Apple Will Demo Mac OS X Server At WWDC 92
epec254 writes "According to MacCentral the next new version of Mac OS X Server, based on Panther, will be previewed at the WWDC session 'Apple Solutions in Enterprise.' Maybe they will get file permissions right this time."
Guess I have to ask (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:And "OX X Server" is... (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Guess I have to ask (Score:5, Interesting)
umask? (Score:2, Informative)
The default umask was the problem.
You could override this, but doing this on all your clients may not have been practical.
Re:umask? (Score:2)
It must be more complicated than this (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:It must be more complicated than this (Score:1, Insightful)
Remember, corporations are there to make money, if they fuck up it just means their managers won't be able to buy a fourth seafront property that quarter. Demand only the best from them, and for goodness sake don't ever stick up for them as if they cared one iota for you.
Re:It must be more complicated than this (Score:1, Funny)
I hereby found the Cult of Toasters. After all, they're good at toasting bread, and they certainly exist.
Re:It must be more complicated than this (Score:2)
Talkie Toaster is my deity. [geocities.com]
"I Toast, therefor I am." [netvigator.com]
More Red Dwarf Please.
so... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Guess I have to ask (Score:4, Informative)
Sheesh - you kids.
Re:Guess I have to ask (Score:2)
Re:Guess I have to ask (Score:2)
10.0 -> Cheetah
10.1 -> Puma
10.2 -> Jaguar
Panther is the next release, being demo'd this week at WWDC. Presumably this will be 10.3.
Re:Guess I have to ask (Score:2)
Still, this or RH, SuSE, Deb...I'll take OS X anyday.
Re:Guess I have to ask (Score:1)
...from the oxymoron dept. (Score:1, Troll)
The best thing about the PPC is its vector unit, and that's not all that useful on a server (POWER architecture doesn't even have it; it had to be hacked on in the 970, and is w
Re:...from the oxymoron dept. (Score:5, Interesting)
I wouldn't exactly say it was "hacked on" and it's certainly not *worse* at comparible clock speeds to the Motorola implementation.
Maybe you can point us to some references?
Also, you don't think renderfarms benefit from Altivec? I know at least a few firms using small clusters of Xserves for rendering.
Yes, the current crop of Motorola processors are definitely lackluster, but let's keep our eyes on the road kids
-psy
Re:...from the oxymoron dept. (Score:1)
I can indeed point you to a reference on Altivec, namely this [arstechnica.com] page in the 970 ArsTechnia article. Quote from the article: It appears that in the 970 the Altivec unit is sort of "tacked on" to the core. While the vector register file sits alongside the general purpose and floating-point register files for
Re:...from the oxymoron dept. (Score:2)
Re:...from the oxymoron dept. (Score:3, Informative)
Re:...from the oxymoron dept. (Score:5, Insightful)
OSX server has its place on the market. Some people simply don't want to hire a whole IT dept. just to get a mail server or filesharing. In this case, since the server will be operated by non-unix-gurus, it has too look friendly to administer too. there you have it, OSX server.
Plus, those blinking lights are simply coooooooool.
Re:...from the oxymoron dept. (Score:4, Insightful)
Follow that to its conclusion: if it does the same job (with the same reliability, security, features, etc.), and does not need to be operated by unix gurus, does it even matter if it is Unix? No. Unix is great mostly because of the years and years of solid implementation (much of which is due to "openness", e.g. open source), I don't think it has much to do with design (as you can witness by modern features having to be bolted on).
Re:...from the oxymoron dept. (Score:5, Insightful)
We used RedHat Linux in a Penguin Computing Rackmount, it is ashame one of these things was not available then.
It didn't need to have a 1337 processor(s), it needed to never crash and have protection and backups in case it did. It didn't need a fast hard drive, it did need to be easy to configure and nearly brainless to maintain or use.
This would have been perfect for that task.
Re:...from the oxymoron dept. (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:...from the oxymoron dept. (Score:5, Informative)
Maybe. I suspect that this is true for large sites (well, except iTMS, which I hear works just fine on a bunch of X-Servers). For most small buisnesses, however, modern CPUs are overpowered. Our current server is a 750HMz Duron with 256MB of RAM. It handles email (SMPT, POP3, IMAP and webmail), about a hundred individual web sites (not very high traffic, about 15000 requests per day average), Jabber (public server, listed on the jabber.org site), a web-cam and a few other things. Its load average sits at under 0.20. In fact I'm running top on it right now, and the most CPU-intensive thing it's doing is running top. We stopped upgrading it a while back and diverted the funds to new workstations.
you can run it on an AMD or whatever for half the price.
For a small buisness the additional cost of an X-Server over an Intel/AMD Linux/*BSD server is minute compared to the amount that they can save by not employing someone fulltime to maintain it.
The OS is not designed to be a server, it's designed to be a personal use OS.
A lot of the kernel is from FreeBSD which is very much a server OS. The rest is designed to increase usability. Linux (and *BSD for that matter) are not friendly for people with no *NIX experience (well, they might be on a desktop where you can hide behind gnome or KDE, but not on a server). An X-Serve could quite easily be run in-house by a company which already has Mac-experienced employees, and a company that is not a 'computer company' is much more likely to have Mac people in house than *NIX people.
Of course I wouldn't recommend using an X-Serve for hosting a site like /., but for a SME that out-sources all of its IT support it would be a cost-effective solution.
Re:...from the oxymoron dept. (Score:1)
Post a link to your server here and we will see how well it runs. Go on... I
Re:...from the oxymoron dept. (Score:2)
Umm, I have done, it's in my sig...
Re:...from the oxymoron dept. (Score:2)
Let me clarify that... (Score:1)
I also agree that OSX is a great OS (with the possible exception of the Finder), and almost rock-solid (it did panic a few times on me during high-workload such as rendering, and some other
Re:Mac is dying! (Score:2)
Anyone that would post a sentence like that one should NOT be lecturing others about grammar.
Aqua Lite? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Aqua Lite? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Aqua Lite? (Score:3, Insightful)
Just don't use GUI (Score:4, Interesting)
I really like the Mac server. Easy to administrate, with all the UNIX goodness lying just under the surface. And while I'm a generally technical guy, I'm certaily not an admin by nature.
Re:Just don't use GUI (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Just don't use GUI (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Aqua Lite? (Score:5, Informative)
You do that by editing
(random spacing in the second long line inserted by slashdot's anti-page-widening code)
Re:Aqua Lite? (Score:2, Funny)
you're thinking too hard (Score:5, Informative)
Aqua Workstation Lite? (Score:2)
Windows Domain-like functions? (Score:2, Interesting)
Just curious.
Re:Windows Domain-like functions? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Windows Domain-like functions? (Score:5, Informative)
How sad that it is reduced to this. NetInfo is one of the finest resource administrative systems available. It is very unfortunate that it is languishing - mostly unused and un-talked about. (yes, every system uses it by default, but I'd say that most folks on a network don't use/understand it to a fraction of it's potential)
Yes, I'm one of those NeXT zealots
Re:Windows Domain-like functions? (Score:1)
Keeps our sales guys under control, too.
Re:Windows Domain-like functions? (Score:2)
I'm wondering where you work and how you [your office] know how to set up NetInfo.
Re:Windows Domain-like functions? (Score:2)
No OS X Admin worth their salt can get away not knowing how to leverage the power of NetInfo.
the tools have some advantages and disadvantages over the NeXT versions, but they're pretty similar.
Oh, and we don't have to worry about password crypts being visible with OS X either...
Re:Windows Domain-like functions? (Score:3, Informative)
That was my point, implement Password Server and you don't have this legacy problem with NetInfo anymore.
You'll just get "********" where the password crypt used to be.
Re:Windows Domain-like functions? (Score:2)
Re:Windows Domain-like functions? (Score:4, Informative)
For more practical advice, you should look at the Mac OS X Server Administrators Guide, which you can find here [apple.com].
Otherwise for actual day to day problems and solutions, you're best off looking through the mac os x server mailing list at Apple, and the admin list at Omnigroup. Search the archives...
NetInfo != LDAP (Score:2)
Re:NetInfo != LDAP (Score:1)
Re:NetInfo != LDAP (Score:2)
there's no reason why this can't change, the whole DirectoryServices thing is rather modular, but that was the thrust of my comment.
If you're not storing accounts yourself, then sure you can bind to LDAP.
If you are storing accounts, even if you're publishing them via LDAP, you're still storing them in NetInfo databases.
Re:NetInfo != LDAP (Score:2)
You *always* need local accounts, at the very least an admin account in case of directory services going down...
you put all your admins in the directory? I don't think so.
Standard practice with a NetInfo domain and Password Server is to have a local admin account for each server, an admin account for each domain, and a Password Server specific account.
Re:NetInfo != LDAP (Score:1)
where is the local root account stored if it's not in a NetInfo database?
Re:NetInfo != LDAP (Score:1)
Re:NetInfo != LDAP (Score:1)
You're obviously just trolling. Your average OS X Server installation only has a local admin user defined, not root, so this discussion is moot.
try explaining why you need a local netinfo daemon running if what you're saying is the case...
Oh, please fix AMS... (Score:3, Interesting)
Our OS X Server here got Postfix & Courier-IMAP installed right out of the box. Much easier to add SpamAssassin/procmail/etc and I don't have to deal with the AppleMail Server big-phat-file way of doing things.