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WWDC 2003: Change of Date And Location 46

Posted by Hemos from the change-time-and-date dept.
no_demons writes "Looks like this years Apple World Wide Developers Conference has had a change of date and location. The event will now take place from June 23rd to June 27th in San Francisco. Apple will also unveil details of Panther at the event."
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  • 10.3 survey: (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Bizzarobot ( 442358 ) on Friday March 21, 2003 @09:33AM (#5564477) Homepage
    Free or paid upgrade?

    • Re:10.3 survey: (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Draoi ( 99421 ) <draiocht&mac,com> on Friday March 21, 2003 @09:37AM (#5564511)
      Paid upgrade, I'm guessing. All the other minor numbers 10.1, 10.2 were ... There are supposed to be a *lot* of changes going into Panther, so it should be well worth it.

      • Re:10.3 survey: (Score:5, Informative)

        by derch ( 184205 ) on Friday March 21, 2003 @10:05AM (#5564713)
        The 10.1 upgrade was free from Apple stores and resellers or $20 for shipping and handling. Here. [pcmag.com]

        Macslash's article on the 10.2 pricing outrage had anecdotal posts saying that Apple typically charges for every other upgrade.

    • Re:10.3 survey: (Score:5, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 21, 2003 @10:26AM (#5564896)
      In favour of free:
      In recent history apple has done one payed upgrade... one free...
      • 8.0 payed, 8.1 free
      • 8.5 payed, 8.6 free
      • 9.0 payed, 9.1 - 9.2 free
      • 10.0 payed, 10.1 free
      • 10.2 payed, 10.3???????????

      In favour of payed:
      Theres supposed to be some really funky new things in 10.3 - including a fully integrated X11 server, yay, double clickable X11 apps at last :D

      Bob

      • you may as well go all the way back in that list!
        • system 0.1 through system 6.0.8 - FREE!
        • system 7 - payed
        • system 7.1 - payed (!)
        • system 7.1 pro - payed
        • system 7.5 - payed
        • system 7.6 - payed

  • WWDC Instead of Macworld? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Michael_Burton ( 608237 ) <michaelburton@brainrow.com> on Friday March 21, 2003 @09:37AM (#5564510) Homepage
    This change seems to raise the profile of WWDC, probably at the expense of the New York/Boston summer Macworld Expo, which Apple had previously declared it would not attend.

    Maybe Apple is trying to increase the visibility of its outreach to the geek community. I certainly hope this doesn't mean that WWDC is becoming just another trade show.
    • WWDC is the target audience for a OS upgrade from 10.2.x to 10.3 ->> Developers are the ones that want/need it the most anyway.

      Apple should be doing things on their own schedule, not some other company's (expo). This would avoid the embarrasment of anouncing hardware for sale that they can't ship for months; which has happened for everything so far this year.
      • Sure, Apple should be doing this on their own schedule, but they already posted it - changing it now for an alpha release of 10.3 is just not a valid justification.

        Of course it will be fun to watch Steve in his keynote production number, showing off non-existant hardware and features ( anyone remember Rendezvous inabled iTunes? ), but I'm going to the conference as a developer, not as an audience member.

    • Here's Hoping... (Score:5, Interesting)

      by bill_mcgonigle ( 4333 ) on Friday March 21, 2003 @01:03PM (#5566590) Homepage Journal
      ...this means we'll see the introduction of the PowerPC 970 [ibm.com]-based PowerMacs at WWDC now.

      That's about the only thing that could make up for pissing off everybody who's already made arrangements for May and Apple doesn't usually try to actively piss of its developers.

      • Re:Here's Hoping... (Score:3, Informative)

        by jbolden ( 176878 )
        I agree with you that the 970 release. Apple can show a beta one month or the next pretty easily. Heck Microsoft has demod code over a year before release.

  • Moscone versus San Jose Convention Center (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward
    There's no way that Mac developers will overflow Moscone. Heck, the last MacWorld indicated that not even all of the Mac users can accomplish that.

    Still, it will be nice to hang out in downtown San Fran. I hope they give the open source award to the Fink project.

  • Old Panther Link (Score:4, Informative)

    by Oculus Habent ( 562837 ) <(oculus.habent) (at) (gmail.com)> on Friday March 21, 2003 @09:57AM (#5564656) Journal
    The Panther link is a story about 10.2 from August 2002. No details whatsoever. I suppose I'l actually have to go and look for details now. :)

  • They just made WWDC more expensive... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Chief Typist ( 110285 ) on Friday March 21, 2003 @10:07AM (#5564719) Homepage
    I wonder how many people besides me are cursing right now because they have non-refundable airfares for the week of May 18th.

    We'll probably get nailed for changing the hotel, too.

    This sucks.
    • Apple is going to lose face with this one. Not only are people going to have to change reservations, but I know of at least one other conference [labmanconference.org] that is going to have to reschedule. What a pain.
    • Here is the reality: flying into San Jose is a HELL of a lot cheaper than flying into SFO. Dunno about the hotel room, but think of the 100-200$ your saving as you're riding the train from San Jose to San Fran...

      (I commute out of SFO every other week, and it pisses me off every time)

    • Re:They just made WWDC more expensive... (Score:5, Informative)

      by dhovis ( 303725 ) on Friday March 21, 2003 @01:35PM (#5567105)

      Sometimes you can get the airlines to let you change those "non-refundable" fares if you give them enough evidence that your reason for changing was beyond your control.

      I've heard the thing to do is to go to the airport, so you can talk to an actual human being face to face. Explain that you booked a flight to go to this conference, the conference got pushed back a month, and you'd like to reschedule your flight so that you can attend the rescheduled conference. Have printed documentation of what happened. If you can convince them that this was something you couldn't forsee, they willl often give you a break. Don't try this over a phone call, though. It won't work.

    • Re:They just made WWDC more expensive... (Score:1, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward
      I just changed my flight reservations without penalty. Because of the war, some airlines are letting you delay your travel plans without charging you... This worked perfectly in my case.

      Hotel reservations shouldn't be an issue; they generally let you cancel without charge up until a few days before.
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  • Better song, anyway... (Score:5, Funny)

    by dpbsmith ( 263124 ) on Friday March 21, 2003 @10:41AM (#5565028) Homepage
    ...in the past, whenever I've gone to WWDC I've been tortured by the catchy, bouncy, wistful David/Bacharach tune "Do You Know the Way to San Jose." It starts running through my head about the time I sign up and doesn't stop until I get home again.

    I'd MUCH rather hear Scott McKenzie crooning about gentle people with flowers in their hair.

  • new apple hardware? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by elohim ( 512193 ) on Friday March 21, 2003 @11:13AM (#5565348)
    This is purely speculation based on a few rumor sites (e.g. macrumors.com, macwhispers.com), but I'm hoping this delay might reflect the introduction of Panther as the first 64 bit MacOS, along with the introduction of 64 bit hardware (Power 970 based) for developer use. I can dream, can't I? :D The time frame seems plausible if you assume the rumor sites have accurate information.
    • What could you possibly get out of a 64 bit OS?
      Apple generally solders ram on to the lower-end macs, and the higher-end ones can't go beyond 1.5gigs (last I checked), so you're wasting what memory you do have for larger pointers.

  • this seems strange, they just released the details for the SanJose event a few weeks ago. they must have just thought of this very recently. they could have easily held off on releasing details and dealt with people complaining about the lack of info and then releasing the SF details.

    It makes the whole thing seem very ill planned. did they think Panther was ready a month ago and then changed their minds?

  • Opinions... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Mister Black ( 265849 ) on Friday March 21, 2003 @11:31AM (#5565521)
    Is moving the WWDC back a sign of Panther slipping or is it a sign of progress being better than expected?

  • Change good for Students (Score:5, Interesting)

    by codeonezero ( 540302 ) on Friday March 21, 2003 @12:40PM (#5566247)
    This is great.

    Back in 1998 I got a Student WWDC pass but, because the WWDC was the week of finals I had no hope of getting there.

    If this change continues in later years I think it might be a big boost to more student participation at the WWDC (who will mostly be off in June i think, or at least not have finals around that time), which will probably be good long term for Apple's Developer Community.

    I can't wait for Panther! (10.3)
    Quick someone post som Panther rumors!!

    Maybe a Pink Panther reference ;)
    • 1. The OS will make a purring sound as you navigate the finder.

      2. It will ask you what a 64-bit number is before letting you run 64-bit applications.

      3. Panther will spout off crazy Apple rumors that turn out to be true.

      4. If two Macs, one running Jaguar, and one with Panther, sit side by side, growling may be heard

      5. Internet explorer will no longer be pre-installed on the machine, replaced by and Safari.

  • WWDC moved for Preview? Not... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by stwf ( 108002 ) on Friday March 21, 2003 @01:21PM (#5566878)
    It seems to me that simply giving developers a "better preview" version of 10.3 is not a big enough reason to delay the WWDC. I know in the past they have had no problem handing us unusable prealpha's of OS X and called them Developer Previews.

    That would seem to support some kind of announcement that needed to be synchronized with another companies schedule. Moving WWDC has to be quite costly for Apple as well...

    For my Panther prediction I look to the biggest hole in OS X, the Carbonized and PowerPlant based Finder. Since there has been little improvement in it I'll assume a rewritten Cocoa based (and hopefully great) Finder is in the works.

    my 2 cents...
    • Interesting point, i did not know Finder was written using powerplant, i figured it would have been build using IB.

      logically, according to a story i read a LONG time ago, theres no difference in speed between Cocoa and Carbon, only in available controls.

      Maybe the reason they moved the preview is because they decided using 2.5GHz procs instead of the 1.8GHz Power5 proc. just a brainwave...

      would be a real turnon though, 2.5GHz Mac running a 64-bit version of MacOS X...

      *shit, i had premature ejacul
  • @#$%^&*! Wish I could afford to be out of the office for two weeks at a time, but I just can't do it. Although I love MacHack, I don't really have a choice on this one.

    Maybe I'll get lucky and MacHack will move to later in the year next year.

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