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MSIE 5.2 for Mac OS X Released 94

Posted by pudge from the goes-down-faster-and-smoother-with-less-crashy-aftertaste dept.
Jarrett writes "MSIE 5.2 now supports Quartz text smoothing and a slew of other reliability/security [hehe] improvements on Mac OS X. Its performance is noticably better, it seems to end the spinning beach ball problems, and is stable. It's available on Microsoft's Mactopia site" Posted With Mozilla(tm) on Mac OS X.
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MSIE 5.2 for Mac OS X Released

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  • I read about the new release at Mac Minute [macminute.com] and quickly get to /. to report the news, when the news about the update was just posted. Now's that's instant gratification!
    • Damn do I feel special.
      I was complaining [slashdot.org] about this crappy update hours before it was posted on slashdot!

      (complaining because the drag-and-drop install method seems to have gone out of style, and because it sets your homepage to msn, and because i'm real bitter at microsoft for other recent mac fuckups.)

      I still havn't installed it though, but if it fixes the spinning-beachball problem I may just break down and go for it.
      • So far, I'm not thrilled with it.

        The anti-aliasing has gotten worse rather than better. Fonts now look fuzzier than they did with 5.1

        Yes, it does set MSN as the home page, but changing the home page is an easy thing to do.

        I think I will try it out for a couple weeks before I pass judgement.

  • IE 5.2 codebase (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Is this a branch of the IE 5.0 codebase or does it incorporate the changes since IE 6?
    • I am using it right now. My guess is that it's still IE 5.0 codebase. Not really much is changed. I clicked on one of my bookmarks at the top only to find, that it still pulls down a menu occasionally, rather then going to the site of the bookmark.

      The quartz rendering is nice, but I havn't noticed many other improvements.

      • Re:IE 5.2 codebase (Score:3, Interesting)

        by foniksonik ( 573572 )
        Yeah quartz rendering is basically one line of code in OS X 10.1.5 which is why the makers of Silk could do it globally for all carbon apps via a preference pane with more options than any app I've seen so far. Obviously not a huge 'feature' in an app if a freeware version which is better is available before any of the apps which take advantage of it are even out. Just a new Apple API.

        IE 5.2 still lags way behind Mozilla on rendering /. pages with a significant number of posts. May have something to do with a lack of pipelining for http 1.1 .

        No tabs. I hate opeing a new freakin' window for every link that catches my eye and Mozilla also renders tabs in the background instead of throwing up a half-complete page in a new window I may be only marginally interested in to begin with. Plus pop-up/under control... sooo nice.

        Mozilla still doesn't work with bad javascript, more of a feature than a bug though... whereas IE will render about any version of half-assed code you want to throw at it as long as you intended it to be a drop down menu. Mozilla also doesn't support M$ inline frames or iframes or any of the other M$ created tags or CSS stuff they created because they didn't want to take the time to make ASP compliant.

        well that's the rant I suppose.

        • >Mozilla also doesn't support M$ inline frames or iframes or any of the other M$ created tags or CSS stuff they created because they didn't want to take the time to make ASP compliant.

          hm. thats funny. the w3c html 4.1 standard includes iframes right here [w3.org] [w3c.org]

          heaven forbid microsoft implement something useful or good.

        • Re:IE 5.2 codebase (Score:3, Interesting)

          by lysurgon ( 126252 )
          Mozilla still doesn't work with bad javascript, more of a feature than a bug though...

          Actually this causes me all sorts of problems. I agree with you that the average browsing experience of mozilla blows MSIE out of the water, and I use it for all work-related tasks and such.

          However, many important web portals I use to pay my bills (citibank, spring, verizon and 2 student loan companies) often use heavily crufted javascript. As a result, when I want to 'conduct business' online, I have to fire up IE. It just feels nasty. Any suggestions?

          • However, many important web portals I use to pay my bills (citibank, spring, verizon and 2 student loan companies) often use heavily crufted javascript. As a result, when I want to 'conduct business' online, I have to fire up IE. It just feels nasty. Any suggestions?

            Buy a box of envelopes and some stamps?

            That's what I do. Then again, I don't place a lot of stock in trusting my money to technology. Hell, I still won't get direct deposit for my paychecks.

            Back on topic, I'm posting this with Mozilla. In the rare case that a site won't work with it, it will work with Omniweb.

            IE is only on the home machine for my girlfriend, and on the work machine for the crappy web pages Filemaker Pro puts out.

            --saint
      • Yeah - I get that happening too.

        "that it still pulls down a menu occasionally, rather then going to the site ..."
  • I swear I found that Entourage is faster. Not sure why but the IE update made it very noticeable. As far as IE is concerned I haven't found anything to it. Mine was always rock solid and Silk already handled the smoothing.
  • to msn.com. Jackasses...

    I've been looking at all the other browsers for OS X and they're getting really close. I really want to have one less M$ product on my beloved iBook. As good as the Mactopia group's software is, it's still Microsoft and I don't like the way they do business period. I look forward to getting rid of the last of it...
    • Get the new testing version of Mozilla. 1.01a I believe. Quartz rendering, and it's FAST, and very stable. Never had it crash once, looks great. I've stopped using Chimera altogether, it's so fast and stable.

      Still have IE for the few sites that require it, but I can't remember the last time I used it.

  • IE and Microsoft bugs persist (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Slur ( 61510 ) on Tuesday June 18, 2002 @12:41AM (#3720380) Homepage Journal
    Looks like the Javascript Prompt bug persists. If you're using any version of IE5 for MacOSX put this in the address-line and see the bug of which I speak:

    javascript:x=prompt("This Text Should Appear")

    Explorer is getting about one bullet-item per-month upgrade, just to keep us hoping. Meanwhile several browsers are poised to overtake Explorer in standards-compliance and standards-implementation, and have already overtaken Explorer in features we like, like disabling ad banners and popups.

    The fact that IE 5.2 sets the Home Page to MSN is a sure sign that MicroSoft can't let go of its old nasty little indulgences. As if switching the whole west coast to MSN didn't get our attention.
    • Explorer is getting about one bullet-item per-month upgrade, just to keep us hoping. Meanwhile several browsers are poised to overtake Explorer in standards-compliance and standards-implementation, and have already overtaken Explorer in features we like, like disabling ad banners and popups.

      I _wish_ we were getting one bullet-item per-month upgrade. Hasn't even really been that good. I think we've been misled as to the size and resources of the Mac development team at MS. It looks like maybe they have one part-time programmer working on IE and a couple others maintaining Office X.

      Given the bounds that MSN Messenger 3.0 recently made, they must have ten or twenty programmers working on that
      • Unfortunately, MSN Messenger 3.0 is a sad excuse for an IM client due to one serious bug (at least for this iBook user). If your machine sleeps then Messenger doesn't log you out, or anything. When the machine awakens Messenger is in a bad state where very little works. Can't change state. It doesn't know you aren't still logged in, etc.

        Fire.app gets around this by logging out on sleep and logging back in on an awaken action. It's hard to believe MS hasn't dealt with this yet.

        Bill
    • The fact that IE 5.2 sets the Home Page to MSN is a sure sign that MicroSoft can't let go of its old nasty little indulgences.

      Sure, it`s a little nasty and everything, but is it really a problem? I mean, Microsoft delivers currently the best allround browser for the Mac, and it`s free.

      Setting msn.com as the default homepage is something I can live with as long as IE is still free and being updated, and it`s very easy to change (even for Mac-people :p ).

      • No its not, Mozilla is better than IE on any platform. Show me a site that dosen't snif the UAGENT/jscript browser string that displays incorrectly in Moz but not IE, and show me IE do tabs/popup killing/cookie control/image control/password control/form control at even 1/10th Moz's level and you have a case.

        Since none of that is happening, IE is the underdog in everything except marketshare.
        • Agreed. And MSIE only has market share on the Mac because of it being bundled (there's that word again ...) with OS X and OS 9 for the past few years. I'm quite hopeful that a different browser will debut on OS X v10.2, though I'm not entirely sure which that would be. Chimera is quite nice as an "in development" Cocoa native Gecko browser. Of course Moz is what I use 99.9% of the time ... Of course, there's OmniWeb and quite a few others. I actually never use IE anymore ... if a site sniffs the USER_AGENT string and won't let me in, fine - I won't try any harder.

          As a web developer, I can say with authority that sites restricting to IE only (or for heaven's sake, NS4+IE) are doing so out of sheer laziness or lack of skill. With the company I work for, cross-browser/platform compatibility is not an option, the client pays for it and gets it regardless of the size of the project. We try very hard not to release pages of any kind that are not good 'Netizens.

          Ah, well ... my rant's over :) Back to work!
        • I am sorry, but currently I don't see Mozilla having any significant advantages over IE. Internet Explorer is faster than Mozilla, at least on my machine and the interface is better. The Mozilla versions I have tried, and it's not few, tends to crash more frequently than IE.

          However, what is more important is that most sites (which I'm sorry to say are made for IE for Windows in mind) are better handled in IE for Mac.

          Another thing I don't like with Mozilla is that it doesn't support the Windows Media Plugin. Yeah, I know it sucks, but I stumble across Windows Media all the time, and it's nice to have the option to see it.

          Other than that, I don't like how slow Mozilla is to start up, and I certainly don't like how it's trying to be everything, in addition to a web browser (Mail, News etc.). Why can't they just concentrate on making the best possible browser - and only that(!) - instead?

          Anyway, I really hope Mozilla will pick up soon, and Chimera really shows some promise. I'll keep downloading new versions along the way, and when I find anything better than IE I'll change on a heart-beat!

          • Honestly, what site other than passport and UAGENT sniffing sites don't render correctly? I haven't seen one, perhaps you can enlighten me.

            WMP plugin isn't something I use, so YMMV. If you don't like the startup time try 1.1a it got alot faster once they stoped working on 'other things'.

            All of the features I listed in the other are advantages.

            You can change the UI to have pink flamingos and roses and rolex watches if you so wish, it's what skins are for. It's silly to complain about a skinable application looking odd.

            I have not seen mozilla crash since (on any platform/os) 0.9.9, if you do, are you using a feedback enabled build? Are you sending the feedback? Thats the only way your specific problem can be fixed.

            In the end, I urge you to give 1.1a a try, I can hardly stand to use IE anymore after using Mozilla as my primary browser for several months. The interface for IE is just too clunky, and I can reliably cause it to crash with a little bit of creative JS scripting (which happens to be used on ezboard.com ...). And to be honest, I haven't noticed a single mis-rendered site since I changed my UAGENT to MSIE, a cheap hack, but I needed to for a site I regular (it rendered fine with it set, which rather annoyed me, I don't visit the site as often any more..)

      • I installed it and as soon as I took a look at it's MSN default, it went off the task bar. Moz 1.0 does just fine on my Mac and let's *me* control it, not the other way around.

  • best alternative. (Score:4, Informative)

    by doooras ( 543177 ) on Tuesday June 18, 2002 @12:58AM (#3720427)
    OmniWeb [omnigroup.com] is the browser that finally let me quit using IE. Mozilla, in its latest incarnations, is great but it still has little things that bug me. O.W. 4eva, yo.

  • Tried it for 10 minutes. (Score:3, Informative)

    by Alex Thorpe ( 575736 ) <alphax AT mac DOT com> on Tuesday June 18, 2002 @01:05AM (#3720446) Homepage
    It looks better than it did, and has fewer rendering problems, but it still seemed dog slow(compared to OmniWeb, Mozilla, AND IE for 9.x). Also, I quickly found a page that didn't load more than a third of the way, and needed a Reload to get the rest of it. I'll keep it, but it's not going on my dock. I've got two other browsers there already.
    • One other note on IE installation. Since the installer replaced the older version of IE that came with MacOS X, it seems to have inherited the permissions of the older version. That is, it's owned by the system, and I can't get rid of it now without enabling root access. Almost seems like Microsoft is going for the "It's part of the OS" argument again. ;-)
  • Since this article is only getting replies about how you should be using an alternate browser, we should have a shameless plug for Chimera, which gives you the great rendering engine and standards complicance of the Gecko engine in a real Cocoa application (with a Mach-O backend for great speed). It's only at version 0.3, but is already usable as an everyday browser, and the download size is down to 6747 KB. Check out the:
  • This update doesn`t really provide anything significant. All I can see it does is add Quartz Text Smoothing, which is nice, but I had the same thing with Silk already. And talking about security improvements; those were already done in 5.1.4...

    Anyway, I expect IE 6.0 to be out pretty soon now, as reported by thinksecret.com. Maybe MWNY? We need faster rendering, up to par with IE for Windows, and better certificate handling.

    Other than that, IE is still the only real all-round browser alternative for the Mac!

  • Won't Install (Score:3, Funny)

    by pudge ( 3605 ) <{ten.egdup} {ta} {todhsals}> on Tuesday June 18, 2002 @06:53AM (#3721088) Homepage Journal
    MSIE 5.2 won't install without quitting my running apps.

    So, it won't be installed for some time.

    Maybe Microsoft is just jealous, wants to bring everyone else down to its OS level.
    • They changed my browser preferences, without asking me, back to MSIE as my default browser. Jerkfaces.
      • Jeez, and now I see they put an installer log file in my document root!

        Is there no end to the madness?

      • Re:MICROSOFT SUCKS (Score:4, Informative)

        by gbooker ( 60148 ) on Tuesday June 18, 2002 @09:09AM (#3721637) Homepage Journal
        I used to have IE to the point where it would set itself as the default browser every time it was launched. I had to search for every file that was changed that day to find where this preference is stored since MS didn't consider that I might want to use another browser. Here is the fix:

        Edit the file Library/Preferences/com.apple.internetconfig.plist

        Look for the key: IEAsDefaultNoBotherPrefKey, and delete the entire key segment. Save it (keep a backup in case). Change the default browser in Internet in System Prefs and then launch IE. When it asks if you want IE to be your default browser, hit no.

        Now, why MS had to put this in the internet config plist is beyond reason. A hint to MS: We don't want you junk in the system. It is OK if it is bundled and easily separated, but we want the option to be able to get rid of it all. If it were in the MS Prefs, I would have just deleted those and gone on with my life, but now, I may just delete IE instead and never have to worry about this again.
        • I stopped running MSIE on Mac OS 9 because it kept corrupting my system Internet Preferences file. It would add crap into the file, crash, and corrupt the file, and I would lose all of my preferences. Yay!

        • really great find! i had been looking into thwarting this evil behaviour for a while now. thanks man :) (u made my boss really happy too ;]).
        • ... or as an alternative to editing the plist, you can do it the way Apple intended:
          - Go to System Perferences
          - Select Internet
          - Click the Web tab
          - In the Default Web Browser drop down, choose Select
          - Browse to Mozilla or Chimera Navigator and enjoy!
          • One problem, next time you launch IE, it becomes the default. Trust me, if it were this easy, I would not be editing the plist. Just IE set itself as the default every time it was launched.
      • This is the same company that makes IE undeletable on Windows.

    • Re:Won't Install (Score:2, Interesting)

      by gbooker ( 60148 )
      For me, this means that it will never be installed. The next time that I end up rebooting or shutting down my computer will be too far off for me to remember that this update even exist.

      I hate installers that do this. I have had many installers that install kernel extension that say the require a reboot. Well, I force quit them, su, find their extensions, and kextload. Never had any problems and the MP3 player was never interrupted in the process.

      Why on Earth do you have to quit my Apps MS? There is NEVER a good reason for it. No other browser requires anything like this. Besides, I hate the idea of authenticating something from MS. I guess that MS wants to loose the browser war on OS X. They sure seem to be acting like it.
      • Why on Earth do you have to quit my Apps MS? There is NEVER a good reason for it. No other browser requires anything like this.

        Refer to this comment [slashdot.org]. Microsoft shouldn't take the blame for this. It's MindVision's fault. They built the installer-builder that Microsoft (and lots and lots of others) used.
        • I know you've rescinded this comment elsewhere (because the builder decides whether VISE kills other apps), but I do have to point out that MS chose to package the install with VISE, despite the fact that there are eight million other apps that don't need to. It's totally their fault. They're trying to make OS X look crappy.
          • MS chose to package the install with VISE, despite the fact that there are eight million other apps that don't need to.

            I agree with you that application installers are pretty much obsolete for OS X, and that if you need one you should use Apple's installer, but in all fairness VISE is the most common installer-maker for Mac OS. It's not like Microsoft went out of their way to find a lousy one, or wrote their own just to be stubborn.
          • MS chose to package the install with VISE, despite the fact that there are eight million other apps that don't need to. It's totally their fault.

            Well, lets look at web browsers.
            OmniWeb - Mount this disk image and copy to your hard drive.
            Mozilla - Same thing
            Chimera - I believe it is the same (been a while since I played with it).
            IE - Run this installer, Authenticate it, and quit all your apps (my case, averages around 17 including my MP3 player and FIRE where I would like to chat with people while it installs), install, and then reset the cookie prefs and default home page.

            The verdict: Between the other browsers on my system, IE no longer has much of a place. I only need it now for those sorry excuses of web sites that can't be bothered to follow HTML standards. Sorry MS, but you are going to have to learn that if you want to keep the browser market on OS X, you are going to have to <gasp>compete.</gasp>

    • Re:Won't Install (Score:3, Informative)

      by foobar104 ( 206452 )
      MSIE 5.2 won't install without quitting my running apps. So, it won't be installed for some time. Maybe Microsoft is just jealous, wants to bring everyone else down to its OS level.

      Don't blame Microsoft for this. Blame MindVision. The installer is built with Installer VISE from MindVision, version 7.4.1, which I believe is a direct carbonization of their OS 9 installer-builder product. Back in OS 9 days, quitting all running programs to install software was a resonable, if not necessarily correct, thing to do, so that's why the installer does it.

      "About Installer..." should tell you everything you want to know.

      I'm as annoyed at this "feature" as anybody, but blame the right party for it.

      • Re:Won't Install (Score:4, Informative)

        by pudge ( 3605 ) <{ten.egdup} {ta} {todhsals}> on Tuesday June 18, 2002 @11:11AM (#3722537) Homepage Journal
        I am a registered user of VISE, and use it for the MacPerl installers. It does not require you quit all applications. That is a preference the builder of the installer may choose. It certainly is not necessary to quit all running programs when installing Mac OS 9 software. Sorry, but the blame is not MindVision's, nor Apple's, unless there is something we don't know about Mac OS X itself that requires Microsoft to enable this feature, which is unlikely.

  • IE/Mac IE/Win (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Fweeky ( 41046 ) on Tuesday June 18, 2002 @07:35AM (#3721198) Homepage
    For some reason, Microsoft's IE/Mac and IE/Win teams are completely different; while IE5/Mac was hailed as having one of the best CSS1 implimentations, IE5/Win was still struggling with the box model (and happily making all your boxes too big, because the IE/Win team can't read, obviously).

    So don't go lumping IE/Mac in with IE/Win - they're completely different browsers which happen to share the same name.

    A List Apart: Why IE/Mac Matters [alistapart.com]
  • 1) Why do some software developers consider anti-aliasing the holy grail of software development worthy a point release?

    2) Did they actually publish a list of security fixes? I usually like to know what an update does before I install it...

  • Different Needs Met w/Different Browsers (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Spencerian ( 465343 ) on Tuesday June 18, 2002 @08:53AM (#3721532) Homepage Journal
    In the office, I have to have my needs met by a slurry of browsers.

    IE (which does have a different code base than its PC counterpart--remember that IE6 in Windows is an embedded component of the OS, unlike the Mac version) is the most compatible with most Internet pages, but also the most annoying. Go to the wrong page, and you're in pop-up hell. The new font smoothing makes it a little more palatable, however. You can't use anything but IE if you hit pages that are loaded with JavaScript, complex style sheets, or ActiveX controls. Java support appears generally OK--better than in the OS 9 versions, but still lacking somehow. This browser works on corporate pages where all others fail, and is the only one that handles Apple's WebObjects properly.

    OmniWeb is my browser of general choice. The current 5 beta has matured well with standards compliance and compatibility, and allows pop-up control. It may still choke on pages obviously created only for Windows users in mind. It's font smoothing is the best of the lot. The beta isn't always stable for some pages, such as CNN.

    Netscape 6 is used when neither IE or OmniWeb are working properly.
  • Okay, so I installed it. It required me to quit all open apps, as other users mentioned. This really makes me curious as to what M$ is modifying at the OS level. Why couldn't this just be an item in Software Update? So anyway, after installing, I launch it, and my homepage is switched to msn.com without asking...suddenly it no longer respects my Internet PrefPane settings. So I had to go in and manually change my homepage back in the IE Preferences. But while I was on msn.com, I noticed something - text was overlapping graphics. The layout was completely screwed up. Text was suddenly outside the bounds of table cells. Or that's how it seemed anyway - msn may be using some bad CSS code that renders fine in IE for Windows (which notoriously miscalculates CSS margins) and then is broken in other browsers. I'm not sure what the problem was, but it was ugly. So then I visited a few sites, and it looked like it was using the Quartz text anti-aliasing, but not the Quartz metrics. All of the letters were tracked way too tightly. And then it seemed that anything below 12 pt was not anti-aliased, so with the mixed anti-aliasing and QuickDraw text, it was very, very ugly. And even though it seemed a bit faster than previous versions, it's still not up to snuff with the competing mac browsers, so I'm still keeping OmniWeb 4.1b7 as my default and Mozilla 1.1a as my alternate (which incorporates the Quartz Text Anti-aliasing with no layout problems, and so far no crashes either - and it's an Alpha rlelease!) I would use Chimera more, but I find that even 0.3 is prone to unexpected quits.

  • Not Impressed So Far... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by SPYvSPY ( 166790 ) on Tuesday June 18, 2002 @01:01PM (#3723295) Homepage
    ...I've had the update installed for about two hours. In that time, I've noticed:

    1) The installer requires you to quit all other apps. What is this, OS 9? Windows? Microsoft still doesn't get it. They give you the thing on a .dmg and then make you run an installer? What nasty files are they hiding from view?

    2) It changes your homepage to msn.com. Nice touch. I'm *thrilled* by the first impression that this install is making so far... Makes you wonder what other prefs are being overwritten.

    3) Within minutes of starting it up, I had the mother of all spinning beachball delays. It went on for over a minute. So much for being an improvement over the last crappy IE.

    4) Text is now anti-aliased, as it has been with OmniWeb, et al. for what seems like years. Bogus.

    • Follow Up! (Score:3, Informative)

      by SPYvSPY ( 166790 )
      I trashed IE 5.2 and installed Mozilla 1.0. Now, my network configuration has mysterious flipped out and pulls down "255.255.255.255" for every DHCP field from my hub. Gee, I wonder which application manipulated my system preferences to cause that?
      • That sounds like a different problem. OS X 10.15 has a bug which may cause your system to lose its DHCP lease and never try and renew it. The recommended fix is to delete the file com.apple.PowerManagement.plist.


        This is from KB document 106905 [apple.com]

  • Does the new revision of Internet Explorer display PNG images yet? AFAIK, IE 5.1 is the only browser on the Mac that won't show PNGs, it's really shameful.
    • As I'm sure someone's about to flame you.. I know what you mean.

      MSIE supports PNG just fine.. as inline images. But if you go to a URL which is a PNG image, it won't load, and will try to offer to help you by opening some other app to do it.

      And no, MSIE 5.2 doesn't fix this bug, or the other bug I experiance regularlly, where it doesn't put text in javascript popup windows.

      Stupid IE.

      *smacks*
  • Horrible program. At least with 5.1, the beach ball doesn't spin for over a minute. Chimera rocks.

  • Why isn't IE in Software Update? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by mactari ( 220786 ) <rufwork.gmail@com> on Wednesday June 19, 2002 @01:10PM (#3730701) Homepage
    Whoa!! I'm pretty sure the IE 5.1 update showed up when I ran the Software Update utility in OS X. Wonder why 5.2 isn't showing up and is a download on the Mactopia website instead. Wonder if it has any connection with the iBrowser rumor [theregus.com] that's been going around.

    I didn't believe the rumors at first, and probably still don't, but this is a weird break from tradition here.
  • ok first this disclaimer.
    -i hate microsoft. i'm forced to work with them at work, and for me the mac is the one true way to have an OS work.
    - i love opensource. i push it whenever i can at work. and i'm in the position to do that.
    - to me, microsoft = software mediocrity. and they've made bad software acceptable.

    that being said, i use IE on the mac. on osX. i also fire up opera and mozilla at points, but i primarily use IE.
    why? well, its the features. i LOVE some of the things that mac IE has. things that arent even in Win-IE. things that arent in Mozilla. or Opera, or OmniWeb. or iCab.

    - the autocomplete in the URL bar also completes based on title. if i have a bookmark, or a recent history webpage that had a title of "booyah" and was at "foobar.com" i could type in booyah or foobar and it would pop me to the right web page. thats convienience and quite the mac-like intuition i love.
    - the scrapbook - totally cool. yeah, theres similar in moz now.
    - page holder. i like it, but dont use it all that much. again, also avail in moz
    - aquafied text. ok, IE5.2 finally uses the 10.1.5 updates carbon -> aqua hook. it looks great! for a few weeks i was running Silk, but to tell you the truth, i've tossed silk away now. IE5.2 builtin does it MUCH BETTER than silk did.
    - it feels more mac like. less so than omniweb or icab, but more so than opera, or mozilla. it has the right feel for mac.
    - IE 5.x xml rendering. i use xml a bunch at work, and the builtin xml rendering is nice. why the heck cant someone incorporate this into moz?!?!?

    i HATE how ie spins around for a while on silly javascript. that pisses me off. and hwo about a setting where popups / popunders are disabled?

    that off my chest, i hope that soon the aqua mozilla adds these things i like. or if i could get tabs in IE. either way.

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