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Apple Sets April 11 Deadline For US Employees To Return To Office (macrumors.com) 58

Apple has set an April 11 deadline for corporate employees in the U.S. to return to offices like Apple Park, according to Bloomberg's Mark Gurman. MacRumors reports: Apple is planning for a hybrid in-office and at-home work schedule going forward. The report states that Apple employees will be required to work from the office at least one day per week by April 11, at least two days per week by May 2, and at least three days per week by May 23. Those three days would be Mondays, Tuesdays, and Thursdays, with most employees having the option to work remotely on Wednesdays and Fridays.

"For many of you, I know that returning to the office represents a long-awaited milestone and a positive sign that we can engage more fully with the colleagues who play such an important role in our lives," said Apple CEO Tim Cook, in a memo to employees obtained by Bloomberg. "For others, it may also be an unsettling change." Apple's corporate employees have largely been working from home since the start of the pandemic. Apple executives have routinely made it clear that employees would eventually need to return to the office once it is safer to do so, despite some employees objecting.
Apple's decisions comes just a few days after Google said that its employees would need to return to offices starting April 4.
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Apple Sets April 11 Deadline For US Employees To Return To Office

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  • This isn't about profits, it is about control. We all need to stop letting micromanaging bosses push us around. I suggest Apple employees unionize.

    • I am sure everyone being stuck home with nothing else to do but consume on their phones and the government printing free money had nothing to do with it.
      • by spun ( 1352 )

        What free money? You mean all the stock and bond buybacks? Or the paycheck protection act, that got pocketed by the owning class?

        Dude, the poor and middle class got a pittance, while the rich got the biggest socialist handout in history. But that hasn't got anything to do with the record profits. The rich just used the money they stole form your taxes to buy up all the houses, which is why houses are unaffordable now. The rich are parasites.

        And were people consuming more? Were you? I wasn't consuming shit.

      • by Duds ( 100634 )

        Or alternatively the people who've been at home working more effectively than before and with $5000 in commuting costs they can now spend how they like.

  • by geekmux ( 1040042 ) on Friday March 04, 2022 @06:22PM (#62327525)

    The Commercial Real Estate Complex, has spoken.

    You will justify their unending bloodlust.

    Fuck your commutes. Fuck endless hours of productive time pissed away sitting behind the wheel.

    Fuck your pollution, and every disease and death it creates. Fuck your Go Green initiatives (but please..remember to recycle.)

    Back in your cube, shitling. You've got real estate tax hikes to justify.

    Thugs and Kisses,

    - Greed

    • cube?

      what century are you from? there have not been cubes, at least in the bay area, for well over a decade, perhaps more.

      open friggin office is the norm and its rows and rows of desks, right next to each other or not even desks, just long long tables, reminiscent of the turn of the previous previous century. deep sigh.

      no room and not even your own real desk.

      this is what they want us to come back to.

      are you surprised that we are not excited?

      look, if you 'let' us go back to cubes, that might be some kind o

      • by mjwx ( 966435 )

        cube?

        what century are you from? there have not been cubes, at least in the bay area, for well over a decade, perhaps more.

        open friggin office is the norm and its rows and rows of desks, right next to each other or not even desks, just long long tables, reminiscent of the turn of the previous previous century. deep sigh.

        This... I long for the days where we actually had 3 walls to call a cube that provided some privacy and respite from Dick in sales who shouts on the fucking phone all day (97% absolutely nothing to do with work what so ever).

    • by Sebby ( 238625 )

      Thugs and Kisses,

      Should've made that "Thugs and Hisses"

  • ... on a campus, instead of spending any of it on actual QA/testing of its products and, especially, software!

  • by jvkjvk ( 102057 ) on Friday March 04, 2022 @06:45PM (#62327583)

    I am not looking for any position that I cannot telecommute in. It is the wave of the future and there is no reason not to do it.

    Commuting wastes time, gas, money, has environmental and other health costs, etc.

    It has been proven that work from home can work so they are going to have to hope that in a generation we don't remember that.

    • As a (mostly) non-driving transit-dependent person, I like my city's 24-hour subway and transit systems. Like it or not, commuting tends to support (green, electric-powered) public transit and rail. It will be allowed to wither on the vine or cut back to daytime-only service if people don't commute in person. SAVE! OUR! TRAINS!
      • by Kokuyo ( 549451 )

        That is one of the most asinine thinys I've read in a while. And I dwell on 9gag.

        I can only hope that was sarcasm that I missed.

        Keeping up a system that costs society SO much on so many levels just to keep an infrastructure up and runhing that almost had nomother purpose than supporting said system?

        I'm sure those people living by the tracks of these night trains just puked a little in their mouths for no, to them, apparent reason.

      • by jvkjvk ( 102057 )

        >SAVE! OUR! TRAINS!

        So no. If commuting for work is the only thing keeping the trains running then shitcan them. Telecommuting is here to stay, I hope.

        You are advocating for some species of the broken window fallacy. You want to break telecommuting so that trains have work, simply for the purpose of having work.

        Sure, I get it. You like the fact that the suckers commuting for work support your train habit. But perhaps *they* don't like supporting *your* train habit. If the citizens of the city can't

    • by Duds ( 100634 )

      Granted I'm in software, although of course, so is Apple, but LinkedIn sends me multiple jobs a day. The VAST majority are now remote.

      My company just posted a similar job to mine, we're accepting applicants from I think 7 countries.

  • Sorry, Tim (Score:4, Insightful)

    by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Friday March 04, 2022 @06:47PM (#62327589)

    "For many of you, I know that returning to the office represents a long-awaited milestone and a positive sign that we can engage more fully with the colleagues who play such an important role in our lives," said Apple CEO Tim Cook

    Sorry, Tim. Our colleagues may play an important role in our jobs - but, for most of us, our jobs are not our lives.

    And, frankly, not all jobs require much engagement with colleagues. Mine certainly doesn't, thanks at least in some degree to upper management gradually paring down our team's size over the past several years to the point where those of us remaining don't really have significantly overlapping skill sets with each other. I like my teammates, but they're not helping me get my job done.

    • > Sorry, Tim. Our colleagues may play an important role in our jobs - but, for most of us, our jobs are not our lives.

      Right. There's a bifurcation happening where mostly the zealots are staying with Big Tech onsite and those who prefer flexible working locations are leaving.

      Should be interesting.

  • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Friday March 04, 2022 @06:52PM (#62327603)
    not just the stuff these companies own directly, but also all the companies who they and their CEOs have invested in who own commercial real estate.

    There's a way to fix this, if you're willing to. You just have to ask yourself, are you tired of being told what to do by CEOs? Are you sick of never having a say in anything? Are you tired of being just another wage slave?

    If the answer to these questions is "yes" then you need to go to your government and demand STOCK FOR SUBISDIES.

    Our gov't gives billions of dollars in subsidies to mega corporations. With COVID it was TRILLIONS. And we got absolutely nothing in return except a promise not to use their wealth and power to destroy our lives.

    No more. No more of our taxpayer dollars for free. When a company gets money they give up stock. That's how it works. So if the gov't gives money, they get the same thing a private citizen gets: stock.

    Call your Senator and your rep and say "I want stock for subsidies".
  • You can tell which companies really care about climate change based on whether or not they're forcing their employees to return to the office... massive gas consumption and CO2 emissions, here we come...
    • WFH enables sprawl and car-based societies while destroying public transit systems (normally electric) and guaranteeing service cuts. SAVE OUR TRAINS!
      • Trains are cool and all, but not everyone wants to live in an expensive, noisy shoebox. Trust me, you don't want to force all us sprawl people to share a wall with you -- it'll be unpleasant for both of us.
        • I want to live in a country where more people are housed in panelbloc buildings, not private homes. The former Soviet Union and Singapore actually had the right ideas about density here.
          • Yeah... I have a suspicion that the list of ideas you think they had right doesn't end there.
  • All these big corps preach about 'sustainability' and 'net zero' but think it's better to make tens of thousands of employees sit in 3hrs of traffic each day rather than work from home.

    Hypocrisy writ large.

    • Those employees will leave cities, get bigger, less efficient homes in rural dumps, and drive more as part of their "WFH deathstyle." Density is sustainable. Sprawl is not.
      • $1.1M 3bd condo in a Bay Area city is why sustainable city living is out of reach for most people.

  • How else are they gonna keep running their financial scams?
  • At my office we were talking about switching to 100% remote work. My manager likes us physically present, but at the level above that the company has recognized how well the last two years have gone, and I'm pretty sure they're thinking of converting the present offices to other purposes.

    It's a weird future, in which a mid-sized business might have nothing more than a PO box as physical infrastructure without being a scam.

  • ... when a person is commuting to and from work every day, that time spent travelling each week can add up to more than the equivalent of a full day at work.

    And who the hell wants to work 6 days a week?

    The pandemic forced many employers to allow work-from-home situations, and many employees discovered that they actually *liked* having those extra hours during the day for themselves, to be both better rested in the morning and having more time to spend with their friends and family. The benefits of thi

    • Yeah, but... no. I know what you mean about the commute: my last job was 75 minutes each way from home. But that was on me. I could've moved closer to where I worked, but, for multiple reasons, I didn't. So, short of a "company town" arrangement where the housing and transportation are provided by the employer, I don't know how we could expect employers to pay the difference in commute time when employees are free to live wherever they want, even if it means the commute takes longer.
      • by mark-t ( 151149 )
        Employees are only free to live wherever they want to when they can find someone who will pay them enough to have that freedom.
      • by GBH ( 142968 )

        Yeah, but... no. I know what you mean about the commute: my last job was 75 minutes each way from home. But that was on me. I could've moved closer to where I worked, but, for multiple reasons, I didn't. So, short of a "company town" arrangement where the housing and transportation are provided by the employer, I don't know how we could expect employers to pay the difference in commute time when employees are free to live wherever they want, even if it means the commute takes longer.

        The balance is ALL wrong. The employer has decided they NEED you as you're the best person they could find to push the business forward or fill the position they had so they absolutely should be on the hook for paying for your commute time. Businesses don't get free deliveries of the materials they need to run their business, they get charged freight to get it to where they need it. This is true for everything a business uses, they pay to get whatever the resource is to where they need it. It's ONLY labour

        • by Chas ( 5144 )

          Actually no.
          The cost of the commute is implied to be built into the salary cost of the employee.

          If you didn't negotiate your terms of employment and you're going broke from commute costs?
          That's on you.

          • Actually no. The cost of the commute is implied to be built into the salary cost of the employee.

            If you didn't negotiate your terms of employment and you're going broke from commute costs? That's on you.

            The only part of your post with which I agree is your sig.

            • by Chas ( 5144 )

              Luckily we live in a world where you're not required to agree with anyone.

      • Yeah, but... no. I know what you mean about the commute: my last job was 75 minutes each way from home. But that was on me. I could've moved closer to where I worked, but, for multiple reasons, I didn't...

        But where should the line be drawn? When it's been proven that productivity with work-at-home is as good as or better than that in an 'official' workplace, where's the justification for making workers spend part of their workday travelling without compensating them?

        The power balance has shifted. Tech workers now have more autonomy and more negotiating power than before the pandemic, and our would-be masters don't like it one bit. When geographic limits are erased, job-hopping is ever so much easier now. No

  • While some people want it --- especially those who want to get away from family or difficult home conditions --- most technical workers are better off at home. We are generally more productive, we are generally happier, we are generally more organized, we are generally more comfortable, we are generally healthier getting exercise.

    There have been lots of studies done over the past two years, this article links to several [apollotechnical.com] that show for most (but not all) people working from home, statistics across the board

  • Working remotely allows us to reduce our carbon footprint. This means less dependence on fossil fuel from countries like Russia and Saudi Arabia. Making every one go back to work will help Putin finance his war with Ukraine. Remember when the cost of oil crashed at the beginning of the pandemic? Every company that forces their employees back to work is responsible for sending money to Putin.
  • New generation of whiners , it's part of your Job requirement to go back. Some of us NEVER had a choice of remote work and we lived thru it !
    • And some of us manage data centers and clusters all over the world, on teams where our immediate coworkers are in others countries and everything has been done through video conference and email for the past decade.

      So yea, we're curious why our respective tech companies want us to be on site 5 days a week. Contributing to local traffic congestion and parking demand. I suspect any reason given is total bullshit.

    • Go back to bed, great grandpa.

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