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G5s Start Shipping 909

jocknerd writes "Apple is now shipping its G5. The 1.6ghz and 1.8ghz are shipping while the dual processor 2.0ghz will ship at the end of the month."
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G5s Start Shipping

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  • Article? (Score:5, Informative)

    by Richardsonke1 ( 612224 ) * on Monday August 18, 2003 @12:45PM (#6723408)
    You could like to an article, like The Register [] or Apple PR [] itself.
    • Re:Article? (Score:5, Funny)

      by Gothmolly ( 148874 ) on Monday August 18, 2003 @01:14PM (#6723728)
      You must be new here. This is Slashdot. Nobody reads the articles.
      • Re:Article? (Score:3, Funny)

        by Anonymous Coward
        So must you! Nobody actually reads the comments either. You should just post and moderate on random to blend in.
    • Re:Article? (Score:3, Informative)

      by El_Ge_Ex ( 218107 )
      Still waiting for IBM []'s Model to come out. Not much yet.

      • Re:Article? (Score:3, Informative)

        by Warpedcow ( 180300 )
        > Still waiting for IBM's Model to come out. Not much yet.

        They've been out awhile. You can find IBM's Power4 (which the 970 spun-off from) in their pSeries and iSeries machines, I believe. Certainly the iSeries, I've been working with their 6-way i825 all summer. Its a beast! Of course, it also costs a quarter mil or so...
  • by boomerny ( 670029 ) on Monday August 18, 2003 @12:46PM (#6723419)
    anybody want to loan me $3000?
  • by pmz ( 462998 ) on Monday August 18, 2003 @12:46PM (#6723420) Homepage
    I wonder how many lawsuits will be filed by people blown through the walls of their house?
  • ObWhines (Score:5, Funny)

    by tbone1 ( 309237 ) on Monday August 18, 2003 @12:48PM (#6723434) Homepage
    1) One button mouse
    2) I can't afford one because I'm too lame to have a good job
    3) Quicktime should be open source
    4) Ogg Vorbis? Hel-LO!!!
    5) I can't run 12-year old software on it
    6) They should give it away for free
    7) No x86 (though this is actually a plus
    • Re:ObWhines (Score:5, Interesting)

      by TheRaven64 ( 641858 ) on Monday August 18, 2003 @01:01PM (#6723575) Journal
      1) One button mouse

      The one button doesn't bother me, but the lack of wheel does. On the other hand, I now have a logitech (USB) keyboard on my PC which has Apple symbols on the keycaps so presumably works on the Mac. It has a scrollwheel to the left of the keys, which I prefer using since it can be used by any finger easily, which reduces finger strain from stroking the mouse.

      2) I can't afford one because I'm too lame to have a good job

      Yeah, that was a shame. I'd been trying to avoid having a real job, but then when I saw Apple's prices I finally bit the bullet. Now a fully paid up member of the establishment.

      3) Quicktime should be open source

      I don't care if Quicktime is open source, free software, or dictated to a trained monkey by God himself and compiled in secret. It should, however, support full screen video playback without upgrading to Pro for $30.

      4) Ogg Vorbis? Hel-LO!!!

      Hello []

      5) I can't run 12-year old software on it

      Software lasts more than 18 months? Wow.

      6) They should give it away for free

      Well, I really can't disagree with this one. Of course they shouldn't give it away for free to everyone, just me.

      7) No x86 (though this is actually a plus

      More to the point, no x87. Now that is one brain-dead architecture...

  • That box! (Score:4, Interesting)

    by JHromadka ( 88188 ) on Monday August 18, 2003 @12:49PM (#6723452) Homepage
    Once again, Apple releases a product whose packaging [] is almost as desireable as the contents inside! Now if only they would update the Powerbook 15" line.
    • Re:That box! (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Darth Maul ( 19860 ) on Monday August 18, 2003 @12:59PM (#6723556) Homepage
      The box for the iPod is a work of art; the clamshell design is wonderful. I'm just amazed at Apple's attention to detail with something so seemingly trivial as product packaging.

      P.S. - rumour has it that new 17 and 15 inch powerbooks are coming out soon. Head on over to
    • Re:That box! (Score:3, Insightful)

      by doc_traig ( 453913 )

      "Steal me now!"

    • by TheRaven64 ( 641858 ) on Monday August 18, 2003 @01:04PM (#6723613) Journal
      Don't worry, they will. I'm planning on getting a PowerBook in the next couple of months, and as soon as I do they will instantly release a 1.2GHz G5 based version...
  • hmmm.... (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 18, 2003 @12:50PM (#6723457)
    $3000 for a nice new G5
    $699 for a SCO-enchanced Linux kernel

    THAT is the question;)
  • Finally.... (Score:5, Funny)

    by nizo ( 81281 ) on Monday August 18, 2003 @12:52PM (#6723480) Homepage Journal
    a good reason to go out and get a job instead of posting here all day.
  • by kaan ( 88626 ) on Monday August 18, 2003 @12:53PM (#6723492)
    from the Apple store []:


    1.6GHz PowerPC G5
    800MHz frontside bus
    512K L2 cache
    256MB DDR333 128-bit SDRAM
    Expandable to 4GB SDRAM
    80GB Serial ATA
    Three PCI Slots
    NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
    64MB DDR video memory
    56K internal modem


    1.8GHz PowerPC G5
    900MHz frontside bus
    512K L2 cache
    512MB DDR400 128-bit SDRAM
    Expandable to 8GB SDRAM
    160GB Serial ATA
    Three PCI-X Slots
    NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
    64MB DDR video memory
    56K internal modem
  • damnit! (Score:5, Funny)

    by cannes ( 151121 ) on Monday August 18, 2003 @12:53PM (#6723493) Homepage Journal

    i'm still broke from the last apple i bought.. and now they have to make another one.. i can only donate sperm once a week.. that's a lot of clown punching for a cheese grater..
  • In What Quantity? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by TPIRman ( 142895 ) on Monday August 18, 2003 @12:53PM (#6723500)
    The story is pretty useless until we get an idea of the quantity of shipping G5s we're talking about here. I'm betting it's just a trickle. When the PowerBook G4s first came out, the backorder queue remained quite long for weeks after Apple claimed the 'Books were "shipping," because the actual number of units being shipped was relatively small. I hope there's a flood of G5s making their way from Apple's factory in Taiwan, but from previous experience, I bet that isn't the case.
  • by Tumbleweed ( 3706 ) on Monday August 18, 2003 @12:55PM (#6723510)
    Okay, I just noticed this today (forgive me for being slow), but there are 2 potentially-important differences between the 1.6GHz machine and the 1.8GHz machine:

    1) The 1.6 only uses DDR333 memory, not DDR400 (I dunno if it can make use of DDR400 if you replace the DDR333 it comes with). The DDR400 being used in the 1.8 & 2.0 machines is apparently not that great (typical of Apple!). I'm wondering if the mobo can handle some Mushkin 2-2-2 PC3200 RAM if I got it?
    2) The 1.6 can 'only' use up to 4GB of memory, vs 8GB for the 1.8 and 2.0 machines.

    FYI if either of these things bugs you, be warned. Shop smart, shop...S-Mart!
    • by tantalus ( 466821 ) on Monday August 18, 2003 @04:57PM (#6726237) Homepage
      The DDR400 being used in the 1.8 & 2.0 machines is apparently not that great (typical of Apple!)

      Actually, Apple is using very nice samsung [] memory (with a lifetime warranty in the g5s. And if you click on the picture in that link [], you'll see that those are samsung chips on a samsung PCB, which is the same RAM corsair, OCZ, and even mushkin has often used to get outstanding overclockable memory. These manufacturers just test the memory (if you're lucky) and cover it up with a heatspreader, which will void your warranty if you remove it to see what's underneath.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 18, 2003 @12:55PM (#6723516)
    Soon we will have 64-bit laptops.

    Now, some people may feel that 64 bits is not needed; that 32 bits is fine. However, certain hi-end rendering applications are already feeling the confines of a 32-bit application; since gaming uses rendering technology, games will also be feeling the limits of 32-bits in the foreseeable future.

    Another application of 64 bits: Certain cryptographic algorithms (Whirlpool hash, Tiger hash, and the Hasty Pudding Cipher) are designed for 64-bit systems; these systems perform poorly on 32-bit systems.

    The G5 is the first 64-bit computer-dummy-desktop available; in particular, high-quality laptops need to be produced in large numbers, and must be computer-dummy friendly. Hence, this will be the first time a high quality (small, light; tadpoles are neither small nor light) 64-bit laptop will be available.
  • by QEDog ( 610238 ) on Monday August 18, 2003 @12:57PM (#6723528)
    I have a lot of geek friends that have been switching to Apples since OSX came out. They are very good computers, but it is weird to see the geeks and the hip stereotypes converging like this. Has anyone else observed this biblical effect?

    Gen 3:1Now the Apple was more subtil than any beast of the field which the God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every computer of the garden?
    Gen 3:6And when the linux geek saw that the G5 good for Unix, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one hip, took of the Apple thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto the other geeks; and they did eat.
    Gen 3:7And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they weren't using Open Source; and they compiled aprons something using gpp.
    Gen 3:13 And the LinusGod said unto the geek, What is this that thou hast done? And the linux geek said, The Apples are so sexy, they beguiled me, and I did eat.

  • by Dr Reducto ( 665121 ) on Monday August 18, 2003 @01:03PM (#6723606) Journal
    Half the posts here are trolls who say Macs are slow,gay, etc.

    Personally, I wish I had the money to get a G5 for college. My friend picked an Alienware over a G5, but I have a feeling he will regret it.
    • Well, it's very easy. A lot of the slashdot readers put a lot of time, money and knowledge into inferior, yet popular platforms. These are people who stayed up late nights trying to get a kernel to compile or getting a system to run stable after hacking some nuance of the bios which resulted in a 3% speed increase to memory operations.

      And now Apple comes around a makes a machine that's fast, nice looking, and doesn't require all of this extra knowledge and work to use.

      Of course they're annoyed. Of course they're threatened. If Apple's stuff is any good, then they've been wasting their time.

      So they spread FUD about broken applications, inconsequential complaints about how a $600 bargain PC is cheaper than a $3000 high end work station, or slander about how Apples are effeminate. It's all bullshit meant to make them feel better about a perceived waste. People do it all the time...just listen to the arguments people make about the benefits of sinking $10,000 into a $15,000 honda, rather than buy a $25,000 BMW.

      It's childish in a way. Isn't there more to computing than JUST running an OS as fast as possible? If you do your computer stuff in Linux and like it, fine. I use Windows 2000, Gentoo and OSX 10.2 and none of them is better than any of the others for EVERYTHING. Granted, I spend more time tweaking the Gentoo box than either of the other two, but once I'm done I can just ignore it, and let it chug away serving web pages, databases, etc to its hearts content. Admining the 2k box is generally to keep it from falling apart in DLL hell...and admining the Apple machine is usually accepting that "you can't do that" on an apple ;).
  • by Chief Typist ( 110285 ) on Monday August 18, 2003 @01:19PM (#6723792) Homepage
    I've got about 18 months left on a 2 year lease -- thanks for reminding me!

    (Yes, I knew they were coming, but I needed an upgrade for an important project 6 months ago...)

  • What a box! (Score:3, Funny)

    by ( 583077 ) <> on Monday August 18, 2003 @01:49PM (#6724196) Homepage
    I don't care what people say, Apple consistently revolutionizes the computer-packaging box industry. I will be proud to live inside of that beautiful piece of cardboard when the strains of financing the actual computer force me onto the street.

  • by ( 20754 ) on Monday August 18, 2003 @02:12PM (#6724487)
    G5s start shipping? I know this is in error--shipping has been around a LOT longer than the G5s. I think shipping was invented by FedEx in the 80s.
  • Heat? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by heli0 ( 659560 ) on Monday August 18, 2003 @02:28PM (#6724681)
    What is the power consumption of the G5 processors?

    The upcoming P4 3.4GHz is going to consume 103 WATTS.

    Intel document confirms Prescott dissipates 103 W []
  • by mojoNYC ( 595906 ) on Monday August 18, 2003 @03:00PM (#6725030) Homepage
    and you'll know what it's like for a mac user to try to explain the 'difference' between mac and pc (or maybe a better metaphor might be 'try explaining sex to a virgin??)

    here's a clue, it ain't in the processor speed, it's in the software, stupid...sure pcs have the same kinds of programs, but they don't run nearly as well...the latest examples being the iPod, iTunes and the Apple Music Store--each one was being done on the pc, yet Apple came in and changed the game with its products, with an experience that's totally superior in every way (my girlfriend gave me her old iPod when she got a new one--it sat on my shelf for a couple of weeks, until i finally started to use it, and no shit, it changed my life! i can now carry my entire cd collection in my pocket, and the thing works like a champ)'s a tip, to any flamers that say 'so what' about any of these examples, i would bet the farm that they've never actually USED any of them!;>


  • by Kjella ( 173770 ) on Monday August 18, 2003 @04:03PM (#6725678) Homepage
    It comes up every time, and the logic is usually the same: Too expensive.

    The speed limit in my country is 100km/h max. Can you find a single car on the market that can't reach that? No. So then everybody should be driving around the cheapest of cheap cars then, right? Nope. People pay many times that for a car, though it'll get them there no faster (assuming you're reasonably law-abiding and doesn't speed beyond the capabilities of a low-end car). The Mac whining is about as bad as a person looking at a Ferrari, then bragging about how his compact car will get him from A to B just as fast at a fraction of the cost.

    I'm more tempted to buy a Mac now than I've ever been since I moved off C64 to a PC. Perhaps not tempted enough yet (mostly due to applications I know and love), but the scales are definately moving in the right direction.


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