

Portable Scanner Solutions for Research? 446
Fished asks: "Lately, I'm finding that I need to do a lot of research in Libraries -- remember those? I'm tired of feeding dimes to the copiers, and would like to buy some kind of portable scanner to go with my Powerbook. Unfortunately, I can't seem to find one that will work. Back in the eighties, this were as common as dirt: they were small, four inch wide scanners that you could run over the page. Also, while I've found three portable scanners for PC's (from Antec and Pentax) even if I could somehow get them to work with Mac OS X, they are sheet-fed, which is useless for scanning pages out of books. Does anyone still make the old-fashioned Hand Scanners, and do they make them for Macs?"
HP CapShare (Score:5, Informative)
Logitech (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Logitech (Score:5, Informative)
I have one which I'll gladly sell to you. :-)
That having been said, get a Logitech QuickCam 2000 (or QuickCam Pro). It's USB, it's small, it's a good resolution, it comes with a small desktop tripod. The advantage is that in addition to using it to take pictures of printed matter, you can use it to take pictures of the microfilm reader displays. You can't do that with a scanner. It paid for itself twice-over when I did a research project two years ago. On the downside, however, it doesn't work with Linux (AFAICT) or MacOS.
Use a digital camera. (Score:4, Interesting)
Seriously. My GF has used ours to take pictures of the monitor when 98 locked up while she was writing letters.
A 2MP should probably work just fine, and if you have a laptop with you, just upload them, erase the card and grab another x pages.
Re:Use a digital camera. (Score:4, Interesting)
It is interesting to see that scanner prices have dropped with better and better digicams going on the market. It's portable, you have less resolution lost, and it's faster thanks to firewire.
Re:Use a digital camera - i second this (Score:5, Interesting)
For glossy paper and to avoid annoying the others around you it is best to not use the flash. if you're in a low light situation, get a small tripod and a book stand.
For a very good affordable 2mp camera today i recommend the canon powershot A40 [powershot.com]; search on my simon [mysimon.com] for good prices. Any 2mp camera will probably work for your needs; but why buy a crappy one?
Re:Use a digital camera - i second this (Score:2, Interesting)
Powershot A40 (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Use a digital camera. (Score:2)
I've resisted buying a scanner for a long time due to their bulk and my tendency to have a clutter filled desk. Digital cameras are great for recording tax documents and carbon copies of letters where the gist is more important that a high dpi reproduction of the original.
Just do yourself this favour: don't use the flash! Instead, take the shot from high up with florescent lighting. Close up flash on bright paper is a good way to end up with unreadable images, and reading is fundamental to this project.
Re:Use a digital camera. (Score:2)
I also suggest setting it to high compression and to black and white mode. You will then be able to store thousands of shots on a 128 MB card (or hundreds at 32 or 64). That and turn down the resolution a bit, to about 1.3 MP should be good enough. This might save you from having to lug a heavy laptop along with you.
Re:Use a digital camera. (Score:2)
Make sure it handles B&W (Score:3, Informative)
Some suggestions:
- Get a camera that has a B&W (really greyscale) mode. Some do, some don't. It matters because it makes the files much smaller and you can fit a lot more pages onto the memory card.
- Don't use the USB or even firewire connection to transfer pictures. It's infinitely easier and battery-saving as well to get an adapter (if you have a laptop, a PCMCIA one) that can read the memory card directly; the OS will just treat it like a disk.
- If you can, put a sheet of non-reflecting glass over the page you're photographing. This is what they do when they make microfilm form books. But if you are going to carry around a sheet of glass, you might as well lug a scanner.
Re:Use a digital camera. (Score:3, Interesting)
obviously google can answer this question (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:obviously google can answer this question (Score:2)
Jesus Tits (Score:4, Funny)
What's next? "Ask Slashdot: Getting Drops Off My Cock After Pissing"?
Re:Jesus Tits (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Jesus Tits (Score:4, Funny)
Typical Americans. Spend a billion to develop a pen that will write in space, and the Russians use a pencil.
Spend Millions developing an Electric Penis Dryer(tm) when the rest of the world just uses their pant leg. When will they learn? How many children could have been fed on those development costs?
Think of the children! (not to mention the shocking results of the lab testing on that product!)
Re:Jesus Tits (Score:2, Informative)
http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/spacepen.
Re:Jesus Tits (Score:5, Informative)
A) NASA didn't invent the pen, Fischer did, and sold it to Nasa, and it didn't cost Billions.
B) Pencils are terrible in space, all the little graphite dust gets into the electronics, causing shorts. Not a good idea on a space craft.
NASA never asked Paul C. Fisher to produce a pen. When the astronauts began to fly, like the Russians, they used pencils, but the leads sometimes broke and became a hazard by floating in the [capsule's] atmosphere where there was no gravity. They could float into an eye or nose or cause a short in an electrical device. In addition, both the lead and the wood of the pencil could burn rapidly in the pure oxygen atmosphere. Paul Fisher realized the astronauts needed a safer and more dependable writing instrument, so in July 1965 he developed the pressurized ball pen, with its ink enclosed in a sealed, pressurized ink cartridge. Fisher sent the first samples to Dr. Robert Gilruth, Director of the Houston Space Center. The pens were all metal except for the ink, which had a flash point above 200C. The sample Space Pens were thoroughly tested by NASA. They passed all the tests and have been used ever since on all manned space flights, American and Russian. All research and developement costs were paid by Paul Fisher. No development costs have ever been charged to the government.
Because of the fire in Apollo 1, in which three Astronauts died, NASA required a writing instrument that would not burn in a 100% oxygen atmosphere. It also had to work in the extreme conditions of outer space:
1. In a vacuum. 2. With no gravity. 3. In hot temperatures of +150C in sunlight and also in the cold shadows of space where the temperatures drop to -120C
(NASA tested the pressurized Space Pens at -50C, but because of the residential [sic] heat in the pen it also writes for many minutes in the cold shadows.)
Fisher spent over one million dollars in trying to perfect the ball point pen before he made his first successful pressurized pens in 1965. Samples were immediately sent to Dr. Robert Gilruth, Manager of the Houston Space Center, where they were thoroughly tested and approved for use in Space in September 1965. In December 1967 he sold 400 Fisher Space Pens to NASA for $2.95 each.
Lead pencils were used on all Mercury and Gemini space flights and all Russian space flights prior to 1968. Fisher Space Pens are more dependable than lead pencils and cannot create the hazard of a broken piece of lead floating through the gravity-less atmosphere. http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/spacepen.ht
Re:Jesus Tits (Score:2)
Re:Jesus Tits (Score:3, Informative)
I hate to be an OT stick-in-the-mud, but I've seen this jab quite a bit and I have to respond. Simply put, it's BS. Read about it here. [snopes.com]
Re:Jesus Tits (Score:2)
Re:Jesus Tits (Score:2)
Ouch!
Re:Jesus Tits (Score:3, Interesting)
Cripes.
But to answer your question: I, too, recommend a digital camera. I use a Nikon Coolpix 900 and it focusses just fine on text. I have to steady myself with my elbows, but 95% of the shots are at least legible.
OCR is a good idea.
Me, I just use the camera technique for getting free porn from the library when I go up to the periodical desk, request the latest Playboy, and then go find a carrol that's out of the way so I can start snapping.
Getting the drops off. (Score:2)
Re:Jesus Tits (Score:2)
Then he asked the wrong question... (Score:4, Funny)
I think you should try playing around with different search parameters... Try these is google:
+"handheld scanner" +apple -win32 -windows -linux
+"network scanner" +nessus +linux -ethereal -ettercap
+"linux terminal server project" +openmosix -mosix
+"need for speed" +"jenna jameson" -playstation -ps2
I think if you follow the noticeable pattern above that you will no longer have such a hard time with those nasty good for nothing search engines;)
Handheld scanners!? (Score:5, Insightful)
In short - forget about the handheld scanner idea. They do sell line scanners that read in lines of text at a time if you just need short segments. I suppose you could even take pictures of the pages with the new high megapixel digital cameras.
Re:Handheld scanners!? (Score:2)
Still, I'd suggest a decent digital camera. I use mine for books on occassion and it has always worked just peachy. I never tried OCR with the pictures but it might even work...
Check Pricewatch (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Check Pricewatch (Score:2, Funny)
http://www.peter.com/inline/jimmy.jpeg [peter.com]
Lightweight Flatbeds (Score:5, Interesting)
If you put the scanner at the edge of a table or desk, you can scan pages of books quickly and easily with less distortion than you'd get from a hand-scanner. This may help make up for the slightly less convenient form-factor.
Try the discount/clearance table at your local Office Depot / Staples / Office Supply store. I always see "clearance" scanner there.
I've not actually tried this with my TiBook, so YMMV.
Re:Lightweight Flatbeds (Score:2)
I think Canon makes a full-page flatbed USB scanner that's powered by the USB connection. That would do the trick.
Re:Lightweight Flatbeds (Score:2)
Do people actually use laptops when they aren't plugged in? Most people I know use laptops as portable harddrive/note taking stations- everywhere they need to be used they have acces to a wall plug.
Re:Lightweight Flatbeds (Score:3, Insightful)
OTOH, my son bought a laptop that didn't include a battery.
Re:Lightweight Flatbeds (Score:2)
Re:Lightweight Flatbeds (Score:2)
The SDSU Library [sdsu.edu] has a couple of photocopiers that do just this sort of thing. It works remarkably well.
CanoScan (Score:5, Informative)
aedan
Canon printer/scanner (Score:4, Informative)
Otherwise, according to Apple's own site, Canon's LiDE 30 [apple.com] is the most portable flatbed scanner I can think of with OS X support. Now, a flatbed isn't good for travel, because it's easy to bump around the components and damage it internally. The printer cartridge might be your best bet.
Just bring a real scanner.. (Score:2)
consider a thin flatbed? (Score:4, Informative)
http://consumer.usa.canon.com/scanners/csn1240u
while it is a flatbed, it is very thin and light. and, usb and power are over 1 cord, so no power adapter to carry.
Two words (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Two words (Score:2)
Wafer-Thin Flatbed Scanner (Score:5, Interesting)
Scanning is slow though...I have to agree with others suggesting just using a digital camera of sufficient resolution.
Digital camera +tabletop tripod (Score:3, Informative)
1: dont use the flash (that's why you use a tripod)
2: set the book up at perpendicular as possible to the camera (to get a nice, flat picture)
3: be quiet (turn the sound off of your camera)
4: Dont get caught
Re:Digital camera +tabletop tripod (Score:2)
Myself I hand hold, and use the flash, the end result is quite usable
Re:Digital camera +tabletop tripod (Score:3, Informative)
The old "spy" instructions I've seen for taking surrepetitious photos of documents suggests stacking two columns of books up to the focal distance of the camera was set to, and then suspending the camera between the columns by taping it to a pair of wooden rulers. Arrange a pair of desk lamps between the stacks to dump as much light as possible on the document. Snap, turn page, snap, turn page, repeat until done or caught.
Rather than the book columns (which were easy for a spy to come by without having to carry anything more than a tiny Minox) you could bring an ordinary camera tripod. This is a library, after all. I have a tripod that has a removable center column that works perfectly for copying documents. I pull the center column out the top and reinsert it into the bottom of the tripod's head, hanging the camera down below the tripod head and between the legs. It's a great copy stand, as there are no leg shadows. You still need to provide the light, as a photoflash will not go over well in a typical library.
Re:Digital camera +tabletop tripod (Score:2)
Re:Digital camera +tabletop tripod (Score:2, Funny)
Get a cheap small flatbed scanner like me! (Score:2, Redundant)
It's USB too, so no need for external power. It weighs next to nothing (compared to the laptop, paper and other crap in there) so I tend to keep it with me - often comes in handy...
Digital Camera (Score:2, Redundant)
I used it to "scan" my passport when I needed to get a copy of it to someone in the States once, and then just emailed the "scan" so they could print it out there. Looked better than a fax, and worked better, too.
Re: Scanning passports (Score:2, Funny)
C-Pen - penscanner (Score:2)
This thing is ideal for working with research in a library.
Ciryon
Penscanner - only B/W (Score:2, Interesting)
"I do what the voices in my head tell me to... and they don't like you..."
I've done this (Score:2, Interesting)
The scanner she has is something like this one [canon.com], and I'm sure there are other ones. Pretty cheap too!
Sheet Fed Solution (Score:5, Funny)
Not if you tear out the pages, first.
All that plastic around a scanner.... (Score:3, Funny)
Instantly portable, put whatever you want on it ( a book, your junk, whatever) and let it slide across the stationary laser. If you get good at it, you could even make the rails telescopic for even more portability!
Truth in advertising? (Score:2, Insightful)
Doesn't Apple advertise that their products "just work", and that the operating system "gets out of your way"? [apple.com]
What a load of shit.
Re:Truth in advertising? (Score:2)
Doesn't Apple advertise that their products "just work", and that the operating system "gets out of your way"? [apple.com]
The truth hurts, doesn't it? I guess so, given that the parent was modded down as "Flamebait", when it is merely pointing out the blatant hypocrisy and lies in Apple's marketing campaign.
But go ahead, mod this one down too. I'll just post it again.
Copy Stand (Score:2, Informative)
Try the Casio Freedio. (Score:2, Informative)
C-Pen (Score:5, Informative)
Hey, if this has at all been useful, please feel free to buy [ebay.com] me one! I miss having it around.
Re:C-Pen (Score:2)
Re:C-Pen (Score:2)
It should also be noted that there is a small learning curve. It takes some getting used to making a straight line. You'll also see that it tries it's best to turn frames or boxes around text into characters (like |) and it's sometimes hard to aim for starting and stopping of scanning. Like all OCRs there are occasional mistakes that will need to be corrected, and they occur more frequently if there isn't much contrast (light print, colored paper, colored text, etc). Last, don't even THINK of trying to scan handwriting. Cursive or printing will turn into complete garbage. As I've said, it is a niche market item, but what it does, it does suprisingly well. Now go and buy me one!
Here a couple (Score:4, Informative)
I must admit that there doesn't seem to be much around, but then again this simply from searching Google. And for those of you content with scanning bar code from books, then there are fancy iMac coloured bar-code scanners [posdirect.com].
How LAME! (Score:3, Insightful)
(Modded down as irrelevant/troll/slam on the editors)
Gotta second the Canon USB scanners: (Score:2)
These are by far the best solution for portable scanning. You get a full size bed, excellent quality, decent speed (though not blazing), very quiet operation entirely off USB without any other power source, and yet they're only about the thickness of a laptop. My wife uses hers a lot for her research, it fits very nicely in the side pocket of the laptop bag. Add a reasonably recent version of PaperPort Deluxe, which is one of the most hassle-free scanning and scan management packages around, and you've got everything to create and maintain gobs of scans.
Scanners (Score:3, Insightful)
This might be a good question, "Where did all the hand-held scanners go", but, you can learn about the whole history in a few hours of seraching on the net.
Scanner I'd like to see (Score:2)
It would be great to have one in the living room, mounted on top of a trash can (shredder-style), or even on top of a shredder, to convert s-mail to email.
Of course there are production autofeeder duplex scanners but I keep looking on ebay and the working ones always end up rather expensive.
I might try to mechanically wed two page scanners, and just deal with the two data streams.
IRIS OCR Scanner Pen (Score:4, Informative)
Consumer Reports Reviews Digital Cameras (Score:2)
Portable scanner, huh? (Score:2)
Basically, you're not allowed (Score:5, Informative)
Recently my wife did some geneaology research in Pennsylvania for my mother-in-law. She intended to use her digital camera instead of feeding the copy machines, but all of the libraries, record archives, and courthouses she visited refused to allow her to do so, and even required she sign an agreement stating she was familiar with the rules of the place, all of wihch were about how she could not use scanners, cameras, or other copying mechanisms other than the copy machine provided by the library.
Re:Basically, you're not allowed (Score:3, Informative)
Would it really be that hard to disallow scanners that rub against the surface of the book, and probably flash pictures, since they would probably annoy the other patrons, while still allowing picture-taking and flat-bed scanners (which are no more invasive than cramming the book onto a flat-bed photocopier in the first place)?
Seems to me like they're really hard up for the coins they want you to feed into the photocopier at double or triple what you'd pay at an independent copy store.
Perhaps I might be a of some help (Score:4, Informative)
But now my 2 about this scanner issue. First off, portable scanners are hard to come by. I noticed that both epson and canon do not make such devices.
OS X 10.2 supposedly has TWAIN support built into it. From what I hear you can now scan in Preview.app, which is cool. If you can acquire a portable USB scanner that supports TWAIN I would imagine that it would just "work" in Preview.app.
OS X 10.2 has fantastic device support. Typically, OS X supports just about whatever perhiperal I toss at it, regardless of whether the device ships with a "Mac OS" logo on the box.
If you can find a portable TWAIN USB scanner, I'd just purchase it. Don't worry if the device comes with Mac drivers or not. If it doesn't work, return it (so make sure you purchase something from a large computer store). However I'm betting it will work.
C-Pen 'Pen' Scanner (Score:2, Informative)
Google Search: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q="pen+scanner
Try a C-Pen (Score:3, Interesting)
My g/f used one of these during the last 2 years of her degree, and swears by it - it's so discrete you can use it anywhere, including libraries and even book-shops!
Re:Digital Camera + OCR (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Digital Camera + OCR (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Digital Camera + OCR - here you go (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Digital Camera + OCR (Score:3, Informative)
I Don't think it's that bad. I haven't tried it myself, but some other Project Gutenberg [promo.net] contributors have reported reasonable success with this. The depth-of-field of most flatbed scanners is very narrow, while the DOF of a digital camera is typically gargantuan. This means that fragile books can be photographed without having to flatten them out (and damage them) and without needing an expensive planetary or prism scanner. The OCR side of things would most likely be taken in stride by (shameless plug) Abbyy Finereader. Basically Finereader will reliably OCR all kinds of wacky stuff, and beats the piss out of all the others, hands down.
Re:Digital Camera + OCR (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Small Flatbed (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Copyright (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Copyright (Score:4, Informative)
Here's one gripe I have about slashdot. (Score:2, Offtopic)
Here's some more shit that bugs me:
The RIAA controls the music industry, not the MPAA.
The MPAA controls the movie industry, not the RIAA.
Hilary Rosen doesn't care too much if you steal a copy of "Moulin Rouge". Jack Valenti doesn't care too much if you steal a copy of NSync's "No Strings Attached". (see above.)
Copyright law is not trademark law. Trademark law is not copyright law.
Neither have anything to do with patent law.
Bills on the floor in the House or Senate are not laws yet. They do not affect you yet. They may never affect you.
I'm sure there's more, but that's all I could think of on short notice.
- A.P.
Re:Here's one gripe I have about slashdot. (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Here's one gripe I have about slashdot. (Score:3, Funny)
Digital Millenium Copyright Police
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Re:Here's one gripe I have about slashdot. (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Here's one gripe I have about slashdot. (Score:2)
Also, while bills are the floor of the House or Senate are not laws yet, we need to be just as worried about them becoming laws as if they were laws because they would not be there if someone was not paying for them to be there.
As for the MPAA and RIAA being seperate, true but they are both having the same bad effect on our rights and both are buying off the same groups of crooked congressmen and pushing and abusing the same bad laws.
Re:Here's one gripe I have about slashdot. (Score:2)
Re:Here's one gripe I have about slashdot. (Score:2)
Re:Here's one gripe I have about slashdot. (Score:2)
Some of this is true, but you have to ask yourself this: "When is the right time to speak up about them?"
Waiting until after a bill becomes a law is clearly the wrong time to start protesting it. "Hey, there's a bad bill that's being debated - let's wait until after it becomes law before we tell people we don't want it!"
To quote "Saturday the 14th", it's like "bolting the barn door after the horses have eaten your children."
Re:They didn't work... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:They didn't work... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:They didn't work... (Score:2)
Re:Pen scanner (Score:2)
It's called C-Pen.
Ciryon
Re:I know 499 people have suggested this, (Score:4, Funny)
Re:I'll have bubble gum pink please. (Score:2)