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Apple Tells Retailers To Stop Selling Certain Samsung Devices 308

Posted by Soulskill
from the getting-a-bit-ahead-of-ourselves dept.
walterbyrd writes with news that Apple has been sending out letters to carriers and retailers who sell the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 and the Galaxy Nexus, informing them of a court-mandated ban on sales and warning them against continuing to market the devices. The court order for the patent case on the Galaxy Tab says Samsung and "those acting in concert" with them are enjoined from selling the devices, and Apple has used the letters to point this out. Samsung, of course, disagrees: "Apple’s menacing letters greatly overreach, incorrectly claiming that third-party retailers are subject to the prohibitions of the preliminary injunction, which they clearly are not."
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Apple Tells Retailers To Stop Selling Certain Samsung Devices

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  • by Anonymous Coward

    I own a mbp, 2 iPhones, and an iPad... but this is getting annoying. think I'll go buy a
    galaxy s3 today.

    • by Lumpy (12016)

      Why? it's an inferior phone. Grab a nexus.

    • by Deorus (811828)

      How's it getting annoying? How's it even affecting you?

      • Re:annoying? (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14, 2012 @10:01AM (#40648149)

        How's it getting annoying? How's it even affecting you?

        It's annoying to support this kind of bickering with my dollars. At least since I really want 75% of all tech patents invalidated (because they are too obvious) and don't think software patents should exist at all. If you buy from a company you are supporting their business practices, all of them. Don't know about "annoying" but it's quite legitimate to scrutinize what you are patronizing. It's no surprise that not everyone will like how a given company does business.

      • by walterbyrd (182728) on Saturday July 14, 2012 @01:15PM (#40649567)

        Don't kid yourself. These actions by Apple drive up prices, kill innovation, and limit choice.

  • by craznar (710808) on Saturday July 14, 2012 @09:32AM (#40647955) Homepage

    ... and leave the law to the authorities.

    Mmmmk?

    • by Freaky Spook (811861) on Saturday July 14, 2012 @10:03AM (#40648163)

      Samsung should just stop selling components to Apple...
      Let them invent & manufacture that stuff themselves.

      • by macshit (157376) <miles.gnu@org> on Saturday July 14, 2012 @10:54AM (#40648487) Homepage

        Oh come on ... Apple's completely exhausted from inventing the rectangle! The rectangle!

        What more do you want from them?!

        • Blasphemy! Apple invented the rounded rectangle. I hope you get poked by the corners of the same rectangle you claim apple had invented. You might then learn to appreciate how innovative the rounded rectangle is.

      • by jo_ham (604554)

        Samsung should just stop selling components to Apple...
        Let them invent & manufacture that stuff themselves.

        That's called "cutting off your nose to spite your face". Apple is one of (maybe the?) biggest customer of Samsung's components. Cutting them off would be a huge financial hit for Samsung.

        I should mention, for the record, I think this move by Apple is massively overstepping their authority. Leave enforcement of court rulings to the courts and regulatory agencies. No need to go all vigilante.

        • by Deorus (811828)

          I should mention, for the record, I think this move by Apple is massively overstepping their authority. Leave enforcement of court rulings to the courts and regulatory agencies. No need to go all vigilante.

          For starters, Apple is not enforcing anything, only ensuring that nobody can claim lack of knowledge. Secondly, all regulatory agencies that I know only act on complaints, so Apple would have to file them either way, and in the event that they have to, being able to prove that they tried to address the s

        • by hairyfeet (841228)

          Citation please? Because the last figures I saw put Apple at less than 6% of Samsung's business, which while not nothing helping a company try to crush you for a relatively small sale is seriously retarded. See all the companies that get treated like crap by Walmart only to have Wally World come out with a store brand and crush what remaining sales they had.

          Supporting a company who is trying to put you out of business is just retarded any way you slice it, and I'd like to see those latest figures because

    • by brxndxn (461473)

      Actually, I would much prefer the enforcement of copyright law to be on the copyright holder instead of the taxpayer. If we're stuck with silly copyright laws, we might as well avoid paying to enforce it.

      • by BeanThere (28381)

        This is a patent issue, not a copyright one .. patents are very different to (and far worse than) copyrights.

    • by rgbrenner (317308)

      Instead of simply notifying Samsung's affiliates, they should have just sued Samsung and the affiliates for violating the order by continuing the sale of the devices.

      That would be much nicer, right?

  • Thanks Apple (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Kangburra (911213) on Saturday July 14, 2012 @09:34AM (#40647961)

    If you hadn't made such a fuss about the Samsung Tabs they would not be so popular today, Here in Australia they are very hard to find, you have to pre-order it while the ipads sit in the shops. I am not suggesting that they are outselling the ipad, but there is a real demand which, in part, has been created by the market leader. What a weird world we are in today!

    • Re:Thanks Apple (Score:5, Interesting)

      by firex726 (1188453) <firex726&yahoo,com> on Saturday July 14, 2012 @10:07AM (#40648181)

      Yep, Streisand effect, thanks to Apple I have been hearing more news of Google's offerings then I have Apple's.

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      You are either severely deluded or a troll.

      Apple's market share in Australia was last measured at 84% [idc.com]

    • by Iskender (1040286)

      Yeah, if I had the money I'd probably get one of these Samsungs and run Stellarium on it. It must be pretty good seeing as how Apple feels the need to sue about it.

  • Weird... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by DoofusOfDeath (636671) on Saturday July 14, 2012 @09:34AM (#40647963)

    It's almost like in this sector, patents are hurting innovation. No wait, that can't be right...

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      What innovation? Neither Apple nor Samsung sell innovative products...
      • by geoskd (321194)

        What innovation? Neither Apple nor Samsung sell innovative products...

        Apple had great innovation but two things happened: 1) They are mostly sitting back and riding the iPhone success. There has been lots of evolutionary improvement in both iPhone and iRippoff devices, but no revolutionary improvements like the iPhone. 2) Steve Jobs is dead. There simply isn't anyone else who will take the reins like he did. Apple has begun the slow decline back to mediocrity with the rest of the pack.

        -=Geoskd

      • by alexgieg (948359)

        What innovation? Neither Apple nor Samsung sell innovative products...

        I guess it depends on what one means by "innovation". Myself, I think the only actual recent innovation in the field of anything hardware-related was the invention of memristors. Everything else are just iterations over iterations of the same old resistor/capacitor/inductor, under the same old principles of computer science. But if you expand the definition of innovation to include some of those iterations, then at some point, yes, Apple can be seen as an innovator.

    • by danomac (1032160)

      Makes me wonder if Apple is going to start suing other manufacturers when/if they ever release their iPad mini...

      I bought the Nexus 7 yesterday, and one of the reasons I bought it immediately is because of that thought.

  • eventually (Score:5, Insightful)

    by circletimessquare (444983) <circletimessquare AT gmail DOT com> on Saturday July 14, 2012 @09:56AM (#40648105) Homepage Journal

    The USA, with its abyssmal right wing social and economic policies will mean the USA will fall to second rate status in the world. By then China, Brazil, Korea, India, etc will grow wise to this lame "intellectual property" scam, and the next American Steve Jobs wont stand a chance.

    When that day comes, and other countries say it was us who invtented this aggressive international enforcememt of this completely bullshit monopoly maintenance technique, just be happy there is and was an alternative strand of thought on the concept of intellectual property: no.

    Then maybe we can fnally rid the world of this abomination. It is not ised to protect small inventors, it is used to enforce anti-market monopolistic practices.

    • ... as long as US is the most powerful military power in the world. Since 2-nd World War oil (and by extension - USD backed by oil) was used as primary mean for US to control other countries and as asource of extraordinary benefits. Any nation trying to contest this state of affairs was pushed back with all possible means ("bringing democracy" included). Now as we've reached peak oil, US grip on the rest of the world will weaken unless they find some other means to maintain it. My bet is that IP in general
      • You need oil to live. Literally, a lot fertilizer is energetically deroved from fossil fuels.

        But no one needs IP. Its not going to get to that. besides, military status is a direct corollary to economic status. As the USA's economic status fades due to horrible right wing social and economic policies our military status will fade as well.

        • As the USA's economic status fades due to horrible right wing social and economic policies our military status will fade as well.

          There are so many things wrong with this sentence, I'm not even sure where to start.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by BlueStrat (756137)

      The USA, with its abyssmal right wing social and economic policies

      Apparently you fell asleep in 2008 and just now woke up. The "right wing" hasn't had the presidency for nearly 4 years now. It hasn't had Congress for even longer.

      Sorry. This is pure Left. As is NDAA, Fast & Furious, Solyndra et al, etc etc etc. And now the destruction by Executive Order, completely bypassing Congress and effectively nullifying the law by fiat, of one of Bill Clinton's biggest successes, welfare reform.

      I, for one, welcome our government-cheese, foodstamp, and welfare-Cadillac-driving ov

    • unfortunately (Score:4, Insightful)

      by k(wi)r(kipedia) (2648849) on Saturday July 14, 2012 @12:11PM (#40649033)

      The USA, with its abyssmal right wing social and economic policies will mean the USA will fall to second rate status in the world. By then China, Brazil, Korea, India, etc will grow wise to this lame "intellectual property" scam [...]

      Unfortunately, it appears as if some of the countries you've mentioned are suffering from even more regressive political and economic policies. Take for instance, Korea. Samsung dominates Korea in a manner that would put shame any claims that Microsoft or Apple are monopolies. China's government and private sector partnerships make US defense contractors seem like angels. And note how the income disparity between China's billionaires and the peasant poor is greater than that of the US.

      • and what will it be like when the chaebol and the CPC start wielding intellectual property law internationally?

        it will exactly as you describe, now pointed at weaker countries and trading partners, with the same brutality

        so then you agree with me on the absurdity and evil of intellectual property law, right?

  • Whiny (Score:2, Insightful)

    by jellie (949898)

    Why does Apple need to complain and whine about all these stupid patents? It's already the largest and most profitable technology company, and its cash reserves are insane. Everything it's doing is just like the Microsoft of the 1990's. And Steve Jobs was possibly a bigger asshole than Gates and Ballmer. Except, for some reason, people actually liked Jobs.

    • Re:Whiny (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14, 2012 @12:21PM (#40649137)

      Because Apple has nothing in the pipeline. That is the only logical reason for pouring massive resources into slowing the entry of others into the market. Apple is trying to buy time. In 5 years Apple will be listed next to Nokia and RIM.

  • by Pecisk (688001) on Saturday July 14, 2012 @10:00AM (#40648137)

    ....and more Samsung Androids in the streets. Really smart tactics Apple. Obsessive as your former master. In fact, insane. But who cares if shiny is there.

    Just one simple promise - I will never buy any Apple product in my life. Sorry, you simply can't have it both ways.

  • If you want be her friend, you can't be mine!

  • You know what? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by PopeRatzo (965947) on Saturday July 14, 2012 @10:40AM (#40648389) Homepage Journal

    Fuck Apple. I've been thinking about replacing the 3 year old Mac Pro that I use for music production with a new one, but I'm about done with Apple's stormtrooper bullshit.

    Seriously. Fuck Apple. You know fads come and go, and nerds and geeks carried Apple through some bad spots. Let's see how long Apple's dominant position in the market lasts when people start to realize that the corporation behind those snappy ads and shiny products are greedy, heavy-handed scum.

    I've just decided Apple products are no longer cool. The Apple logo is not cool and owning anything Apple is not cool. Since I was among the first who decided that Apple was cool, decades ago, I feel I have the responsibility now end this thing.

    It doesn't matter if I'm the only one. When I see someone with an iPhone or iPad, I'm going to see them as particularly uncool. I will tell them.

    Watch and see if it doesn't start a trend. Not because I'm special, but because I'm NOT special. If this is how I feel, it's almost certain that there are lots of other people who feel this way because I am not special. The not-special people who made Apple cool to begin with will be the ones to remove their cool status.

    • Re:You know what? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by dew-genen-ny (617738) on Saturday July 14, 2012 @10:57AM (#40648513) Homepage
      Couldn't. Agree. More. There's a reason I've ditched my iphone and will be soon to ditch my ipad.... not that they're not totally cool devices, just that Apple are acting like such douches. I remember how much I used to hate on Microsoft for not being open, not allowing everyone to play and now here we are, Apple are doing the EXACT same thing. Thank fuck Android is open source, this bullshit ends here.
      • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

        by Anonymous Coward

        "I used to hate on Microsoft for not being open, not allowing everyone to play"

        Wait, what?

        Seriously, on their platform MS has allowed everyone to play as they see fit for some time. It hasn't been an issue since DOS days, And frankly, I really don't care that much about Lotus 1-2-3 or Wordperfect anymore. On the hardware manufacturing side of things, MS has not limited who can make x86 hardware in any way, shape or form. Infact, they used to even make versions of windows that ran on a number of non-x86 arch

    • by godawful (84526)

      *sees someone with an iphone*
      "hey man, you're not cool!"

      Good luck with that. The Internet brings out the hyperbole in people, and what an age we live in where we can find outrage in the smallest things.

      • Re:You know what? (Score:4, Informative)

        by PopeRatzo (965947) on Saturday July 14, 2012 @01:51PM (#40649865) Homepage Journal

        *sees someone with an iphone*
        "hey man, you're not cool!"

        Good luck with that.

        Oh, I don't know. There is a significant number of people who own iPhones because they believe it is cool to do so. People who do things because they are cool happen to be especially sensitive to any suggestion otherwise.

        That's why fads disappear so suddenly. One day it's the coolest thing ever, and the next day, someone says, "Oh, that's so last year" and the next thing you know, the fad has evaporated with nary a trace.

        • Most, actually (Score:4, Insightful)

          by Sycraft-fu (314770) on Saturday July 14, 2012 @05:15PM (#40651021)

          Apple's rise to prominence is because they managed to become a fashion company. Normally consumer electronics is quite price sensitive. You don't become the biggest charging premium pricing, consumers just won't have it, even if you are offering something that justifies the cost. However fashion doesn't work like that, expensive is ok, even good. People will pay more to be fashionable.

          Well that's what Apple did starting with the iPod. They didn't invent MP3 players, you could get them long before the iPod, however few people did. Like walkmen and so on only some people were interested. However Apple made them not a tech device, but a fashion accessory. You were cool if you owned one, complete with the white earbuds, cord hanging out in front to show you had one. Suddenly Shure and Etymotic had demand for white earbuds, something nobody had ever wanted before (because people wanted better sound but still the status symbol). People didn't buy MP3 players, they bought iPods because it was the fashionable thing.

          This continues. People buy Apple because they think it is cool to do. Some people buy it for other reasons, as some people have bought Apple in the past, but the majority buy it to be one of the "in crowd". We just saw this at work, one of the secretaries just had to have an iMac for her new computer. She could not give a coherent reason, particularly since all the software she needs is for Windows (sometimes Windows exclusively). Indeed it has Fusion on it and she basically uses Windows exclusively with it. But she had to have a Mac. The real reason was, of course, because the Mac is "cool" and a PC is not. There was no technical reason or business case for it (and indeed reasons not to do it) it was all about fashion.

          Apple is in a world of hurt the day that ends. When that day will be, who knows? It could be tomorrow, it could be in 500 years. However when it happens their profitability will take a massive hit. People will stop buying their devices not for any good reason, but just because they are no longer the cool thing to own.

  • I think that they are actually right about the scope of the injunction. If I remember correctly, the prohibition was against *ANY* sales of the device within the USA, and retailers should have probably returned any devices that they had.

    If somebody else has specific information to indicate otherwise, please feel free to correct me.

  • Google is going to start flexing it's patent muscle and sue Apple out of existence in the wireless market. When you look at the purchase of Motorola Mobility that was the ONLY reason Google bought it, a trove of thousands of patents relating to mobile telephony. Because remember, the first player in cellular was Motorola.
  • Three words: (Score:5, Informative)

    by Issarlk (1429361) on Saturday July 14, 2012 @02:41PM (#40650207)
    Fuck you Apple!
  • Remember when... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by lilfields (961485) on Saturday July 14, 2012 @06:32PM (#40651545) Homepage
    Hey guys, remember when some of you thought Apple was the good guys? That was real cute, you guys. When do we get an Apple borg icon?

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