PowerMac G5 Picture Gallery 111
NivenHuH writes "Bill Noll, an independent photographer, took some interesting pictures of his new PowerMac G5. Talk about Mac Zealot!"
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Equal Time: The Alternatives (Score:4, Funny)
Perhaps nobody told these people they could have a UnixWare license and half a year's support for the cost of that G5 machine. And UnixWare PC hardware is cheaper than Windows and Mac hardware both, since it only runs on older hardware.
Great send-up (Score:3, Funny)
Sure, I'll take the G5 over Bad Boy Asher Bond's Pentium box in a heartbeat, but give me the parody site over the original's puffery and fetishizing any day.
Re:Great send-up (Score:4, Insightful)
No. Or perhaps yes, in that the fetish holds the greater power.
I dare you to find me a man who enjoys the Mona Lisa a tenth as much as the fetishist enjoys a woman's shoe.
Re:Great send-up (Score:3, Insightful)
I remember a Mac commercial, for the iBook I believe, where Ken Nordine did a voiceover, asking "Is it possible to fall in love with a computer?" Yes it is. For the average Mac user, this seems to be the
Ken Nordine? (Score:2)
Re:Equal Time: The Alternatives (Score:3, Insightful)
http://www.apple.com/g5processor/ [apple.com]
Re:Equal Time: The Alternatives (Score:1)
The new iMac's still the best looking of the Apple family, anyway.
No big deal (Score:5, Funny)
Re:No big deal (Score:1)
That's what I get for trying to check it out with a recent Mozilla build on Linux when the plug-in (Flash I'm guessing) was compiled with an older g++. *sigh*
Re:Bill's 'Friend' (Score:3, Funny)
"See man Asher Bond just hooked you up with an extra 1 gigabyte man! It sits right up here on top of the case for state of the art ventilation. How ya like me now!?!? "
Re:funny (Score:1)
Wow. (Score:2, Insightful)
Other interesting pictures of the G5... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Other interesting pictures of the G5... (Score:3, Informative)
Not Safe For Work.
NSFW.
Re:Other interesting pictures of the G5... (Score:2)
Re:Other interesting pictures of the G5... (Score:1, Funny)
9 Fans? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:9 Fans? (Score:5, Informative)
According the Jobs (paraphrased): "You might think '9 fans? Oh my god' But it turns out the opposite is true. We've gotten the noise down to 35dba at room temperature, 3x quieter than the latest G4".
Re:9 Fans? (Score:1)
Re:9 Fans? (Score:2)
My recent Dell 400SC purchase has a total of 2 fans, 80mm + 92mm. You can hear the hard drive seeking over the fans. My fridge is louder from the next room over. see FAQ [aaltonen.us] about it.
Re:9 Fans? (Score:2)
Regardless, I'd take a noise/performance ratio test between a Mac and any comparably equipped Dell any time.
Re:9 Fans? (Score:1)
G5 is slower than Dell if Dell is benchmarking them, just like G5 is faster if Apple is doing the measurements. At least Dell does not announce that they are coming out with the *fastest* desktop computer ever every single time.
Re:9 Fans? (Score:2)
Re:9 Fans? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:9 Fans? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:9 Fans? (Score:3, Funny)
Room temperature? Are there actually enough people that keep their computers in non-room locations for them to specifically point this out?
I can imagine visiting a friend and them showing off their new G5: "35dba in a room was just too much to handle, so.. we expanded on to the house a bit and now keep it j
Re:9 Fans? (Score:1)
Re:9 Fans? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:9 Fans? (Score:1, Funny)
Re:9 Fans? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:9 Fans? (Score:2)
I assumed that, but still, 9? I have three fans in my case, and I have a 67W processor, hot video card, and 3 hard drives.
35dba? That's not that impressive. My Panaflos are rated at 22dba, and I certainly wouldn't call them "silent". Quiet, perhaps, but not "silent". In my book, silent means "quieter than the
Re:9 Fans? (Score:5, Informative)
The 35 dBA spec is basically useless since it's given without a reference distance. With that in mind, 35 dBA is roughly the sound of a soft whisper at 5 feet (Ref: Martin Hirshorn, Noise Control Handbook). That's pretty darn quiet, assuming it refers to a reasonable distance from the chassis, say 3 to 5 feet.
My Panaflos are rated at 22dba, and I certainly wouldn't call them "silent".Than they're probably louder than 22 dbA. 22 dBA is roughly the sound level at a remote area, at night, with no insect sounds or wind. If you live in a very quiet area, the sound level in your room may approach 25 dBA if your walls are well insulated, and no windows are open. No consumer sound level meter (Radio Shack brand, etc) would be able to accurately measure that low, and many professional level SLM's would have difficultly measuring that low (for example my $1800 TerraSonde ATB Pro has a noise floor of about 25 dB with its stock microphone).
Of course this all completely ignores the fact that measuring the sound level of a sound source that is lower than 40 dBA is pretty hard to do outside of an anechoic chamber since ambient sound levels can contaminate the measurements...
Re:9 Fans? (Score:1)
Re:9 Fans? (Score:2)
Re:9 Fans? (Score:5, Informative)
2) I dunno.
3) Only the dual 2GHz machine has 9 - there are fewer in the single proc models. They have implemented a cooling zone design in the case - different zones have different cooling requirements. It's a really neat idea. The fans are large and rotate slowly, and thus produce virtually no noise. When the case is closed, you DON'T hear them. The aluminum case is unlike aluminum PC cases - the aluminum is very thick. Nice.
The fans are computer controlled.
Go check a system out at your local Apple Store(tm).
Wish I had the money for one, but I gotta get a new car first. *sigh*
Re:9 Fans? (Score:4, Informative)
I think the key is the low RPMs. with it spinning slower, there isn't a "whirrr" sound. Since the sound is not as high pitched, the sound is deadened sooner by the materials in the case.
And Apple a day keeps Gates at bay
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Re:9 Fans? (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:9 Fans? (Score:2, Funny)
Re:9 Fans? (Score:2)
The Cube was also convection cooled.
They can do it, when feasible and appropriate. However, with a new-design tower case that's made to have all sorts of third-party crapola stuffed into it, I doubt it was appropriate. Much easier with the non-upgradeable consumer models.
Noise(9 Fans) .LT. Noise(1 Fan) (Score:5, Informative)
- lower the RPM of each fan,
- lower the air flow velocity,
- lower the total CFM required by all fans, and
- reduce the turbulence of the airflow.
A single fan design has the disadvantage of having to move enough air to cover the worst case configuration of internal components and thermal loading -- ensuring that some air gets to every nook and cranny. With 9 fans in 4 thermal zones, each zone of the G5 is regulated to minimize fan speed whilst maintaining acceptable temperatures. More fans for more fan cross-sectional area also reduces noise. A single fan design requires higher velocities on the blades and airflow and creates more turbulent airflow. Thus, for example, blowing 24 CFM though a single 120 mm fan makes more noise that blowing the same 24 CFM through an array of three 90 mm fans.
The front and back mesh covers act as a acoustic diffusers and help create laminar flow (which is less noisy than turbulent flow). Finally, the flow-through design creates a uniform convective flow over the components versus other designs with more convoluted airflows that create uneven flow or dead-air zones in the case.
Re:9 Fans? (Score:5, Informative)
The old g4 towers used one large sideways mounted fan to blow air over the passive heatsink of the CPU(s) and other components, and the system would even run when the side was open (the motherboard was attached to the side that opened so that it was flat on your desk to facilitate easy upgrades).
The G5's 'zones' are well thought out. Only the dual G5 has 9 fans. The single processor 1.6 and 1.8Ghz only have 7 fans.
Each processor's heat sink is located in the centre of a "wind tunnel" (which is formed by two bulkheads, the motherboard and the clear perspex panel). The frontmost bulkhead has a low speed fan and the heatsink with its 40 metal fins, which are aligned parallel with the airflow, is set back about 10cm (5") from this fan. A further 4 or 5" behind the heatsink is another fan that is rarely switched on. The combination of these two fans and the design of the "wind tunnel" keep each cpu cool enough without having to run the fans at high speed.
I've examined the inside of a 1.6Ghz G5 quite closely (I have a friend at my local Apple store) and I'm impressed by the design - it was obviously very carefully thought out and was only possible because they could design every thing to fit - when you design the motherboard and the case you can ensure that you get the best fit.
The computer is always monitoring and will spin up the rear fan to a low speed when the cpu is working hard to create lower pressure behind the heatsink which promotes airflow over it from the front without having to speed up the front fan. We worked it quite hard and I never saw the front cpu fan spin up any faster or make any more noise than a quiet "swoosh" the whole time, and we were running it with the metal panel removed (but the perspex cover still in place).
An interesting note though - if you remove that perspex cover while the computer is on it automatically spins the cpu fans up to full speed to ensure the cpu doesn't overheat because the wind tunnel has had a side removed, thus reducing the airflow over the heat sink. We called it a "headless chicken panic" since the noise from the fans is very noticable compared to normal running when you almost can't hear them at all and we likened it to the computer getting all confused with its side removed and running round the yard in a daze.
Almost too good (Score:5, Interesting)
That is some awesome photography.
Re:Almost too good (Score:2)
Makes my Canon Powershot pics look grainy. Any ideas what type of camera he is using?
Re:Almost too good (Score:4, Informative)
Sony DSC-F717. More info Here [imagestation.com]
Re:Almost too good (Score:2)
Actually nice photos (Score:3, Insightful)
Too bad he didnt have a fast connection too (Score:1)
i dunno (Score:2, Informative)
Love your Mac... (Score:3, Funny)
I think he's a little too emotionally involved.
This is better than porn. (Score:5, Funny)
Most things look bad on extreme closeups.... (Score:3, Interesting)
Bill sells 'em too... (Score:3, Insightful)
http://www.neoview.com/
However, this is not really mass market retail. His clientele is fairly exclusive. (big name musicians and publishing)
Re:Product photography howto? (Score:1, Offtopic)
Re:Product photography howto? (Score:2)
I've worked extensively with product photographers, and the lighting and shooting techniques used are quite standard fare: large diffused lights, a couple of critically placed spots, a seamless backdrop, and a glass table. The reason you don't typically see images like these is tw
Reason for the beauty? (Score:4, Interesting)
So a serious question is: do the manufacturers now strive to make these machines more beautiful to mnake us forget that they have failed us. Ok, as someone who has read Marx, maybe I should say, is this an attempt to get us to fetishise the commodity more to make up for our human failure to realise their potential in our service?
Re:Reason for the beauty? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Reason for the beauty? (Score:1)
And hey the G5 makes that leisure time all the more productive. Hey wait uh minute!
Dust (Score:2, Funny)
you'll STILLbe a idiot 12 months from now too (Score:1, Insightful)
Anyone that does not take a can of compressed air to their machine every 3 or 4 months and blow
You don't understand (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:You don't understand (Score:1)
Windows and crashing (Score:1)
Re:This makes me want to gouge my eyes out (Score:1)
It's when the staggering unbelievably flawed belief that something that "looks nice" is "better" than the alternatives that is the problem.
For example consider the following statements:
"My lunch is healthier than yours because it tastes better"
"My car is faster than yours because its red"
"My stereo is louder than yours because its Sony"
"My computer doesn't crash because it looks pretty"
Speaking of crashing, another irritation
Re:This makes me want to gouge my eyes out (Score:1)
Re:I wonder how long it took to... (Score:1)
Thought so
Re:My new G5 has many flaws (Score:1, Funny)
You know, no matter how bad the economy gets, as lo