QuickTime 6 Is Out 443
flamingnight writes "If you go to Apple's QuickTime page, you'll notice that QuickTime 6 has been released. No mention of QT 5 anywhere on the site. Features include the long-awaited MPEG-4 support, 50+ input/output formats, and plenty of A/V codecs and video effects (see Apple - QuickTime - Specifications for a full list)." It's available for Mac OS 8/9, Mac OS X 10.1.3+, and Windows 98/2000/NT/Me/XP (does anyone actually use Windows Me?). Just remember that your QuickTime 5 key won't work with QuickTime 6.
Just great... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Just great... (Score:5, Insightful)
All pale compared to the Retarded User Interface Competition, where everyone wins, except the user.
Interesting TIming (Score:2)
Are they trying to one-up the Corona announcement from MS?
Re:Interesting TIming (Score:2, Funny)
lol (Score:2)
Re:Interesting TIming (Score:2)
Great... (Score:2)
Re:Great... (Score:3, Informative)
things.
2) Install WINE and use it to play other stuff encoded in the latest and greatest proprietary formats that only the real QuickTime understands.
Also, you could substitute mplayer for xine and get the same success rate.
Here is your solution... (Score:2)
Simple [kde.org]. Once you do this, you will never have to worry about Quicktime ever when using a KDE desktop on your UNIX system.
Re:Great... (Score:2)
Have a look at section 4 [sourceforge.net] of the Xine Faq about where to put them, and exactly which files your after.
How about this from our friends at Linux Liberation Front, the win32codecs (half-way-down(win32-codecs-1.0-1plf.i586)) [zarb.org] all packed up for 'ya.
Enjoy!
Heres the complete guide to DivX movies (Score:2, Informative)
http://www.versiontracker.com/moreinfo.fcgi
http://doctor.3ivx.com/download.html
http://www.3ivx.com/download/macos_4_pr1.html
http://www.versiontracker.com/moreinfo.fcgi?id=
MOD PARENT UP (Score:2)
Informative, underrated.
I was a bit annoyed by QT6 since it couldn't read my DivX files anymore, now it can.
Hee Hee... So much for MS's Thunder (Score:5, Insightful)
MS Talks... Apple ships.
Nice job Apple (for once.)
Re:Hee Hee... So much for MS's Thunder (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Hee Hee... So much for MS's Thunder (Score:3, Informative)
And still no Linux port (Score:2)
Re:And still no Linux port (Score:2)
Still no mpeg-2 import... (Score:2)
Re:Still no mpeg-2 import... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Still no mpeg-2 import... (Score:2)
Or I could just be making stuff up.
Crossover? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Crossover? (Score:3, Informative)
crossover/bin/wine.sh QuickTimeInstaller.exe
does anyone actually use Windows Me? (Score:3, Informative)
Yes, a whole bunch of people, but they think they are running Windows 2000. I've had to break the bad news to four people so far when I helped them fix their computers. Great MS marketing. Millenium? 2000? whats the difference.
No Nags ever again (Score:5, Informative)
So, set your clock forward about twenty years (make sure you close any meeting reminder software first) and then launch QT. Tell it "Later" and then set your clock back. Haven't tested this with QT6, but it worked with 5.
Re:No Nags ever again (Score:2, Funny)
When doing Y2K testing here at work, someone else in the dept set his clock forward a couple months (into 2000) to see just what would happen.
He forgot to close his email program before doing this.
The email system (client) is set to automatically delete emails over 90 days old. The look on his face as his mailbox items - one by one - disappeared (as he was watching!) was priceless.
Re:Buy it (Score:2)
Re:Buy it (Score:2)
2GB files? (Score:2)
Re:2GB files? (Score:3, Funny)
GEEZ, that's getting a little out of hand. pun (un)intended.
Re:2GB files? (Score:2)
A different issue is that Quicktime 5's DV stream reader also does not recognize data beyond 2GB.
Apple needs to wake up and start using 64-bit file APIs. I know they can do this because QT5 does support MOV files larger than 2GB!
(I need DV support because my own software reads/writes raw DV streams, and I need large AVIs because uncompressed AVI is my standard video format; uncompressed Quicktime is much less common in my work)
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Re:2GB files? (Score:2)
My primary goal is to become independent of proprietary multimedia libraries. I like using uncompressed AVIs because I know enough about the file format to write them without help from any external libraries. If worst comes to worst I could probably find a way to write uncompressed MOVs myself too. (I know there is a free Quicktime library; but is the file format actually documented anywhere?)
Text Import/Export (Score:2)
bad news for Linux? (Score:3, Funny)
Basically, Linux has caught on with people who, due to constant exposure to Windows, hate Microsoft. These people happen to be largely male, largely affluent, and largely large (ha ha).
These days, if you're going non-Windows, you don't have many choices. Basically, it's down to Linux and Mac. And when these anti-MS geeks choose their OS, they will choose the one of these that best suits their needs. QuickTime 6 will give them the ability to watch their multi-gig porn collections and pirated DIVX files, without all of the messy command line mucking about that is necessary for multimedia under Linux.
As a Linux user, I wish Apple hadn't released this. Or at the very least, that Slashdot (a pro-Linux site) hadn't reported it. *sigh*
Re:bad news for Linux? (Score:5, Funny)
what are you talking about?
mplayer -aop list=resample:fout=2 -vo xv -dvd 1 -gui is quite straightforward and every new user coming from a GUI environment would find it quite easily. It's interactive, it's intuitive, it's pretty and it's fun. Like a gui.
OK, OK, i admit, I've actually grown a few extra fingers
Anti Slashdot Effect (Score:4, Funny)
Bah! (Score:3, Interesting)
Would it have been SOOOOO hard to build in a Vorbis decoder from xiph.org's BSD-licensed reference decorder? HUH? WOULD IT?
*sigh*... Oh, well. Perhaps some day they'll give in and build in Vorbis support.
Any Mac-aware types care to guess on if/when this'll happen?
Re:Bah! (Score:2)
You forgot to add "for the 150 people who read slashdot that actually use it?" :)
But seriously. When you have a deadline and it costs to implement things you often one of those horrible things called a "cost/benifit analysis".
I'm willing to bet that for all the cost in time and effort it would take to impelement it, they probably couldn't see why there would be any decent return.
I hate to be a cynic but outside slashdot very very few people have actually heard of Ogg Vobis, let alone care.
Don't believe me? Go sample 20 random people in the street. You'll be lucky if you find one person that knows what you're talking about. But well over three quarters of them will have heard of mp3.
Re:Bah! (Score:2)
Also, while the return is not immediate, including Vorbis would be considered an "investment" in the cost/benefit analysis. Perhaps they're cynical on Vorbis' future, but again, I'd really love to know just how horribly hard it would have been to create a Vorbis plugin and ship it with QT6. Yes, it costs money, but my *guess* is that it couldn't be THAT hard, and while it's not guaranteed they'll get much return it's probably a tiny cost. I may be wrong here, however. Anyone have any credible estimates?
Thirdly, you'll notice that Apple includes such fantastically popular codecs as:
ALaw 2:1
IMA 4:1
MACE 3:1
MACE 6:1
MS ADPCM (decode only)
QDesign Music 2
Qualcomm PureVoice
ULaw 2:1
You can't tell me that Joe Sixpack has heard of THESE either, yet they're included!
Again, in my frustration, I was overly-sarcastic - what really IS the cost to Apple here? Any developers or (clueful) managers have some realistic estimates?
Re:Bah! (Score:2)
MACE 6:1
Wow, I remember reading about MACE back in Inside Macintosh, Vol IV. Back when the System 7 sound manager was the coolest thing since sliced bread...
Re:Bah! (Score:5, Informative)
http://sourceforge.net/projects/qtcomponents [sourceforge.net] ?
Re:Bah! (Score:4, Informative)
No, it would be easy. Apple publish [apple.com] the full QuickTime APIs. Go to it.
Re:Bah! (Score:2)
Re:Bah! (Score:2)
Take a look at this list [iastate.edu]. Okay it refers to an earlier version of QuickTime, but of the 22 video codecs, 18 are not invented by Apple. Most are open standards (JPEG, RGB, GIF, MPEG), one is even a Microsoft standard.
NIH? I don't think so.
Re:Bah! (Score:2)
O. G. G. (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:O. G. G. (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:O. G. G. (Score:2)
While I have to disagree with this strategy, it's better than the grim possibility that they don't EVER plan to support it.
Re:O. G. G. (Score:2)
But if they ever make one with a mic, I'll be getting it, job or no job, and then I'll have a child, and something to name [slashdot.org].
FCP users & QT6 (Score:2, Interesting)
I would like to be able to use the free parts of QT6 (Downloading trailers for one), but still be able to use FCP at full QT5Pro strength. If anyone out there has already done this, please post your experience. Thanks in advance!
where she stops, nobody knows (Score:2)
I swear, with QT 3.0 I could play ANYTHING. Then with 4.0, a bunch of files just wouldn't play anymore, then with 5.0, a bunch more broke, and pretty much every new file coming out was in some bastardized version of DivX that either didn't work at all or had no audio, or had audio but no video, and I downloaded every codex imaginable, DivX, 3ivX, and every media-cleaner program, converter, translator, set of video tools, and nothing fucking fixed it - and nobody could offer a coherent explanation as to why.
So should I install QT 6 - and watch another round of the player helplessly trying to download codecs that aren't there, never were there, and never will be there, while the player shows a white screen? Or should I go back to QT 3.0, where I can simply watch everything. (except the DivX crap).
Is there any surreptitious DRM crap in QT6? (Score:2)
No love for recent QT 5 Pro License Buyers (Score:2)
Quicktime Broadcaster Also Out (Score:2)
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/broadca
ogg vorbis (Score:2)
Re:ogg vorbis (Score:2, Informative)
Anyway, it includes AAC which produces noticebly better sound at smaller file sizes than Vorbis. (It's not free, but the point of QuickTime is that it provides affordable access to some great, commercial codecs; it's great technology, and it's licensed from Dolby, not those MPEG-4 patent owners.)
Re:ogg vorbis (Score:3, Informative)
They already have [sourceforge.net].
MPEG-4 patent licensing out (Score:4, Informative)
Re; MPEG-4 patent licensing (Score:4, Informative)
I wonder if history will remember that it was Apple (part of the patent group) that fought the proposal to charge a fee to the end user for every second of every stream viewed? And won.
Thank-you Apple. Really.
Quicktime in Linux and such... (Score:3, Insightful)
Actually, quicktime seems to work quite well on linux via, for example, mplayer [mplayerhq.hu], with the sole exception that I've run into of SVQ3 (Sorenson, of course). SVQ1 is even working now, with optimized code (also appearing in FFMPEG [sourceforge.net]) based on the reverse engineering done by the folks working on Xine [slashdot.org]. Oddly enough, the specifications page for QT6 mentiones SVQ2 and SVQ3, but implies that it DOESN'T support SVQ1...
If the release of QT6 means that MPEG4 will become the "default" codec for QuickTime movies as time goes on (as some posts, As well as several of the QuickTime pages at Apple [apple.com], are hinting), the "quicktime barrier" to video on linux will all but disappear, since as far as I can tell just about every variant of MPEG4 works on Linux in some form or another. I suppose this depends on how the dispute between Apple and Sorenson goes...(anybody heard anything about that lately?) and how long it takes someone to work out how to interpret the type of what I assume are "pointer files" or something of the sort on the previously mentioned apple Quicktime Mpeg4 page (mplayer seems to have trouble decoding them...)
Of course, somewhere in here I should insert the obligatory comment about Ogg Theora [theora.org] and how I wish they'd hurry up and get the mailing lists working and get a working prototype that I can test, but as I can't think of what to say, I won't....
What's better, QT 5 Pro or QT 6? (Score:2)
Linux can now stream live video to Win/Mac clients (Score:3, Informative)
Oh whoopeee... (Score:2, Insightful)
* It still puts an icon on the desktop and quicklaunch bar without asking
* It now puts a system tray icon also without asking, did it use to do that?
* It still always starts up with the damn 'Register now' dialog. Don't they make enough money via making it one of the standards out there and virtually forcing any company serious about video on the web to purchase QTPro in order to create compatible video? (I have no problem with that as a way of making money, I completely agree that if you're creating content for the web using their system, then, yup, pay for it, their prices are reasonable... but surely I shouldn't be bugged about the fact that this product exists when I have no desire to ever create a
* Still can't play fullscreen unless you pay for it
* I still don't see why it's so damn loved... as cludgy as the interface of WMP is, at least I can easily create playlists by dragging my files into the player, can always play fullscreen and I don't have to put up with any 'register now' pretty please' dialogues.
Of course I _have_ to have QT on my system if I want to watch all the latest movie trailers in nice quality, but their software isn't nice, it's intrusive, and I don't like that.
(Of course it has nothing on Realplayer... man I dislike that!)
Yes (Score:2)
Came on my laptop, a ToeCheezba Satellite, runs tolerably well, and is absolutely not worth the aggravation to upgrade.
I'd sooner invest in a dot com than try to install my RH7.2 distro on here.
Since you asked.
Re:Yes (Score:2)
Why this is good news... (Score:2)
Real and Apple have commited to MPEG-4, the specification is open and there is no implementation fee (only a fee for non-free streams, ie free streams are not charged!)
http://news.com.com/2100-1023-943990.html?tag=f
This means that the new LOTR trailer and all future trailers can be viewed w/o proprietary codecs. Now all we need is for someone to deliver a MPEG-4 codec for Linux. I would help writing one, but I have no prior video experience.
We need to rally behind MPEG-4 and bring it to our platform. Else we'll see Microsoft stealing the market with a DRM based proprietary WMP codecs!!
Is there anyone working on MPEG-4 codecs for Linux besides these guys ?
Dumb Question (Score:2)
here's the EULA (Score:2, Redundant)
Apple is now allowing downloads without entering an email address. They explicitly set the email address field off in a seperate box from the OS choice. The "Download" button is centered below both of them and can clearly be used with the email field empty. And the email field is under the heading "Subscribe to Newsletters". Very nice. How's that for privacy ? The two subscriptions checkboxes are even off by default.
The EULA is standard boilerplate for Apple. It has all their usual media, disclaimer of warranty and tranfer of license clauses (You are permitted to sell your used Apple software). They also disclaim any responsibility for third-party websites. Lastly, they note that the MPEG-2 components are licensed solely for consumer use and not for " ENCODING VIDEO INFORMATION FOR PACKAGED MEDIA" (whatever packaged media really means), and then gives contact info for MPEG LA, LLC for other licensing arrangements (no URL). The Pro EULA may differ.
Not bad. It says absolutely nothing about user created content. Since the free version doesn't allow much creation, the Pro version may again have a different license.
Text of EULA follows.
Where's Ogg? (Score:2)
Re:Key won't work (Score:3, Funny)
There was no Quicktime 5. All of you must be remembering wrong. There is only Quicktime 6.
Quicktime 5 was retracted due to faulty research.. (Score:4, Funny)
Older releases _are_ still available.. (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Key won't work (Score:5, Funny)
wow this is a new low, slashdotters not only dont read the linked material they also refuse to read the three sentences that are describing the story.
Re:Key won't work (Score:5, Insightful)
More Info: http://www.apple.com/quicktime/upgrade/
I don't know why they don't give Pro away on new desktops. You drop $1500 on a powermac and they want $30 more?
Re:Key won't work (Score:3)
G4 tower 1,600 [apple.com]
iBook 1,200 [apple.com]
G4 iMac 1,400 [apple.com]
eMac 1,100 [apple.com]
And all of those computers are quite capable machines.
Re:Key won't work (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Key won't work (Score:2)
Re:Key won't work (Score:5, Informative)
Seriously? No, it didn't, because the version you paid for didn't include MPEG 4.
Re:Key won't work (Score:2)
Re:Does anyone actually use windows ME? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Does anyone actually use windows ME? (Score:2, Funny)
whap whap...
Re:Why is QuickTime still around? (Score:2, Insightful)
Maybe you're just an old-skool apple basher who is deserately clinging onto any outdated viewpoint you can in order to convince your friends that you made a good computer purchasing decision.
Re:WinME (Score:2)
Windows ME, more than anything else, is just Windows 98 Third Edition + a little movie maker program for fun.
IMHO, better than 98, worse than 2000, and XP, well, I'm not gonna touch XP w/ a 100000' pole yet.
Re:WinME (Score:2)
Re:WinME (Score:2)
Never crashes (Score:2)
I have WinMe running some dynamic DNS software, Netscape and telnet once in a while. It does not crash. Again, it does not crash. It's been running for a few weeks, the last time it restarted was when my power went out and my UPS ran out.
By itself, Windows never crashes. It just can't handle running programs!
Re:Never crashes (Score:2)
Re:Never crashes (Score:2)
Actually, I *expect* such stable behaviour from any system, and thump on it until it gives in no matter what the OS is!
Re:Never crashes -- ditto, but I used a club on it (Score:2)
But... *none* of my WinBoxen crash
Now, that said... I also don't install stuff that gets such horrible user reviews as QT5 did over on
Re:Just One Security Flaw (Score:2)
Re:WinME (Score:2)
By saying that I boot ME every few months means that I only use ME every few months. My P233 with ME dual boots FreeBSD. I can't get > 2 hours of uptime out of ME, but I'm usually beating the crap out of it and running it on slow hardware. It's everything bad about 98 with some beta stuff from XP. Scenario: I needed a Windoze box for infrequent use. Win95 won't support USB. Win98 has issues with my NIC. ME conquers both, and gives me the benefit of the best games of the three. Win2K or XP? Too bulky to run on my box.
Re:ME (Score:2)
Re:ME - OS 8.6, yes! (Score:2)
Strangely enough, yes. Mac OS 8.6 was BULLETPROOF. I remember running an ALPHA version of ASIP 6.0 on 8.6 for several months without a reboot. I've also had production machines that have gone well over a year 8.6 w/o anything bad happening to them.
Compared to the bloat and (early) instability of OS 9, OS 8.6 made them lean, mean, classic Mac OS machines. Really the only reason not to use that as a reference release would be if you were short on RAM.
I use OS 8 you fat... (Score:2)
But For the longest time I was running 8.5 (*NOT* 8.6, 8.5!) simply becuase I never had to reboot. If it isn't broke, don't fix it! (however when I wanted some more applscript support and usb I had to upgrade to 8.6)
P.S.- not only does that machine still boot into 8.6 and linuxppc, but it also boots into 7.6! Why? I have some old sound apps that only run under it. So be it.
Heck, if I want to use my powermac as a glorified Apple ][gs (running bernie ][ the rescue!) I can do that too! I'm crazy!(plus it also lets me play NEUROMANCER)
Re:Apple is strange... (Score:2)
Yup. Right after they released the new iBooks a couple months ago, MacZone had tons of the discontinued iBook 500 models for sale. In fact, the most recent MacZone I got still had them. I would imagine that other resellers, like PowerMax, do the same thing.
Re:off topic (Score:2)
Re:off topic (Score:2)
The trailer is basically just a flyby of the space station. Which looks cool. It's moody and atmospheric (or the lack thereof). The big deal is the three names shown. Cameron, Soderberg (drunk, fix later), Clooney. This should be well marketed, and has a chance of being good.
The website is nothing. Just the trailer and a "register for updates" popup. I gave them my spamtrap address at yahoo.
And we can't say this enough people, read Stanislaw Lem ! Anyone in a tech field will appreciate "The Cyberiad", and anyone reading at or above their grade level will appreciate anything he wrote.
Re:VideoLAN and QT6? (Score:3, Informative)