Build Your Own Mac With CoreCrib Kit 361
Mark Dobie writes "I just put up a quick review of the CoreCrib kit I purchased. It is an inexpensive solution to building your own Mac." See our previous Core coverage.
"If you want to eat hippopatomus, you've got to pay the freight." -- attributed to an IBM guy, about why IBM software uses so much memory
Please explain... (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Please explain... (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:Please explain... (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes, but in contrast, the typical custom PC is built to accomplish three goals as opposed to buying a prebuilt desktop:
1. Look better
2. Higher performance
3. Cheaper
These mac clone kits accomplish none of these things.
Re:Please explain... (Score:2)
I suppose somebody wastes time on making the case look good, but not me.
Re:Please explain... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Please explain... (Score:2)
I have sound proofed my PC, it's not attractiive from the outside but if I can't hear it then I'll forget it's even there
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I agree completely. FWIW, if you're looking for better bang for the buck, would you really be use Macintosh in the first place? (That is NOT troll or flamebait...keep reading
Apple's own Mac systems aren't pitched as 'best bang for the buck' - these are highly integrated, highly specialized computers, designed to 'rise above the masses' of wintel machines. The concept behind the 'build your own' PC follows a different set of rules when its applied to a Mac, because the Mac itself follows a different set of rules. Its great that more companies are offering customizable Mac systems - there is a market for this sort of thing!
Re:Please explain... (Score:2)
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$120 sounds about right. That makes it $1470. Let's toss in some other essentials:
which brings us to $1786. Compared to the $1999 Apple box, the savings are just over 10%, ignoring all the non-downloadable software that the Mac comes with.
Re:Please explain... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Please explain... (Score:2)
it actually seems to be cheaper... (Score:4, Informative)
CoreCrib Fully Assebled System
G4 Dual 1200Mhz 2MB cache
1024MB Memory
52x CD-RW
120GB Harddrive
Geforce4MX 32MB ADC DVI and DVI-> VGA Adapter
2 Firewire, 2 USB Ports, 10/10/1000 Ethernet, Audio in/out
Front Firewire, 2xUSB and Audio OUT
Just Add keyboard, mouse, and OS
ATA, Power Cable and Fans/Heatsink are included.
Just plug in, add keyboard/mouse, boot from OS Install CD and install your OS. No hardware Installation!
you're losing
Re:Please explain... (Score:2, Insightful)
How upgradeable is your eMac? How important is that to you?
Re:Please explain... (Score:2)
eMac screen suXX0rs (Score:2)
Now, as it happened, I could afford to pay the extra. However, many other people can't or won't pay more for a flat panel, and would quite happily get by with a $100 Trinitron CRT or a monitor they already have. Except the cheapest Apple machine that'll let them do that is $1500.
Re:eMac screen suXX0rs (Score:2, Informative)
Step 1: Put the eMac under your desk or wherever.
Step 2: Plug the monitor you have and like into the video out plug (yes, it takes standard VGA connections).
Step 3: There's no step three.
Re:eMac screen suXX0rs (Score:2)
Re:Please explain... (Score:4, Insightful)
I know several people with all-in-one iMacs that have a dead monitor. As a result, the systems are worthless -- unless you want to pay somebody to try to fix the monitor piece. Besides, the monitor that's built in is tiny by modern standards. Today, 17 inches is the absolute minimum, and 19 inches is the only truly acceptable configuration. 15 inch monitors are really passé.
DIY Mac.. (Score:5, Insightful)
A Do It Yourself Mac seems tantamount to a Do It Yourself Mercedes..
These will be popular among the geeks, but the Mac masses will stick to boxes from Cupertino.
Re:DIY Mac.. (Score:2)
Rus
Re:DIY Mac.. (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:DIY Mac.. (Score:3, Interesting)
Now obviously if it's approaching the cost of a real mac, it isn't worth it, but if it were 2/3 the price, I'
Re:DIY Mac.. (Score:2)
The Switch ads said so.
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Cult of the Cube now available for x86 (Score:2)
Useful for those who want to build a Mac-ish lookalike, I suppose.
Re:Cult of the Cube now available for x86 (Score:2)
- Shuttle FB51 mobo
- 200W power supply
- 8x CDR / 8x CDRW / 24x CD / 8x DVD drive
- case fan
- IDE cables, etc.
Hmmm. (Score:5, Insightful)
Of course, the eMac isn't expandable (you can upgrade the RAM and add an AirPort card; everything else has to be external, and you can't run a split desktop on dual monitors). Still, compare to eBay [ebay.com]...
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Re:Hmmm. (Score:2)
Neither is going to happen....unless someone has created a VGA, DVI or ADC to FireWire adapter and the appropriate software.
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Re:Hmmm. (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Hmmm. (Score:2)
Another beautiful theory killed by an ugly fact.
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Ellen Feiss (Score:5, Funny)
You just put it up, (Score:4, Funny)
Mirror (Score:5, Informative)
here [cofc.edu]
Re:Mirror (Score:5, Funny)
2) watch own homepage account thence university webserver slashdotted to death by largest geek website in the world in 1 minute flat
3) see smoke coming out of cheap server PSU and hear teenage girls using IE on campus saying "who turned off the internet I need to google for my term paper"
4) hope university is more charitable towards having lart student homepage account burn 1000s$ of bandwidth & take down university network than towards P2P file-sharing bandwidth $$$
5) have 56k modem on hand when dean demands network card confiscated
6) ????
Re:Mirror (Score:2, Funny)
6) ????
7) Profit!
lamo!
Re:Mirror (Score:2)
I'll keep an eye on it, and try to keep it functional, but mirrors are certainly appreciated.
Waiting for PPC 970 (Score:4, Informative)
Can't wait to get away from x86 micro-ops translation to RISC and into the world of straight RISC.
Re:Waiting for PPC 970 (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Waiting for PPC 970 (Score:4, Informative)
1) Buy old(er) G4 tower
2) Replace graphics card with said 8500Pro
3) Install hard drives
4) Theres no step 4!
Re:Waiting for PPC 970 (Score:2)
Step 2: Take Over the World
Step 3: There's no step three! There's no step three!
Re:Waiting for PPC 970 (Score:2)
I recently got an Adaptec SCSI card for the Mac. Doesn't work under OSX, because the card isn't a PowerDomain (Mac ROMmed) high-priced model, but the card works perfectly under the Linux AIC7xx driver. I have no idea how difficult it would be to port Linux drivers to Darwin.
Re:Waiting for PPC 970 (Score:2, Informative)
Yes. You should be able to install just about any OS supported IDE CD-ROM drive in a newer tower. My 1GHz at work has 3 IDE intefaces ATA/100, ATA/66 and ATA and supports ATAPI (using cable select). As for PCI it supports PCI 2.1 at 33MHz (5, 12 or 3.3v). AGP is 1.5V 4x. The new systems support PC2100 and PC2700 (dependin
Re:Waiting for PPC 970 (Score:3, Informative)
Yes apple does follow the standard on ATAPI Devices. Apple just sticks standard CD/DVD drives in their systems.
Yes they do use Standard DDR ram, in the higher end machines, PC133 in the lower machines like the eMac. Also, the laptop ram is standard SO-DIMM 133 or DDR in the case of the 17".
Yes, PCI cards can be put in the
Re:Waiting for PPC 970 (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Waiting for PPC 970 (Score:3, Troll)
I've an off the shelf Maxtor hard drive in my older iMac; naturally, there's no room for three of them, but a PowerMac could hold them. You can also use PC USB mice and even keyboards with a Mac if you wish, though I'd recommend a Mac keyboard since there's a FEW differences in the keys used. The PowerMacs also have AGP for video cards, though you may need a firmware upgrade to use yours with a Mac; ATI's site should have more info on that.
Apple h
Re:Waiting for PPC 970 (Score:2, Informative)
The only palces Apple breaks compatibility is where their tech is _better_. ADC is awesome, I wish PC manufacturer's would adopt - I have _way_ too many cables behind my computer desk. Some goes for their slick way of hooking the mouse into the keyboard (less cabling, again). You can get away with five cables from your tower (power, adc, keyboard, speakers, network), only one from your display (adc), a cab
Re:Waiting for PPC 970 (Score:2)
Plugging a mouse into a keyboard ought to be trivial USB functionality. I don't know what the big PC vendors are shipping because I don't buy branded systems from them, but I would be really surprised to learn that daisy chaining a mouse from a keyboard isn't commonplace by now.
Re:Waiting for PPC 970 (Score:2)
Re:Waiting for PPC 970 (Score:4, Insightful)
1. there are people that are still comfortably using older mac hardware.
2. (I can't recall the exact numbers but...) a IBM compat laptop goes for half what an apple laptop goes for after 2 years.
Re:Waiting for PPC 970 (Score:4, Insightful)
First of all, Macs tend to be usable for longer than PCs, so a slower upgrade cycle mitigates the higher upfront cost somewhat. Two, resale values of Macs are much better than PCs (check eBay, for example). Now, what you don't get is a new toy as often as you used to, but upgrade cycles can be terribly time consuming and tedious, and occasionally risky. It's also better for the environment to use your computer longer.
Another question to ask yourself is, honestly, what do you use your computer for that you need all the power you can afford? What do you do that "last year's computer" (and Macs are not as far behind as many people think) really really won't do? Is the speed difference so crucial that it overrides all the other benefits you notice with Macs?
Now, I'm not trying to conceal the raw speed problem with Macs. I'm just trying to promote a task-oriented view of computers. To give a fictitious example, if your PC is 10% faster, but crashes often and costs you about 50 minutes of productivity a day, then it's no faster than another computer that is more stable. The numbers are obviously made up, but try to think in that direction rather than just put specs up side by side.
Re:Waiting for PPC 970 (Score:5, Informative)
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Another point: POWER is not the same thing as the PowerPC ISA. POWER (which is cisc) supports som
In other news.... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:In other news.... (Score:2)
people build shelby cobra "do it yourself" kits all the time using ford parts. i bet you could build some supermac using apple parts
Re:In other news.... (Score:2, Funny)
Cardboard mac? (Score:3, Funny)
SLASHDOTTED (Score:3, Informative)
good product for me... (Score:4, Insightful)
Of Subject, I know (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Of Subject, I know (Score:2, Interesting)
I believe the subject of your post should say 'Off' not 'Of'.
I still have one complaint... (Score:2)
Re:I still have one complaint... (Score:2)
The case does not look like a Mac (Score:3, Insightful)
Damn right. (Score:2)
Everytime I forget someone hasn't seen my apple setup they always say "Damn, what the hell is that thing? A TV?" I just have to laugh.
I got the new iBook 900 and I'm waiting on the new 15" Powerbooks and the 970's. Until then I'm set.
Yup, I got one and built it (Score:2, Interesting)
http://www.sadistech.com/newbox/ [sadistech.com]
Re:Yup, I got one and built it (Score:2, Funny)
That is an order young man.
Mac users, the thinnest-skinned people on Earth (Score:2, Interesting)
On
This is only the first (or one of the first) homebuilt Macs. If enough people jump on the bandwagon prices will eventually drop. As it is now, the price is competitive with a brand new eMac, the comparable version of which was only introduced days ago.
I want to see PowerPC chips on PriceWatch. I want to see different people competing to do motherb
Re:Mac users, the thinnest-skinned people on Earth (Score:2)
There is something to be said about having the ability (be it a good idea or not) to build your own machine. As an ex-mac user myself, I gotta say that the first time I built my own x86 PC, I felt great. Definitely more rewarding than the sensation of opening up a carton and putting the Mac on the desk. Sure, it's not rocket science, but the sense of accomplishment has to be worth something.
If I still wanted a Mac, AND I could
Re:Mac users, the thinnest-skinned people on Earth (Score:3, Interesting)
On
It's not so much a "thin skin" thing as a reflection of the fact that slashdot isn't a homogenous group. Some people are going to want to do it because they can. Some people are going to want to do it to reach a new level of hardware customization. Some people are going to want to do it to have the level of configurability/performance that they could g
Re:Look a bit deeper (Score:2)
Then the prices *will* drop.
I considered corecrib (Score:4, Informative)
Bait and Switch? (Score:2, Informative)
The forum guys (and gals) discuss...
iBox is a bait and switch scam! [macnn.com]
Main text (sans pictures) (Score:4, Informative)
My first Mac was a Beige G3 junked from work. I upgraded it to the max, but found it lacking the speed needed to run OS X. I started looking into buying a Power Mac but I was turned off by the inflated prices. $1500 for a box w/ no monitor? Insane. I like Apple's constant innovation but their prices are way too high. I finally came across this story about John Fraser, and his idea to sell a Mac kit aimed at do-it-yourselfers. I've built quite a few PC's but never a Mac. I decided this was the route for me.
My core crib arrived on Sat. May 3, 2003.
As you can see, it arrives in a non-descript brown box from USPS.
The packaging was done well. The CoreCrib was secure in the box and was not damaged. Contents include, power cable, tower case, Apple Gigabit Ethernet motherboard, Apple Power Supply and blue/pink LED case fan. This is a very barebones kit. Provide your own IDE cables, drives, processesor, memory, video card etc....
I had an old Beige G3 I decided I'd rob parts out of. Most of what was in that box was old PC hardware I had laying around. At first, I could not get the Crib to boot, I checked the support forums and noticed that the only other person who had received a CoreCrib kit said you "HAD" to update the firmware on the motherboard. I assumed this was my problem. So I put the Crib aside and tried to track down an older G4 processor.
On Tues. May 6 another post arrived in the forums that the firmware was not needed to run newer CPUs. I then decided to investigate on my own. After an hour of testing, my problem was solved. The PC100 memory I tried to use from the Beige G3 did not like the faster G4 800 Giga Designs processor. I put a stick of PC133 memory in and the Crib instantly booted.
Here are some pictures of the box itself.
Here are some photos after my parts were installed:
Back plane is missing. Personally I don't care, I push it under a desk.
The Crib has changed colors and price. It is now available as Pro model and comes in a nice gmono white case. http://www.2khappyware.com/corecrib.html
My current expense list:
CoreCrib kit: $379, Gigadesigns G4 800 cpu, $275, 256mb pc133 $20, ATI Radeon PCI 7000, $100 The other parts I installed were extras from upgrading PC's. I've spent $775 on this machine and it runs OS X smoothly and without problems. I did purchase OS 10.2. I forgot to include that in the price. 2khappyware also sells complete and custom systems, you can add whatever parts you want if you don't want to buy them on your own. This case is expandable, you can add up to 5 hard-drives and multiple optical drives. Which is much different than the new Mirrored Power Macs. My next stop is to add the Radeon 8500 AGP card, the PCI card doesn't do Quartz Graphics.
Overall I'm extremely happy with the Crib. The noise level is very low. No windtunnel noise going on here. It is upgradable to dual CPU's if you want to spend the cash. A new Support Forum has started flourishing, so help is available. I highly recommend buying this kit.
Parts purchasing:
http://www.macsales.com
Information:
http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/
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Posted by Mark Dobie on 5/7/03; 11:36:45 AM
Apple sells refurbished Macs (Score:5, Informative)
This machine will only interest /. types (Score:3, Insightful)
The CoreCrib will only interest ./ build-your-own-PC types.
First off, anybody who uses a Mac uses it because they don't want the agg of PCs and all of the various config problems with hardware.
Anybody who "switched" sure as heck isn't going to suddenly decide they want to experiment by building a Mac. Heck, the whole reason they switched was to just use their damn computer!
I just don't see this ever going any further than the techno inclined... and only to those who really want to run OS X. And let's face it, a Mac capble of running OS X nicely can be had for 500 bucks now! Anybody who runs *nix is going to build a blow-em-away x86 box for the same price as the Core and not deal with the "finding compatible hardware problem". Besides that, at least for Linux, you basically have a choice between YDL, Mandrake (and Suse?)... you got four times the distros for x86!
I think this is a great idea, but for the price and maybe more importantly the warranty offered, I'd rather buy a used Mac from say Macofalltrades.com [macofalltrades.com]. I may not get a brand new machine, but I can get a system that is equal or better than the Core machine with a 30 day warranty (and an option of a one year warranty).
I hope it catches on though and I hope Apple maybe throws these guys a little help!
Re:This machine will only interest /. types (Score:3, Insightful)
Exactly. I'm not sure who this kind of system is really aimed at. If you want to hack together a system to run some kind of customised OS then Linux or *BSD on x86 hardware would be a better bet for you. If you want the Apple 'it just works' experience then buy from a vertical monopoly.
One of the main reasons I'm considering swithcing to Apple is that all of their kit is designed and tested to work as a whole. You don't get that in the PC wor
Slashdot Headlines from the Future (Score:4, Interesting)
Posted by smudge on Fri 09, 14:17
from the apple-lawyers-strike-again dept
Mark Dobie writes "I just put up a quick protest page against Apple's lawyers who demanded that the CoreCrib kit website be taken down. It's too bad that a company that makes such good products has such a fear of open hardware. [ed: see this [slashdot.org] story for more information.]
Building a Mac can be expensive... (Score:2)
This underscores Apple hardware cost problems (Score:2)
One of my current conundrums is whether I buy a Mac-based or PC-based video editing solution. Apple's
whats the cool case on the front page?? (Score:2, Informative)
Then, when you go to click "purchase", it looks like any old clunky PC box.
Whats the deal?
Real cost comparison or The myth of low cost (Score:5, Informative)
Okay, but Apple sells a spiffy new machine for $1,500. That's a difference of $536. Now the question is this:
Are the "extras" you get with the new Apple Mac worth the extra $536? Lets look at the "extras":
(numbers in parenthesis are estimated upgrade costs)
1. Support and warranty. You have someone to point the finger at with hardware failures (priceless??)
2. 200Mhz faster CPU speed ($225 assumes purchasing 1Ghz instead of 800)
3. 33Mhz?? faster bus speed (can't upgrade)
4. 2x faster memory (can't upgrade)
5. 32MB more Video RAM ( $65 more than the 7000 for the Radeon 8500)
6. GPU is about 2x more powerful
7. FireWire 800 ($100 includes USB2)
8. USB 2.0
9. Built-in AirPort antenna
10. AGP port is 2x faster (can't upgrade)
11. A better looking case
The things that can be upgraded will cost $390 to do so, and a total build-it-yourself cost of $1,356.
And this machine still doesn't perform as well as the new system will, and would cost only $140 less than the new Apple PowerMac.
I'll take the Apple eqipment for the extra $140.
Apple needs to recognize their new audience. (Score:3, Insightful)
The need to address a new market. Currently their hardware appeals mainly to:
1. Professional graphics dorks
2.
3. Some small business professionals - music, a few lawyers, etc.
3. Servers meant for Pro use, but too pricey for pro-sumer or consumer use.
But their new OS appeals to computer professionals, higher end educational and scientific professionals, and anybody else who wants to experiment with and learn about an OS from the ground up. The robustness of the OS is going to be fairly transparent to their current hardware purchasers, manifested by the fact that it doesn't crash and is easy to use (two things which should be expected). But the people who are attracted to the OS by its capability and flexibility expect the same from the hardware and Apple doesn't currently offer that.
I say reconfigure the product line and the store. Keep the beautiful professional and entry level laptops. Keep the readymade economic and powerful desktop options. But give us one more category. The Tinker-Mac.
-Appealing yet super-functional case. Easy to open. Designed more to the aesthetic of the Xserve than a desktop. Sleek, basic, tough looking.
-"Apple" processors in several grades.
-The option to add another processor.
-Optional HD's. Space for 2-3.
-Optional optical media.
-Optional video board.
-One Enet card + slot for at least one more.
-As many open PCI slots as possible
-Firewire, USB, etc (optional?) preferably on the front
-Feel free to contribute what I'm forgetting.
~$400-500
Apple needs to capitalize on the fact that many people who like to tinker with the OS and box love their OS, and want a box that's affordable enough to truly personalize. And I think they'd make a ton of dough by offering this option. They give us the option of an empty case with that's capable of running their OS on their processor spec, and accept that the people buying it are capable of researching compatible components on their own will not only sell a boatload of boxes, but persuade more HW developers to write drivers for OS X. Or the open source community will.
Screw all this "port to Intel" crapola. Apple needs to accept that there are people who want to run their OS in a build-your-own manner, and they can build the bare bones machines for that crowd, make it a unique selling point, and still make their margins.
Re:Aw man (Score:2, Redundant)
Re:Aw man (Score:2)
Re:Aw man (Score:5, Informative)
Of course (Score:2)
Re:But the question is who would want to? (Score:2, Interesting)
as for:
Pass that pipe my way dude!
As for me, I own four Macs and one PC. My newest mac is 3 years old, and the oldest is 5. All the macs just
Re:But the question is who would want to? (Score:2)
Care to back this up with some facts, or should we just treat your generalization like the revealed word? Where I live (NYC) and what I do (write) exposes me to lots of those artists and musicians folks, and there's nary a PC among them. Some sweet new Powerbooks, tho. . .
Re:But the question is who would want to? (Score:2)
In the end, I made the only decision that made sense: parmesan. It's hardened, very difficult to cut through, and versa
Re:But the question is who would want to? (Score:2)
Ever tried dragging the IE window around during a windows update scan?
Re:Yawn.. (Score:2)
Oh really, and we all though that this was something innovative!?!
Of course we know that. No one claimed that this was something new, just something that is more novel for the Mac. Can you piece something together cheaper that'll run faster around an x86 mobo, of course, no kidding. Again, not the point. It's a hobbiest system for those who are interes
Re:Hmm, even now it's not worth it (Score:2)
Can we be any more elitist? (Score:2)
You realize, of course, that Apples are built of the same [apple.com] "cheap crap" as PCs (RAM, IDE drives, etc), and that same "cheap crap" is assembled for Apple by the same company that assembles computers for Dell, HP, and Compaq [theregister.co.uk].