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Where Have all the 15" Displays Gone? 58

Posted by Cliff from the save-an-affordable-display-for-me dept.
ike6116 asks: "According to Apple the 15" Apple Studio Display is still available, but when one clicks on Store and tries to select it with a system it is nowhere to be found. I ask you: Where have they gone to? Why have they left? Will they be back?"
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Where Have all the 15" Displays Gone?

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  • WHERE??? (Score:5, Funny)

    by matthew.thompson ( 44814 ) <matt@actuali3.14159ty.co.uk minus pi> on Monday December 09, 2002 @06:38AM (#4842990) Journal
    I was looking on the Mac site and it like said there were displays available but I clicked on the link and it went beep beep beep andlike ate my display. Bummer.

  • Evolution Does Exist! (Score:3, Informative)

    by vandel405 ( 609163 ) on Monday December 09, 2002 @06:40AM (#4842993) Homepage Journal
    Everyone watch at slashdot morphs to MacRumors!

    They've been saying this for months Apple 15" LCD No Longer Available [macrumors.com].
  • I'll bet all the 15" displays have been removed from the warehouses because Hillary Rosen's crack team of technologists and lint-pickers have discovered that these sized displays are actually *perfect* for view movies on in proper aspect ratio, and thus are a violation of the DMCA.

    Or maybe these screens are featured in the next Star Wars movie and Lucas' has had Jobs' over for dinner again to remind him about that whole 'clone wars' argument.

    Oh, oh wait, I know ... *TERRORISTS* are stockpiling them to make a Beowoulf out of the LCD controller chips in a canny attempt at foiling the FBI, who aren't sure about anything that doesn't run on the federally approved standard MS INtel chips.

    Aliens? Okay, no, that's weak. How about Bill Clinton?!! I'm sure he has something to do with it ...

    • actually the 17inch iMac LCDs are perfect for wide screen movies...... the size upgrade is somewhat subtle if you see them side by side, but makes movies look a lot nicer. the 17inch (if i remember right) are the same height as the 15inch models, just the 17inch models are a bit wider.....

      if you want to fuel the rumors more, they sites have claimed the iMac will go to 17inch and 19inch *soon*.

      they also say the next revision of stand alone LCDs will be 17inch (maybe) and 19inch both in widescreen aspect... and then the surrent bigger way expensive models (possibly bigger than 23inch even).

      personally i would love a 19inch wide.... i use a 19inch and 15inch CRT right now and think one nice wide screen would eliminate the need for both screens. the thing i really like about 2 is keeping toolbars on there when doing graphics or layout work.... plus most widescreen ratios are right for 2 pages side by side (or an 11x17 layout).
  • Apple just wants to sell larger, more expensive displays. It's as simple as that.

  • Here's an idea: (Score:4, Insightful)

    by QuietRiot ( 16908 ) <cyrusNO@SPAM80d.org> on Monday December 09, 2002 @07:17AM (#4843055) Homepage Journal
    Here's an idea:

    Ask Apple.

  • Like ones where we can say "Go search on Google".

  • Some third-party Apple distributors (mail order and locally based) may still have a few of these in-stock, so it's just a matter of asking around.

    Honestly, however, the 17" display is a very pleasant display that's worth the extra dough, if you can afford the means.
  • Considering that this is a weak Apple thread and the editors refuse to post
    my Ask Slashdot: post, I'll hijack this article and post it here....

    If Apple where to add native X11 support to OS X (don't ask),
    and wanted to show off this new capability, what would you
    recommend as the top ten X11 apps? I know there's things
    like the GIMP, but beyond things like desktop managers,
    what does the Linux community run under X11 (or X on X,
    or XFree86) that gives them a smug feeling of superiority?
    I can't think of 10, can you?
    • 1. Gimp :)
      2. xChat (unless u know a better native.app, I couldn't)
      3. PAN
      4. Gimp
      5. oOffice.org

      well, halfway there ;)
    • If Apple where to add native X11 support to OS X (don't ask), and wanted to show off this new capability, what would you recommend as the top ten X11 apps?
      Gee, sorry Adobe, Macromedia, Microsoft, Every other developer benevolent enough to continue support for our platform through times of dwindling market share... We've decided to allow users to run GNU alternatives to your apps right out of the box - yeah we know! "Human interface guidelines, shmuman shminterface shmidelines!" We've decided that having both screen-perimeter affixed menu bars and window-nested menu bars is BETTER...

      I think the "smug feeling of superiority" comes from paying $12.47 for hardware and running a free suite of software, not the X11 environment...
      • We've decided that having both screen-perimeter affixed menu bars and window-nested menu bars is BETTER.

        Your main point about interface guidelines is correct. Your example however is not.

        For X apps the positioning of the menu bar is controlled by the window manager. So it is not only possible but quite east to have perimeter affixed menu bars for X apps by choosing / configuring the window manager to use this setup. Oroborus is a window manager which actually uses this scheme.

    • feh [linuxbrit.co.uk]
      gtk-gnutella [sourceforge.net]
      lopster [sourceforge.net]
      dc_gui w/ dctc [tzo.com]
      mtr [bitwizard.nl]
      gkrellm [wt.net] (Not sure how well this would work...do OS X systems have a compatible /proc?)
      xmms [xmms.org]

      • You ever notice how moderating useful posts Offtopic has little or no point? For Chrissake, if you want to call Offtopic on someone, go after the "SOVIET RUSSIA" guy or someone who's detracting from the forum, not helpful posts.

        There's at least one user now whose .sig reads "I metamoderate all Offtopic moderations Unfair", which I'm starting to agree with. Go blow your mod points on trolls, not on helpful discussion.
    • If Apple where to add native X11 support to OS X (don't ask), and wanted to show off this new capability, what would you recommend as the top ten X11 apps?

      xterm. Terminal.app is useless as a terminal emulator.

      It does not allow you to map your meta key to the place where it belongs (instead, it grabs the meta key for the completely useless keybindings it has). In order to modify your keybindings to switch alt and command, you have to use a third party kernel module which would indicate a low-level architectural problem. You cannot use emacs with Terminal.app (not a big deal for me since I use vi, but it's annoying for using bash and zsh where I use the emacs editing keystrokes - and yes, I know zsh has a "vi-mode", but that's besides the point).

      Terminal.app continues to insist on the inane "copy/paste" paradigm, even if I have a perfectly good three-button mouse. Hint: if I highlight something in a terminal, I'm going to copy it to the clipboard - there's absolutely nothing else you can do with a selection in a terminal emulator. If I have a three-button mouse, the middle mouse button isn't doing anything useful, so why not allow it do paste, as is traditional in unix environments?

      NB that Terminal.app actually emulates xterm escape sequences. However, it sends "vt100" as the terminal type. What the hell is the logic behind that? Are they trying to pander to the clueless newbs who can't figure out how to set their terminal type when they telnet into an older Sun box, or what?

      Terminal.app steals the page up/page down keys for scrolling, instead of using shift page up/shift page down, as is the norm. If you actually need to send page up/page down to a program, you're SOL, and a number of terminal programs expect these keys for some function because no other terminal emulator that I know of has stolen them.

      If Apple adds native X support, I'll finally be able to use a Macintosh as a terminal. I'll open up Terminal.app, ssh into a normal *nix box and launch xterm remotely. NB: I don't care about fink or any other third-party X server. The only time I'll use a Macintosh is if I'm in the field and I have nothing else available (so I'm not going to install third-party software on someone else's machine).

      I believe it would be far more useful if Apple coded up their apps to be proper X clients instead of adding X server support to OS X. If you try to run OS X Server, the only way you can configure the various services is via their little gui application (or, you can figure out the undocumented netinfo strings they modify, but then you're in the exact same boat as with figuring out what registry keys MS Windows software modifies and uses). These applications are supposedly "network-aware" - you can run them on some other machine and connect to your server remotely. However, they're still completely useless, as you need to install the applications on the other machine, and you need to have a Macintosh as your currently-available machine in order to do it in the first place. If some machine is misbehaving, you have to find an OS X machine whose owner will allow you to install software, or you need to physically get to the box - more often than not, you end up physically going to the box, whereas I don't even remember what the cases on my FreeBSD servers look like.

      As for your original question, xterm is the only thing I can think of. I spend 80% of my time in xterm and the other 20% in a web browser. If OS X had a decent terminal emulator and some decent window management (don't get me started on that), I would be able to use it as a workstation. I really can't think of many X applications that I would miss, except perhaps xdvi (fast startup, controlled from command line) and xfig (does things I can't find in any other application, saves to plain text .fig files which can be edited). Might also be useful for the occasional X-based third-party installation program (like sybase and a number of less well-known programs). Would also be useful for running things like matlab or mathematica - you can run them on some remote box via X11, which means you don't need 100 licenses for 100 different machines, just one license for one machine (albeit the *nix licenses are usually more expensive than the Windows or Mac licneses because the vendors expect you to do this sort of thing).

      • xterm solutions (Score:3, Informative)

        by 0x0d0a ( 568518 )
        A few thoughts -- there *have* to be existing ssh clients -- I remember BetterTelnet and similar for classic Mac OS.

        Is it possible to set up an ssh server, then set up an SSH client that's scripted to ssh into the local machine? A bit of a hack, but as long as you aren't opening tons of terminals, it should provide you with a more reasonable environment without a tremendous amount of work on your part.

        Your point about xdvi is well-taken too. Why is xdvi so much faster than gv? Is it *that* much easier to render DVIs than postscript files?
        Second, I'd suggest rxvt over xterm. Rxvt is the end-all be-all of terminals. It's extremely fast (try catting 50 megs of text in a couple terminals and time it -- it'll win), very lightweight (less RAM usage than any other terminal I know of) and has all the features anyone could possibly use. Oh, and it lets you compile out features that you definitely aren't going to use during runtime. Nice bit of software.
        • Why is xdvi so much faster than gv? Is it *that* much easier to render DVIs than postscript files?

          Short answer, yes.

          Long answer

          TeX does positioning, Metafont does contents. An almost joined document is stored as xdvi. DVI was designed from the start for quick, easy and predictable rendering. dvips takes the dvi document and maps it into a somewhat different paradigm, for example postscript supports external information for rendering and postscript documents support all sorts of external modifications and redefinitions that dvi does not. In many ways postscript is much more like TeX code than it is like dvi code.

          The resulting postscript code is not easy to render.

          One way to see the speed difference is to erase metafonts font cache. Then load you dvi document. That is make metafont actually recompute the fonts which is a similar (though slightly more complex process to what postscript has to do every time for every charactor). You will notice a pretty huge drop in dvi rendering speeds.

  • Maybe they pulled all the 15 inch displays because they're going to be used for tablet macs? :)
  • Gone to graveyards, every one. When will they ever learn?

    Since it apparently costs no more to make a 17-inch CRT monitor than a 15, that would make Apple's 15s the same price as a mid-line LCD 15.

    Umh, which do you think would sell better?

  • It's not available! (Score:3, Insightful)

    by beagle ( 99378 ) on Monday December 09, 2002 @12:44PM (#4844829)
    This is nothing new - the 15" Studio LCD has not been available for quite some time. Three comments come to mind:
    - maybe they need them for the G4 iMac
    - maybe they need them for a new tablet Mac
    - this is just one more nail in the coffin of the CRT
  • I work at the campus computer store at UC Berkeley and we haven't been able to order 15" displays from Apple for a while now, maybe 3 months. They're no longer selling them. You may be able to find something left over in the distribution channels but I doubt it since its been so long since they stopped selling them.
  • Bought by young nerds, every one.
    When will they ever learn?
    When will they ever learn?
  • That maybe just maybe, since Apple is due to be releasing a new lineup of machines (remember the announcment that nothing after january would start into OS 9) than they stopped buying more to clear out their stock. perhaps price drops all arround and the 15inch just is being phased out.

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