effective operation overall. Would it be best if I could give our people who do graphics Macs, and run our website off Linux, and provide the accounting department with the latest and greatest version of Excel? You bet, they would all love it. But then I'd have to staff the FTE to keep up with three different systems' worth of problems and patches and interoperability quirks and maintain up to date expertise in all of them. And presenting THAT bill to management would not go over well.
I've tried running open systems for people who think they can 'just handle it' and it has never, ever been worth it in the long run. Whatever efficiencies they imagine they are bringing to their own personal job, it has always come at a larger cost to the organization as a whole than any individualized savings have been worth.
Re:Tee hee hee (Score:4, Insightful)
That said, *never* will I let a user bring in a system of their own choice under the "I'll support it, don't worry" guise. If they wanted to spend their time as a sysadmin, they wouldn't be doing something other than working as a sysadmin. It's a job, not something to be done "in your spare time"...
Re:Tee hee hee (Score:5, Insightful)
That's the attitude that baffles me. Instead of giving the users the best tools to do their jobs better and faster, give them all the same tools so IT can do their job better and faster. Is that really a cost effective way to operate a business?
Sounds like a construction company where the carpenter, the plumber, the electrician, and the painter are all given the same basic set of tools and told to build a house.
The problem is (Score:2)
One was working for a small department at a large university. They couldn't afford a proper tech support staff, instead all they could afford was one
Now, it happens I do know about
Apple/Win tech ratio (Score:2)
Point is, Macs take a lot of tuning, too. And they are not designed for ease-of-support as they are for ease-of-use. So Windows software may crash more, but when a Mac crashes, it crashes hard. In my experience.
========
Lol, the Apple guy just wants to keep his job. (Score:2)
Would somebody please... (Score:3, Funny)
Alex.
Re:Would somebody please... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Would somebody please... (Score:2)
Don't worry. Even the article author is running Windows - he's using VirtualPC. I fail to see what is interesting about the fact that you can do all your same stuff if you just continue to run Windows.
Re:Would somebody please... (Score:2)
I suggest government hearings where we bring these Apple users into the bright light of day, and expose them for the anti Micr... um, American scum they really are.
I've integrated Macs into PC offices before... (Score:3, Informative)
ttyl
Farrell
Re:I've integrated Macs into PC offices before... (Score:2)
Re:I've integrated Macs into PC offices before... (Score:2)
Re:I've integrated Macs into PC offices before... (Score:2, Insightful)
You are probably talking about Mac OS 9 or earlier. The name of the game at this point is Mac OS X, now in black fur with its 10.3 version (aka Panther). No need for Netatalk (no need for AppleTalk at all) and TCP/IP is there, in fact the backbone of OS X communications.
Merging a Mac OS X Panther computer in ANY corporate environment today is easy. Just plug and play. You can even store your user directory in a Windows server, like any PC user. TCP/
Re:I've integrated Macs into PC offices before... (Score:2)
ttyl
Farrell
Re:I've integrated Macs into PC offices before... (Score:5, Informative)
netatalk? How quaint :)
With Mac OS X, there's no need to go running netatalk; OS X will speak NFS just fine -- or, if you don't want to go that far, there's always FTP and/or SSH. If you're in a mixed environment, OS X's SMB support is good enough that there's little point in running netatalk in addition to SAMBA.
If you want to see stuff run really slick, install CUPS on your UNIX boxes. Watch all your systems, Mac and traditional UNIX, use SLP autodiscovery to self-configure printers.
A big part of allowing Macs to be easy additions to one's IT environment is simply using actual standards, instead of "Microsoft standards." Generally, Mac OS X does an excellent job of supporting standards that have RFCs associated with 'em. For instance, OS X plays great in an LDAP directory environment. If you're using Active Directory, OS X can still be made to work -- but as with any non-Microsoft OS trying to use a proprietary Microsoft "standard," it's going to be awkward.
It's not that Macs are hard to put into an IT environment. It's that a lot of IT environments have been designed using protocols and tools that only work well under Microsoft OSes, because Microsoft designed them that way. If Ford came out with a car that only worked with a special Shell gasoline, you shouldn't blame Mobil for not being able to fill your tank.
Re:I've integrated Macs into PC offices before... (Score:2)
And this is becoming untrue. As of the latest Panther build, Mail.app supports Exchange. Granted, it seems to use Outlook Web Access, but I still have access to all of the folders that people who pay much more for "Outlook" see. Address Book and iSync are supposed to support syncing with an Exchange server as well, but I have yet to get this to work.
Re:I've integrated Macs into PC offices before... (Score:2)
My home network is NFS-based but I run netatalk just for older computers (guests, usually).
I don't run Samba because... I've never had a Windows computer in my house.
--Richard
Re:I've integrated Macs into PC offices before... (Score:2)
Re:I've integrated Macs into PC offices before... (Score:2)
Re:I've integrated Macs into PC offices before... (Score:2)
Ignorant IT staff is right (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Ignorant IT staff is right (Score:2)
Samba on OSX is great -- if you need to share documents. You cannot launch most any file (or even drag & launch it) from a SMB-mounted drive because whatever bits the OS uses for file identification does not get saved on a Windows filesystem. Even the documents are harder to use -- one can only access them from within the pertinent application, no click-to-open. Very unMaclike.
Microso
Arrogant users are worse. (Score:3, Insightful)
Sorry, but it is the businesses network, their site, hence it is their rules.
If you want a laptop where I work you get a nice shiny new laptop - of the companies choosing.
Why do IT departs demand and are right in declaring what is and is not permitted?
Support.
Licensing.
Security.
Those are the big 3.
I don't care if someone things product A sucks, hell I might agree. However as soon as exceptions are made to the rule for one person it starts a downhill
Garbage (Score:3, Informative)
Not for years. And we're running the most hererogenous small network I've seen for a long time.
Basically, these days, since unswitched networks and 10-base-2 are gone the way of the winds, there is almost nothing that will bring down a well-designed network except operator incompetence or inadequate design due to inadequate funding or inadequate manpower. Which do you have?
'If an employee needs a tool for their
Re:Ignorant IT staff is right (Score:2)
Really? YOu can have ours... I hate it. Since migrating our legacy, reliable, functional application to a delivery via citrix we have heard nothing but complaints. It is unreliable (sessions hang for no reason), and just plain slow. Plus we've had various issues with Terminal Server profiles becoming corrupted (at random) that keep users out of their (business critical) Citrix app.
Frustrating?
I have to say one thing. (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:I have to say one thing. (Score:5, Insightful)
A month or two in the laboratory can often save an hour or two in the library.
This seems to be doubly so. Here's my computer corollary:
A month or two of hacking can often save an hour or two on Google.
Re:I have to say one thing. (Score:3, Informative)
http://train.apple.com/ [apple.com]
</Blatant plug>
--Paul
Re:I have to say one thing. (Score:2)
BLEEP BLEEP! Warning, the preceeding was a TECHNICAL point of v
Re:I have to say one thing. (Score:3, Insightful)
Spoken like someone whos never had to admin a large number of users. They picked a standard platform, Windows on Dell. They know about that platform. They have Dells with windows on them that management has bought for them. They can use them as testbeds. I generally hate and despise windows, but the only "unusuable" Dell Laptops I've run into over the years are
Re:I have to say one thing. (Score:3, Informative)
Close, How about: Spoken like someone who's never had one of the user's he was admin'ing be forced to get their own equipment.
They picked a standard platform, Windows on Dell. They know about that platform. They have Dells with windows on them that management has bought for them. They can use th
How dare you! (Score:2, Funny)
Ignorant IT staff?
We here on the IT staff are exceptionally bright and well-informed. And don't you forget it!
What is a mac, anyway?
My Personal Experience (Macs Rule) (Score:2, Interesting)
Full Text (Score:5, Insightful)
"It's been said that bringing a Macintosh into a corporate environment dominated by Windows-based PCs is not an easy task. Once you cut through the corporate red tape, then get through ignorant IT staff you still have to connect and gain access to all the services on the network. osViews editorial contributor Kevin Ledgister took on this challenge and passed the test with flying colors."
For the last two years, I have had to use a Dell laptop at work running Windows 2000 in a mid size company with 300-400 employees. After suffering through several complete rebuilds, blue screens, as well as dealing with patches and security upgrades, I decided that enough is enough.
I ordered the brand new 12" PowerBook on my own and decided that this would be my daily computer to replace my Dell. Quite a few people were curious at this silver beauty compared to the generic charcoal laptops on their desks -- and some even said that their next system will be a Mac too.
As I've come to learn however, integrating a Mac into an all PC world is not without its challenges.
IT Ignorance
The first challenge was dealing with an IT department that was completely ignorant of the Mac platform. Although they were helpful and curious about the Macintosh, they really couldn't offer much help so I was on my own. At my place of employment, they use Active Directory and after doing a lot of reading on the subject, I realized that it was not going to be the easiest transition.
When my PowerBook arrived, I immediately plugged a network cable into it, but for some reason, it was not being assigned an IP address. I checked all the settings and they were correct. I even plugged my laptop into a router outside of our network and it worked fine. But inside our corporate network, I would only get a 169... number which meant that I wasn't getting one from the network server.
I downloaded ADmitMac from Thursby hoping that it would help connect me to the laptop but that required a valid IP address as well so I still was left out in the cold.
Frustrated, I connected my PowerBook using the phone line by my desk and dialed into our corporate network, which was slow, but at least I could browse the Internet and check email to our Exchange servers running Outlook for Windows under Citrix. No one was able to help explain why this was happening. Not Apple, nor our IT department.
Ups and Downs
After two days of this, I got disconnected again from the phone connection but iChat stayed active and I was still getting messages! I opened up the System Preferences and suddenly I had an assigned IP address. I ran to the IT department asking for an explanation for what they did, to which they replied, "Nothing."
So now I had high-speed access to the network but not all was solved.
I still couldn't browse network shares and I tried joining our Active Directory domain using Admit Mac but it wouldn't let me join. So, I fired up Virtual PC, installed Windows 2000, and asked an IT person to join Win2k to the domain and it worked. I was also able to browse the network using a Citrix client but this was still hokey.
Little did I know that ADmit Mac didn't work because I didn't have rights to join a computer to the domain. But a week after I got all this up and running, I accidentally chose the Connect to Server function when I meant to go to a folder and Voila! I could see network shares!
I don't know when this happened but I could now browse through the servers and mount them on my desktop. I ran back to IT again asking if they had turned on Services for Mac, which I had asked them to consider. Again they said that no changes were made to the network at all.
Another unsolved mystery perhaps but I didn't care. No longer would I need to go through a Windows interface for network share
Re:Full Text (Score:2, Insightful)
Now for my comment on the story:
Dude you were usign a Dell what did you expect performance-wise? If you'd had a good PC you'd have been able to have more than 4 apps open (I use up to 10 at once on my home PC) without a hitch... And you wouldn't have had to shell out the extra cash for a Mac...
Heck if you were unheppy with windows you could have gone linux... Going Mac just seems like the worst choice in this situation...
Re:Full Text (Score:3, Insightful)
Silly me.
Re:Full Text (Score:2)
If they're competent, they would know whether or not they have set their DHCP service up properly - or at least be willing and capable of checking when the question arises.. Of course, in my experience, that's often way too much to ask of IT.
In case of /. effect, read this post. (Score:2)
Contributor: Kevin Ledgister
Posted Oct 12, 2003 - 04:10 PM
"It's been said that bringing a Macintosh into a corporate environment dominated by Windows-based PCs is not an easy task. Once you cut through the corporate red tape, then get through ignorant IT staff you still have to connect and gain access to all the services on the network. osViews editorial contributor Kevin Ledgister took on this challenge and passed the test with flying colors."
---
For the last two years, I have had to
Re:In case of /. effect, read this post. (Score:2)
Seek Approval - Seek Denial (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Seek Approval - Seek Denial (Score:4, Insightful)
I'm a Mac man myself, I sympathize... but even though you're using a Mac (more secure), you're compromising network security. If you were my employee I'd write you up at the very least.
Re:Seek Approval - Seek Denial (Score:2)
If he's a contractor, or a 1099 person, then the company cannot provide him with the tools he needs to do his job. This includes a computer, a phone, or even a permanent work space. Them's the rules. Check with the IRS.
Re:Seek Approval - Seek Denial (Score:2)
This is true, but the key there is permanent. I did a lot of 1099 work for a game company (showing my age here) porting PC games to the Commodore 64. They couldn't give me any of the above named items directly, but I was allowed to use someone else's cubical, phone, and computers. The IRS doesn't unilaterally ban access to comp
Re:Seek Approval - Seek Denial (Score:2)
The ones that were home for the weekend.
And connected to AOL accounts.
And contracted Blaster.
That's right. You should write this asshole up for compromising network security.
Re:Seek Approval - Seek Denial (Score:2)
And I'm calling bullshit on you. Contractors normally provide their own equipment. In some cases it's illegal to do it any other way.
"Unused IP" (Score:2)
IT should (and do) love Macs (Score:5, Interesting)
It's not always the IT staff that doesn't want the Mac in the door. I'm Director of Information Technology for a good sized company with offices on three continents. We were recently spun out from what is essentially a government lobbying body. It's all Windows, top to bottom.
Or it was. When we had to replace the Exchange server that was part of our former parent, we got an XServe. We've now got three, in two locations. About a third of our U.S. based employees use Macs, and that percentage is growing.
Tomorrow, I have to meet with the CEO and explain what the hell I'm doing (I'm hoping this article and posts will save me some research!). I'm assured by the CTO that he's open minded about it, but just thinks it's really "odd" and wants to know why. I hope that's the case.
It's not always the IT folks that're "ignorant". I know more Macs mean lower admin costs and greater reliability. And I know what having Unix workstations means to the R&D work. But some of the upper management has doubts... mostly, I suspect, because they'll need to explain it to the board, who's likely to be even more conservative.
Oh... and all our internally-developed software is Windows-only as well. The new CTO has already agreed that we're changing that. And we've got budget to ditch the few IE dependancies on our web site.
Sometimes we get to move in the right direction.
Re:IT should (and do) love Macs (Score:2)
I'm not talking about MS Orifice, Graphics, Scientific apps, the ones we have open source replacements for, but boring call-centre applications, f
Re:IT should (and do) love Macs (Score:3, Insightful)
learning time on a mac for applications related to business is tiny. everyone who's made the switch has been up to ~90% productivity in a few hours.
even if your assertion that IT would get called for every issue were true (which it's proven not to be already), the total number of issues drops so dramatically as to still save time (and thus money).
i'm not sure where this anti-IT rage comes from, but would you really rather large companies not have one? and require each individual to be
Now its mostly bias (Score:2)
Now with OSX thanks to FBSD and Samba, it's not too big of a deal. (Its still not perfect
I do admit we only have a few Macs, but I'm sure having a lot wouldn't be that much different.
It's called standards (Score:5, Insightful)
Can't always batter the Braindead IT Department. Companies have standards for a reason. I can't trust that J Random Developer knows how to secure his shit. In fact, I would always, 100% of the time, bet that he doesn't. After seeing some of the poorly maintained, hacked 10 ways from sunday developer desktops I have, my default policy would be to say "no".
Re:It's called standards (Score:2)
An incompetent IT staff attempts to standardize on a single platform across all computing environments. That reduces IT costs and makes life easier on IT. It invariable rais
Re:It's called standards (Score:2)
Re:It's called standards (Score:2)
The reason for a homogenous environment usually is hardware support. Your nic fried? Replace it, 0 driver configuration. No worries. You KNOW the nic worked since you replace it with identical hardware.
One deplyoment to rule them all. (Score:3, Informative)
As the system administrator for the project, that best part is I can roll back any changes. Say, if apple were to release a bad update, I could just remove the overload and everyone would be back at say, a working 10.2.7.
Let's see you do that with windows.
Re:One deplyoment to rule them all. (Score:2)
Active Directory provides facilities for the distribution of software to workstations and users based on policy. Users can choose what they want off of the list which displays in "Add/Remove Programs". All system updates can be deployed (and rolled back if needed) using SUS. Not only that, I have full control over every single machine within the domain, and restrict or grant access to nearly any part of Windows on a per-user or per-computer basis.
Remote Installation Services gives me
Diverse environment. (Score:2)
Just because it works great on day one doesn't mean it'll still be great on day 100.
That's the main reason our IT dept
You know.. (Score:2)
In all honesty, if your company PC suffers like this, your IT department is to blame. [anecdotal evidence warning:] I've been using Win2k for over a year now at work, and I do a large amount of *dangerous* work (editing severa
Re:You know.. (Score:2)
I'm doing the same sort of thing (Win2k, 512M RAM, running SPSS with data files of about 400M to 600M). The system gets flaky sometimes, particularly if I leave it running overnight. Sometimes, though, it
Re:You know.. (Score:2)
Slow news day? (Score:2)
I'm also not impressed by the knee-jerk bashing of the IT department that doesn't know Macs. The IT department's job is supporting hardware/software the company owns, not whatever the employees could ever want to have. Neither the author nor Apple could say why his Powerbook wasn't getting an IP, but for some reason only
Too funny (Score:2)
I agree.. this article stinks (Score:2)
The Triumph of Standards (Score:3, Insightful)
In other words, if you do not have a Dell computer with Windows 2000/XP on it, the IT staff does not want to hear from you.
At the same time, they really don't give a care what you use on your desktop. Which, since I work for a company that does a lot of security work, actually makes some twisted sense. We have people running around the place running everything from Windows to GNU/Linux to OpenBSD (which is the OS of choice for our penetration testers), as well as quite a few OS X users.
So how does the IT staff handle this? Well, the first part, as I said, is if it's not the "official company approved stuff", they don't talk to you about it.
On the other hand, everything else tends to work because they system is set up to follow most open standards. They follow the DHCP proper configurations (and, if you've ever worked with Windows DHCP, you know there are ways to make it so that UNIX based machines will not be able to fully work within the environment depending on what settings you mess with). The Intranet runs on the https port, and they don't have any javascript/flash or anything that would prevent somone who's connecting via a slow VPN link and just using Lynx to log their hours to have a headache.
I've read the stories of the "well, if so-and-so brought that kind of machine into the building, we'd fire them!", then those same companies complain of rampant viruses because of their monoculture.
To a man with only a hammer, everything looks like a nail. But for those places which have the "this is the Support System - you can run whatever you like, as long as it a) has antivirus, b) you don't try to get around the firewall, and c) you don't bug us to support your weirdness", the employees are emplowered to get whatever tool they need to get the job done. Part of the company's system is 0% interest loans to employees to buy their own computers, which encourages them to buy their own stuff and use it for work (such as my Powerbook, or my Pen-Tester's BSD laptop, and so on).
It seems to work in my company, and except for 1 quarter in 30 years, we have yet to not make a profit. And we don't worry about the IT staff except when we have to.
the last hurdle (Score:2)
ignorant IT staff (Score:3, Funny)
Adopt Macs. Fire ignorant IT staff.
Windows administrators are the Model T mechanics of today.
Too much drama (Score:2)
Mac and PC play together just fine (Score:2, Informative)
Why I Switched. (Score:5, Interesting)
On the linux side, which I love and use for all of my server applications, things just aren't user friendly enough for an office workplace as a deployed solution. I wouldn't ever expect a system administrator to have any interest in troubleshooting my linux box. The flaw here lies in the obscure methods for installing software, what happens to that software once it is installed, and how the heck to run that installed software when it doesn't show up in a dock menu somewhere.
Prior to OS X, I hated the macintosh platform. The kludgy way things had to be done, the strange finder, the weird apple icon that was the bitbucket for everything on the system. I just couldn't stand how hard they were for me to use. But now, ever since they did the whole Mac+Unix thing, I have been quite curious but cautiously hesitant at throwing down the big dollars for a substantial desktop machine. This is the point of the story when I have to employ Apple to create an envoy of 'trial macs' to rent out to users to experience what life is like with OS X compared to windows or linux.
I recently changed jobs from a Windows NT/2000/XP/Whatever house, to a mostly Mac Only shop. In the interviews I was quite interested as I met and chatted with the system administrator about their infrastructure, etc. I was immediately very happy that I would have a day to day opportunity to goof around on OS X while working. I do mostly web and database development, which doesn't tend to be platform dependent.
After the first day of using OS X at work, I fell in love with it. That's all it took. A whole entire day where I could focus on work and my tasks at hand without having to even think about the operating system--except for how cool it was. Everything from the standard Terminal App, that allows you to select text, hit Command+C to copy it, then Command+V to paste it in another app, to the slick way I can download and compile most linux/unix based apps that I need to run on my system, made this OS the OS of choice for Getting Work Done. Things just worked the way I expected them to when I expected to.
If I hadn't been given the opportunity to spend an entire day working on an Apple, I probably never would have taken the plunge and purchased one. Yeah, they're damn sexy. But the price point alone scared me away from trying one. You can get the equivalent PC for half the price. You just can't get the experience. I'm telling you, Apple needs to build more apple stores with "Try it for a day" cubicles available for check out. Come in, sit down, and see what it is like to work on a Mac for a day. It really would change minds. A lot more than demo machines in CompUSA playing the new lord of the rings video on that 23" panel display.
I still use Windows at home for things like games, or when I get really bored with having a computer that doesn't randomly die on me. But, to be honest, I don't think I have turned that computer on in 2 months. I use Linux on my dedicated web servers and love those machines to death. The real deciding factor here is the fact that OS X allows me to focus on work instead of the strange things I have to figure out how to fix with my OS.
It isn't without bugs, and my system hangs every once in a while. Maybe once every 2-3 weeks. Nobody is perfect. But for those people who label themselves as geeks, I really think that OS X is the way to go when you want to get down to business. I don't think I could live without it. Just sit down somewhere and give it a try. It is different, but sometimes different can feel good.
When do you think I can get my own Switch commercial?
-S
Re:Why I Switched. (Score:4, Insightful)
(changing with X, but still it takes a lot more effort to really mess with the system than on windows)
Um, any basis for saying this? And is this a compliment or a complaint?
But I guess pressing enter is much more difficult than pressing command+C.
This is EXACTLY why so many people HATE Windows. Copy is supposed to be C-c (on Windows). Who was the genius that decided this one application should use "Enter" to do the same thing?
(part of my reliability may be due to the fact that I don't use any virus protection software most of the time - I'm convinced it does more harm than good.
And you're calling OTHER people incompetent? "No viruses yet, must be just lucky I guess!" You better hope that's some super duper magic firewall you got running there.
Peace be with you,
-jimbo
Corporate build? (Score:2)
Gotta wonder if there's something shady about the way their IT department configured the Dells. This hardware should be more than enough to run a dozens apps, even if some are outlook, project, etc. Makes me wonder how things would look with a clean install of 2K or XP for comparison.
Done it (Score:2)
For what its worth there is one Mac in our organization. I have it, and I am the SysAdmin. Most of the workstations are Windows (mix of versions) a few are Redhat Linux, and the servers are a mix of Redhat Linux (app servers) and OpenBSD (IS systems).
What makes it so hard? (Score:2, Funny)
1. Purchase Macintosh
2. Take out of box and set up computer
3. Turn Macintosh on.
4. Set Up Networking controls.
I don't see what's so hard about it.
The sad reality of it all (Score:2)
Re:The sad reality of it all (Score:3, Informative)
Exactly. They THINK they are doing the right thing. But they've been so out of touch with what's going on in the trenches they don't really know what's going on. They're more interested in reporting to the CFO, CTO, etc to say "yeah, everything is ok". And maybe I should stop saying "they" considering I was one of those decision-makers.
THIS GUY IS AN IDIOT (Score:4, Informative)
> network and it worked fine. But inside our corporate
> network, I would only get a 169... number which meant
> that I wasn't getting one from the network server.
ifconfig --renew
That will solve his problem lickety-split
> I still couldn't browse network shares and I tried joining
> our Active Directory domain using Admit Mac but it
> wouldn't let me join.
> don't know when this happened but I could now browse
> through the servers and mount them on my desktop. I
> ran back to IT again asking if they had turned on Services
> for Mac, which I had asked them to consider.
What is he *doing* with ADmitMAC? It's simple, click on Finder, select "Go" from the menu and select "Connect to Server". No need for "Services for Mac" or any other BS.
> Then I downloaded Outlook 2001 for OS 8-9 and it
> connected instantly and ran much smoother than either
> of the two methods I used previously. The only downside
> is that Outlook for Mac does not render HTML email
> properly. But that is a small price to pay.
The name for the OS X version of Outlook is ENTOURAGE. He'd know this if he actually bothered to get Office X (which was probably pre-installed on his machine as a 30 day trial anyway).
Did he even TRY to search the net for tutorials on how to get his machine hooked up to a windows network? It *really* is NOT hard. I'm probably being a bit hard on the guy, but COME ON. It's a completely new OS and he's treating it like the 10 years out of date OS 9.
Never a Problem (Score:3, Interesting)
When my computer (a dual 1.25 Ghz MDD with 1 GB of RAM) arrived, the whole of the IT department was there, at my desk, to greet it. Since none of them really knew how to get it to connect to their network (Windows NT), they let me have the first go. They watched, in amazement as the OS X setup took me through the network settings when I created my account. All I needed from them was a IP address number for my computer, and a few other numbers for the router, subnet mask, etc.
Needless to say, I showed them, without anymore settings involved how I could "see" the entire network and connect to anyone's computer via SMB and the proper password.
It was seamless No trouble at all. The only hurdle I faced was geting my Microsoft Entourage to work with the Exchange server. Now, some of those very same IT guys have bought some Macs of their own for home use. They were pretty blown away when I showed them the Terminal app.
Re:not feasible (Score:2)
Re:Is SMB support fixed yet? (Score:2)
If anyone cares.
Re:Is SMB support fixed yet? (Score:2)
FYI, I have have no problems with the 3 hard drives in my rev 1 Yosemite, using the Apple-supplied Adaptec SCSI card. And 3rd party IDE cards are cheap.
Re:Is SMB support fixed yet? (Score:2)
Re:I Have an Idea (Score:2)
Oh, and any TCO studies have shown that Macs are much cheaper than PCs in their lifetime. Not to mention that the top of the line mac is cheaper than the top of the line PC.
Re:Only cooked studies (Score:2)
Do research and don't talk out of your ass.
Re:Only cooked studies (Score:2)
Re:I Have an Idea (Score:2)
Re:Anytime someone doesn't want what you like.. (Score:2)
Why should making the job of the IT staff easier be the objective of a business? Last I checked, the objective of a business was to make money. If making money means IT's job is a pain in the ass, then so be it.
In most companies, IT is so stuck on its own efficiencies that it fails to realize that an efficient IT shop is generally a sign of an IT shop out of alignment with the core business
Re:Anytime someone doesn't want what you like.. (Score:2)
A small company, of course, can run just fine on one OS. There is not enough diversity in their workflows to require multiple operating systems. Once the diversity in workflows and working culture becomes sufficiently divergent, you cannot run a business efficiently on a single OS. I have consulted to a lot of Fortune 1000 comp
Re:Mixed results (Score:2)
2004 is definitely an improvement.
Re:Linux ain't that easy as well ... (Score:2)
Co-worker walks by, looks at monitor,
Co-worker: "Is that Excel?"
Me: "No, its OpenOffice spreadsheet" (or Gnumeric)
While your answer is completely factual, it makes you sound elitist. It also makes it sound like OpenOffice will take a steep learning curve for your Excel-addicted co-worker. (which probably explains his ultimate reply)
How about any of the following replies instead:
Because it's easier to use. (Score:2)
Why is SAS 8.2 on the Mac not an option with VPC?
Re:Are you kidding me? (Score:2)
Where is it that you work? Can I apply?!?
We get this all the time. This director's kid needs to print out a report they did with some version of some oddball software they have at home, he has it on a disk now get it printed. Oh the kid forgot to put line #'s on all the pages. Well can't you just edit it for him and re-print it, it's due tommor