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Next Apple iPhone To Have a 4 Inch Display?

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  • First Post (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 27, 2011 @09:02PM (#38185594)

    I have something 4 inches to show you...

  • Here We Go.... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by RobinEggs (1453925) on Sunday November 27, 2011 @09:03PM (#38185600)
    Can we just agree that Apple hardware articles are flamebait by default, especially the ones about the mere possibility of new Apple hardware, and stop frickin posting them?
  • iPhone 5? (Score:3, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 27, 2011 @09:04PM (#38185612)

    Why do people keep referring to the next iPhone as the iPhone 5? Let's count together shall we?

    Original iPhone: iPhone 1
    iPhone 3G: iPhone 2
    iPhone 3GS: iPhone 3
    iPhone 4: iPhone 4
    iPhone 4S: iPhone 5
    Next iPhone: iPhone 6

    Now, if Apple decides to call the next iPhone the iPhone 5, then I'll gladly eat my words, but until then, c'mon now.

  • I kinda hope not. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by DWMorse (1816016) on Sunday November 27, 2011 @09:04PM (#38185616) Homepage
    I kinda hope it doesn't. It might have advantages, having a screen the size of a toaster. The only problem is having a screen the size of a toaster.

    I like a phone I can use with one hand easily. This whole post was typed with my right hand only, on my iPhone 4.

    • by grcumb (781340) on Sunday November 27, 2011 @09:09PM (#38185658) Homepage Journal
      So you're left handed then? 8)
    • by jon3k (691256) on Sunday November 27, 2011 @09:13PM (#38185686)
      I can easily type with one hand on a 4" screen (even 4.3"). Have you tried a 4" phone? Did you consider that 3.5" might not be the right size for every person?
      • Re:I kinda hope not. (Score:5, Interesting)

        by DWMorse (1816016) on Sunday November 27, 2011 @10:32PM (#38186154) Homepage

        I previously owned a Droid X, hence my reference to the disadvantage of a screen the size of a toaster.

        I like my handheld portable devices to be handheld. I'm a 6' guy with fairly large hands, great for guitar, bass, and piano. I also have good eyesight, so I don't need a large screen, just high pixel density. /shrug

        It'd be entertaining to see an iPhone "Pro" with a bigger screen, and an iPhone "Mini" that's usable. ;)

      • by SoupIsGoodFood_42 (521389) on Sunday November 27, 2011 @11:34PM (#38186434)

        I think it's more likely that there are more people for whom the 3.5" is the better size. Unless they're planning on having two screen size options for the next iPhone. No idea how likely that is. Apple certainly aren't going to make two sizes unless there they think it's more important than a marketing advantage, which seems to be the main reason some manufacturers are making larger phones -- to "differentiate" themselves", rather than because they spent more effort on R&D than Apple.

    • by jittles (1613415) on Sunday November 27, 2011 @09:28PM (#38185782)
      I have a big hand and actually prefer a larger phone. My 4" screen is great.
    • by MBCook (132727) <foobarsoft@foobarsoft.com> on Sunday November 27, 2011 @09:33PM (#38185814) Homepage

      I agree. I have an iPhone 4 and I really like the screen on it. I remember when the first Evo 4G came out and one of my coworkers got it on launch day. He was really happy with it, but all I could think was "That's one really big phone". The 4.3" screen just made the thing humungous. I like how well the iPhone slips in my pocket.

      The way Apple works, if they did this they would drop the 3.5" model and I wouldn't have a choice if I wanted to stay in the iPhone line.

      Personally, I think this is just more "I made up something about Apple!" news, like the 7" iPad 2 that was supposed to come out last year, the iPhone 4-and-a-half that was supposed to come out between the Verizon iPhone and the iPhone 5 (which was supposed to come out), etc.

      • by whoever57 (658626) on Sunday November 27, 2011 @10:07PM (#38186016) Journal

        The way Apple works, if they did this they would drop the 3.5" model and I wouldn't have a choice if I wanted to stay in the iPhone line.

        Here is where Steve Jobs' design philosophies fall down. We are not talking about the aesthetics of the device, we are discussing how the dimensions of the phone match the user. Hand size, how well the eyes work, etc.. One size does not fit all.

        As has been mentioned by others, I expect the same people who would defend the 3.5" screen as the "right" size will defend a 4" screen as the "right" size if and when Apple produces such a phone. Personally, I love my T-Mobile Galaxy S2 with its 4.5" screen. Yes, it's big, but it fits in my pocket and in my hand. I have large hands, so one-handed operation is not a problem for me.

        • by BasilBrush (643681) on Sunday November 27, 2011 @10:45PM (#38186212)

          Here is where Steve Jobs' design philosophies fall down. We are not talking about the aesthetics of the device, we are discussing how the dimensions of the phone match the user. Hand size, how well the eyes work, etc.. One size does not fit all.

          What design philosophies are you talking about? You seem to be assuming one about having a single screen size. But iPod came in a variety of screen sizes, as of course do Macs.

          The do indeed believe in one handed operation, and if that is made easier for a significant number of people with a 4" they'd consider it.

          I doubt Apple will think a 4" worthwhile, but if they did there's nothing in their history to indicate that would mean dropping the 3.5".

          *IF* the report of Apple buying 4" screens is true, and that's a big if, then it's probably for a different device. Perhaps a game console. They're already the biggest handheld games platform with the iPhone/iPod touch. But there are lots of games genres that would benefit from joysticks and buttons. Or maybe it's for a remote for a TV or full sized console. Or maybe it's for an automotive device.

          • by whoever57 (658626) on Sunday November 27, 2011 @11:13PM (#38186338) Journal

            What design philosophies are you talking about? You seem to be assuming one about having a single screen size. But iPod came in a variety of screen sizes, as of course do Macs.

            iPods with different screen sizes? You mean the NON-touchscreen devices? All iPod touches have 3.5" screens. Macs with different sizes? Since when were Macs hand-held devices? Not good examples.

            The do indeed believe in one handed operation, and if that is made easier for a significant number of people with a 4" they'd consider it.

            The availability of devices with larger screens from HTC, Samsung, Motorola, etc. suggests very strongly that a significant number of people do benefit from larger screens and the lack of a larger screen device from Apple suggests that Apple did not consider it.

            As I have showed that your suggestions don't tally with known facts, I won't bother with the rest of your suppositions.

          • by exomondo (1725132) on Sunday November 27, 2011 @11:22PM (#38186382)

            You seem to be assuming one about having a single screen size. But iPod came in a variety of screen sizes, as of course do Macs.

            The pre-touch ipods didn't have the same app ecosystem the touch ones do so changing the resolution didn't really affect anyone but Apple in terms of software. And on Macs (or PCs in general) you don't generally target fixed resolutions anyway. If they start having iphones with different screen sizes then you have the issues of targeting multiple resolutions because i would think they're highly unlikely to double the already high resolution just to go from 3.5" to ~4". Alternatively they could reduce the ppi but then that might (i didn't do the math on it) mess with their 'retina display' marketing, not sure they would do that. So whilst they could do it and they very well might, i think i would have to agree with you that given their history it does indeed appear unlikely.

        • Re:I kinda hope not. (Score:5, Interesting)

          by symbolset (646467) * on Sunday November 27, 2011 @11:40PM (#38186472) Journal

          There's a certain amount of truth in this. People, and their fingers, come in different sizes, different visual acuities. Some are more graceful than others. Some have purses to carry their phones in, some shirt pockets, some cargo pockets. Some prefer a physical keyboard, others a choice of onscreen keyboards. Some need a cheaper phone to suit their wallet, some more battery life, some more storage, some the slimmest possible device. In Android serving these needs is called "choice." On other platforms it's called "fragmentation" and is held to diminish the main.

          The Jobsian vision is to make the one best phone they can, and continue to make several historical revisions. This increases economies of scale and hence margins. It simplifies developer needs and update complexity so that one app works on all phones and updates can be swift and sure. It gives a great experience if it suits your needs, and the design is engineered toward a human curve that should fit most. Because it delivers a premium experience for the people it's engineered for they can charge a premium price for it. But if your needs diverge from this solid design that suits most: too bad.

          I wouldn't say Jobs' design philosophies are falling down here. By all reports these devices serve so many people so well that customer satisfaction is as high as any product gets, for all products, for all time. Apparently the engineers are masters of the standard deviation and excel at serving huge numbers of people with what they want, even before the people themselves know what that is. And hence the devices are as profitable as consumer products get and then 6x times that. So much so that they gather an estimated two thirds of the profits in the smartphone trade with something like 20 percent of sales. I would call that a win both for Apple and for their well-served customers.

          But if it's not for you, it's not. Apparently there are other companies eager to serve the outliers on the curve like you and me. So many in fact that you can find a phone to suit any conceivable assortment of needs that aren't contradictory. These phones can't run the proprietary iOS, but they do run software deemed by many to be close enough in utility and with a grand assortment of applications. In their eagerness to please these phone vendors get bold and try seriously crazy things: pico projectors, 5" screens, detachable keyboards, gamepads for keyboards, phones that dock to a tablet or smartbook, HDMI 1080p outputs, all kinds of stuff. Some of these extreme solutions become niche markets that don't sell many units - on some of them the manufacturer loses money. In general they're not as profitable as iPhone, but it beats earning $10 on a $200 laptop, or $3 on a BluRay player - and it's honest work.

      • by dissy (172727) on Sunday November 27, 2011 @10:11PM (#38186042)

        It gets even worse as far as rumors go

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzsBwnv_dAg [youtube.com]

        I would love a phone with those features. But I don't believe anything in that concept video will actually turn up on the new iPhone.

        I still have a 3gs, and only skipped the 4 for recent budget changes. The 4s doesn't seem like a great step up from the 4, if I had to buy now.

        But since my phones battery is still going strong, I'll hold off until at least the 5 is out either way.

        If this one is true about the 4" screen, I might end up rethinking that, and just picking up a cheap used 4.

        Short of waiting until launch day and being disappointed, there's not much harm to hope.
        Unfortunately with Apple, you can't make any plans ahead of time.

      • by Dracos (107777) on Sunday November 27, 2011 @10:38PM (#38186186)

        The way Apple works, if they did this they would drop the 3.5" model and I wouldn't have a choice if I wanted to stay in the iPhone line.

        They would also advertise a new iPhone with a 4 inch screen as if it was the first phone ever to have a screen bigger than that of the current iPhone.

    • Re:I kinda hope not. (Score:5, Informative)

      by Hadlock (143607) on Sunday November 27, 2011 @09:37PM (#38185846) Homepage Journal

      5" is too big, the bottom end of a tablet size. 4 - 4.2" is about the sweet spot for a touchscreen cell phone. 3.5" is about the bare minimum an adult male can manipulate. I have a 4" screen (seems to be about standard for android phones) and using a friend's iPhone feels very cramped in comparison, especially for things like reading text more than a paragraph long. 4" is about the bare minimum for extended reading.

    • by ILongForDarkness (1134931) on Sunday November 27, 2011 @10:56PM (#38186266)
      I think they could easily get another half inch out of the screen by using more of the existing surface as a screen rather than a black/white boarder that serves no purpose on the top and bottom. Well it might serve a purpose but they might have found a way to move the unimportant things (like, you know the parts that make it a phone, microphone and speakers) off to the side rather than tying up front of device real estate.
    • by similar_name (1164087) on Sunday November 27, 2011 @11:10PM (#38186318)
      The iPhone 4s has a total diagonal of a little over 5 inches. Depending on how it's done a 4 inch screen does not necessarily mean a bigger phone.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 27, 2011 @09:04PM (#38185618)

    God, we've been talking about the iphone 5 every week for over a year now. I know blogs are desperate for page views, but this is getting old.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 27, 2011 @09:05PM (#38185620)

    Four inches should be enough for anyone.

  • iPod (Score:2, Redundant)

    by argonaut (37085) on Sunday November 27, 2011 @09:10PM (#38185668) Homepage Journal

    A new iPod? Don't the current iPods run iOS as well?

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 27, 2011 @09:13PM (#38185694)

    Couldn't resist...

  • by rjejr (921275) on Sunday November 27, 2011 @09:19PM (#38185732)
    Didnt' we just spend the last 6 months saying the iPhone 5 was going to have this screen? Or at least the iPhone 5 was definetly going to be released in October? Isn't this all getting to be a bit too much Apple speculation? At least the Apple iTV is a whole new project so maybe we can just speculate on that for a few months.
  • Seriously?! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by whisper_jeff (680366) on Sunday November 27, 2011 @09:34PM (#38185828)
    I'm a massive Apple fanboi and proud to admit it but, seriously, we're already posting articles about the iPhone 5? Really? It's literally a year away and we're already discussing it? Give it a damn rest!

    Not to mention the rumour is that the screen is for a _NEW_ iOS device. If you're going to rumour-monger, at least get the rumours right...

    Garbage like that is what gives good Apple fanbois like me a bad name...
    • by exomondo (1725132) on Sunday November 27, 2011 @10:00PM (#38185978)

      but, seriously, we're already posting articles about the iPhone 5? Really? It's literally a year away and we're already discussing it?

      How long do you think it takes to design and build a new device? If Apple are building a new device to be sold next year (if it's the next iPhone and they fall back to their original schedule it's 7-8 months away) then the time when they would be beginning to order the components is now. Whether these rumors have any substance is another matter though, if they are going to a 4" iphone display that leaves questions about what the resolution would be.

    • by ThePeices (635180) on Sunday November 27, 2011 @10:36PM (#38186174)

      "... screen is for a _NEW_ iOS device..."
      So you are saying that the iphone 5 is not a new IOS device? really?

      "... If you're going to rumour-monger, at least get the rumours right..."
      So you are admitting that you work for Apple, and have just given out forbidden information?
      Because unless you actually work for Apple, and are privy to their iphone5 plans, you are just as clueless as everybody else as to Apple's design plans for the iphone.

      "I'm a massive Apple fanboi and proud to admit it"
      I should have stopped reading at that point instead of falling for the obvious Troll. Oops.

    • by ThorGod (456163) on Sunday November 27, 2011 @11:44PM (#38186498) Journal

      It's this or the other thing that's a year away: the US presidential election.

      Choose your poison.

    • by symbolset (646467) * on Sunday November 27, 2011 @11:57PM (#38186580) Journal
      I'm hearing May, which is like 6 months - not "literally a year". The 4s was a stopgap to get the Q4 trade because the fabs weren't ready with the quad-core chips and the hi-rez screens. Tegra 3 and other quad-core Android phones will be out at MWC in February and Apple can hardly wait 6 months after that if they want to stay a premium brand. Innovation in mobile is still accelerating (thank goodness!) Let's be thankful for competition.
  • by tyme (6621) on Sunday November 27, 2011 @10:50PM (#38186238) Homepage Journal

    I tend to agree with John Gruber of Daring Fireball [daringfireball.net] that all of these rumors of larger screen iPhones are just bullshit, except for one detail: a larger screen would mean a larger phone body, which would allow for a larger battery, and would give even longer battery life. Battery life is the name of the game in mobile devices, and the larger display would give Apple an opportunity to get an additional leg up on their competition. It would also be helpful to have more battery capacity if they were upgrading the iPhone to 4G, which seems to need a lot more power.

    While I tend to find Gruber's arguments about maintaining the dimensions of the UI by maintaining the dimensions and resolution of the display convincing, the change in dimensions of the iPhone interface going from a 3.5" to a 4" screen doesn't seem to be much of a concern. The greater concern is that the 4" screen is too large for many people to comfortably access the full screen with their thumb while holding the phone in the same hand (though that could be alleviated by narrowing the bezel around the screen).

    So, while I'd love to bet against the rumor mongers clamoring for a 4" display on the next iPhone, I think that it might actually happen. A 4G phone will need a bigger battery, and I think Apple would rather make the phone face larger, than make the phone thicker, and that make a 4" display an easy sell.

  • by Cyberllama (113628) on Sunday November 27, 2011 @10:58PM (#38186270)

    ""The IGZO technology is perfect in that it offers near-OLED power consumption while having a lower cost and thinness that is only 25% greater than OLED, based on our checks," said Jeffries analyst Peter Misek."

    So let me get this right. It's 25% thicker than OLED and uses MORE power, but it costs less to make. On the face of it, that doesn't seem like a very Appley component choice. On the other hand, getting high quality (Super) AMOLED screens means dealing with Samsung, something which Apple doesn't seem to want to do at the moment for silly grudge purposes. So the question becomes, "Does Apple want to sacrifice product quality in exchange for a small savings and sticking it to Samsung?"

    If Steve Jobs were still around, I'd say "Yes."--he had a well noted penchant for carrying a grudge to extremes. I'd like a bigger screen as much, or more than the next guy, but I'm not 100% sure how plausible this whole story seems to me in a post-Steve Apple era. On the other, other hand, it might have more to do with the fact that Samsung is too big to bully, and Apple likes to have total control over it's supply chains.

  • by mysidia (191772) * on Monday November 28, 2011 @12:46AM (#38186804)

    Are you sure it's for a phone?

    Maybe Apple is planning an iPad Mini ? Or say a "book style" unit with 2 separate 4" display panels, intended for use as an e-reader.

    In any case, with a display larger than the iPhone, but without the iPad 2's bulkiness.

  • by fadir (522518) on Monday November 28, 2011 @01:45AM (#38187044)

    I like that the iPhone display is smaller than the gigantic Android displays. My hands are not the biggest and I can use the iPhone with one hand. No longer if the screen is getting significantly bigger.

  • I don't think so. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Amiralul (1164423) on Monday November 28, 2011 @03:47AM (#38187510) Homepage
    Relevant link. [redmondpie.com]
  • by AbRASiON (589899) * on Monday November 28, 2011 @06:09AM (#38188324) Journal

    and I still switched to Android partially because of the availablility of 4.3" screens, they are SO much better.

    Yes yes I know pixel resolution blah, however they are still quite competent screens. Infact I'll go as far as to say, the reason people think the iphone 4 screen is so good (it is) is heightened due to the 3G and 3GS being so bad.
    No seriously, plug the specs in to a calculator, the 3G/S screen is AWFUL.

    I have 800x480 on my 4.3" screen and yes the iphone looks better at fine stuff but mine still looks fantastic and it's big, nice and big. If I was a public transport user, this is actually an acceptable size to catch simpsons or southpark etc on in the morning on my phone.

    While I'm at it,........ the iphone has only ONE button, all the other buttons MUST be drawn on the damn screen. Options, back, etc - all on the main screen. You might be used to it but I've trained myself off it now, I think the one button philosophy is an utter joke. 4 buttons is not unmanagable in the slightest. This frees up even MORE real estate - and it's consistent (hello apple!) because I can find my options (menu) button in the same location /EVERY/ time.

    Best technical decision I've made in years. Iphone 3 -> 3GS -> 4 -> 4.3" Android phone, never, ever going back. â(TM)¥

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