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Apple Releases Darwin 6.7, 6.8 72

Posted by pudge from the makin-copies dept.
PowerMacDaddy writes "In an ongoing effort to keep the FreeBSD core of OS X open source, Apple has updated Darwin to 6.7 and 6.8, which corresponds to the OS X 10.2.7 and 10.2.8 updates, respectively. Source code is available."
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Apple Releases Darwin 6.7, 6.8

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  • Question (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Znonymous Coward ( 615009 )
    Is Darwin better than *BSD?

    • Re:Question (Score:5, Insightful)

      by altp ( 108775 ) on Wednesday September 24, 2003 @12:12PM (#7045780)
      Is Knoppix better than Redhat?

      I think the question should be more about what you need rather than which is better.

      Altp.

    • Re:Question (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Elwood P Dowd ( 16933 ) <judgmentalist@gmail.com> on Wednesday September 24, 2003 @12:24PM (#7045963) Journal
      Is Darwin better than *BSD?

      No. It's just a little different. It uses a different kernel. It has a different architecture for device drivers. It uses a NetInfo to store various configuration information.

      It doesn't have FreeBSD Ports (a simple way for users and administrators to install applications). It's got it's own thing instead, which isn't as good (yet).

      The reason I'd use BSD is for FreeBSD Ports, so I think the folks using Darwin are mostly just doing it since no one else is, and it's geeky.

      It also makes sense if you're primarily interested in administering a MacOS X network, but I don't see why you wouldn't spend the cash on Mac OS X Server.

      • Re:Question (Score:5, Informative)

        by geggibus ( 316979 ) on Wednesday September 24, 2003 @12:56PM (#7046372)
        It uses lookupd, which uses a set of software "agents" to get informations. There are agents for NetInfo, NIS, DNS, the files in /etc (Flatfiles), LDAP and internal cache agent.

        NetInfo is usually the first place to look for things(after the cache..)

        (if i understand this correctly)
        • This is veering off-topic but since you brought up Lookupd and the previous poster brought up NetInfo I thought I'd ask anyways. Has anyone else noticed lengthy delays when doing things like sshing or ftping to another host. The delays I'm seeing on all the OS X boxes I've used are anywhere from 4-8 seconds of unexplicable delay between issuing the command network access (checked with a sniffer on the receiving end). The same delay is also done in return when, for example, you ssh or ftp to an OS X box.

          • Re:Lookupd slowness (Score:2, Informative)

            by geggibus ( 316979 )
            This might help you..

            lookupd -configuration (shows current config)
            lookupd -d (interactive mode)
            man lookupd (No comments.. ;)

            The lookupd config files/netinfo data does not exist(?) afaik. So you will have to create them yourself in order to change the lookup order.

          • Re:Lookupd slowness (Score:2, Informative)

            by sld126 ( 667783 )
            Make sure forward & reverse DNS are working correctly. If not, this will cause OS X to pause, I guess while it considers its options.
            • The pause is the two second DNS query timeout.

              It makes two-three queries -> four to six seconds.

              It's very common. Fix it by either fixing DNS, or creating a complete hosts file.

              At one point, I was asked by an employer to create a 500 line hosts file nightly via DNS, and then push it out to all the boxes. If we ever lost DNS (it happened once), those 500 boxes wouldn't be hosed until DNS came back up. The one time DNS died, it worked remarkably well. It's actually not a horrible idea.
          • On occasion I've experienced a delay when I ssh to a server in Ann Arbor (I'm in Oregon), but that usually happens only when the internet has just been connected (after I've rebooted my flaky DSL router) or after a fresh boot, and sometimes after my Powerbook wakes up from a long nap. But at all other times, no problem. But I'm not running any unusual daemons in the background, and my box is not setup to ssh into.

            I'd like to segue from that into asking if anyone knows whether it's possible to set up the

            • you need to set your router to forward the ssh port (23 I think) to your machine. to configure the router just put the router address into your browser(you can find the router address in the network control panel).

              To be able to find your computer try dyndns.org. they offer your own domain name like mysite.dyndns.org, and they have a client that will update your domain with your ip address periodically , this works great if your ip changes a lot.

              This is just off the top of my head, so google around if you
            • In my first 2 cases the machines were statically assigned nodes on (at the time) my campus LAN. I'm also seeing it on a dynamically assigned dialup box (faster CPU too). It's very odd.

      • Re:Question (Score:4, Insightful)

        by hraefn ( 627340 ) on Wednesday September 24, 2003 @01:15PM (#7046634) Homepage
        It also makes sense if you're primarily interested in administering a MacOS X network, but I don't see why you wouldn't spend the cash on Mac OS X Server.

        It makes sense if you have an old PC lying around...

      • Re:Question (Score:5, Informative)

        by mtalbot ( 648227 ) on Wednesday September 24, 2003 @02:53PM (#7047801)
        BSD Ports for Mac OS X (and Darwin) can be found here: http://www.opendarwin.org/projects/darwinports/ [opendarwin.org]

  • 10.2.8 (Score:4, Funny)

    by nocomment ( 239368 ) on Wednesday September 24, 2003 @12:24PM (#7045975) Homepage Journal
    But, will your ethernet stop working if you use it?

  • 10.2.8 (Score:3, Funny)

    by GoRK ( 10018 ) on Wednesday September 24, 2003 @12:25PM (#7045984) Homepage Journal
    Perhaps they are trying to get the public to fix the 10.2.8 problems that led them to pulling the upgrade :)

  • Not exactly news (Score:5, Insightful)

    by babbage ( 61057 ) <cdevers@cis.usou ... minus herbivore> on Wednesday September 24, 2003 @12:34PM (#7046081) Homepage Journal

    The recent botched 10.2.8 updated included a kernel upgrade, from Darwin 6.6 to Darwin 6.8. So while the news here is that the kernel update is, apparently, available as an independent download, the question remains whether or not this kernel release had anything to do with the problems people are having with 10.2.8.

    Obviously there have been questions about the updated ethernet drivers, but because so many things changed with the 10.2.8 release, and because the bug reports have been so varied, it's hard to know if the new kernel is buggy, and it's easy to suspect that the ethernet driver may not have been the only component at fault.

    It's nice to see that Slashdot has picked up a story that MacSlash ran a day or two ago, but I for one am more interested in hearing about a fix for the damage that 10.2.8 brought with it for many people. When are we going to get a patch for that?

  • Already Upgraded (Score:5, Informative)

    by billatq ( 544019 ) on Wednesday September 24, 2003 @01:03PM (#7046475)
    I've already checked out the source and updated to the new kernel and it seems to run fine (I wanted to apply the nosleep patch on the KisMac web page so that I can run it with the lid closed for short periods of time). Of course, I have an iBook, so I'm probably not affected by the ethernet problem screwing up some of the other models. I'm happy that nothing like Cisco VPN magically became broken in this release also.

  • In other news... (Score:5, Funny)

    by ZackSchil ( 560462 ) on Wednesday September 24, 2003 @01:08PM (#7046550)
    Darwin 6.8 sequesters all available computing power and peripherals, sets fire to your house, kills you and you family, and on certain machines disables the ethernet port. Users in Soviet Russia, however, appear to be afflicted with amusing juxtapositions of the aforementioned flaws.
    • Depending on how all those MMORPG cases turn out, I think I might sue the mods here for THEFT OF KARMA. Had I given it out in a troll, that would have been one thing. I didn't, it was a joke. Chill back.
  • In an ongoing effort to keep the FreeBSD core of OS X open source, Apple has updated Darwin to 6.7 and 6.8, which corresponds to the OS X 10.2.7 and 10.2.8 updates, respectively.

    So, when they don't update it, it would become closed somehow? I don't get it.

    • Re:Does not compute. (Score:4, Interesting)

      by FredFnord ( 635797 ) on Wednesday September 24, 2003 @01:39PM (#7046966)
      > So, when they don't update it, it would become closed somehow? I don't get it.

      When they don't update darwin to match the updates in MacOS X, the FreeBSD core of (the current release of) MacOS X isn't open source.

      Even for an annoying nitpicker like me, that was a perfectly reasonable sentence.

      -fred
  • Has anyone been following the source's development closely-eg: what updates beyond the security fixes were included in the kernel?
    There had purportedly been a memory leak in 10.2.6 (corresponding to Darwin 6.6)-any confirmation of that or a possible fix in these lastest versions of Darwin?

    JGG

  • re: not exactly news (Score:3, Informative)

    by dwightk ( 415372 ) on Thursday September 25, 2003 @08:06AM (#7053934) Homepage Journal
    I don't think there is anything wrong with the kernel... I did the update, and everything works fine... it sounds like some kernel extensions were messed up...
  • it seems that all that was royally messed up was that ethernet driver. most of the other problems seem to be the ones that always seem to crop up that don't make any sense ("i installed the update, and the left half of my monitor caught fire. i repaired permissions, rebooted, deleted safari's cache files, and the fire went out.")

  • Okay, I admit i am just way too cheap to upgrade. US$129 to upgrade to 10.2.x [apple.com] no thanks.

    Is it possible to compile the latest darwin kernel and use it with 10.1.5?

    I see bomb boxes

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