New iBooks and Apple Store 132
Vokbain writes "Apple just released new 800 and 900 MHz iBooks, and unveiled a redesigned Apple Store as well." Looks kinda cluttered to me.
Heard that the next Space Shuttle is supposed to carry several Guernsey cows? It's gonna be the herd shot 'round the world.
this is great news (Score:3, Funny)
what's this story about again?
God bless Credit Card Companies (Score:5, Funny)
Now i can get one of these slightly faster beauts for the same price...oh wait i cant
Re:God bless Credit Card Companies (Score:2, Informative)
Also, Apple delays shipments when they intend on releasing new models, you would have recieved the new model anyway.
Re:God bless Credit Card Companies (Score:2)
Re:God bless Credit Card Companies (Score:5, Informative)
Apple's sales policies are here [apple.com]. The only policy even remotely resembling what you said is stated:
Should Apple reduce its price on any shipped product within 10 calendar days of shipment, you may contact Apple Sales Support at 1-800-676-2775 to request a refund or credit of the difference between the price you were charged and the current selling price. To receive the refund or credit you must contact Apple within 14 business days of shipment.
You cannot exchange an item for a just-released newer version, ever. You may exchange one for the same item or refund within 10 business days, provided you didn't open the box. If you did open the box, there's a 10% fee. So the only circumstances under which one could do what you say are:
Otherwise, tough crap! That's the way it is when purchasing technology. It may well be obsolete by the time you get it!
Re:God bless Credit Card Companies (Score:2, Interesting)
new iBook, bye bye crystal white? (Score:2, Interesting)
If true, this will make most of the purchasers at our sit
Is 800Mhz New? (Score:2, Interesting)
I not so sure the 800 is new, I've had one for 4 months now, is this just an updated range with the 900 Mhx model new and the 800 Mhz model the only other one available?
Re:Is 800Mhz New? (Score:5, Informative)
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Clutter? (Score:2, Funny)
2. ???? [apple.com]
3. Profit!
Re:Clutter? (Score:1)
New era? (Score:1)
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Re:New era? (Score:1)
The Apple Store (Score:5, Interesting)
The Apple Store appears to be more usable to me. For starters, I can click on a picture of an iPod and jump right to the iPod page, instead of the digital lifestyle device page. This link used to be in the upper left of the old store.
I can see and pick from pictures of Apple products instead of going to a 'software' page and first. This is a big usability plus.
All of the laptops and systems are laid out and ready to be clicked upon.
If you want cluttered design, pick up a MacMall catalog, or visit the MacMall site [macmall.com], both grand examples of clutter and inappropriate exclaimation.
Re:The Apple Store (Score:1)
I actually like the look of the new store--it's a little brighter, cleaner, and more aquaesque.
Re: MacMall Clutter (Score:1, Funny)
If anyone here is interested, I can get you at least somewhat of a discount on all of the PC/Mac equipment you're buying anyway
Re: MacMall Clutter (Score:1)
The biggest problem I have with Macmall is their print catalogues.
First, every system page has about 9 squares of 'selling up' extra products like printers, RAM, etc. This should be limited to things directly related to the system.
Second, everything has an exclaimation point after it. If I ended every sentence with an exclaimation point vocally, I'd scream all the time. Big turn-off
Third, everything is 'ONLY $xxx'. It's not ONLY, sorry. Yes, I know that you display the only price for that product. That's
Re: MacMall Clutter (Score:1, Interesting)
The one thing that I can comment on is the "free memory". You should know that nothing in this world is free, except for the free beer that I got at a bar a few weeks ago near my house. While it seems like a rip-off, it does list the price (albeit small print) for installing the memory. That sort of deal is aimed at people who aren't very tech-savvy, and don't want to mess
Re:The Apple Store (Score:3, Insightful)
My question is, why didn't they update the other stores - the Canada store for example? I would've thought that they would have one 'store' with different ways of getting to it, and based on which you used (Canada, US, UK, etc.) you'd get different prices, products, and some different links. How odd.
Still, it's more usable for software, but less usable for hardware. Perhaps Apple's noticed a trend towards buying software from the Apple store? It's the logical place for it
No new machines, just a speed-bump (Score:3, Interesting)
Any other changes are too subtle for me to spot comparing the applestore spec with ads in last week's MacUser.
Re:No new machines, just a speed-bump (Score:2)
Re:No new machines, just a speed-bump (Score:2, Informative)
Re:No new machines, just a speed-bump (Score:1)
Plus, DDR video, ATA100, Faster CDR/RW, ... (Score:5, Informative)
What's your beef again?
I'm getting one of these for my wife (and it will be mine if she doesn't like it!).
Re:Plus, DDR video, ATA100, Faster CDR/RW, ... (Score:1)
I guess our currency has finally caught up with Apple. I compared the U.S. Apple store to the Canada Apple Store, and on the 12" PowerBook Superdrive, there is a $300 price discrepancy between the two stores.
iBooks disappointing (Score:5, Interesting)
It seems pretty clear to me that Apple is holding their iBook line back, limiting them to G3s, to encourage sales of their pro laptops. They are the only system Apple still sells with G3s, the iMac went G4 a long time ago and the low-end eMac is thoroughly G4. Oh well.
I love my iBook, and I'd love to upgrade it after this long - but not for only a 50% increase in speed. I might be an Apple die-hard, but I'm not quite that eager to give them my money.
Re:iBooks not as disappointing as others (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:iBooks not as disappointing as others (Score:1)
The pentium M is the first chip by intel designed from the ground up to be a mobile processor. Very low voltage and doesnt run very hot. They are also pretty comparable to the P4 speeds in notebooks (although the mhz are way different).
Re:iBooks disappointing (Score:5, Informative)
Re:iBooks disappointing (Score:1)
The change from 8-megabytes ATI RAGE 128 to 32-megabytes ATI RADEON will have itself a tremendous effect on MacOS X 10.2, not to mention games - many of them will simply refuse to install on 600 MHz iBook, but will run pretty well on the 800 and 900 models, just because of Radeon. So in overall experience you would notice way more than 50% of
Re:iBooks disappointing (Score:5, Insightful)
Or maybe to keep the price down, perhaps? Nah, that couldn't be it
If you want a G4 iBook, get a 12-inch PowerBook. Really.
Re:iBooks disappointing (Score:1)
It seems pretty clear to me that Apple is holding their iBook line back, limiting them to G3s, to encourage sales of their pro laptops.
Or maybe to keep the price down, perhaps? Nah, that couldn't be it ... ;-)
That and the batt life.
Re:iBooks disappointing (Score:3, Insightful)
I'm comparing machines at the same or similar price-point. The 12-inch PowerBook costs almost twice what I paid for my 600 MHz iBook, so you really can't compare them.
But, come on... even Apple didn't think enough of this to say that the iBooks have been upgraded their front page. Their store redesign is bigger news in their opinion.
Re:iBooks disappointing (Score:2)
If you put a G4 in an iBook, what distinguishes it from the PowerBook? Plastic instead of aluminum? Most of the rest of the differences are not very significant. Video card here, Bluetooth there, sure, it adds up, but you can lower the capabilities of the PowerBook and just have a lower-cost 12" Po
Re:iBooks disappointing (Score:2)
After 18 months, a machine at the same price point should be twice as fast. That's basic Moore's law, and PeeCees follow the rule. The technical details will of course be different - Moore's law is about bang for buck, not about particulars of the processors, G4, G3, or whatever.
Re:iBooks disappointing (Score:1, Interesting)
Moore's Law (which isn't a law at all, but merely a name for a general trend) says that the density of semiconductor junctions on a microprocessor doubles every eighteen months. If you really squint hard, you MIGHT be able to twist that around to imply that processor speed doubles every eighteen months, but that's definitely not the case in any general sense.
To go a step further and say that your a computer that costs $X today should be twice as fast as the computer that c
Re:iBooks disappointing (Score:2)
Laptops have never followed that "rule," (in quotes because it is not a real rule or law, of course) and it simply isn't feasible to do it with a G4. I am not missing what you are saying, I am saying that what you are saying is imaginary happyland.
Re:iBooks disappointing (Score:2)
If you really want to get technical, I just my Sony Vaio 505FX 3 weeks ago. That
Re:iBooks disappointing (Score:1)
Also, there have been rumors of a massive remake of the iBook line later in the year, so a huge upgrade to the line now would only slow the coming of that.
Re:iBooks disappointing (Score:2)
And? What're they supposed to do? The iBook you have sitting on your desk is *so* close to being a 12" powerbook - if they dropped a G4 in it, or bumped it to 1GHz then they'd never sell the PB's.
In my opinion (owner of a recent 700Mhz iBook), I'd hang on to it until the 970 based powerbooks start showing up. I expect we'll see a flood of G4's coming down to the iBook th
I wasn't disappointed. The perfect consumer laptop (Score:3, Interesting)
But for a new/prospective Mac user, the iBook continues to be a great value. The things really do have five hours of battery life. The design is
Re:iBooks disappointing (Score:1)
These have MR 7500 32MB Much better QE performance
What size L2 Cache? some of the 600MHz models had 256K, these have 512.
You also get a G3fx (v2.2?) instead of a G3cxe (or 745/755 v 3.1).
Also, if Panther does exclude some machines, this one probably won't be excluded (but it might, don't quote me)
But, I really like my Powerbook 12"
The new store looks like... the new stores (Score:3, Interesting)
What's different? (Score:1)
A new graphics card, the ATI Mobility RADEON 7500 is now standard on all models with 32Mb of DDR SDRAM.
But why o' why is the built in RAM still only 128Mb?
Re:What's different? (Score:2)
The 256Mb one comes with a 128Mb soldered on and a 128 Mb stick in the user slot.
As will all Apple products, buy it with the base amount of Ram and buy some cheaper stuff from Crucial or someone on ramseeker.com
Thanks for the UI tip, Slashdot. (Score:4, Insightful)
And Slashdot is what? The web's best use of white space?
Call it a hunch but Apple probably spend a few million dollars on testing and revising the hell out of this design. You wouldn't be seeing it on apple.com if they weren't sure it would increase sales and confuse users less than the old one. This is Apple we're talking about.
Re:Thanks for the UI tip, Slashdot. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Thanks for the UI tip, Slashdot. (Score:5, Funny)
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AC:
"omg shut up u faces jeez why dont u just go back to you're gay appple MACs??"
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Mikey-San
Burninating karma at the speed of TROGDOR!
Re:Thanks for the UI tip, Slashdot. (Score:2)
Re:Thanks for the UI tip, Slashdot. (Score:1)
Tangent: I like slashdot overall too--there's just too much damn info sometimes. Somehow, though, I am amazed at slashdot's lack of evolution in terms of design given the graphical talent of some staff members.
Re:Thanks for the UI tip, Slashdot. (Score:1)
Re:Thanks for the UI tip, Slashdot. (Score:1)
No Bluetooth. (Score:2)
I'd have my credit-card in hand if the little bugger had bluetooth. I'd love to be able to ssh into all my severs over a cell-phone internet connection.
(Apple is proably hopeing that people like me will buy the PowerBook - probably smart on their part)
Re:No Bluetooth. (Score:1, Informative)
It's smaller than your thumb. Just plug it into a USB port and giddy-up.
Re:No Bluetooth. (Score:2)
No way - It want it built in so I don't break it off accidently. A dongle would be ok if the laptop say on a desk most of the time - but I'd like to use it as a laptop.
Re:No Bluetooth. (Score:2)
In other words: quitcher bitchin.
I'm not going to spend $1000 extra to get buitin Bluetooth. Apple just lost a sale. IBM, with their X31, just gaind a sale.
I won't buy a laptop without Bluetooth, just like I won't buy a laptop wihout Etherenet. It'
Re:No Bluetooth. (Score:2)
"Intentionally crippled??" Jesus Christ. What a twit.
Hope you're happy with your IBM piece-of-shit Wintel laptop, dickhead.
Great, another Microsoft troll - trying to make Apple look bad.
Ta ta little boy.
Re:No Bluetooth. (Score:1, Flamebait)
Uh. What the fuck? What the hell are you talking about, junior?
You're probably some greasy faced, sweatshirt wearing, pasty Mircosoft intern who though it would be fun to post to Slashdot - pertending to be a foul mouthed, stupid Mac user.
We'll - you got the stupid part down right - Natural ability.
But you swearing leaves much to be desired - It's not even witty.
Re:No Bluetooth. (Score:1, Offtopic)
We'll perhaps you work for a fast-food joint, but you get the idea.
That's one hell of an imagination you've got there, sparky.
Thank you.
Now get back to work.
Re:No Bluetooth. (Score:2)
No AirPort Extreme (Score:3, Informative)
Re:No AirPort Extreme (Score:1)
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Considering how well-known Apple is... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Considering how well-known Apple is... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Considering how well-known Apple is... (Score:1)
Because That's The 12" PowerBook (Score:3, Insightful)
The model you describe would even have more RAM and a higher processor speed (though no AltiVec).
It would be a foolish move from a marketing point of view, and the internals would probably need a significant redesign to fit the differently-sized Airport Extreme card.
So that's why.
Re:Considering how well-known Apple is... (Score:1)
Apple has done it before (Score:2, Interesting)
Question (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Question (Score:2)
Little bits nice... (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Little bits nice... (Score:4, Informative)
Engrish (Score:1)
Small Speed Bump (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:Small Speed Bump (Score:1, Informative)
Yes, and many geeks don't either. Remember, for operations that don't make use of Altivec (or aren't optimized to do so), the G3 and G4 are pretty much equivalent clock for clock. Just as a random anecdotal example, my 600 MHz iBook and 733 MHz G4 tower render most scenes in povray in nearly the same time (usually less than 5% difference). Obviously I guess that means povray must not be Altivec optimized at all (and I imagine it could be).
Refurbished Deals more visible (Score:4, Informative)
The new design is busier for sure, but so is the rest of the web--hell, I can barely find the product I searched for on Amazon nowadays. They wanted more purchases on the front, trading "cleanliness" for "money."
iBook vs. Powerbooks (Score:1)
does anyone know if the 12" and 17" powerbooks have the same keyboard-touches-screen-when-closed problem that my 15" 800 Mhz (bought October 2002) has? This was a problem since at least the release of the first TiBooks, as far as I know.
My wife is looking at the 12" PowerBook or an iBook and I'd like to recommend one that she can close without worrying about putting a cloth over the keyboard.
Re:iBook vs. Powerbooks (Score:2)
You don't necessarily need a cloth for the keyboard, by the way: I have a standard 8.5-by-11 piece of paper for my 15" PowerBook, and I have yet to see marks despite a few months' use. You do occasionally have to replace the paper.
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RAM? (Score:2)
Re:RAM? (Score:1)
Re:RAM? (Score:2, Funny)
BTW:
CB
Give me a Dual Display feature... (Score:1)
I can't think of any reason, other than differentiating the pro and consumer lines, to not include this feature in the iBooks, now they all pack 32MB Radeons...
As it is I'll stick with my first rev. Dual USB and keep saving, and maybe my finances will get in phase with the 15.4 AluBook annoucement
But if anyone can point towards any hacks to get iBooks dual displayin' please do
Re:Give me a Dual Display feature... (Score:2, Informative)
Here you go! [xlr8yourmac.com]
Re:Give me a Dual Display feature... (Score:1)
I'm not sure why parent is modded down, I thought the battle between whining users and Apple's Engineers is part of any good hardware annoucement discussion, especially examples with cool solutions
Thanks again..
Sure sign that Apple is ready to get rid of them. (Score:1)
New Design (Score:1)
Apple Store Improvements (Score:1)
Don't believe me? Compare and contrast:
New Apple Store: http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/
Old Apple Store (in the form of Canada's Apple Store): http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/
They designed what? (Score:2, Funny)
"Let's throw one of every product line on the main screen. Make sure there are at least 30 images so modem users have to wait as long as possible. Use a low contrast color set of light blue text on a light gray background. And oh yea, let's really confuse everyone: instead of showing you the one product you click on, lets just show them all the products in the family in case they spon
My iBook... (Score:1)
Re:My iBook... (Score:1)
Re:Cheaper I book prices for Canadians!!! (Score:1)