Apple Pulls 10.2.8 Update 240
physicsnerd writes "Apple has apparently pulled the Mac OS X 10.2.8 update from Software Update. The standalone updates have also been pulled. There have been reports of problems with 10.2.8 on iMacs and eMacs." People have also reported network problems.
Even with extensive beta testing... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Even with extensive beta testing... (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Even with extensive beta testing... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:new OpenSSH vulnerabilities? (Score:3, Informative)
"CAN-2003-0693" refers to the vulnerability.
OpenSSH vulnerabilities not a likely reason (Score:2, Informative)
Beside, why pull the update? Smarter to release a separate (much-smaller) openssh patch afterwards rather than hold back the entire, ~40 Mb 10.2.8 package.
As a fellow dialer-up I feel your pain at the ever-larger updates. Fortunately, I have bandwidth at work and can bring home the standalone packages on a ZIP disk from an office Mac.
Odd... (Score:2, Informative)
*knock wood*
Are we certain this is an [e|i]mac-specific issue?
Re:Odd... (Score:3, Informative)
However, the complaints on Apple's internal boards indicate issues with Ethernet connections. I use Airport, and it's fine.
Re:Odd... (Score:3, Funny)
Wow ! You have first post iMac ?? Holy bananas, I want one of these !
(sorry, couldn't resist)
Re:Odd... (Score:3, Informative)
Which I also have been hitting since updating my Lombard.
Three or four reboots ago.
blah.
No problems here (Score:3, Informative)
I've used the ibook quite a bit since I updated it and everything seems fine so far. The battery indicator has the same problem someone else here mentioned of showing only half as much battery power as you would expect, but my battery has been flaky lately anyway due to another problem so I didn'
new ssh fix? (Score:4, Funny)
Awww Crap.... (Score:5, Informative)
No problems, encountered but I installed the updates and ran a Repair Permissions afterwards.
The only problem:
The PowerMac screen saver went to sleep and would not wake up after the Software Update mandatory reboot. I had walked away from the machine after telling it to reboot and did not even login to it. It froze with the screen blanked. I ended up SSHing into it from another computer and doing a sudo shutdown -h now then powered it back up. This is when I ran the Repair Permissions.
The PowerBook was upgraded after this and it didn't have a single problem. I didn't have a chance to test it though.
Hope they roll out an updated 10.2.8 soon so whatever major bug(s) were let loose; would get reined in quickly.
Serves me right in not waiting 2 days before I applied the updates. Some were having problems but most were do to people running haxies.
Re:Awww Crap.... (Score:2)
Same here. My DP 1.25Ghz MDD seems to be doing just fine with 10.2.8. If you look at the Apple support forums there have been some recent posts about the update causing battery problems in some laptops.
Thank heavens for the compulsives (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Thank heavens for the compulsives (Score:2)
Slashdot paranoia pays off! Who knew?
Well.... (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Well.... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Well.... (Score:2)
Re:Well.... (Score:2, Informative)
Good thing I was too busy to get the 10.2.8 update when it first came out that I completely missed it.
CyberDave
Re:Well.... (Score:3, Funny)
Of course it's exciting, it was posted on slashdot [slashdot.org].
Seems to work for me (Score:3, Informative)
I did the 10.2.8 update on my G4 PowerMac. After the initial reboot and before I had a chance to actually do anything, my keyboard and mouse stopped responding. But a power cycle later and things seem to be working fine. I've since run a couple Classic apps (mainly the scanning software for a Canon), plus OS X Photoshop 7 and connected to a couple Samba shares on a Linux server. The only network connection is wired Ethernet.
I should have thought to try and ssh in before cycling the machine, but I didn't. So, for all I know it could have either been just the kb/mouse, or it could have been the entire machine, that froze up.
Totally offtopic Classic question - help? (Score:2)
If you were logged in... (Score:2)
Well, or the clock program is dead. But that seems unlikely.
-fred
Software Update (Score:2, Informative)
Ethernet problems... (Score:4, Informative)
I upgraded last night and then rebooted. Everything worked fine. Then this morning I suddenly lost all Internet access. Tried to renew the DHCP lease, and that failed. I rebooted and things are working (for now).
Other problems: The Firewall pane of the System Preferences says I already have a firewall running and therefore it will not let me change/configure it.
All in all, most OS X upgrades have been pretty problem-free for me. It sucks these things happen, and they should not happen, but...
Something else funny - right before the machine went down I was complaining on IRC about the new SSH patch and how I was going to have to take down my machine again for that.
Re:firewall problems not related to 10.2.8 (Score:2)
Glad they pulled it! (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Glad they pulled it! (Score:2)
Re:Glad they pulled it! (Score:2, Insightful)
I'm guessing that this release was originally supposed to be 10.2.7, but incompatibilities and build problems on non-G5 machines neccesitated a bipartitite release.
I've had no problems on my iBook so far, but haven't tried ethernet. My Sonica even works.
Re:Glad they pulled it! (Score:2, Informative)
There is a much more extensive program than just seeding this to developers. Developers are mostly responsible for the leaks that hit the rumour pages, but Apple has a core group of hardcore users that it uses to seed pre-release software to.
I was part of the 10.2.8 group, and we had no problems with it; the ethernet problems I've heard about only happen when you
Re:Glad they pulled it! (Score:2)
Re:Glad they pulled it! (Score:2)
If you look carefully at the linked board, one person solved it by booting from the diagnostic CD and doing the extended test. After that it *should* boot normally again.
Wacom problems (Score:4, Funny)
Every.
Time.
I log in, and
Every.
Time.
I log out.
Man, this sucks. Not as bad as not booting, but it's a constant annoyance.
Re:Wacom problems (Score:2)
You might get away with just moving it or renaming it also, depending on how Mac OS X locates it.
Re:Wacom problems (Score:3, Informative)
Mod parent up!!! +20 Informative (Score:2)
Re:Wacom problems (Score:2)
If you do, then, well, damn. I'm puzzled.
luckily I'm on Airports everywhere (Score:2, Interesting)
Also I noticed that my second monitor arrangement went away.
I was thinking that these things must be complex and difficult to test every option. Still it sounds like they screwed up on this one. Ah well...
Apple please post security fixes then QA rest (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Apple please post security fixes then QA rest (Score:2)
Re:Apple please post security fixes then QA rest (Score:2)
Downloadin and installing SSH will not effect any future OS upgrades. It's not a kernal leval patch, just a program patch.
Re:Apple please post security fixes then QA rest (Score:2)
Uh. No. It isn't. Unless you think that 10 and 1 are the same number.
(Hint: They're not.)
Apple's getting back to responsible software versioning, a refreshing change from what we've seen in the past few years.
Battery Timer (Score:5, Interesting)
It doesn't appear that the battery time itself was affected, just the way it calculates how much time is left.
Re:Battery Timer (Score:4, Interesting)
Yikes. Thanks for the heads-up.
-psy
Re:Battery Timer (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Battery Timer (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Battery Timer (Score:3, Funny)
1) Eat Batteries
2) ???
3) Profit!!!!
Re:Battery Timer (Score:2)
Re:Battery Timer (Score:2)
I've never figured out why.
PowerBook G3 "Lombard" problems... (Score:2)
Some have suggested repairing disk permissions via Disk Utility (which I'm in the process of doing) while others have suggested removing 1 of your 2 RAM modules (assuming you have two installed)
I think that the problem has to do with having
Re:PowerBook G3 "Lombard" problems... (Score:2)
Re:PowerBook G3 "Lombard" problems... (Score:2)
This is most definitely NOT the case. I've used every version of Mac OS X, since pre-10.0 (DP 3) up to Panther, on my Lombard PowerBook and there has NEVER been an issue with having two RAM modules installed and I've had two RAM modules (384 MB) installed since I've owned the PowerBook.
Also, you say that the problem "...only shows up when using OS X..." This, then, by definition is not a hardware problem, but a software one. If it was a
how likely is a 10.2.10? (Score:3, Funny)
they haven't gone over a ??.??.9 release since... well.. I can't remember when. Can you?
Re:how likely is a 10.2.10? (Score:5, Funny)
Er... doing fine on 2 older G4 towers...
Re:how likely is a 10.2.10? (Score:2)
Re:how likely is a 10.2.10? (Score:2)
How about an explanation? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:How about an explanation? (Score:5, Informative)
"We have temporarily removed the Mac OS X v10.2.8 software update while we resolve an issue affecting Ethernet networking on small number of Power Mac G4 desktop systems. We anticipate that the issue will be resolved soon," said the statement in its entirety.
The full article can be found here:2 8pulled/index.php?redirect=1064334986000 [macworld.com]
http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2003/09/23/10
Physicsnerd
Damn upgrades. (Score:3, Funny)
Sorry, but it's kinda appropriate (Score:4, Funny)
MS Office v.X problems... (Score:3, Informative)
This may imply something important is broken in the OS, or in the latest Office. In either case, it's important for Apple to keep it working.
Re:MS Office v.X problems... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:MS Office v.X problems... (Score:2)
Re:MS Office v.X problems... (Score:2)
This sounds to me like Apple did a small mod to something in the underlying system and people who have haxies (which arnt supported) are now getting the brunt of the burn (like the guy above who noted about them). Not a garentee, but it is a though. I havnt modded my ibook at all cause I use it for work.
This update was a disaster for me (Score:5, Informative)
Like a lot of other people, this update seems to have completely screwed up ethernet networking for me. A lot of the reports I've read (Apple's site [apple.com] Slashdot comment [slashdot.org], MacFixit article [macfixit.com], MacSlash [macslash.org], etc) suggest that people with dual processor G4s running 400-500mhz are having a lot of problems, and a broken driver for the Intel gigabit ethernet chipset has been blamed -- though I haven't seen anything that conclusively says that this component is at fault. Other reports have come from people running faster G4s & PowerBooks, so if the Intel ethernet driver is a cause, it doesn't seem to be the only cause. All I can say personally is that my dual G4/450mhz is definitely messed up right now.
The best remedy I've seen so far is to restore the pre-10.2.8 version of the AppleGMACEthernet ethernet driver. If you can -- and for most people it'll be too late for this advice to do any good -- make a backup of the .kext driver before updgrading to 10.2.8, then use that to rebuild is things go awry. For everyone else, your best bet is to download it from Andrew McPherson's MIT site [mit.edu], either by establishing a dialup connection, by booting into OS9 and getting it from there, or by grabbing it with another machine and transferring it to your broken Mac by e.g. a burned CD, a Zip disc, etc.
Here are the repair steps, as slightly modified from McPherson's suggestion at Apple's site [apple.com]:
This advice is close to that which McPherson suggested, but he recommended deleting the broken driver, and the commands I give above make a backup just in case. If all goes well you may remove that ~/enet_backup directory, but I have a hunch that somehow you're going to have to end up re-installing it, so keeping a copy around seems prudent to me -- and it's not like it even takes up that much space (well under a megabyte).
Other people have reported success with other solutions. One proposal was to run the command "ifconfig en0 media autoselect", but in my case that didn't work. Others have suggested rebooting, zapping the PRAM a few times, then letting the machine boot again; others have said that that didn't work either.
Replacing the driver, as described above, seems to be the remedy that has had the most success for the most users -- but even still, it isn't working for everybody. In my case, it has allowed me to reconnect to my PPPoE/
Re:This update was a disaster for me (Score:2)
10.2.8 kernel panics with MOTU drivers (Score:3, Informative)
Re:10.2.8 kernel panics with MOTU drivers (Score:2)
Pulled? Wow. (Score:2, Interesting)
I hit the Ethernet problem myself (and most frustrating it was, too), but replacing the driver (as described elsewhere) worked a treat, and I've had no other issues with 10.2.8 at all. No obvious benefits, either, though...
Re:Pulled? Wow. (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Pulled? Wow. (Score:2)
Re:Pulled? Wow. (Score:3, Informative)
Yes, they pulled System 7.5.4 after some problems were discovered with the updater. It barely made it into the market, though.
I believe they also pulled one of the 10.1.x updates, but I can't remember which.
I'm quite happy with 10.2.8. It finally fixed my USB!
Pulled updates (Score:2)
I'm pretty sure 10.1.2 got pulled and turned into 10.1.2.1 right damn quick.
Cost my wife a day of her time! (Score:2, Interesting)
She finally gave up and pressed restart.
BAD!
The Finder now could not stay up. This was now an unusuable system.
So we tried Disk First Aid. It found plenty of errors and said it was fixing them - each time it was run. But it wasn't really
So she spend most of the day constructing a new system on an external hard disk. Luckily little was lost, except her time.
Not a hap
Re:Cost my wife a day of her time! (Score:4, Informative)
If this gives you an error that says that the filesystem is mounted read-only, then do:
Now do:
And the applicaiton launch problems should be gone.
Re:Cost my wife a day of her time! (Score:3, Informative)
You're right that most of the time, Jaguar does do a prebinding fixup in the background when it something incorrectly prebound. That assumes that the prebinding isn't so badly hosed that it can't launch, however.
At least in my case, when 10.2.2 (or was it 10.2.3) did this to me (after crashing during optimization), doing an update_prebinding fix
Problem on a G4 dual 867 mhz (Score:3, Informative)
I ssh'd in and tried killing various processes but nothing worked...couldn't even reboot!
Only thing that worked was a hard restart (holding down the power button) and then running fsck a couple of times.
Everything is OK now but that was most un-Apple like.
Re:Problem on a G4 dual 867 mhz (Score:2)
Cube - DHCP etc: no probs (Score:2, Funny)
Any other Cube owners without problems? Maybe we could start a support group...
FIRST CAN'T POST! (Score:2)
I did notice that the "Network Info" widget in Konfabulator no longer shows my WAN address. Otherwise no problems on my 733 Quicksilver, and still buying a 15" Alum. PB.
"How many reached instantly with glee?" (Score:5, Insightful)
Any wise Mac user who has seen the crippling tendencies of at least two prior OS X updates knows better than to crow about them, let alone apply them on the same day they're released. Except in the mind of fanboys, the age of the 100% trustworthy Software Update has yet to arrive.
It's pretty easy to avoid getting burned. Ask yourself: is my Mac working? Do I need this update today? Have I waited a few days to see what happened to the early adopters and, er, the glee club? ;-)
Re:"How many reached instantly with glee?" (Score:2)
Re:"How many reached instantly with glee?" (Score:2)
I'll voluneer one that bit me: 10.2.5, released on April 10th disabled support for USB hubs. If you had gear on a hub, as opposed to directly connected, it stopped working.
It wasn't fixed until 10.2.6, on May 6th. That's almost a month unable to use peripherals.
That said, it looks like Apple learned their lesson. When they discovered this ethernet problem they pulled the update. So, that's a step in the right direction.
The cynic would
No problems here.. (Score:2)
iBook 800: OK
Graphite 400 AGP: OK
The only anomaly I saw on two of them was some of the documents on my desktop had the wrong icons after the post-install reboot. They went back to normal after another reboot.
Needless to say, when the revised update surfaces I won't rush to install it on any machines at my clients. The three machines that I did today were non-critical.
~Philly
The next update (Score:2, Funny)
Revolution 7.1 (Score:5, Informative)
Security updates (Score:3, Interesting)
I warned Steve Jobs.. (Score:4, Funny)
Damn you Murphy!
Oh the irony (Score:2)
No problems with my 15" PB (Score:2)
My 15" 400Mhz 1st generation Bowerbook G4 (now nearly 3 years old) is doing just fine with 10.2.8.
This will serve as a wakeup to me to be sure to give Panther a week or so before I plunk down the cash and roll the dice with system stability.
Stutters (Score:2)
Re:Stutters (Score:2)
Re:Stutters (Score:2)
Add another success (Score:2)
Mirror? (Score:2)
Thanks!
Found it!! (Score:3, Informative)
Re:The QA people must have been having (Score:2, Funny)
Re:No wonder they pulled it (Score:3, Insightful)
I have installed AirPort cards in several TiBooks. And I have never had it take longer than 10 minutes to do so, and with absolutely none of the difficulties you purport to have encountered. And maybe if you had bothered to do even a little research on the procedure, you could have saved some time by learning that you needed to deal with the antenna lead first. or even the very basic fact that the card is meant to go internally (wasn't the $20 install fee clu
Re:No wonder they pulled it (Score:2)
1. Now pay your friend for the damage you have done to her computer by unecessarilly filing, snipping and apparently bending bits of her computer.
2. Refrain from calling yourself the "Computer Guy" until you are at least moderately clueful
Re:My Update Worked Fine (Score:2)
Eating worms again? Good protein source. But you'll find more of them on a Windows machine - you could starve trying to live off of Mac worms.
Or did you mean "bated breath?"