Panther Server to Include JBoss

Mr. McD writes "Seems like Apple is going to be pushing J2EE with Max OS X Server 10.3, again going the Open Source route, with JBoss preinstalled alongside graphical deployment tools. You can see it on the Panther Server page, in the side bar."

Careful

[blackmonday]

Since Jboss is not J2EE Certified by Sun (that's a long-winded upsetting story), Apple can say you can run J2EE apps, but can't claim panther to contain a J2EE application server. Hopefully Stebe will pony up some cash to help the group get certified, since now it's in Apple's best interest.

I develop for Websphere now, would love to try my EJB's on Panther, and get an excuse for my boss to buy me a G5!

excuses

[Tumbleweed]

> and get an excuse for my boss to buy me a G5

I think a great thing for the Apple community as a whole would be to set up a repository of excuses to get a G5 system. I wonder if g5excuses.org is taken...

1) Not subject to the MSBlaster worm
2) Quieter than a G4
3) Non-plastic case
4) Reality Distortion Field(tm) upgraded to be Tempest-proof.
5) Earns good karma
6) No floppy
7) No-button mouse (really, no buttons - the whole mouse is the button now)
8) It makes me happy, and a happy worker is a productive worker!
9) I'll never leave the office again
10) I know where you live...

more excuses

[Tumbleweed]

• Terrorists use Windows!
• Think of the children! Won't anyone think of the children?!
• Carl Carlson likes the Apples, and what's good enough for Carl Carlson, is good enough for me!
• This isn't your grandfather's Apple...
• Frickin' Laser Turret attachment available
• Well, that explains it. Those G4s always were a little twitchy. - Bishop, in Aliens
• Something to attach your cool glowing Griffin PowerMate to
• Sucks less
• Tastes great!
• Based on BSD, not Linux, so up yours, SCO
• Final Cut Pro chased Adobe out of its market. "Ha-ha!" said Nelson Muntz, industry pundit
• NASA likes 'em.
• Better EPS Conduits, endorsed by Geordi LaForge

Re:more excuses

[kchayer]

Terrorists use Windows!

I work frequently with a detective from our local police department, and he pointed out that when the department investigates child porn and similar cases, they never find Macs. That has caused them to coin the phrase, "Perverts use PCs!"

Tragic really...

[cubal]

9) I'll never leave the office again

Sad, but true...

Re:Careful

[Hungus]

Jboss will likely be certified by the time panther ships "update Java creator Sun Microsystems has made an important compliance test available to JBoss Group, the latest maneuver in an ongoing tussle between the industry giant and the upstart open-source software company.

Sun last week offered JBoss Group the opportunity to license a set of testing tools to see if JBoss software adheres to the Sun-sanctioned Java 2 Enterprise Edition (J2EE) specification, according to Sun executives. If the JBoss Group's Java server software passes the compliance test, it can gain certification of J2EE compliance. " from News.com.com article from yesterday [com.com]

WebObjects

[swankjesse]

Does this mean an end to Apple's own J2EE server, WebObjects? It's been stuck at EJB 1.1 and I would like to see Apple abandon that in favour of value-added JBoss services.

Re:WebObjects

[oscarmv]

Not really. WebObjects runs on top of a standard J2EE application server. Either its own or another one.

I don't remember which ones it was certified to run on, but I was told there was people running WebObjects on top of unsupported App servers running on unsupported systems (I remember that one: Linux) without problem.

Re:WebObjects

[tbone1]

Lord, I hope not. WebObjects is about the coolest thing since they re-invented unsliced bread. It's one of those things that costs a few bucks but is worth every darned penny you spend on it.

Re:WebObjects

[danigiri]

Remember a lot of applications on Apple's websites are developed in WO and are being actively maintained.

Check out Apple Store [apple.com].

WO is a de-facto extensively tested and proven rich layer over java that Apple and third parties use to develop web apps (instead of re-inventing and re-implementing on top of plain vanilla J2EE).

dani++

Re:WebObjects

[voixderaison]

No, the inclusion of JBoss does not imply an end to WebObjects. Apple is using WebObjects for major initiatives like iTunes Music Store, as well as .Mac / iTools the online Apple Stores and various internal projects.

You post seems like a troll. (Sloppy Mods Boost Troll to "5, Insightful", Readers Annoyed.) Perhaps you were only careless, and you didn't mean to imply that WebObjects on the whole should be abandoned in favor of a J2EE application server. In fact, WebObjects is a marvelously productive

Postfix SMTP

[Hungus]

Also in the really good news catagory: Postfix will become the default smtp server according to the sidebar. I already use it via fink but this is good news.

Panther (sort of on topic)

[Anonymous Coward]

I've been using an illegally acquired copy of the Panther WWDC seed since just before lunch today. All I have to say is WOW. This is one really, really nice OS.

Expose gestures. Twitch your wrist, and all your windows shrink down and lie flat on the desktop. Twitch it the other way, and the windows fly out of your way like they're reading your freaking mind. So cool.

Fast user switching. Nothing really revolutionary here, but man it's cool.

Built-in faxing. The Mac--and all personal computers as a whole--has needed this for years. It works beautifully. You can click one box and turn your computer into a network fax server, too.

Preview. Better, faster, and smaller than Adobe Reader.

Man, it's just too cool.

Re:Panther (sort of on topic)

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm gonna follow up on my own post here. For those of you who have been reading along at home, I got a copy of the Panther WWDC preview from a friend this morning, and I've been using it on my dual-1GHz G4 (Radeon 9000) for about 8 hours now, off-n-on.

Coolest thing about Expose? The miniature windows are live. It's not like the computer just takes a picture of each window and shrinks it down. They're actually live. Earlier, just to see if it would work, I turned on my iTunes visualizer thing (you know, pretty pictures in the iTunes window). I hit F9... and lo and behold, there was iTunes visualizer running at about 25% size. Amazingly cool. My iChat windows were updating as friends sent me messages, my terminal window in which I was compiling something was scrolling along... it was so neat.

Something else, and it's a little thing that makes a surprising difference: with Panther, Apple sped up the animation of sheets. You know, those slide-down-from-the-title-bar dialog things. OS X uses them a lot, and they're very cool. All Apple did, apparently, was change the animation stepping, but sheets slide around a hell of a lot faster now than they used to, and it makes the computer feel faster and more interactive. Such a little thing, such a noticeable effect. That's cool.

What else? I'm digging the Panther Finder. I didn't think I would, initially, but I am. I like the sidebar thing. It's better, in my opinion, than the toolbar. And the way it automatically resizes itself to fit all the items is just too cool. (If you make your window smaller, the icons and the labels in the side bar get smaller proportionally, and smoothly. Cooool.)

iDisk synching DOES NOT WORK in the build I have. Or at least it appears not to. I tried setting it up earlier, and it took forever to sync, and then it didn't actually do anything. That is, it said it was synching, but nothing actually happened. That was a disappointment, but I'm certain that'll be fixed before Panther releases. The whole synchronized iDisk thing is a good idea, and I'm looking forward to using it.

I find it neat the way System Preferences has been getting steadily SIMPLER from Puma to Jaguar and now to Panther. Instead of it getting more complex (cough*Windows*cough) it's getting simpler. Fewer preference panes, and more efficiently laid out panes. It's good.

InDesign 2.0 does NOT like Panther. The UI comes up entirely in Chinese, and then the app crashes. Photoshop 7 and Illustrator 10 don't seem to have a problem, tho.

Virtual PC 6 may or may not work okay. I haven't set it up yet. I've got a Windows 2000 Server drive with unsaved changes on it, and I'll have to boot back over to Jaguar to save the changes so I can try to use the drive in Panther. That's not a problem; Panther boots so fast, going to Jaguar and back is pretty painless. But I just haven't done it yet.

Oddly enough, LaunchBar starts up about ten times faster in Panther than it did in Jaguar. That might be because I've just got less stuff on my Panther drive--I'm using all my installed applications off my Jaguar disk rather than reinstalling them on my Panther disk--but I'm not sure. I've got it set up to scan my Jaguar disk and everything. It just starts up faster.

For that matter, the whole login process is a hell of a lot faster on Panther, too. I just realized this. When I log in to my account on Jaguar, the machine thrashes for a minute or two as fix_prebinding runs, and Launch Services figures out all the available services and document types and whatnot. In Panther, this doesn't happen. You log in and POOF. You're ready to go. Which is kinda weird. I'm not sure how the machine is accomplishing the same things as Jaguar in less time with less disk activity. *scratches head*

The menus have little dividing lines for separators now, instead of just blank spacers like in Jaguar. It's kind of a retro look, I think, harkening back to the classic Mac OS. It's different, but neither better nor worse.

There's a new application

Re:Panther (sort of on topic)

[tyrione]

Regarding System Wide Faxing:

Circa 1989 NeXTSTEP 2.0 first had this feature and with NXFax you really got to enjoy life, along-side Preview.app that was not nearly what it is today but then that was when most monitors were 2-bit grayscale and not until the 4096 colored NeXTCubes did we get to have more fun.

It's nice to hear that Steve is rolling in every part of OS X that they held back to get right first and then slowly add it in.

I can't wait for the G5 so I can get back to my favorite OS via the NeXT folks and all the efforts the crews have done since the merger.

Re:Panther (sort of on topic)

[Maserati]

It's the "get [it] right first" attitude that I really like. I'm starting to thing of the yearly releases as buying an OS that really is worth the $300 even if it did take three years, that's faster than Daikatana or DNF [1] made it out the door [2].

[1] Duke Nukem Forever will be released the same day that Arnold Schwarzenegger is elected governor of California.

[2] And you'll have more fun with the chess game that comes with OS X.

Re:I dont want to sound like a retard...

[Lebannen]

No real new features per se, but it's all been integrated very nicely from what I've seen from screenshots.

It's actually been rolled in to the print dialog; so hit print in ANY application, hit the fax button, and then either enter a number or use that lovely Address Book integration.

I like technology when it reaches the "well, that's the obvious way to do it" stage.

Here's the (month-old) press release

[Anonymous Coward]

I know /. isn't a real journal or anything, and that its editors have no aspirations toward such, but for God's sake, 30 sec of research resulted in this [jboss.org] It's a month-old press release (linked from the JBoss front page) that makes a much better link for the story.

Re:Here's the (month-old) press release

[Anonymous Coward]

Even earlier release from Apple (as part of the WWDC) is here [apple.com].