Apple Applies For Color-Change Patent 466
Secret300 writes "Apple is applying for a patent to release "devices capable of dynamically changing their ornamental or decorative appearance." If this is a success, it would considerably boost Apple's presence in the technology world." So, perhaps we can not only theme our desktop on the machine - but our *literal* desktop.
"devices capable of changing their color" (Score:2)
What's special about their patent? Are the surfaces non-planar or some such thing?
Re:"devices capable of changing their color" (Score:5, Interesting)
Hell, wouldn't certain animals qualify as prior art?
And what about novelity (is that a word?)? Screw the prior art searches, we need examiners that can say "This is not novel, so it's not patentable, even tho no one else has done it."
Re:"devices capable of changing their color" (Score:5, Insightful)
You obviously do not understand Patents... (Score:5, Insightful)
What is patentable is the means to DO the magic. A patent must disclose that means in a manner that those skilled in the art could reproduce the results.
Re:"devices capable of changing their color" (Score:5, Informative)
"Novelty" is "newness". "Novel" means "new". If no-one else has done something then by definition it is novel.
You might argue that "novelty" suggests something which is actually imaginative. But I think that here the word "novel" is used to define what is imaginative.
So don't throw away your prior art database out of a desire for novelty; you'll be throwing away your primary objective indicator of novelty.
Re:"devices capable of changing their color" (Score:2)
http://www.bitlaw.com/patent/requirements.html [bitlaw.com]
Re:"devices capable of changing their color" (Score:2)
At least here people can only patent stuff that's known to be possible...
Re:"devices capable of changing their color" (Score:2, Interesting)
Or a lava lamp?
Or those little artificial christmas trees with fiber optic stands built into them that dynamically emit changing colours?
I think that this has been done before.
All sorts of possible USEFUL uses (Score:4, Interesting)
I have often wanted just a small built in light for my keyboard on my notebook computer so I could see the keyboard with the roomlights off and not be blinded by the screens light.
How about a trackpad button that could segment itself into a three button mouse depending on where you pressed it.
how about just a load sensor, or something that showed you the state of the computer (like VM swap, talking to the firewire disk) or maybe if it told you if some other user was remotely logged in.
What if the computer turned oranged striped if it detected (somehow) that it had been stolen, or an un authorized log in was attempted.
finally, is there anyone who does not think the visualls that go on with iTunes are not stunning? maybe they can do something equally impressive here.
my last comment is this. it is only a short trip down the road before skinable color changing polymers allow video screens to be painted on all most anything in any shape, even flexible ones. That's when this idea will really take off. So this is just a precursor.
Re:All sorts of possible USEFUL uses (Score:2)
Re:All sorts of possible USEFUL uses (Score:2)
All your suggestions are interesting. However, let's not forget that this is the company that came up with the Flower Power iMac [applebytes.net].
So this means you *can't* rule out this patent allowing a future product to sin against nature.
Re:"devices capable of changing their color" (Score:2)
Theming Potential? (Score:2, Interesting)
I can see the office pranks... (Score:5, Funny)
finding that some joker has put my computer into "adaptive camoflage mode" and stashed it somewhere in plain sight.
-JT
Additional discussion.... (Score:5, Informative)
Ok is it me (Score:2, Interesting)
To comment on THAT story - computers themselves won't teach anything. It's small groups of enthusiasts like The R.E.S.I.S.T.O.R.S. (Whose motto was the totally cool 'Each One Teach One') or the MIT Computer Club that actually teach things.
And since most teachers are clueless re computers, only small groups can ever exist.
To comment on THIS story, this is just another land-rush patent crap that's caused by an incorrect patent system that will one day be corrected.
Re:Ok is it me (Score:2)
One - computers actually CAN teach something. When I was at Humber College I took a JCL course on computer. This was the 70's and the course was in a room of dumb terminals all wired to a box watched by this bored guy and the box talked to a bigger box at Seneca that actually ran the course.
It was WONDERFUL and I asked the bored guy if he had any other courses. 'Just one on finance but you won't get any credit for it'
Well I took it anyways and it was also wonderful except I never got a grip on the rounding rules. I was often off in my mortgage calculation by a penny and it always marked me wrong for it.
I've never pursued education like that before or since.
As for the other remark, I don't mean to imply you won't get a computer education at MIT except in the private clubs.
What I mean is a lot of the bedrock people of the Internet were the original hackers (in the explorer sense) and learned good stuff in extra curricular activities.
Re:Ok is it me (Score:2)
I've been saying... (Score:2, Offtopic)
This seems like yet another cosmetic improvement for the now technologically superior Powerbooks, G4s, and iMacs. I for one think this sounds great. And hey, it comes just at a time in which I thought their products could not get any better!
Combining a solid BSD core at the operating system level with a wonderfully intuitive and creative GUI and adding in beautiful hardware that's as easy to add as plugging in a switch is as good as it gets IMHO.
Way to go Apple!
Re:I've been saying... (Score:2)
Evangelism is a point of view, your disagreement with it does not make it a troll.
Too broad for no prior art. (Score:5, Insightful)
Imagine a display on a CRT surrounded by a decorative border... like we see in most applications.
Now if Apple had filed a patent specifically for a computer case that could change it's appearance at whim and provided a mechanism for it to do so, they'd be set, but no, the want to corner the market before there is a market. Boo, Apple!
Re:Too broad for no prior art. (Score:2)
Re:Too broad for no prior art. (Score:3, Informative)
Apple, I don't know what on earth you've come up with, but I'm at once scared and excited. I can't wait for whatever MWSF you show this off at.
--Dan
Re:Too broad for no prior art. (Score:3, Insightful)
A television screen, for example, or any other CRT can alter both it's functional and decorative apperance with just a change in display signal.
I'm no expert, but aren't you confusing the patent Title with the patent detail?
For example, the first company to develop a way for producing steel razor blades applies for a patent entitled 'Method for producing steel razors', but that only protected the method described in the detail, not every possible technique.
In fact, one of thier competitors developed a different method for making steel razor blades, and they were allowed to patent that.
Just because this patent's title is quite broad, doesn't let them patent the entire market.
Cheers,
Michael
So what does this mean? (Score:2, Insightful)
Does nature count as prior art? (chameleon)
Is there a patent on covalent molecular bonds? Man, I could really clean up.
Re:So what does this mean? (Score:2)
I wouldn't count the chameleon's changing of colours to be dynamic changing its ornamental or decorative appearance. Those colour changes help it live its live more easily.
Once again, apple comes in first. (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Once again, apple comes in first. (Score:3, Insightful)
The old MacOS could multitask just fine.
No, it couldn't. Its cooperative multitasking was stone age technology. Clicking on a freaking menu item would often bring everything else on the system to a grinding halt.
What OS X brought to the Mac was preemptive multi-tasking (which some people would say is not always a good thing for a single-user computer to have, but that's another debate).
By "some people," you must mean "Mac apologists." What technologist EVER argued that the Mac's cooperative multitasking was better? Just the thought of that is hilarious.
There were multi-CPU Macs prior to 2000.
No kidding, too bad MacOS itself couln't utilize those extra CPUs -- ya know, kinda like I fucking wrote. I'm sure the technology world is real impressed that less than a handful of apps could actually utilize those extra processors. How efficient. Must be another example of Apple coming in first.
Yeah, these uses are gonna be just about as practical as a line of multi-colored iMacs -- just what the world of hightech has been waiting for with white-knuckled anticipation. And about as useful as an Apple-branded mouse.
Boost what? (Score:5, Insightful)
If this is a success, it would considerably boost Apple's presence in the technology world.
I'm not sure how pretty colors will bost them in the technology world, let alone the ability to change amongst various pretty colors. Remember those sneakers with the clear logo and replacable colored inserts? That didn't boost the shoes in the technology world, why would a similar tech boost Apple? Have their shiny colored computers boosted them "considerably" so far, or was it their generally good hardware architecture and cleanly-integrated OS? Sigh.
Re:Boost what? (Score:2)
Their shiny-colored computers have boosted them more than anything else. Remember the first iMacs? That's when the great unwashed began to take notice of Apple again.
RICE BABY YEAH!!!! (Score:4, Funny)
If my computer could change colors as you walk around it like some of those wonderful paint jobs that I've seen on many a Honda Civic... well, then I would probably shit my pants with joy.
Come to think of it, and judging my that smell, I guess it doesn't have to be with joy.
I hope that having color changing exteriors won't cause them to give up hope of the slowest JVM, fire causing power supplys, and expensive underclocked RAM.
Re:Our term for 'em is: (Score:2)
Re:Our term for 'em is: (Score:2)
Offense is in the eye of the beholder. Please don't assume your own sensitivity level is universal.
I really don't care who I offend.
That's what I want to hear. You know you use racist, offensive language and admit it freely. That is indeed your choice. Just don't pretend otherwise.
Re:RICE BABY YEAH!!!! (Score:2)
Exactly. Back when racism against Asians was commonplace, 1) because of WWII, then 2) because American industry workers feared the loss of their jobs because of lower-priced Asian imports.
The cars are indeed laughable. The term, however, is racist.
Re:RICE BABY YEAH!!!! (Score:2)
Just because you know some Asians that don't mind the term, that doesn't make it non-racist. It is offensive to some people. If you don't care, that's your bag . . . just be aware that it's racist.
Re: (Score:2)
Is this how the patent system works now? (Score:2, Insightful)
I thought that a patent had to be on a particular method or device, not on a general class of devices that has a capability to do something.
If Inventor A patents Mousetrap A that works using a mechanical spring baited with cheese, and Inventor B invents Mousetrap B that works using poison, if Inventor A holds a patent on Mousetrap A, it shouldn't affect B's ability to build or patent Mousetrap B. It's not the capability of the device (the capability to trap mice in this case), it's the *method* or the *design* used to achieve that capability.
Or has the patent system gotten completely screwed up?
Re:Is this how the patent system works now? (Score:5, Informative)
It's on a method of doing it using light to shine through the case.
Re:Is this how the patent system works now? (Score:2)
Whats your favorite color HAL? (Score:5, Funny)
not to nitpick... (Score:2)
Blue! no, yelLOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWAAAAAAAHHHH!!!
ok...so I watch too much Monty Python...
WOW! (Score:5, Insightful)
Seriously 'tho..after reading the patent I don't think this is anything that special. It seems like Apple is going to start putting RGB LED lights inside a specially designed case so you can change the color of it to match your surroundings.
Is it just me or is this the hardware version of feature creep? Is Apple going to fit all its devices full of cute doodads just to raise the price more? My opinion is that Apple should be investigating an open architechture for its hardware..but that's just me.
It'll probably be functional (Score:5, Insightful)
It'd be nice if there were similar indicators for new mail, or alarms from iCal, connection state, short messages, etc.
THAT is how I think this technology will be used. As indicators of state independent of the display, that effectively use sparse cover space, that can change in multiple ways, and so forth. And uniquely, they don't mar up the computer's appearance when they're not needed. Possibly this will even be like having a second display capable of showing generalized information, at least in part. Changing the overall appearance of the computer is just a bonus.
Re:WOW! (Score:2)
Some prior art: (Score:2)
The receptionist's fingernails. [imdb.com]
Marty's clothes, IIRC [imdb.com]
Visuals (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Visuals (Score:4, Funny)
Only if they already have some form of this technology.
So, what's the point? (Score:2)
This sound interesting: changing the colour of the computer's case (and maybe peripherals too), perhaps under software control - I'm sure that case modders would love to be able to do this. But, seriously, think about it: why would you worry about changing the case's hues When You Still Can't Change The F***ing GUI's Colours? Being able to only change the desktop background and window buttons just doesn't cut it. If they still can't get this one feature through, why should they even bother with the outside?
(Yes, I'm aware of theme-changing utilities, but they're not a standard feature).
Prior art abounds (Score:3, Interesting)
Is Apple trying to patent case mods?? Plenty of prior art... those neon-lights-behind-a-window case mods, anyone? And yes, the patent speaks of changing the color or pattern of the light. Been there, done that: there's a case mod that emits a light ranging from blue to red, depending to the CPU temperature.
Re:Prior art abounds (Score:2)
Slashdot hypocrisy pseudocode (Score:5, Insightful)
&& $topic == "patent" )
{
post.story("Patents are evil, Linux r0x0rZ!");
}
elsif ($org within ("Apple"|"Transmeta"|"VA")
&& $topic == "patent" )
{
post.story("Feature xxx is cool! $org r0x0rZ!");
}
else {
ignore.story();
}
Re:Slashdot hypocrisy pseudocode (Score:2)
But, that's nice that they're doing such a wide reaching patent. I think that we can safely say, "Bye bye case mods", since any cases sold already modded would violate the patent. So if anybody does LAN parties, you're gonna have to get an Apple if you want a cool case. Swell.
Re:Slashdot hypocrisy pseudocode (Score:2, Insightful)
The most pathetic thing is, if Dell did something like this, there would be a front-page rant with 1500 replies to it in 10 minutes.
But Apple is held sacrosanct, because they compete (poorly) with Wintel.
Re:Slashdot hypocrisy pseudocode (Score:5, Insightful)
That's just great. (Score:2)
Sounds like Apple is patenting women. Women are closed source enough as it is, now they're patented?
Definately prior art ... (Score:2)
As mentioned before, this sounds like an LCD, but there are other things that this would infringe upon
Paint for automobiles that you can hook up to an E.Q. that will change colors based on the electric current that passes through the paint already exists
Transformers.... (Score:2)
Prior art?
This has already been done... (Score:2)
These new macs... (Score:2)
Dip it into icy water, and it will turn hot pink. Wipe it down with a warm wet cloth and it's blue. Bake it in the microwave, and it will light up in all colors of the rainbow.
Ain't technology grand?
Mood Mac (Score:2, Funny)
What would Ellen do?
Mood ring / mood laptop (Score:2)
So, they're patenting the mood ring? (Score:3, Insightful)
Serisouly, even if they are changing color dynamically, isn't that basically just wrapping an object in "electronic ink" paper?
Jon Acheson
prior art (Score:3, Funny)
Prior Art (Score:5, Interesting)
I changed... color, that it. (Score:2, Funny)
These guys are doing this already -- SERIOUSLY! (Score:2, Interesting)
I thought I'd read a press release lately about how some teen/geek toy was doing the color change case thing already. Will submit when I find it.
Scott
I'm going to patent .... (Score:2)
2) Disco floors
3) Those cool fish tanks with rotating lights
4) Cop sirens (no more tickets for me)
Re:I'm going to patent .... (Score:2)
I don't see this as being any of those (except the too long a duration) assuming it's very different from mood ring technology. The applications range far outside the computer domain -- i'd love to have a car i could change color at will.
Why? (Score:2)
Why would this considerably boost Apple's Presence? So your computer changes color, OMG the technology I've been waiting for to "Switch"
I can see the commercial now. 'I've been waiting forever for a computer that can change colors and look cool on my desktop, It's finally arrived, Now I have a reason to leave Microsoft forever.'
Judging from most of the responses ... (Score:2)
perhaps it is just LEDs. and if this were the case, trust me, Apple's found some ingenius way to use them that no one has done before to communicate information via color - something that is more 'human' than a dialog box, let's say. and if it IS just LEDs, then it won't really incur much more cost, now would it?
Lets not forget the derision that was apparent when Apple released the new style towers in 99 w/ the B&W G3. Sure, the colors mighta been weird, but for all the nastiness written about its "girly" appearnace, how it didn't have enough drive bays, yadda yadda, they ignore the fact that you can upgrade this thing by just pulling a latch and swinging the entire side panel down, reveaeling the motherboard and all other internal components, all within reach and plain view and without obstruction, in a fraction of a second.
so please, enough of this 'shiny useless trinkets' crap. what's wrong with adding a little style to round out seriously amazing capabilities?
Re:Judging from most of the responses ... (Score:2)
Well, uh, A Mac is a computer. A slow, expensive one at that. What's so amazing about 'em? Do they do things that I don't know about, like make me coffee?
Apple Trying to out-do Microsoft (Score:5, Funny)
User: Hello.
Apple: This is Apple support, how may I help you?
User: My computer is flashing, and it is all black.
Apple: What is the pattern?
User: Three short flashes followed by three long flashes.
Apple: If I were you I would drop the phone and run away!
Apple == Amazon??? (Score:2)
I've liked Apple all along, even if I haven't always (ever?) liked their computers that much. They have been innovators, designers, and inventors. Now they're turning into litigators. Sigh.
potential patent flaw (Score:5, Informative)
I know, there are millions of examples [chiasso.com] of prior art [chiasso.com] that all are [sharperimage.com] microprocessor controlled utilizing storage (write once only, but it is storage) and decorative lights projected through a surface. But at what point do we draw the line between decorative and functional?
-C
Re:potential patent flaw (Score:2)
Mathmos? (Score:5, Informative)
They've got a whole series of "devices dynamically changing their ornamental or decorative appearance", pretty much in the same way Apple describes in this patent. Just check out the "tumbler" or "faze"...
Does "prior art" for US patent have to be from US? (Score:2)
"APPLYING for a patent " (Score:2)
This means there is a public comment period approaching. You case mod gurus may want to make your views known on prior art for illuminating computer cases.
The Shining Apple Logo on iBooks? (Score:2, Insightful)
By applying for a patent on this idea, Apple secures that no other laptop producer removes the light isolation on the back of an LCD screen to allow light to shine through a logoshaped part of the lid of the computer. The only part of the computer you can see in a dark conference room, I might add.
Patents are evil!! (Score:3, Funny)
OH, wait. We're talking about Apple, not Microsoft.
This is great. This will be great for Apple. Hooray for Apple!
Pretty nice idea. (Score:2)
We have to hand it to them, it would make some awsome cases. Imagine a plugin to XMMS that flashed not only the screen but the whole damn computer with the music!
Salesman: "What colour do you want your Imac in?"
Customer: "Blue"
salesman clicks on a button.
Salesman: "There you go"
Holy Mother of God. Literally. (Score:5, Interesting)
He's been doing this for 40 years * that I know of.* I don't know how long before I moved in next door he'd been doing it.
You'll find the same technique used in any theatrical performance, rock show, movie or other such staged performance.
This technique is so old it isn't even medieval. It predates that period by a considerable margin.
And since when is chrome "tech?"
"Yeah, I advance the technology of my house by putting up some new wallpaper and adding a few colored lights."
Right Bob, bite me.
KFG
as always, very broad wording.... (Score:3, Insightful)
any hard drive in a transparent housing, with a led indicating seek or read, is covered by this patent
Re:as always, very broad wording.... (Score:2)
It's not so much what is covered by the patent, as what Apple intends to enforce with it. Until I see what Apple has built that they are describing and whether or not they go after anything that can change color I don't see this as malicious a patent as say Amazon's 1-Click.
If, however, they have just built a case made out of a very large mood ring and start sueing mood ring manufacturers, then I'll have a problem with it.
my powerbook already has this (Score:2, Informative)
fiber optic lighting (Score:2, Insightful)
Michael Jackson? (Score:3, Funny)
;-)
Apple's new coat of colors (Score:2)
Does Apple's attempt to patent a color-changing desktop simply lend this further credence?
exemplary of the patent system (Score:2)
In fact, arguably a large chunk of furniture and clothes design is about "dynamically adapting" to the tastes and moods of the user. It's just that the most cost effective means so far have been manually operated.
this is not novel! (Score:2)
not too innovative (Score:2, Insightful)
however, after seeing this picture [mac.com] posted on ars technica [infopop.net], it looks like what they're really doing is patenting a method of lighting. the picture suggests a light inside the monitor and the computer that illuminates the device. sounds like mod kiddes putting cold cathode lights and windows in their cases, doesn't it?
no way. (Score:2)
So what ever happened to the law that you can't patent a concept like this, only an expression of concept? Apple certainly might be able to build something that changes color and patent the technology that does that, but they can't patent the concept of things that change color. Not only isn't it an expression of a concept, but there is way too much prior art (anyone remember mood rings?).
Santa provides prior work evidence. (Score:3, Funny)
"That Steve Jobs is going to be on my Naughty list this year", says a miffed Santa. "It's one thing to compete in the same toy market as I do, but it's another to try and muscle ME out!"
Re:Great (Score:4, Funny)
I'm guessing because it's a story about the decline of quality education in america that uses the word "plase".
Re:Computers don't make the man (Score:2)
Re:COSMETIC (Score:2)
This is rather nifty: (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:This is rather nifty: (Score:4, Funny)
"Honey, what is all that blonde and pink stuff on your computer case?"
Re:new imacs (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:new imacs (Score:2)