Mac OS X 10.2.4 Is Out 205
J. Ventura writes "Mac OS X Update 10.2.4 has been relased. The 10.2.4 Update delivers enhanced functionality and improved reliability for the following applications, services and technologies: Address Book, Classic compatibility, Finder, FireWire, Graphics, OpenGL, and Sherlock. It includes AFP and Windows file service improvements, as well as audio, disc recording, graphics, and printing improvements." Get it via Software Update.
Watch your network settings... (Score:4, Informative)
I had to resort to ifconfig, route, and hand editing
Thanks Apple!
Re:Watch your network settings... (Score:1)
No, this will most certainly not happen... (Score:4, Informative)
yep (Score:2)
Re:Watch your network settings... (Score:2)
Re:Watch your network settings... (Score:2)
fixing the little things, too... (Score:2, Informative)
Before I got even partially through booting up, I knew that Apple had fixed a very annoying LITTLE problem they'd introduced with 10.2.3 -- the monitor geometry of my iMac rev A would get lost upon reboot and I'd have to stretch, move, and rotate (slightly) it to my taste.
Now it remembers! I'm sure that very few people have this problem, as it didn't happen on my G4 at home, but it's nice to see that they're keeping up with some of the little things, too.
All Good (Score:1)
Don't forget... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Don't forget... (Score:5, Informative)
obviously, if you want to be super 31337, you can just type sudo diskutil repairpermissions / in console.
Re:Don't forget... (Score:5, Funny)
Actually, the super 31337 among us just copied-and-pasted what you'd already typed.
Re:Don't forget... (Score:2)
Re:Don't forget... (Score:3, Informative)
sudo diskutil repairpermissions / in console
I tried that on two of my machines and it quit partway through with errors on both. Running the GUI Disk Utility worked fine, though. Odd.
Re:Don't forget... (Score:2)
Re:Don't forget... (Score:2)
Yay! (Score:5, Interesting)
OSeXy!
-Brett
Re:Yay! (Score:5, Informative)
10.2.4 fixes:
http://www.info.apple.com/kbnum/n107362 [apple.com]
Re:Yay! (Score:2)
Much faster (Score:5, Informative)
10.2.4 seems to have fixed the problem - much snappier performance in Mail, and NetNewsWire (going from headline to headline was sometimes sluggish.)
No problems on the update that I've noticed so far...
Macos usually gets faster with new versions (Score:2)
I think the philosophy is get it out there then spend some time optimizing it.
I still find it odd getting speed improvements without updating hardware, but I'm getting used to it.
Re:Much faster -- Mails not the only thing... (Score:5, Interesting)
The easiest way to track the number of swap files is to use the "Go To Folder" command in the Finder's Go menu, and type "/var". Drag the "vm" folder to the right side of the dock (bottom if the dock is oriented vertically). Now you can click and hold on that folder in the dock and the pop up dock menu will show you the swap files. Another way is to run Memory Stick.
Re:Much faster -- Mails not the only thing... (Score:2)
It seems odd that Mac OS X would resort to creating multiple swap files and, then, allow cruft to build up in them. That is very unlike my experience with other UNIX; it seems much more like Windows. It appears that there must be memory leaks or other types of object leaks that collect like dust bunnies in the swap files.
I'm not necessarily knocking Apple in this, as I've seen how hard it is to deal with memory leaks in C programs. However, it may indicate that they either use malloc() directly too often without adding leak-detecting code or tools.
Re:Much faster -- Mails not the only thing... (Score:2)
Perhaps Apple could learn a few lessons from Solaris. Solaris allows any number of swap partitions and swap files to be combined into the system's virtual memory. There doesn't appear to be a performance degradation (at least that I've seen), and the OS can take advantage of any multiple disk/multiple controller situations for possibly even a performance boost.
solid release... (Score:2, Informative)
all in all, nothing special, just seems like they squashed a lot of bugs and added some behind the scenes goodness.
Re:solid release... (Score:2)
Re:solid release... (Score:2)
i didn't say that all of a sudden when i use photoshop, i can apply filters at some insanely faster rate, or that iMovie rendering is 200000x faster.
scrolling seems smoother in apps which have a scrollbar, and resizing windows is a bit snappier.
Re:solid release... (Score:1)
Re:solid release...Some more Objective Numbers (Score:5, Interesting)
Yeah, I wanted to know if it was just my perceptions being fooled by my expectations after installing a OS upgrade or if this was indeed a real effect. Hardware: Powerbook G4 667 MHz Gigabit Ethernet,768 MB RAM, 30 GB HD
10.2.3 => Cold Boot = 1:06, Shutdown 0:45, Login 5-7sec, Logout 6-15sec
10.2.4 => Cold Boot = 1:07, Shutdown 0:15, Login 6sec, Logout 5sec
The shutdown time has definitely been trimmed, but most of us OS X users will not be enjoying this speed advantage much as...we just don't have to shut down that much when the sleep/wake state is so quick and stable to use unlike my WinBlows computers.
The following times are in seconds, timed from when icon clicked on in the Dock to when the application window was fully loaded and ready to go.
(Task or App--10.2.3 1st run/Subsequent run--10.2.4 1st run/Subsequent run)
Safari----11.5/03.5--14.0/03.0
Chimera--12.0/5.1--11.0/05.2
Mail------05.5/03.5--05.3/02.2
Address--03.0/02.8--05.3/02.0
iCal------04.0/03.5--04.0/04.0
Sherlock--14.5/12.2--12.0/08.2
Word-----05.5/02.5--05.0/03.0
iTunes----05.2/02.2--04.5/02.0
iPhoto----05.8/04.2--05.2/04.0
QTPro----02.0/01.5--02.8/01.0
Sorry the formatting is so lousy, /. won't let me do a table. Also, the errors are like +/- 0.2-0.3 sec depending on if I was reaching for my beer during the timing and missed seeing the window pop up.
Sure it ain't scientific, but I think this update has gotten things moving along a tad faster, as have all the other .1, .2, .3 updates. Which is nice as many other OS's just seem to become more bloated with each iteration.
DaveC
Re:solid release... (Score:2)
Address Book remains open after closing all of its windows.
Address Book edit mode now includes an Undo feature.
not without issues (Score:3, Informative)
I thought I'd be more pissed, but frankly I've had so few update problems with OS X I figure I must be ahead.
I
Re:not without issues (Score:2, Informative)
Re:not without issues (Score:2)
Your old httpd.conf file is probably at:
you can restore it and then to a sudo apachectl graceful to bring yr old settings back.
iChat Changes (Score:1)
It moved on the dock, that is how I can tell. I realised that it sounded like i was psychic back there.
Re:iChat Changes (Score:4, Informative)
I believe it's located in the Dock.app bundle, if anybody wants to poke around.
Mail bug (Score:2)
Re:Mail bug (Score:5, Funny)
Actually, I fixed that bug myself.
Here's the patch: don't do that again.
Sorry for the flip comment, but c'mon... did you really want to test that particular 'feature' again just to see if they fixed it?
Re:Mail bug (Score:5, Informative)
It's easy enough to change to something bogus for the username (since one never needs to collect through more than one account, only send) but if you forget you're hosed! The only way to undo your mistake is to backup the mail folder, do your delete and then restore it...
A minor annoyance once one is aware of it but a bit of a pisser the first time.
Re:Mail bug (Score:5, Informative)
It's quite useful, though I can't imagine how anyone's expected to figure out that it's there. And still not quite as flexible as being able to just edit the From: field directly, of course.
Changes in httpd.conf (Score:4, Informative)
It now includes Apple's mod_rendezvous (Score:5, Informative)
Re:It now includes Apple's mod_rendezvous (Score:2)
Quickly looking at
Re:It now includes Apple's mod_rendezvous (Score:1)
Very helpful. Thanks. I ended installing PHP 4.3 though.
Re:Changes in httpd.conf (Score:3, Informative)
I'm still running Apple's default PHP build rather than a new compilation.
Re:Changes in httpd.conf (Score:2, Informative)
cp httpd.conf.applesaved httpd.conf
then restarting apache did the trick.
Along the same lines . . . (Score:2)
Cheers!
short list of bugs? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:short list of bugs? (Score:3, Insightful)
I'll upgrade to 6 when it's a little more mature, thank you very much.
Re:short list of bugs? (Score:2)
Re:short list of bugs? (Score:2)
www.mozilla.org [mozilla.org]
Re:short list of bugs? (Score:2)
Mature means it has been around long enough to fix major bugs.
I still read about major bugs with IE6, wheras IE5.5 is pretty good.
For the most part, I use Mozilla anyways.
Re:short list of bugs? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:short list of bugs? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:short list of bugs? (Score:2)
The gritty details generally are left out of any end-user documentation. For any complex system like a UNIX kernel, there will be hundreds or perhaps thousands of bug fixes from one release to another. Even Solaris, among the top ranks of UNIX, has many many fixes listed in their patch reports. It's just that Solaris is mature enough that very few people actually see those bugs, and Max OS X is on its way towards that sort of maturity--it'll just take some time.
Rendezvous doesn't seem to be the Eric version (Score:5, Interesting)
Taking a quick look at the Rendezvous bookmarks on Safari, I see a bookmark for each user made on my mac ("User's website") and then the one made by Eric Christopher [mac.com] is still present. Admitabally, it doesn't seem that they used Eric's mod, but I can't be 100% about it.
Re:Rendezvous doesn't seem to be the Eric version (Score:2, Funny)
Is that the newest Dubya-ism?
Bug fixed? (Score:1)
But Where are my Safari Tabs??? (Score:1)
Re:But Where are my Safari Tabs??? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:But Where are my Safari Tabs??? (Score:2, Informative)
No, it has not been fixed. I tested it, and my computer became unresponsive for a while. Trying to umount the device resulted in an error message, yet mount shows it.
It is a nasty bug, alright.
Re:But Where are my Safari Tabs??? (Score:1)
Re:But Where are my Safari Tabs??? (Score:2, Troll)
Re:But Where are my Safari Tabs??? (Score:2, Insightful)
Bluetooth Serial Utility (Score:5, Interesting)
Almost ok for me (Score:2)
What about laptop power management??? (Score:2, Interesting)
I know I'm not the only one who has seen these kinds of problems with OS X-- the iBook power management was rock-solid in OS 9.x.
Re:What about laptop power management??? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:What about laptop power management??? (Score:2)
Re:What about laptop power management??? (Score:2)
Re:What about laptop power management??? (Score:5, Informative)
Battery life? (Score:2)
But the battery life is kinda frustrating. The specs claim it can get up to 5 hours, but I only get around 2.5, and that's when doing stuff like typing the whole time. Is this normal? Do any of you guys get 5? I'm wondering if i have a bad battery...
AFP Updates? (Score:1)
Crap... it killed my PHP setup... again. (Score:1)
OS X Updates always kill PHP. I wish they would stop overwriting my httpd.conf and killing off my PHP setup.
Re:Crap... it killed my PHP setup... again. (Score:2, Informative)
Finder FTP bug is fixed (Score:2)
Re:Finder FTP bug... wha? (Score:2)
I find that accessing ftp sites using the "connect to..." option is slow, and will only allow me to download (no uploads).
I can't find any documentation anywhere about the OS X Finder's ftp functionality and what I should and should not be able to do. Any advice would be much appreciated.
BTW I have not yet installed 10.2.4 (I'm not at my own machine right now), but if anybody could offer me any insight into this I'd be most grateful.
You know as well as I do that it's... (Score:2)
You can't be bored when the beachball is spinning, just amuse yourself while it's working by making the dock animate. Magnify it, drag icons around, but don't drop them making the other icons slide around underneath.
Sometimes I find myself doing it just for fun, and the next thing you know it's dawn, the birds are chirping and you've missed out on 6 hours of sleep.
Copacetic (Score:2)
Re:Copacetic (Score:2)
Re:Copacetic (Score:2)
Broken Softwore Update? (Score:2, Interesting)
Or maybe it's the fact that I'm running OS X Server--does anyone know if the update to Server has come out yet?
Re:Broken Softwore Update? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Broken Softwore Update? (Score:2)
Broken Software Update? (Score:1)
Perhaps I should trash my Software Update prefs and try again.
Another Ho-Hum Update (Score:2, Interesting)
I just installed OS X 10.2.4 at home, and surely will do so tomorrow on the (good) machines at work! As per the usual with these things, I don't really notice what it did. And that is good.
I mean really, since when should a system update f&#k so badly with the (presumably) graphics subsystems that it breaks, and breaks really, really badly, apps that have gotten along just fine for about a year?
Now I am likely going to have to install 2K again from the CD, losing huge chunks of my preferences, hacks and such that had been running (stably ??) for the year, like the ones that disabled that horrid windows key that always to masquerade as an apple key (I do have a nice keyboard ; ) and made a control key like it should be (email me for this one, it is incredibly nice). Well, if I don't lose 'em, at least I am going to have to find every, single, bloody one of them that made that horrid os tolerable (though still not by choice).
Just to bring things full circle, I did once have to re-install jaguar after having screwed pretty badly some of the boot files (completely my bad). I remember the horror when I realised that the only hope was a reinstall. I also remember the sheer joy as I discovered that every bloody single preference, login item, font, and what-not was exactly as I left it, and functioning perfectly.
I always get excited at mac update time : )
--
"It pays to be obvious, especially if you have a reputation for subtlety." -- Isaac Asimov
10.2.4 startup panic FIX (Score:5, Informative)
Kernel panic upon reboot.
Apparently they broke the kext's support in 'updating firewire'
Just reboot holding down apple-s , that'll drop you into single-user mode, run the obligatory
then get rid of the FirewireIP kext by
mv
Trash it or do what you will with it after you successfully reboot.
Hope this helps!
Re:10.2.4 startup panic FIX (Score:2, Interesting)
10.2.4 broke the Linksys WPC54G AirPort2.kext hack (Score:4, Informative)
If you have used this (admittedly unsupported) hack to get 802.11g for older hardware, you might want to move the 3.0.1 kext out of the way and put it back. At least until this extra check is found and neutralized.
Re:10.2.4 broke the Linksys WPC54G AirPort2.kext h (Score:5, Informative)
The procedure to get your WPC54G to work with Apple's AirPort2 driver is a little more advanced now (it involves patching the driver), but it once again works.
here [kfu.com] is where you can get the details.
It's the Sound Card Support I'm Interested In (Score:3, Informative)
Some of you may remember that support for the Mac SoundBlaster Live card for OS X has been long in coming. But, perhaps, I'll be able to go home and toss in my SoundBlaster card and get 4.1 surround sound back.
Or, if I had money, I'd just pick up an Audigy card normally branded for PCs, toss it in my Mac, and live the dream, baby. We'll see. Has anyone tried SoundBlaster cards with 10.2.3 or later?
Another Great release... (Score:2, Informative)
I am running a G3/300 Beige MT with 768MB RAM and OS X is (so far) running very nicely.
So far so good... I too get excited when there are new Apple releases.
Civ players take note (Score:3, Insightful)
Improves compatibility with Firaxis Civilization III when the application's "Quartz text rendering" option is enabled.
And who says Apple doesn't care about making the Mac a gaming platform?
Magical Finder bug of a basically similar color (Score:2, Informative)
Step 1) untar a set of files to your desktop via the terminal (possibly using GUI app too?).
Step 2) single-click on one of the files to "verify that it's really there"... it is and is highlighted
Step 3) perform exactly the same untar operation from the command line again
Step 4) single-click on one/any/all of the files to "verify they're really there"... poof! it/they disappear, never to be seen again unless it is via the terminal (or you relaunch the Finder). This also happens if you click-drag to move them or click-drag to highlight multiple, as soon as you release the mouse-click... poof!
Step 5) You're not insane, 'ls' from the terminal and sit back in awe.
biting quips fail me on this one.
Re:Mac OS 10.2.4 (Score:5, Informative)
Oh, boy. Here we go again. Raise your hand if you're unclear on what Cocoa and Carbon mean. Okay, now pay attention:
[localhost:~] twirlip% otool -L Finder.app/Contents/MacOS/Finder
Carbon.framework
QuickTime.framework
PowerPlant.framework
DesktopServicesPriv.framework
URLMount.framework
DiskArbitration.framework
DiskImages.framework
CoreFoundation.framework
IOKit.framework
SystemConfiguration.framework
Security.framework
libSystem.B.dylib
Re:Mac OS 10.2.4 (Score:2)
I did notice that drag and drop is much smoother though with the new update. I found with 10.2.3 that if I had a Finder window with lots of files and was dragging a file - even to the dock - when it passed over the Finder window things ground to a halt. Oh, the cursor continued to move smoothly, but the icon it was dragging was way back at the edge of the Finder window. I've not noticed it doing that with the update.
Still I suspect the main Finder updates won't be seen until 10.3.
Re:Java still old (Score:5, Informative)
Java 1.4.1 is at developer preview 8 right now, so it's not Sir Crashalot or anything, but it's not finished, either. No lifeguard on duty; swim at your own risk.
Re:Java still old (Score:1)
Re:Preview d10 is pretty good. (Score:2)
Re:10.2.4 Ate My Finder (Score:2)
Re:mac newbie backup question (Score:2)
The Library folder, as an example, will have what you call prefs, but it's not that simple. Problem is, there are also configuration files (an invisible folder named 'etc' as an example)....this is Unix. Also, some are going to be invisible to a non-root user. Also, you need to maintain locations and permissions. Point is you don't want to be doing this manually.
Get an app that can automate it for you and at least backup the System folder. An app designed for the job will take care of invisible files and permissions....something you may want to learn about in the future, but not just to be able to backup.
Re:oh boy, another free upgrade (Score:2)
Even if it's another $150 for 10.3, it would be worth it.
OS X is the world's best operating system.