Linux Coming to Power Mac G5 67
Justen writes "Terra Soft, the people behind Yellow Dog Linux (YDL), announced that they will be supporting the new Power Mac G5. Since they are an Apple Authorized Reseller, you can purchase your Power Mac G5 through Terra Soft and have YDL pre-installed on a separate partition from Mac OS X. According to Terra Soft, 'as Yellow Dog Linux was in 2000 enabled for the IBM Power3 by IBM Lab and Linuxcare, and subsequently for the Power4, the effort to support the 970-based Apple computers is anticipated to be completed with relative ease.' Life is good. Anyone wanna loan me $2,000?"
Never understood this. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Never understood this. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Never understood this. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Never understood this. (Score:3, Interesting)
I think you could still strip OS X down to the Darwin core by modifying the rc scripts... or isn't that light-weight enough?
Personally, I use Macs for the UI and hardware integration... wishing to use Linux implies some compromise in those areas. Certainly, I'd consider Linux on Mac hardware for a server... but I'd have to see the performance numbers vs. generic Lintel hardware first and weigh Linux features vs. MOSX features. A big factor would be if you are running a file-server for MOSX, something whic
Re:Never understood this. (Score:1)
Re:Never understood this. (Score:4, Informative)
Pretty much all Linux apps can be compiled for all supported architectures and the pre-compiled binaries are available in several popular distributions (YDL, Debian and Gentoo spring to mind).
Besides, that's not why I, and I suspect many other folks, run Linux. It's free of restrictive licenses, you can get the source code to everything, you can reconfigure pretty much anything to work the way you want, you can become actively involved in the development of apps, drivers, the kernel, etc.
OSX is closed. Darwin is only a little bit open. You can see the source but there are a lot of licensing restrictions imposed on what you can actually do with it.
Since Linux works very well on my Mac hardware and doesn't impose the limitations of OSX it's what I prefer to run most of the time, though my system is dual boot. Best of both worlds really.
Re:Never understood this. (Score:1)
Re:Never understood this. (Score:1)
Sure, I would never buy atm a workstation, but the laptops kick ass! Although I have found that osx/fink has more than taken care of most of my linux app needs. Add the new gentoo/fink/darwinports metaproject thing that is coming about, and OSX is going to have a ultra phat daddy toolset...
But, regardless, I wouldnt put yellowdog linux on my new Powerbook.... I'd put gentoo. ; )
Re:Never understood this. (Score:2)
Re:Never understood this. (Score:2)
You can get the code. You can modify it and use the modified code (solely for personal or internal research purposes), you automatically forfeit any rights to the modifications you make, they are automatically owned by Apple, and I have a feeling Apple can arbitrarily revoke your right to posess or use the code, including your modifications, at any time.
Not free at a
Re:Never understood this. (Score:2)
Actually, after reading the license at the link you posted, I'm not sure you read it. Nowhere does it say that you forfiet the rights to your modifications, or that they become the property of Apple.
The only real ristrictions I see are that modifications to APSL code must also be APSL (that's no worse than GPL), You must make your changes public, (that's the idea of "free" as in speech code), and you must allow Apple to distribute your modifications.
Re:Never understood this. (Score:2)
I seriously doubt that.
A lot of C programs out there (both commercial and free) contain assumptions on the size of various types like "int" being 32 bits and "short" being 16. Some also assume a certain byte ordering (usually assuming little-endian). Some assume that structures are padded in a particular way (i.e., no padding). Some rely on the order of evaluation on a particular platform. Most of these are mistakes that are qu
Re:Never understood this. (Score:1)
Loan 2K ? (Score:5, Funny)
Sure, I'll loan you 2K. I expect you to pay it back at 16% P.A. compounded daily over 24 months. Interested? Contact me. Where's a G5 to do the interest calcs when I need one?
Oh... perhaps your really wanted me to give you 2000$? ;-)
Re:Loan 2K ? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:But one questions remains... (Score:1)
Re:But one questions remains... (Score:5, Funny)
Linux Coming to Power Mac G5
Posted by pudge on 05:14 PM June 24th, 2003
But one questions remains... (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on 05:20 PM June 24th, 2003
MS word says your post is 952 words long. 952 words divided by 6 minutes is a hair over 158 WPM. OH MY GOD YOU MUST BE MAVIS BEACON!
I am your biggest fan.
Re:But one questions remains... (Score:5, Insightful)
For me that's 9 words in 6 minutes or a more realistic (for a Troll) 1.5 WPM.
Mavis is safe and sound; more importantly, she isn't on slashdot.
You're not paying attention (Score:2)
The open source community (as opposed to the Free-As-In-What-I-Say-Is-Free software community) complains, Apple revises, and then ESR, at least, is happy. But people like you have to go back to his INITIAL complaints in order to find something to complain about.
That's annoying. Also (possibly intentionally, possibly not) intellectually dishonest.
-Fred
Re:But one questions remains... (Score:4, Insightful)
OS X began life on m68k NeXT boxes, not PPC hardware. Linux is also 100% native on PPC hardware. The last numbers I saw showed Linux PPC outperformed OS X on the same hardware. I like some of the ideas behind Mach w/ a BSD server. Too bad they put the BSD server in the kernel address space for performance reasons. The driver gap is largely historical at this point, but still a valid but minor concern.
You missed your opportunity to jab Linux in the ribs. The tender spot here is Linus switching the entire VM subsystem out in the middle of the 2.4 serries. The weakness in the development model is that it is less conservative with no PHB breathing down Linus's neck. The "bunch of punk kids writing a kernel" argument just doesn't hold water. Some of the most respected coders of our day contribute to the Linux kernel, including some very telented professionals at IBM. Sure lots of rubbish gets submitted, but it gets filtered through a heirarchy or very good coders. Linus may be a little overwhelmed, but that results in some good improvements getting dropped on the cutting room floor rather than rubbish making it into the kernel. Per man-hour, the Linux kernel development is therefore very inneficient, but you have an absolutely huge number of coders.
Your argument about not letting people see the QuickTime and OpenGL code is way off. The same effect could be gotten by opening the cod
MacOS X clustering... (Score:2)
-fred
In short.... (Score:1)
Yellow Dog Linux (Score:5, Interesting)
My hope is that both Apple and TerraSoft continue to work together and bring ideas back and forth between MacOS and Linux.
Re:maybe i need linux? (Score:4, Informative)
This thread is about the new G5 and Yellow Dog Linux, not your problems with your old powermac, that won't even run YDL without BootX, which makes running YDL slow as hell.
Stop booing Macs because the one you run is old, and especially when your problem is the hard drive, you can stick a 7200RPM drive in any machine to make this excercise faster, mac or PC.
Re:But Lennux sux (Score:1)
Re:But Lennux sux (Score:2)
-fred
Re:World's First? (Score:1)
Re:World's First? (Score:2)
Actually Sun sells the Blade 150 for as little as $1,395.00.
The Sun Blade[tm] 150 workstation is an affordable, full-featured, 64-bit workstation with a 550/650-MHz UltraSPARC[R] IIi processor, up to 2 GB of memory, and 2D/3D graphics options for multi-display support. It offers considerably higher performance with more capabilities than previous generation Sun Blade 100, Ultra[tm] 5, or Ultra 10 workstation.
Linux ease-of-use (Score:2)
One pages 5-6, the describe the apple process for each of the 2 configurations. Each config is about 1/2 page or 24 lines. Besides control panel stuff, you must edit
The redhat config, on page 7, is only 9 lines long, requires no file editing, and has only the initial boot to sele
YDL back in action? (Score:1)
Re:YDL back in action? (Score:1)
Bah... (Score:5, Funny)
Give me something really geeky, like someone hacked their cat to run linux, or the mars rover, or a dill pickle or something...