Apple Has No Plans To Make a 27-inch iMac With Apple Silicon (theverge.com) 60
Apple will not be making an Apple Silicon version of the 27-inch iMac to replace the Intel-equipped model that it discontinued in 2022. From a report: The company is instead focusing the iMac line around the 24-inch model that was first released in early 2021 and just updated with the new M3 processor this fall. Apple PR representative Starlayne Meza confirmed the company's plans to The Verge. The company encourages those who have been holding out hope for a larger iMac to consider the Studio Display and Mac Studio or Mac Mini, which pair a 27-inch 5K screen with a separate computer, compared to the all-in-one design of the iMac. For many years, the 27-inch iMac was Apple's flagship consumer desktop computer, and its reach spread far beyond the typical living room or home office into the studios and edit bays of many media companies.
No idea how they would do it (Score:2)
The current design doesn't lend itself to a much larger screen. The current offering doesn't lend itself to me ever purchasing it either. I can't imagine being stuck with that small of a display again. Sure, a second monitor is an option, but it really defeats the goals with an all-in-one computer.
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24" does seem kind of tiny, but Apple is back to the 90s again. Making really expensive stuff that doesn't even attempt to compete feature for feature with commodity hardware. We remember what happened then.
Like Microsoft with Office and OEM Windows deals, Apple is quite lucky to have the endless iPhone gold mine.
Re:No idea how they would do it (Score:5, Informative)
That 24" iMac has a starting price of $1,299 for a mode that ships with a 256 GB SSD and 8 GB of RAM. Even though it wouldn't cost Apple more than $40 to double the sizes for each of those, it would mean that they wouldn't be able to charge $200 for each of those upgrades to make the cost of an iMac with 16 GB of RAM and a 512 GB SSD $1,699.
The current iMac is a terrible product and no one should consider buying one given that neither the RAM or the SSD can be upgraded by the user at all.
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I just sold my 2019 Mac Pro for a 2023 Mac Studio to get on the M chips. The tower has no real benefit over the Studio. Even the memory maxes out at the same point.
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24" is a bad design today for a high end machine. they should have created a bezel-less or very thin bezel 4k 27"
Perhaps you should contact Apple about how they can cram a computer and a display into a thin bezel machine. While you are at it, Dell and HP engineers would also like to know seeing their all-in-one machines have noticeable bezels. Lenovo engineers do not need any notes; they have solved the problem by making their all-in-one hella fat.
However, not having a low-cost monitor that is aesthetically a match for the all in one kind of makes it a non-starter for all use cases beyond grandparents and children who would only use it ever so casually.
By all use cases you mean people who do not want/need dual monitors? I assure you that it is not just grandparents and children that do not use dual monitors.
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> Perhaps you should contact Apple about how they can cram a computer and a display into a thin bezel machine
Another question, for you, is "why is a thin bezel important?"
Would you rather have a thinner bezel or another 256 GB in the SSD?
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The tower has benefits for a few specific use cases. If you need more internal storage, more and/or faster Ethernet interfaces (it's already got 10 GbE, so I'm talking 40 or 100 GbE), or AI or video encoding/decoding accelerators, it's there for you with its SATA ports and PCIe slots. But that's about it. Oddly, it doesn't support graphics cards in those PCIe slots, something that would make the potential market significantly larger, though they would have to make peace with Nvidia after all these years to
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Yeah, but those incremental costs that make the lede number meaningless are where everything starts to fall apart... especially when the only upgrade has to be done at the time of purchase. Sure, everybody plays the same game, and this is essentially where they hit their positive margins. The problem is eventually you hit a point of individual or mass consumer pushback which makes your strategy fall flat. When we hit that point is hard to tell though.
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Also, the release of the Mac Studio plus the separate 27" display pretty much ended the idea of a 27" iMac. Now, a slightly modified 24" iMac that could accommodate the M3 Pro SoC and move the Ethernet connector back to the main system chassis is a real possibility, though.
I don't understand this attitude... (Score:3)
There is demand for a product but instead of meeting the demand consumers are pushed to a product that they don't want to buy. If the Studio Display and Mac Studio were a replacement for the 27" iMac then people would already be buying it. The form factor doesn't even compare.
For many years, the 27-inch iMac was Apple's flagship consumer desktop computer, and its reach spread far beyond the typical living room or home office into the studios and edit bays of many media companies.
It's not as if there wasn't a demand for it, unless the article is misleading.
Re:I don't understand this attitude... (Score:5, Funny)
Maybe try to learn that Apple are visionaries and whatever they do is amazing. Did you even try that before commenting!?
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And don't forget the $500 for the roller wheels on the Mac Pro!
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The monitor with the stupidly expensive stand is the Pro Display XDR, not the Studio Display. On that one you have to buy either the $1000 stand or the $200 VESA mount adapter; it's not even ready to use without buying one of those. I suppose that if you can afford a $5000 display ($6000 with the nano-texture glass) you can also afford the stand.
The Studio Display comes with either the basic stand or the VESA adapter at the base price. The height-adjustable stand adds $400. It does have the benefit of built
Re:I don't understand this attitude... (Score:4, Interesting)
In what way doesn't the form factor compare? This seems like a good design to me. Monitors last a lot longer than computers. Why replace your monitor every time you replace your computer? Separating them saves money and reduces waste. And it's not like it's taking a lot more desk space. The mini is a really small box.
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I've been using this ViewSonic 32" 4K display for the last three years and it works pretty nicely. The controls aren't fun to use, but the unit works reliably with a USB-C to mini-DisplayPort cable:
https://www.viewsonic.com/us/v... [viewsonic.com]
It's not 5K of course, but it's a big leap up from a 1440p display at least.
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There is demand for a product but instead of meeting the demand consumers are pushed to a product that they don't want to buy. If the Studio Display and Mac Studio were a replacement for the 27" iMac then people would already be buying it. The form factor doesn't even compare.
I am sure Apple or any manufacturer would not turn down making money if it were an option. I can only guess there are additional factors beyond "Some people want to buy it" when making a new product. Most likely, pesky logistics come into play like Apple's supply chain not being able to make enough 27 inch M3 iMacs currently.
It's not as if there wasn't a demand for it, unless the article is misleading.
There is a demand for a product and a manufacturer deciding not to make a product yet [for reasons] are not mutually exclusive ideas. The real crux is we the general public do not know
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Demand is a funny thing. There is demand for a $100 Mac. But I'm sure Apple isn't going to fulfill it. There is demand for an Intel Mac, but Apple sure isn't going that way anymore.
There is demand for the wildly expensive Mac Pro, too.
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But is the demand big enough? Mac Pro (and Mac mini) are the two worst selling Macs in the lineup. The only reason they stick around is that people are willing to pay the outrageous prices Apple wants for them.
They stick around because the creative crowd wants them and in most organizations that crowd gets what it wants. The cost of the Mac Pro is insane but easier to swallow over a 5 year depreciation schedule when measured against the against anticipated output from its user(s).
I have a few in my fleet. They are rare enough that the one time I had to take one to the Genius Bar (hardware warranty service) literally the entire staff stopped what they were doing to come out and gawk at the thing.
The transi
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"There is demand for a product"
Is it economic demand, or people-complaining demand?
When Apple only made 27" iMacs and not Mac Studio + Studio Display, people complained about having to throw away the display to upgrade the computer.
Now that Apple only makes Mac Studio + Studio Display, people complain about not having an 27" AOI.
The presence of people complaining is neither necessary nor sufficient to prove you should make both types.
There's still rumors that they are working on a 32 (Score:2)
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Greedy scumbags as they are they wouldn't acknowledge that but rather steer people to buy other products in the meanwhile.
Er? The entire article is about how Apple acknowledges they do not have a product with the exact specifications, but Apple has not publicly disclosed they are making that product. My history says Apple rarely tells the public their roadmap so this is not new. Apple lists alternatives should the customer want similar specifications. No one is forcing anyone to buy a Mac and a Studio Display and no one is forcing them to be bought together. If someone wants to buy a LG 5K monitor and a Mac Mini, they are fre
Moore's Law Free Zone (Score:3, Interesting)
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You are not the typical buyer. You don’t think Apple has teams of people figuring out specs for end users?
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The majority of 24" iMac are for schools and businesses with endless rows of computers in an office. They don't need more than that.
Most of my Linux servers are 1G of RAM or even less in some cases and could survive with 256M even for MySQL and MongoDB loads. None of my Windows machines are running less than 8GB of RAM because Windows 11 requires 4G just to boot. A bare MacOS uses ~0.5G of RAM upon boot.
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It's what happens when you move away from commodity hardware. Over in x86 world you have decades of engineering going into refining stuff that most of the people whose job it is would really like to be able to say "no more DIMM slots." People don't realise how much R&D work is done by Intel and AMD into getting this stuff to work at all, let alone at high performance. For apple to put a DIMM slot and an m.2 on their motherboards would require replicating that effort and while the people are willing to p
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It's what happens when you move away from commodity hardware. Over in x86 world you have decades of engineering going into refining stuff that most of the people whose job it is would really like to be able to say "no more DIMM slots."
I hardly call a 27" 5K display as "commodity". As far as I know only 1 manufacturer makes the displays, LG. All the 5K monitors people can buy now are LG displays sold under a different brand.
For apple to put a DIMM slot and an m.2 on their motherboards would require replicating that effort and while the people are willing to pay the premium for their integrated non-solution there's no reason to do it.
M chips by having the RAM on the same SOC is a huge performance boost. For many applications, not having a SODIMM slot is a space saving optimization as shown in the Raspberry Pi boards. Yes, it is less configurable and reparable, but to say there is "no reason to do it" is short sighted. There are reasons; people simp
Problems of all-in-one design (Score:2)
When you buy things that use an all-in-one design, you limit yourself greatly, compared to putting together components.
Traditional desktop computers come in separate components for this very reason. Want a bigger monitor? Fine, just hook it up to the system. Don't like the keyboard? Fine, just get a different one.
If you want flexibility, go with components. If you want convenience and compactness, get the all-in-one, but understand that your options will be limited.
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Don't like the keyboard? Fine, just get a different one.
I am pretty sure you can use almost keyboard you want with any all-in-one. Even with the original blue iMac, the only limitation on keyboard was it had to be USB and not legacy Apple Desktop Bus. All-in-ones come with keyboards as do most new prebuilts, but you do not have to use that keyboard.
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My comments were more generic than just iMac. Laptops have this same issue. You certainly can't change out the monitor for a bigger one.
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Yes of course, you are missing the point. You *can* attach another screen to either an iMac or a laptop. But if the built-in screen breaks, you can't replace it, and you can't change the size of the built-in screen. If your solution is to attach an external screen, then why have a built-in screen at all? Just buy a traditional form factor where you attach a separate screen. By combining peripherals into a single device, you limit the ability to customize and repair individual components.
A laptop make sense
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Yes of course, you are missing the point.
Your point seems to be about complaining about things that are not true.
But if the built-in screen breaks, you can't replace it, and you can't change the size of the built-in screen.
And repair shops do not exist? As for not changing the built-in screen, I cannot add a second processor to my desktop. So what?. That is part of the trade-off and design limitation of the product that was already known when someone bought that product. A laptop's screen cannot be increased. You are getting portability in exchange for a fixed screen size.
If your solution is to attach an external screen, then why have a built-in screen at all?
Every one of your complaints is framed on how you can ONLY do something when that is
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And repair shops do not exist?
Yeah right. Repairs generally cost more than replacement...at least, if you can replace just the broken component.
And no one says every one MUST buy an all-in-one or a laptop
And yet, the article we are discussing, is complaining that Apple will not produce a 27" version of their iMac. Just tell them to buy a different computer then, why complain? From your point of view, with all the alternatives, the author doesn't have a complaint.
Pick your poison. Buy the integrated iMac with its limited selection of form factors, or buy a component system (desktop). But stop try
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Yeah right. Repairs generally cost more than replacement...at least, if you can replace just the broken component.
Why do you keep spouting nonsense like you cannot fix a broken screen. It can be done; heck some repairs can be done by you if you are brave enough to tackle it yourself. As for repairs cost more than replacement, that is also not necessarily true. I have a Dell laptop: A quick Amazon search [amazon.com] says a replacement screen starts around $50 USD. I can assure you I cannot replace the laptop for $50.
And yet, the article we are discussing, is complaining that Apple will not produce a 27" version of their iMac. Just tell them to buy a different computer then, why complain? From your point of view, with all the alternatives, the author doesn't have a complaint.
Your starting premise is somehow everyone MUST buy an Apple iMac for your nonsensical complaints to make sense. That
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Very few iMac users can repair their own screens, they have to pay somebody to do it. I guarantee you can't get somebody to replace your screen for $50.
I never said everyone must by an iMac, or anything close to that.
Stop harping on the keyboard. Yes, of course you can use any keyboard, though it's completely impractical to use a second keyboard with a laptop on a plane seat. And claiming it's cheap to do a DIY screen replacement isn't realistic for 90% of customers, who wouldn't have a clue how to do their
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Very few iMac users can repair their own screens, they have to pay somebody to do it. I guarantee you can't get somebody to replace your screen for $50.
Your entire point was that broken screens cannot be repaired. That was a lie.
I never said everyone must by an iMac, or anything close to that.
ALL of your premises start with every one must buy an iMac. ALL of them.
Stop harping on the keyboard. And claiming it's cheap to do a DIY screen replacement isn't realistic for 90% of customers, who wouldn't have a clue how to do their own repair.
YOU brought up the nonsensical complaint about keyboards.
Yes, of course you can use any keyboard, though it's completely impractical to use a second keyboard with a laptop on a plane seat.
Why do you keep inventing scenarios?
I'd say you have the strawman argument. Your premise is that customers can "easily" repair their own systems. This is simply not true.
I never said that. Stop lying. I said "repair shops exist" and "if you are brave, you can make your own repairs". Your premise that somehow a broken screen cannot be repaired.
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Your entire point was that broken screens cannot be repaired. That was a lie.
No, it's not a lie. Cost-prohibitive = non-repairable. Sure, if you're willing to spend more than the cost of a new device on repairs, technically *anything* is repairable. So let's not start accusing rather than debating.
ALL of your premises start with every one must buy an iMac. ALL of them.
I have no idea what you're talking about. The article is about iMacs, so we're discussing iMacs. The same principles apply to any device that is "bundled" whether it's built by Apple, or Dell, or Microsoft.
Stop lying. I said "repair shops exist" and "if you are brave, you can make your own repairs"
Refer to point 1 above. If something costs more to repair--by someone qualified to r
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You said: "Don't like the keyboard? Fine, just get a different one." [slashdot.org]
All-in-ones can use different keyboards so that is a lie.
You said: "But if the built-in screen breaks, you can't replace it. . ." [slashdot.org]
That is a lie. You can repair a screen.
You said: "You can easily take your laptop to a conference room or on a plane (where you can't easily use a separate keyboard or external monitor)." [slashdot.org]
I know of no limitations that says using a separate ke
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Yep, you've got me figured out, all I do is lie! Well, apparently you've run out of actual logic, because all you do is attack me. This is known as an ad hominem attack. When you are ready to talk respectfully, I'll be happy to continue our conversation.
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Yep, you've got me figured out, all I do is lie! Well, apparently you've run out of actual logic, because all you do is attack me.
Pointing out every single time you lied with your own words is "attacking you". I guess you play the victim card when someone points out all the things you said that are not true. Let me play my fiddle for you.
When you are ready to talk respectfully, I'll be happy to continue our conversation.
Repeatedly lying over and over again is not respect. It shows that instead you are willing to brush aside the truth when it inconveniences your argument. Computer screens can be repaired; I am not sure why you have to deny that reality in your hatred of all-in-ones. You will never buy one; yet you fee
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I'm quite sure you have the cognitive ability to understand that not every false statement is a lie. Other things that can lead to false statements include:
- Lack of knowledge
- Unreliable sources
- Faulty logic
- Forgetfulness
There are many others. Insisting that someone you disagree with is lying, rarely convinces them of anything, and further, shows one's own level of immaturity. Clearly, you care about whether I agree with you or not, or you would have dropped out of this conversation long ago. Try logic,
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I'm quite sure you have the cognitive ability to understand that not every false statement is a lie. Other things that can lead to false statements include: - Lack of knowledge - Unreliable sources - Faulty logic - Forgetfulness
Are you saying that you had no idea that computer screens could be repaired? Are you saying you had no idea that an all-in-one can use any keyboard? After multiple posts, you still did not know that? When challenged neither was true, you double-downed and tried to then pass that off as "well repairs cost more."
here are many others. Insisting that someone you disagree with is lying, rarely convinces them of anything, and further, shows one's own level of immaturity. Clearly, you care about whether I agree with you or not, or you would have dropped out of this conversation long ago. Try logic, instead of accusations. The result might surprise you.,
At some point, you had to realize your many statements are untrue. Now you are playing the victim. At this point, I am unwilling to give you the benefit of a doubt and have to assume you are just lyi
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No, I am not saying any of the things you are suggesting I might be saying. Please read more carefully. I have clarified that screens *cannot* be repaired, in the sense that it's cost-prohibitive. And you continue to insist on brining up the keyboard thing, which clearly indicates you are not reading my replies.
No one is a victim, or a liar. Those are your assertions, not based on *truth* (which you claim to consider important). You are, however, attacking your opponent in an argument. That much is true.
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No, I am not saying any of the things you are suggesting I might be saying. Please read more carefully. I have clarified that screens *cannot* be repaired, in the sense that it's cost-prohibitive.
That is not what you said. I have documented your lies above. You said "But if the built-in screen breaks, you can't replace it, and you can't change the size of the built-in screen." There was nothing about costs.
Now you are saying it is cost-prohibitive when you were caught telling a lie. That is ALSO a lie as the professional cost is about $300 to repair a screen according to HP with part costs starting around $50 should a person attempt to do the repair themselves.
And you continue to insist on brining up the keyboard thing, which clearly indicates you are not reading my replies.
I posted every one of your lies above i
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Well, here are some more lies, because, according to you, everything I say is a lie. So let's get that out of the way. What I'm about to say is a lie. Got it?
When you crash your car, and the insurance company says it cannot be repaired, it doesn't mean that it is impossible to repair it. It means that the cost of repairs are too high to make repairs practical. This is the sense in which an iMac screen cannot be repaired. (This is a lie, you know, just pre-empting your response.)
You quoted a repair cost from
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When you crash your car, and the insurance company says it cannot be repaired, it doesn't mean that it is impossible to repair it. It means that the cost of repairs are too high to make repairs practical.
First, that is not what you said. You said:"But if the built-in screen breaks, you can't replace it, and you can't change the size of the built-in screen." Secondly, your next LIE is that $300 professional/ $50 self repair cost is more than the entire all-in-one. Third, my insurance would never says that my car cannot be repaired. They say I will reimbursed for the current value of the car because they explicitly tell me the repairs are more than the car. You did not start with that. You asserted from the
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You missed 8 opportunities to use the word "lie"! You're really losing it!
We all know that the price for an HP screen is not equal to the price of an Apple screen. Prove me wrong, I dare you. (I know you can't all you know how to do is shout "lie lie lie.")
And guess what, you truly can't change the size of your iMac screen. No lie!
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You missed 8 opportunities to use the word "lie"! You're really losing it!
And you cannot read clearly when I said I already did. But then again, not reading is not your problem. Making things up because you don't seem to understand basic reality. By the way, people can use mice with laptops and all-in-ones too as well as desktops. This must be Earth-shattering to you.
We all know that the price for an HP screen is not equal to the price of an Apple screen. Prove me wrong, I dare you. (I know you can't all you know how to do is shout "lie lie lie.")
Bahahahahaha. What part of we are talking about ALL models of all-in-ones is not clear? You seem to forget you wrote: "The same principles apply to any device that is "bundled" whether it's built by Apple, or Dell
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Hey look, you conceded a point!
1) Again you still wrote "you can't replace it [the screen]". 2) So what? If you want a bigger monitor, you have to buy a new one.
So you acknowledge that you can't change the size of the screen, you just don't think it's important. That's the first honest thing you've said in this entire conversation. Well, apparently the author of the article thought it was important.
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So you acknowledge that you can't change the size of the screen, you just don't think it's important.
I never said that. Another day, another lie from Tony Isaac. I stated the reality that 1) broken screens CAN be repaired and 2) repairing a broken screen is CHEAPER than replacing the whole all-in-one. Seems like you still fail to admit these two points.
That's the first honest thing you've said in this entire conversation. Well, apparently the author of the article thought it was important.
Bahahahaahahahaha. That's funny considering every new post of yours introduces yet another lie.
The 27" iMac was a good deal (Score:2)
For a long time, the 27" iMac was priced comparably to displays of similar size and quality - you could buy it with minimal factory RAM and disk, slot the RAM yourself, use external drives, and not break the bank.
If you were feeling brave, once the warranty lapsed you could open it up and add an SSD - cutting and replacing the adhesive strips holding it shut was not for the faint of heart.
With Apple Silicon most of those cheaper routes are closed off - no RAM or SSD upgrades at non-Apple prices.
I'm still wa
40 Years (Score:2)
After almost 40 years, you'd think we'd be past the ridiculous reasons that people make up to justify their hatred for Apple.