FWB Admits RealPC for Mac OS X was Vaporware 472
reiggin writes "In a press release on their site, FWB's new management comes clean and says that the former management had been lying about an upcoming RealPC OS X release. Apparently, not one line of code had even been written. This is a huge disappointment for anyone looking for an alternative to the now-MS owned Virtual PC (which, incidentally, Apple and Microsoft have said will not initially run on a G5)."
There's always bochs (Score:5, Informative)
http://bochs.sf.net
Re:There's always bochs (Score:2, Informative)
Re:There's always bochs (Score:5, Informative)
Re:There's always bochs (Score:5, Informative)
QEMU is the future (Score:5, Interesting)
The author, Fabrice Bellard, is a madman. Anyone with experience and time should join his team. You can already run Wine on PPC (fast, because of dynamic translation), and they are very close to getting the Virtual Machine (an x86 virtual pc) running on PPC (it runs now on x86).
This project aims at not just being a contender for emulation, but eventually blowing all the competition away due to it's ability to recompile everything into native PPC (or MIPS or
There is a protest over European patents going on, but you can visit the project site at http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/ [bellard.free.fr]
OpenOSX is iffy (Score:5, Informative)
Of course, now I'm glad I never got anything from them.
Re:There's always bochs (Score:5, Interesting)
How fast is it? (Score:2, Flamebait)
What CPU and memory does it require? Can it work on G3?
Re:There's always bochs (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:There's always bochs (Score:4, Funny)
SCO sues FWB for copyright infringement (Score:5, Funny)
New Strategy! (Score:5, Funny)
This strategy was struck upon after it was discovered that the previous strategy of dishonesty and disceit was not as effective as originally hoped.
Look out SCO!
That's OK... (Score:3, Interesting)
Somebody ought to get to work making emulator cards for the Mac that are essentially one of those mini PCs. It'd be pretty cool to have a true dual environment without having the emulation slowdown.
Re:That's OK... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:That's OK... (Score:4, Interesting)
I'll get modded flamebait, but big deal. Its like buying a PS2 because you want to play Zelda the Wind Waker.
Re:That's OK... (Score:4, Insightful)
I think it would be really nice to be able to develop and test web sites on a lone laptop or system... mostly on the go.
The other use of it is if the company is primarily Mac and has a handful of PCs for some functions, being able to test and support PCs under a virtual environment would be nice. Sure it won't be as fast, but it's still an option.
Then you have companies that require software that will only run on PCs... by being able to run the software within a window rather than setting aside space for another monitor/keyboard/mouse and PC unit... that can be quite helpful if desk space limited.
Re:That's OK... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:That's OK... (Score:5, Informative)
- make a
- Services
- Miller column browser for filesystem navigation
- AAT / ATSUI - play w/ Zapfino in TextEdit
- $10,000 worth of fonts (including non-Latin ones)
- Mail.app (decent and safe mail client)
- iApps (iTunes, iMovie, iCal, iSynch)
- colour calibration which really works
By contrast:
- is there any app in a default Windows install which can take full advantage of the spiffy OpenType version of Palatino bundled w/ Windows 2000 or later? (bummer that has Ariadne swash caps instead of the original Palatino swash letters---only available in hot metal, though I did a digital font for a friend who has said letterforms
Moreover, if one adds in d/l'ing and installing free (libre) software, Mac OS X draws even further ahead w/ stuff like TeXShop (pdf editor lite!) and EquationService.app.
William
Re:Congratulations! (Score:3, Informative)
One such example is highlighting a word going to the services menu and getting the definition or highlighting text and putting it into an e-mail message.
Applications can add enhancements to the OS by providing services and placing them in this menu. I used them all the time in NeXTSTEP, but in OS X I find them a bit lacking and they pretty m
Re:That's OK... (Score:3, Informative)
I got a mac, because it's what works for me. I design websites and test them under VirtualPC with Windows 98 & XP along with Linux. Why should I have to buy three boxes to do what some $200 piece of software can do?
It's a big hassle to have three boxes under a desk, just to test a website. The cost justifcation isn't there, once you add kvms, and additional PCs.
Re:That's OK... (Score:5, Insightful)
To answer your question, here's the short list of what I need VPC for:
1. SQL Server Management Tools: Enterprise Manager, ISQL/W, and so on.
2. Outlook to Exchange 5.5 integration. Yeah, Entourage works great for Exchange 2000, but it still don't work worth talking about against Exchange 5.5.
3. Testing sites on IE 6. It's just wacky enough to need separate testing.
4. Various Windows network admin apps (User Manager, Share Management, Server Manager).
All told, I get into it once or twice every 3 or 4 weeks. It's not like buying a PS2 to play zelda, it's more like buing a Torx screwdriver: I don't use it often, but when I need it, I REALLY need it, right then. Am I in it all the time? Nope. But I use it enough to justify buying it (err...making my employer buy it
Hope that clears things up.
Re:That's OK... (Score:2)
Re:That's OK... (Score:2)
When Apple released the Macintosh LC, one of its selling points was the IIe compatibility card (not quite relevant, but hey)
Applied Engineering made two models of their PC emulator card for the Apple IIe/IIgs (i forget what they called it)
Orange Micro made PCs-on-a-card for NuBus Macs.
Apple even made their own PC Compatibility Card for some the Centris and Quadra machines.
Re:That's OK... (Score:2)
Then there's the laptop people like the other reply mentions that like macs but want to be able to run pc software; they can't put in a daughterboard.
legal rights? (Score:3)
Wow...honestly in business. (Score:4, Interesting)
here you go kids, a start (Score:5, Funny)
int main()
{
}
now get to it!
Re:here you go kids, a start (Score:3, Funny)
They already had that part, but they had to rebrand it remember.
And it only took them a week
Re:here you go kids, a start (Score:3, Interesting)
[bigjocker@anacreon tmp]$ gcc test.c -Wall -o test test.c: In function `main': test.c:5: warning: control reaches end of non-void function [bigjocker@anacreon tmp]$
Good thing it didn't compile. If it had, we'd discover whether you have . in your PATH. If you do (why?) you might find that a lot of scripts now throw a wobbly and do interesting things to your system.
Don't EVER create a program called 'test' in your PATH.
Cheers,
Toby Haynes
Re:here you go kids, a start (Score:3, Funny)
G5 motherboard photos (Score:3, Interesting)
Botched Marketing Experiment? (Score:2, Interesting)
With the above statements in mind, and the rest of the article, it's almost like they passed around the idea of RealPC to see if there was enough interest.
So perhaps we can expect vaporware to be a new marketing approach?
Mac vs. PC aside, as an IT
Other PC emulators (Score:4, Informative)
Bochs [sf.net] - Open source emulator with some nice features.
MS Virtual PC [microsoft.com] - Probably the best PC emulator on the Mac. Now owned by the evil Microsoft corporation.
Re:Other PC emulators (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Other PC emulators (Score:5, Insightful)
VirtualPC doesn't need to know anything about Windows(r) features. VirtualPC emulates an Intel ("x86") computer, which you can then install a full (paid) copy of Windows on. One could also install Linux, FreeBSD, or other operating systems.
But now that Microsoft is selling VirtualPC, the above conditions might change. They will probably bundle a special Windows version, and discourage use of others. We might expect it'll become more difficult to install non-Microsoft OSes on top of the emulated environment.
MS obviously has an interest in stelling their software on Macs,
That's not obvious at all. They have 2 goals: sell software, and improve the ubiquity of Windows (which helps sell even more software later). Supporting users of Macs boosts the first goal, but not the second. Microsoft would be better off if there were only one seller of desktop computer OSes.
VirtualPC, in the nearterm, won't really encourage Mac users to buy MS software. The most popular MS programs (Word, Powerpoint, etc) are already sold in native Mac versions. MS has announced no plans to cancel development of Mac Office.
The real danger is the opposite of what you suggested- not that VirtualPC will work poorly with 3rd party software, but that it'll work too well. What if Microsoft uses VirtualPC to convince other software vendors (mainly Adobe) to downsize or eliminate their Mac software divisions? If companies can sell programs to Mac users without writing Mac code, why would they bother to program for two separate platforms?
Then, once Mac-specific development is good and dead, Microsoft can discontinue VirtualPC and kill Apple completely.
(Naturally, they have motivations to keep Apple alive... they wouldn't have to take the plan through to completetion. It could be just another club in their bargaining arsenal)
What in the world are you smoking? (Score:4, Insightful)
You obviously know NOTHING about porting. It's hundreds, nay, thousands of times more complex than your misguided and bizarre impression of it. Mac IE and Office are nothing close to an "easy recompile" of the Windows versions. If this were true, it would mean there'd be no point in not porting anything except for wanting to shut someone else out.
The most important difference is that Windows and Mac use vastly different APIs (Windows's is called Win32, I believe, and the Mac uses Carbon and Cocoa). All the API calls need to be changed, and a lot of data structures have to be changed to the other side's API-specific structures. There are also different interface demands (Apple has particular UI guidelines, like you have to have certain items under certain menus; Windows probably has something similar, but I'm not familiar with it). There's a lot more, but I've never ported anything, so I don't know offhand what it is, and it would go on for too long anyway. And that's certainly more than enough.
Anyway, you're an idiot. They can't just "recompile their software to run on the Mac if they [feel] like it"; that's what the whole Mac Business Unit is for, porting to the Mac. This is, of course, a totally different issue than what the poster is talking about. So, have a nice day!
Dan Aris
PS Yeah, I fed a troll. So sue me.
In the case of some parts of MS Office, was right (Score:4, Informative)
Before everyone freaks out bear with me for a moment:
MS Excel was originally a Mac product. The GUI version of Word too. They were both built using an Apple tool called MacApp. When they were ported to Windows the solution was to stay on MacApp and run it under Windows. This kept on for years and years, even after Apple discontinued MacApp MS kept their own version going internally to support their products based upon it.
Thus for many versions MS Word & Excel were indeed pretty much the same under the hood on both platforms. Indeed this became a big problem for Mac folks when a version of Word looked & behaved too much like it's Windows brother (not cousin: "brother", heck "fraternal twin").
Eventually the effort of keeping the underlying platform going, the amount of customization required for each OS, etc. all finally made the common code base too much effort. That was when they finally made the break a few years ago and yeah, the Windows versions were solidly the flagship products and the Mac one's became re-implementations, albeit with access to the original code for guidance.
Some parts of Office were never common. PowerPoint on Mac was never very closely linked. Access never was brought over, ironically MS even recommends FileMaker on the Mac and builds in support for it on their Mac Office suite. Outlook, there's been a long and ugly history of sorta-products with a new version coming out recently but never has it been a peer with the Windows version.
None of the internet division code ever had anything in common on any platform, or with their Office division cousins for that matter (the boneheaded naming of "Outlook Express" atyer "Outlook" notwithstanding). Indeed when IE 5.0 for Mac shipped it was arguably a far better browser then IE 5.0 for Windows.
So yeah, in the case of the two leading MS Office components, going back a few years ago, there was a common code base and yes, it could have been characterized (loosely) as just a recompile away.
Nowadays that isn't the case at all, and indeed with both platforms having large libraries of components and APIs any "native" application is gonna need a serious rewrite for each platform. Ports from 'nix, easier to do if it doesn't mind being a 2nd class citizen, Java on MacOS X is pretty much peer, but outside of that it's a lot of work.
Re:Other PC emulators (Score:2)
here is the list of distros i was running on my Macs without any emulations:
The winner is of course Gentoo after all, but thatis not the point. The point is that you can install and run several BSD and Linux dostros on your Mac without any emulation. Directly. Fast. Clean. Wi
Bleh (Score:3, Informative)
And if you want a Non-MS Virtual PC solution, check out either Bochs [apple.com], or Blue Label [lismoresoft.com].
Blue Label is a nice, albeit slow, PC emulator for Mac OS 8/9.x. Sadly, Blue Label isn't Mac OS X native, either; but, for people using Mac on Linux, it works fine. I think it will work in Classic, too, so no worries. Bochs, on the other hand, is Mac OS X native; however, it's open source, and therefore takes some tinkering. It does work very well, however.
There -are- alternatives; you just need to look around. =)
Re:Bleh (Score:2)
How slow is Bochs? (Score:2)
Re:Bleh (Score:2)
Blue Label is a nice, albeit slow,
Do you mean that blue Label is slower than Bochs?
Blame it on the previous guy (Score:5, Funny)
"The previous management had made claims in press interviews and on the company website regarding the status and upcoming release of RealPC OSX claiming it was in late beta and about to be released...I am sorry to have to admit that apparently the company has been a party to vaporware when it comes to the claims regarding RealPC."
Reminds me of an old joke...
Stalin is dying, and summons Comrade Khrushchev to his bedside. Wheezing his last few words with difficulty, Stalin tells Khrushchev, "Comrade, the reins of the country are now in your hands. But before I go, I want to give you some advice."
"Yes, yes, Great Leader, what is it?" says Khrushchev. Reaching under his pillow, Stalin produces two envelopes marked 1 and 2. "Take these letters," he tells Khrushchev. "Keep them safely - don't open them. Only if the country is in turmoil and things start going bad, open the first one. That'll give you some advice on what to do. And, even after that, if things start going REALLY bad, open the second one." And with a gasp Stalin breathed his last.
Well, Khrushchev succeeded him, and sure enough, within a few years things started going bad - unemployment increased, crops failed, people became restless. Nikita decided it was time to open the first letter. All it said was: "Blame everything on me!" So Khrushchev launched a massive deStalinization campaign, and blamed Josef for all the excesses and purges and ills of the present system, and bought himself some time that way.
But things continued on the downside - Kennedy successfully rebuffed Soviet missiles in Cuba, unemployment increased even more, crops failed even more, the Politburo was unhappy with Khrushchev's leadership and upstarts like Brezhnev and Gromyko were threatening his credibility. So finally, after much deliberation, Nikita opened the second letter.
All it said was: "Write two letters."
Re:Blame it on the previous guy (Score:5, Funny)
The Company President is leaving after a particularly grim period. On the eve of his departure, he speaks with his successor telling him that if he has any problems there are three envelopes in the desk that were presented to him when he took the reigns of the company and that he should open one of them if he really needs help.
A year goes by and the company is having serious problems that our hero cannot resolve.
He opens the First envelope and reads:
"Blame your predecessor."
He does this and is able to circle the wagons and work with existing management to resolve the problems.
2 more years pass and again the company is in dire straits. He opens the Second Envelope and reads:
"Accept the blame for yourself."
He does this and is yet again able to circle up the wagons and working closely with management and employees is able to resolve the impending crises and bring the company back from the brink.
A few more years pass and we find our hero sitting at his desk gazing at a sealed envelope. The company is failing. people are leaving in droves. He has done all he can. With his last glimmer of hope he opens the third envelope and begins to read:
"First, prepare three envelopes..."
Benifits? (Score:2)
not a line of code... (Score:2)
I have seen vapor'ish-ware.. but not full blown diaphanous-pipe-dream-vapor-ware..
I think this calls for a new definition.. Perhaps "dream-ware" or "never-ware".. maybe "talk-ware"
And what is up with all the Apple news today?
Re:not a line of code... (Score:3, Insightful)
I think this calls for a new definition.. Perhaps "dream-ware" or "never-ware".. maybe "talk-ware"
The term is "slideware" meaning someone made up a presentation, but that's about it... ;-)
And what is up with all the Apple news today?
Apple is doing some really great things lately. My next few thousand or so of hardware money is likely headed in that direction.
Re:not a line of code... (Score:2)
In particular some of our windows guys who have been hounded by us linux users for a long time (can't resist taking a jab at a guy who gets a new worm every other week) are going mac. Looking around I see several new mac laptops in the office.
I think that whole deal with this crap about he slideware, as you call it, is more than likely some investor strategy to make a quick buck.. sort of like what those sco monkeys are doing.. but that is whole different
Then you never saw Ovation. (Score:3, Interesting)
Not just the trade press, but the the mainstream business press was raving about the hot new product, Ovation. It was going to have more rows and columns that Lotus ever dreamed of. It had fabulous screen shots and videos showing how it would work. And it had really, really professional management, MBA's all, who were doing the best job yet of raising financing--something like $7 millio
Sad, Sad, Sad (Score:2, Flamebait)
Vaporware? (Score:3, Funny)
Generic CEOs (Score:5, Funny)
So you never have to update your address book when the CEO of the company changes, because it happens a lot...
Duke Nukem 3D (Score:2)
pseudo little-endian mode (Score:5, Informative)
The G3 and G4 series include support for both big- and little-endian modes. VPC uses assembly-level little-endian instructions for obvious performance reasons. The G5 is only big-endian. Poof.
Re:pseudo little-endian mode (Score:2)
Re:pseudo little-endian mode (Score:4, Informative)
Sorry if I mis-phrased my explanation; the last time I did assembly programming was a decade ago on MC68k.
The exact missing capability is called pseudo little-endian mode [google.com]. According to some old documentation, this will "make memory appear to the processor as true little-endian by playing with the addresses of load/stores, but without reversing any bytes. The result is a fast, simulated little-endian world, but it's not true little-endian in memory - numbers do not have reversed bytes, but their starting addresses are changed."CEO Interview (Score:5, Interesting)
http://macdiscussion.com/article_show.php3?arti
Other news... (Score:3, Funny)
Other news of today:
Duke Nukem Forever has gone into beta, according to a spokesman from 3D Realms: "[Duke Nukem Forever] is good on track, and we are looking forward to the moment the code comes out of beta stage and goes into production."
Rumors about a management buy-out by angry Duke Dukem fans were said to be "(...) completely unfounded and untrue (...)". There were reports of large groups of DNF fans, who collectively put $0.05 in their bank accounts when DNF was first announced; the plan was to use the accumulated interest for the management buy-out.
Time for hardware fix (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm sure Microsoft would go for an OEM bundle approach on XP Home, so that would only add $30 or so (maybe less). What did the emulators cost?
The only downside to this approach is that it involves opening the case and inserting a card, anathema for many Mac people. The obvious answer is a micro-form-factor PC hooked up via Firewire 800, with some (simple) custom software to handle display on the Mac. This should go for under $300.
OK, now that we have a business plan, who's ready to hire me as CTO? :-)
sorta done before (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Time for hardware fix (Score:3, Informative)
Oh, and by the way, "integrated graphics" is a codeword for "cheap crappy graphics chip that satsfies Ma and Pa, but any serious gamer will disable in favor of his own card". Oops, there's no AGP slot on your PC-on-a-card!
What I want to see is Windows ap
Funny (Score:5, Interesting)
This Mark Prewitt who was vice president of sales and marketing is caught pretty bad here.
http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2003/06/10/
"Unfortunately, the same guys that do the development had to do the rebranding," said Prewitt. "We're all wearing different hats. We ended up ceasing development on it for about a week," he said."
Only a week eh? LOL.
Crap (Score:2, Funny)
Why does it matter? (Score:4, Insightful)
The cost of Virtual PC is already close to $199. Unless having a PC is so visually unappealing that you can only have Apple's around.
SunPCi (Score:4, Interesting)
I wonder if Apple would be wise to adopt Sun's SunPCi PC-on-a-PCI-card strategy. All Sun requires is that the customer get their Windows license from somewhere else (Sun is most definitely not a Microsoft OEM).
Why worry about whether Microsoft will release their VirtualPC, when a PowerMac can have a genuine x86 CPU with dedicated RAM? I don't see why Apple can't resell Sun's own SunPCi cards with different branding and driver software. Actually that would be win-win (Sun gets higher volume, Apple gets a really really neat toy to sell their customers).
Re:SunPCi (Score:4, Insightful)
Apple actually did this at one time. They had a DOS card I believe for one of the Quadra models. (I think it was an early 486)
Today though I don't think that would be too wise a move. After all Apple wants people to port software. If people can run the software without the port, then Apple loses. Also one can effectively do this right now through the ethernet card using Microsoft's remote PC services. I have an old PIII I'm using as a server which I control from my Mac when I need the occasional PC program.
Known past & present PC Emulators (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Wine? (Score:5, Informative)
It is an API translation layer, not an x86 emulator. Thank you, drive through.
Re:Wine? (Score:2)
Re:Wine? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Wine? (Score:2)
Re:Wine? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Wine? (Score:5, Informative)
You have to remember though that WINE Is Not an Emulator. It allows Windows programs to run on Linux on the x86 platform but doesn't actually emulate the x86 processor.
So you could use it as a start for a new Mac emulator but you'd have to build the chip emulator to fit underneath that.
JP
Re:Wine? (Score:4, Informative)
Qemu emulates an x86 chip (among other things). It runs WINE. It's been ported to PowerPC Linux. While it's still very young, it shows tremendous promise.
Now all it needs is a port to OS X. Any takers?
Re:Wine? (Score:3, Interesting)
Wine with it's own
For example, I have a crappy database front-end written in Win32.
It spends most of it's time in ODBC and calling Windows
If Wine on OSX had nativly compiled
Re:Wine? (Score:5, Informative)
Wine? *FAST*??? (Score:2, Flamebait)
Bwahahahahaha!
Re:Wine? (Score:3, Funny)
You think that's going to be faster?
Cheaper, sure. In the same way that dog turds are cheaper than chocolate bars.
Re:Wine? (Score:3, Informative)
A wonderful idea, other than for the fact that Wine Is Not an Emulator. From the Wine FAQ:
Re:Wine? (Score:3, Interesting)
If we could get wine ported to mac os x, it may grow faster, being supported by the OS X crowd. In addition, it would have the benefit of greater Windows support for Linux.
That'd be pretty hard to do, I imagine, since Wine relies heavily on the x86 architecture. I suppose someone could come up with an x86 translation or emulation layer, or something. That could sit between Wine and the PowerPC it's running on. I'm not sure how feasible this idea is, though... Just a thought off the top of my head. Any W
Wine through Bochs (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Wine? (Score:2)
That means if you have the source code, you can recompile and get native execution speeds.
Combined with QEMU, that means that at least in theory you could run x86 Win32 binaries on MacOS. I can't comment on what the speed would be like. Probably not good enough for hard core gamers, but perhaps good enough for applications.
Personally, I think it's a
Re:Wine site still open (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Wine? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Wine? (Score:2)
Second: WINE needs to be on an x86 processor - it's not an emulator. Thus, to run on a G5, WINE would have to be run on an emulator like VPC...sounds kinda silly to me.
Re:Now isn't *that* a surprise? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Now isn't *that* a surprise? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Now isn't *that* a surprise? (Score:4, Funny)
I just had this terrible vision of a thousand foot Venn diagram towering over a blackened charred world lit only by buzzing corporate logos, displaying the visual for your assertion, supported on the backs of countless Discrete mathematicians who are happily writing proofs despite the onerous weight of what they bear...
Damn, this is good Diet Pepsi (the essential 12939 formula sans corn syrup).
Re:Now isn't *that* a surprise? (Score:5, Informative)
So could someone drop the "Insightful" mod off the parent comment, and add an "uninformed" one?
Re:Now isn't *that* a surprise? (Score:5, Informative)
Wrong! (Score:3, Informative)
But you are correct in that the guy meant intersection. Your explanation of union just freaked me out.
Also, while logic and set theory share many concepts and relationships between them... logic and set theory are two different things.
Re:Odd that no VPc for G5 (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Odd that no VPc for G5 (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Odd that no VPc for G5 (Score:2, Insightful)
Pfft. (Score:4, Interesting)
Microsoft like doesn't want to give more reasons for people to move to Apple's platform. VirtualPC is really a program for facilitating a transition to Apple's platform from Wintel. Of course, it's too early to jump the gun and say that Microsoft are being anti-competitive.
VirtualPC can't use the native 3D hardware accelleration. There are no plans to. Unfortunately, Microsoft removed the VirtualPC FAQ, so I cannot cite where this is stated.
As for Doom III... it will run on OS X. Carmac first demoed Doom III on OS X. He loves Apple's platform because of the uniformity, which eliminates many nightmares for a game programmer. Trust me, it will be native.
Re:MacOS X ported to slashcode. (Score:2)
Go install fink [sf.net]. =)
Re:Won't initially run on a G5? (Score:2)
Supposedly it needs specific features of the G4, though I'm not sure I believe that. (Though I don't blame MS; they haven't had time to do anything to it yet.)
Re:RealPC? Why not WINE? (Score:2)
It can probably be used to compile native PPC binaries of Win32 apps, if you have the source code.
Re:Bochs Wine (Score:3, Informative)
Writing an emulator is a non-obvious problem if you want reasonable performance.
Re:Apple should have bought VirtualPC (Score:3, Insightful)
Even better, with 8-20 engineers, they could probably finish out the Wine API and combine it with Bochs so that users could run Windows apps without paying any extra money at all, and it would cost Apple a few million less.