Low-power FM Transmitters Banned in UK 562
Acey writes "The BBC News is reporting that the Griffin iTrip falls foul of the UK Wireless Telegraphy Act 1949 (PDF). In short, the iTrip is an unlicensed FM transmitter and that's not allowed. The UK distributor, A M Micro, have pulled the iTrip. More ominously they warn that "Use of the iTrip in the UK therefore constitutes an offence and can lead to prosecution of the User". Guess that makes me an outlaw, because you'll have to pry my iTrip from my cold, dead hands."
Sooo.. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Sooo.. (Score:5, Funny)
I'm sure you meant to say: Any rewards for tuning people in?
How will they enforce? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:How will they enforce? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:How will they enforce? (Score:5, Informative)
They say the range is about 5M (therefore just for personal use) but it is well over 100 metres. So I'm waiting to get busted when I broadcast web radio stations around my house (and over a small portion of town).
Don
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There's a 4:30 in the morning now?
Re:How will they enforce? (Score:4, Funny)
Still as I said you'd have to be within 100m of me, and if you were, I'd move.
Don
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Homer: Chop chop, dig dig, chop chop, dig dig
Marge: You know Homie, there's so much more two wives can do for you...
Homer: I hear digging, but I don't hear chopping.
Re:How will they enforce? (Score:4, Funny)
Geez, these UK guys really take this whole spectrum thing seriously. What's next, forcing people to buy a license to listen to the radio or watch television!? What kind of crazy socialist world is this turning into?
Re:How will they enforce? (Score:5, Informative)
I don't normally flame people on Slashdot, but IMO your knee-jerk pro-authority attitude is the root cause of all our problems in England. Having people with your sort of attitude around is a real drag. The kind of things you want don't make anyone safer, they make life harder and more dangerous for everyone.
Re:How will they enforce? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:How will they enforce? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:How will they enforce? (Score:5, Interesting)
the whole point of a lot of british broadcasting law isn't to protect the listener/consumer, it was originally designed to protect the broadcaster - the bbc. you have to understand that in the uk, unlike the us or europe, the legal tradition has been firmly against private broadcasting.
originally, the bbc was the only broadcaster allowed in the uk - radio being "too powerful" a tool to be left to private interests. but, of course, the bbc sucked and by the '30s most of the uk was listening to european stations - most notably radio luxembourg - with bad reception but better programming. many of the broadcasting laws from the 40s were designed to discourage these "foreign" stations.
by the 60s there were a lot of private broadcasters targeting britain, though, by setting up shop on boats outside the three mile limit in international waters. the notable one here is radio caroline of course. the labour government at the time was simply balistic about this movement but couldn't legally squealch it because of that pesky maritime law thing.
of course, it all came to a grinding halt when a guy called major smedly (who was a bit of a nut job in the first place) pulled a piracy job on a competing station called radio city. eventually, the battle took to dry land and smedly shot and killed calvert. the result was the marine broadcasting offenses act of 1967 which was pretty draconian and the pirate broadcasters were shut donw.
Re:How will they enforce? (Score:2, Informative)
Basically it's illegal to sell infringing equipment to people who don't have the proper licences, and they would go after defiant suppliers.
The authorities could go after an end user, but enforcement of that kind of thing tends to be complaint-led over here; trouble would only ensue if someone managed to cause enough interference in their locality to piss off enough of their neighbours into making proper complaints. Realistically it's not going to happen.
Like hearding sheep over London Bridge (Score:4, Insightful)
No, nobody is going to bother to enforce the law. It it doesn't cause a problem who cares? It is a complete non-story.
Like the ability of Freemen of London to heard sheep (or not) over London Bridge lots of laws lie around long after the environment they related to has changed out of all recognition.
Re:How will they enforce? (Score:5, Informative)
In the end we had everything in order, and a large 802.11b installation will probably draw more attention than a fm transmitter speeding down the road, but they do watch.
--T
Re:How will they enforce? (Score:3, Insightful)
I can't believe I'm reading this crap!
What's so stupid about licensing the use of your EM spectrum and then making sure that those who've PAID FOR bandwidth can actually use it without fear of interference from unlicensed transmissions? There are portions of the spectrum specifically allocated to unlicensed transmitters, use those if you want but stop fucking up all the other thousands of services that depend on
What is it? (Score:3, Informative)
From the page: You are looking at the coolest iPod accessory in the world. The iTrip FM transmitter for the iPod can play your music through any FM radio in your car, at a party, wherever the mood strikes you - and you have a radio.
Interface options (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Interface options (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Interface options (Score:2)
If they've got a tape player, they can use a suitable adapter, of course.
Re:Interface options (Score:3, Informative)
XtremeMac's iPod Cassette Adapter [xtrememac.com]
Though any cassette adapter will work (there are many manufacturers).
Re:Interface options (Score:2)
Re:Interface options (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Interface options (Score:2)
Re:Interface options (Score:4, Informative)
I ended up going with the third option for my wife's 2002 Nissan Altima, since it has no tape deck and I didn't want to mess with an FM modulator. It has a CD changer input in the back, but the place linked above doesn't have anything for the Altima. I found a guy who makes custom cables [virtualoutlook.net] for it, so I ordered that along with a switch to put the radio in aux mode. Installation was pretty easy and actually kind of a fun project, especially drilling the hole in the dash to install the switch. ;-)
So as you can see, there are plenty of options. Of course what would be the best is a little dock that provides power, line out, and steering wheel remote controls. Just slide the iPod in and off you go!
Well if that is the case (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Well if that is the case (Score:2, Informative)
Neuros? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Neuros? (Score:5, Interesting)
Eclectic Micro Stations (Score:5, Interesting)
My other sig is an ambulance!
Re:Eclectic Micro Stations (Score:3, Funny)
Except, of course, the government has banned it.
Government is a disease, masquarading as its own cure.
Re:Eclectic Micro Stations (Score:4, Funny)
Yeah, but so is life.
A 100% fatal, incurable, sexually transmitted disease.
Government is the same, except they fuck you instead.
Legacy (Score:2, Interesting)
(This is before 6 cd changers in-dash existed)
This is the same thing. Would these be illegal in the UK too?
Fun? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Fun? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Fun? (Score:5, Funny)
Or, they did not appreciate the attention from a people who probably look like people who shop at Radio Shack and have enough time to wire up such a contraption.
not that useful (Score:2)
Re:not that useful (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Fun? (Score:2)
Tom
1949 (Score:2, Insightful)
Er - ah - hm (Score:5, Funny)
Thou Shalt Not have Unlicensed Radio Transmitters.
This is important, because if just anybody set up shop, soon the radio waves would be a mess of people just putting stuff out, and nobody could hear the station they wanted too - just the one with the biggest pen- ah, broadcast antennae.
On the other hand, I think the range of this thing is - what - 10 to 30 feet? Watch out, Britian! Those pirate radios will be able to be heard from the other room! Anarchy and chaos as Julie tries to dance to Nsync while Dad's got his iPod broadcasting the Spice Girls in the other room! Mum - you'd best be keeping that "Black Mages" heavy metal to yourself!
This seems more like an issue of someone in beurocracy[SIC] getting a bug up their ass and not using common sense more than anything else.
Re:Er - ah - hm (Score:5, Insightful)
the ultimate solution is to have a device that broadcasts a local DAB (digital radio) signal. That will eliminate most interference issues (as well as radio hiss) and allow you to view track info on your digital radio. DAB is starting to take off in a big way in the UK now so somesuch gadget is probably not that far down the line.
Re: 100 possible stations (Score:3, Informative)
Would it effect emergency services? (Score:3, Insightful)
I think the range of this thing is - what - 10 to 30 feet?
Excuse my ignorance - information please. Would the iTrip be broadcasting on frequencies that might be used by emergency services (fire, ambulance, police..)? This is usually one of the 'safety' reasons for being unhappy about illegal broadcasting that UK gov. gives when having a go at pirate radio stations.
What is the distance these things can broadcast to? In the UK, 30 feet can quite easily mean from your room right into the middle of the t
Re:Would it effect emergency services? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Er - ah - hm (Score:3, Insightful)
I'd guess that Britain is only inline with the rest of the European legislation rather than the issue being "purely" British...
nutty limeys (Score:4, Funny)
Re:nutty limeys (Score:3, Insightful)
(For those of you who were too young / don't remember, Mr. Microphone was a kids toy which attached a cheap mic to a low power radio transmitter, so you could talk and pick it up through your car radio.)
But to answer your question - yeah, I'm pretty sure it would be illegal. Although I don't remember if it used an FM or
Re:nutty limeys (Score:2)
And there was also a simpsons episode based around it - the one where bart pretends to be "Timmy" who fell down the well.
Sting: I'll do anything for one of my fans
Marge: I don't think Bart actually has one of his albums
Homer: Shhh Marge...he's a good digger.
(of course I'm sure someone will correct me with the exact words
Dating yourself (Score:5, Funny)
Dating yourself is a tradition among slashdot readers, and...oh, you meant...I thought that you were talking about...never mind
doubt it (Score:3, Insightful)
No, it would just take a uniformed constable. Let's not overestimate ourselves here.
Very Cool (Score:2, Interesting)
OT but reminds me of .... (Score:3, Interesting)
Time to update the law... (Score:4, Insightful)
Specifically, they ought to allow unlicensed transmitters below a certain output power (anyone know what the iTrip's broadcast power is?).
I mean, the spectrum licensees have a vested and understable interest in keeping their airwaves free of interference, but I don't think low-power transmissions like these had been envisioned when the law was codefied (receivers were a wee bit less sensitive and precise in 1949, methinks).
Xentax
UK is the only coutry limits use of the FM band. (Score:2, Informative)
I remember building FM/AM transmitters as teen, cool to be my own DJ...America still home of the free!!!
Time to Support the Black Market (Score:2)
Will they try and confiscate my ... (Score:5, Funny)
How will I pick up the chicks? How will I karoake? How will I LIVE?!?!?!
My guess ... (Score:2)
In short; more paranoia from the music regulatory authorities. A couple of milliwatts of power - an iTrip probably has less range than the average infra-red remote control.
I'm patiently waiting for them to begin outlawing that part of the electromagnetic spectrum ... :-/
Paranoid nonsense (Score:3, Insightful)
Low powered FM (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Low powered FM (Score:3, Informative)
banned: iTrip and how many others? (Score:2)
The USA has a limit (what is it, 10mW?) that anything running under that transmit strength doesn't have to be licensed because it's too weak to cause interferance. My iRock has a range of a
More barriers to market entry (Score:4, Interesting)
Acceptable unlawful behavior? Give me a break (Score:2, Insightful)
"Use of the iTrip in the UK therefore constitutes an offence and can lead to prosecution of the User". Guess that makes me an outlaw, because you'll have to pry my iTrip from my cold, dead hands."
This view seems to becoming more prevalent. An illegal action or device is banned or otherwise action taken against, and people just ignore it because it doesnt suit them. This device is illegal, and it hasnt even just been made illegal, its been illegal for a good number of decades, so under what premise do
Re:Acceptable unlawful behavior? Give me a break (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Acceptable unlawful behavior? Give me a break (Score:3, Insightful)
And you do that properly - using an illegal transmitter and hoping you don't get caught is *not* legitimate civil disobedience. It's called criminal action.
It could be civil disobedience if you
(a) lobbied for a change in the law
(b) told the newspapers you were deliberately breaking the law
(c) did so in public. Fully prepared to go to jail, along with a few dozen other people.
Re:Acceptable unlawful behavior? Give me a break (Score:3, Interesting)
There is, however, a (d) -- to use the concept of jurisprudence (which is valid in the UK as well as the US, since both are based on common law) to decline to convict someone of breaking an unjust law.
Which is why serving on a jury is one of the most important things you can do. No, it's generally not fun, it's a pain in the ass and a disruption from what you want to do, but it's still important. Especially if you can get on a jury that can affect the ruling in a case regarding an unj
No news here (Score:5, Insightful)
The distributors of the iTrip, having taken legal advice, have decided that use of the iTrip probably constitutes a breach of an old law about FM broadcasting and have therefore chosen not to distribute it here.
Nothing has actually changed and British police are not about to start hunting down people with suspicious bulges on the top of their iPods.
Ju,ping the band wagon... (Score:2)
Why is this news? (Score:3, Insightful)
CD changers (Score:3, Interesting)
US radio regs are pretty lenient (Score:3, Interesting)
Thus, all these very low power transmitters that talk in the broadcast bands are legal here.
Many other countries don't have nearly so liberal a policy about unlicensed transmitters -- that's why WiFi isn't technically legal in some places (like the Caribbean island that was the topic of an article a few weeks ago) and gadgets like this aren't allowed in the UK.
Although we like to bitch about "big gummint" in the US, at least in the communications arena US policies are far more open than in other parts of the world.
Another (off topic) example: radio scanner enthusiasts here like to complain because it's illegal to listen to cellular phone transmissions. But we can listen to damn near anything else, including police radio, while in many countries listening to any non-broadcast (or non-ham) radio service is strictly forbidden.
Re:US radio regs are pretty lenient (Score:3, Interesting)
In the U.S. the airwaves belong to the people (collectively). The FCC can regulate the use, but in the end the use must benefit the people. You can use any frequency in the U.S. as long as it does not infringe on other's right to use the frequencies as the FCC outlines.
In the U.K., (no expert here, just glimpses of fact) the airwaves belong to the government and the people are allowed to use them as
Obligatory "Men in Black" Quote (Score:4, Funny)
Your Proposal is Acceptable.
Now, where's a giant space cockroach when you need it.
myke
I have one and it's junk ... (Score:3, Interesting)
Anyone want to buy it? Seriously. I want to get rid of the thing. My solution is going to be hardwiring an adapter to the car's CD changer plug and adding a switch that lets me toggle between the CD changer (I got one used off another VW owner, cheap) and the RCA inputs.
And the other FM transmitter I have, a Belkin TuneCast, doesn't work either -- if a radio broadcast so much 'looks' at it crosseyed, it's static hell.
Low-power FM transmission is, in my experience, a joke and a marketing tool. It ranges from nonexistent to having more static than an interplanetary broadcast from Martians.
Why not a "LINE IN" instead of a kludge? (Score:3)
If anyone has seen something like this, please let me know.
GF
legal in New Zealand (Score:4, Informative)
The top and bottom 1 MHz of the FM band is reserved for unlicensed transmission with an effective radiated power of less than 300 mW. So as long as you tune your iTrip to 88 - 89 MHz or 107 - 108 MHz you're fine.
I've been wondering about getting an iTrip once the version for the new model iPod is available (Apple changed the connectors on the top...), but my car's radio.casette has a line-in (marked "CD") on the front panel anyway, and that's better quality.
Re:Government-controlled media (Score:5, Interesting)
This is no exaggeration. I had no TV for 6 years and those gits hounded me relentlessly. They kept sending me threatening letters warning of a possible 1000 fine for not having a TV license even though I didn't have a TV. They made me sign a form declaring that I had no TV set, which I did, and then they sent me another one, and another one, and I phoned them and told them and then they sent and inspector to my house!
When I moved house, they started sending the letters again, which I signed and returned. A week or two later a poster went up on the billboard across the road saying "3 addresses at Himalayan Way do not have Television Licenses. We know who they are."
I was so tempted to go out with a can of paint and write "At least one of them has no TV set" but I didn't. A year later I bought a TV and a damned license. Now I spend too much time as a TV zombie and not enough time writing code.
Television is a powerful opiate and population control machanism. I admire people who can control it. I'm succumbing again.
Re:Government-controlled media (Score:2)
Television is a powerful opiate and population control machanism. I admire people who can control it. I'm succumbing again.
Dude, it's time to kill your TV! [turnoffyourtv.com]
Re:Government-controlled media (Score:4, Funny)
"Sir, do you have a TV license?"
"Nope."
"Do you have a TV?"
"Nope."
"We detected a TV from our van, inside your property."
"No you didn't. Must be a mistake."
"Sir, I can hear the EastEnder's theme coming from inside your appartment."
"You must be imagining it."
"Sir, if we need to, we can get a warrant to enter the premises and be back within the hour."
"No you can't."
"Yes we can Sir, the courts look very favorably upon our requests."
"They look even less favorably upon giving search warrants to enter property belonging to the Queen."
"Oh. Well... You really should get a license."
The joys of the royal family owning half the best properties in the city.
Re:Government-controlled media (Score:4, Interesting)
"Hello, we've noticed you don't pay a television license. Do you have a TV?"
"No"
"We detected a TV from our van, inside your property."
"No you didn't. Must be a mistake."
"Sir, I can hear [insert name of crappy US sitcom here] theme coming from inside your appartment."
"You must be imagining it."
"Sir, if we need to, we can get a warrant to enter the premises and be back within the hour."
"No you can't."
"Damn you right. We can't. But if you don't pay your license we'll taunt you again!"
The television license inspectors do not have the right to enter your house unless you admit them. And they would not get a warrant even if they tried. Only crimes above a certain severity can give them a warrant to enter your house.
Translation to American English (Score:5, Funny)
Officer: Do you have a TV license?
Person: Nope.
Officer: Good, because we don't have those here like in some unfortunate countries.
Person: Damn right. You think they need licenses to read books too?
Officer: Probably. You know how much it sucks over there.
Person: Over where?
Officer: Who cares?
Person + Officer: Ha hahahah hahahahahhaha!!!
Person: Hey, wanna beer?
Officer: Whoa there! I'm on duty...so no more than two or three.
Re:Government-controlled media (Score:5, Funny)
At the time though I felt a twinge of sympathy for Saddam Hussein. The British government kept telling me that it knew I had banned equipment (an unlicensed TV set). When I denied this they told me they knew I was lying and were going to send in inspectors. And when I offered to cooperate with the inspectors (though on my terms - I'll be damned if I'll be subject to unannounced inspections of my home at any time of the day or night - though Saddam even agreed to that), they pulled them out.
Luckily for me the analogy stops there. Otherwise my flat would be occupied by government agents triumphantly brandishing my laptop as proof that I had a mobile TV-development laboratory that could be turned into a fully functioning device within 45 minutes by the addition of a simple TV tuner card, which they had documentary evidence that I was trying to purchase from Niger...
Re:Government-controlled media (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Government-controlled media (Score:3, Informative)
The money raised from the TV License goes to several areas, including the running of BBC TV and Radio, subsidising public service broadcasts on other channels (Channel 4), and running TVL.
Re:Government-controlled media (Score:3, Funny)
Heisan
Re:Government-controlled media (Score:5, Informative)
As to whether that sucks...IMO what really sucks is having TV shows, movies, even sports games interrupted every 10 minutes for a 5 minutes commercial break. In return for a 190 annual fee, Brits get 2 free-to-air TV stations and 5 national radio stations with NO COMMERCIAL BREAKS. And we're not talking marginalised, underfunded US style public broadcasting - they're the most popular stations in the UK, with rights to most major sporting events, movies, music etc. So you can sit down and watch a 3 hour movie (with stereo sound) right the way through, just like in the cinema. Or a 5 set Wimbledon final, without missing any shots. Not to mention all those original BBC geek classics like Monty Python, Fawlty Towers, Blackadder, Red Dwarf, Hitchikers Guide (originally a BBC radio show), Dr Who...Oh, and the BBC also has several (free) digital radio and TV channels as well.
Another bonus is that because of the competition with the ad-free BBC, commercial broadcasters in Britain restrict themselves to one commercial break every 15 minutes, so even on the 3 free-to-air commercial stations you can follow the plot of most shows without being constantly interrupted by life insurance salesman. Plus they have to compete with the BBC on breadth and quality, meaning that they can't get away with the endless repeats of Frasier and Seinfeld that seem to define primetime on most major US networks.
Now what I don't understand is this: the BBC can put out about 6 TV channels (including the digital ones) and dozens of radio stations (including local radio) for a charge of only 190 per year per household -- without needing any advertising income. This is far less than the cost of most cable or satellite TV subscriptions - and yet cable stations usually have as many commercials as free-to-air stations, and the programs rarely better BBC quality. What do they do with their money?
I guess it just goes to prove that with the right management and funding, publically owned services can outperform the private sector. Although actually I don't have a TV anymore...a DVD player hooked up to a computer monitor supplies the movies without me needing a TV license, radio and the net gives me the rest.
Re:Government-controlled media (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Government-controlled media (Score:5, Interesting)
Indeed. I live in the US, I don't own a TV (CNN and Faux News? No thanks). I get much of my news from the BBC's website. Government-controlled? Is that why Blair and Alistair Campbell and friends are so upset with them lately?
Re:It's better when government controls the media. (Score:2, Informative)
Re:regulation of the airwaves (Score:5, Informative)
Re:regulation of the airwaves (Score:4, Funny)
And from tower blocks on no-go housing estates! But that tends to be (c)rap / hip-hop.
Re:regulation of the airwaves (Score:5, Interesting)
These days you just get teenagers and other retards broadcasting from the top of a tower block
with a directional microwave link to the studio so they're harder to track down by the police.
Re:regulation of the airwaves (Score:5, Funny)
Ahoy, mate! Hand me that thar transmi'ah. I'll play a tune on me belly for all o' London t' hear!
Re:I wonder if the RIAA.... (Score:5, Funny)
Next they'll use their nifty time travel technology to go back and assure that Victrola loses to Eddison so that his proprietary cylindrical records become the standard instead of the easy to use flat Victrolas...
COME ON MAN, GET A GRIP
Re:I wonder if the RIAA.... (Score:3, Funny)
In Britain.
In 19-frickin-49.
Re:Pirate Radio (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Perhaps this can be the leverage needed... (Score:2)
no Channel 4 / S4C also gets some i believe
There are legal frequencies... (Score:3, Informative)
Come to think of it, I don't think garage door openers in the states are in the FM band either.
The US is more the exception than the rule; many countries ban transmission in the FM band - it's just the US has a get-out for very low power transmitters.
Re:I understand a little bit, but sheesh. (Score:3, Informative)
Well, no. Not right now. The issue only really just arose because a distributor wanted to sell the iTrip in the UK, and has realised they can't (and posted a press release about it widely enough to hit the BBC, the Register and
Re:This is good spectrum management (Score:3, Funny)
Right, so you can use it to listen to your iPod on your car's FM radio without disturbing others...
Oh, wait.