Microsoft 'Hut' Opens Outside Seattle Apple Store 262
theodp writes "On October 20th, Microsoft will open its 14th store in Seattle's popular University Village shopping center, where it will go head-to-head against an existing Apple Store. To help build buzz for next week's grand opening, Microsoft set up a temporary Kinect-equipped hut within spitting distance of the Apple store, a guerrilla marketing effort designed to catch the attention of the throngs flocking to the Apple Store for the new iPhone 4S. Microsoft will up the marketing ante for next weekend's grand opening, transforming the parking lot between the two stores into a concert venue for performances by The Black Keys and OneRepublic. Any bets on whether the concerts will drum up more business for the Zune Market Place or the iTunes Store?"
A parade and a funeral (Score:3)
Maybe it would be best in consideration of the season and in light of current events for Microsoft's marketing department to reprise this popular event from the launch of Windows Phone.
The free concert series [billboard.com] was a big hit for WP7 - it drew big crowds.
Grr. Link fail. (Score:2)
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That was the launch of WP7 - almost a year ago to the day.
This "Mango" version coming out at the end of the year is the version that is REALLY supposed to work. And they have better bands this time. And they got their mobile OS a kewl new food-based nickname. (How original!)
Yes, any year now they should be ready to compete with where Apple and Android were a couple of years ago.
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What does Microsoft have to sell? As a Zune HD owner I'm disappointed they didn't bring a Zune HD2.
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What's kindof interesting is, I played with a windows phone lately. To be honest, they're pretty slick.
I guess they just fell asleep at the wheel with the crappy old WinMo and showed up way too late for the current generation of smartphones.
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To be honest, they're pretty slick.
I've seen this comment about a lot of MS products lately, like the Office ribbon, Win 7/8, Mango, etc. Problem is, once you press the Microsoft evangelists on what they actually DO better, they can't tell you (and instead just get their mod-squad to downvote the comment to oblivion). As a result, Kinect is one of the rare products they have which is even vaguely inspiring.
Between that, and antics like this Kinect-hut, you'd have to say Apple has spooked them so thoroughly they're putting all their efforts into making shiny products instead of effective ones.
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Spitting distance? (Score:2)
Spitting distance? Ballmer must have selected the location.
aaah (Score:3, Funny)
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Perhaps I should have said "frothing distance", or possibly "sweating distance". Whatever, with Ballmer, they're still all about the same.
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> Perhaps I should have said "frothing distance",
> or possibly "sweating distance".
How 'bout "squirting distance"?
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> Perhaps I should have said "frothing distance", > or possibly "sweating distance".
How 'bout "squirting distance"?
Snorting distance, perhaps. I mean just look at d4 as an after effect...
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Spitting distance? Isn't that "squirting distance"?
It's hard to believe Microsoft would be so willing to show this direct comparison - revealing they haven't had an original thought in ten years.
Re:Spitting distance? (Score:4, Insightful)
What original thought did Microsoft have 10 years ago? Even 20 or 30? Microsoft has actually built some good software on occasion, but they have never had an original thought since Bill Gates wrote a BASIC interpreter on paper tape in 1975.
Actually, MSR has plenty of original thoughts, but what just like Vegas, whatever happens in MSR stays in MSR.
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The original thoughts Microsoft had more than 10 years ago... uh, got me there.
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Microsoft bought Kinect from PrimeSense, an Israeli company.
Next?
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Nevermind that... (Score:5, Funny)
On October 20th, Microsoft will open its 14th store in Seattle's popular University Village shopping center...
Why do they need 14 stores in one shopping center?
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Because Ballmer figured out that he needs to have 14 MS stores to every 1 Apple Store? Also, it's but a stones throw away from Office Depot where you can sometimes get a good deal on chairs.
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On October 20th, Microsoft will open its 14th store in Seattle's popular University Village shopping center...
Why do they need 14 stores in one shopping center?
Because the author is wrong. According to the list of stores on University Village website there is only one Microsoft store which will open October 20th. [uvillage.com]
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The author isn't wrong. The other thirteen stores aren't in University Village.
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No, the author isn't wrong at all, he's just unwittingly exposed one of the flaws of the English language, the fact that one of his clauses is ambiguous in what it's referring to. I haven't looked it up, but MS probably now has 14 stores, but that's the total number everywhere. The 14th one is located in this shopping center. How else would you word this sentence to specify that only the 14th store is located in this shopping center? Without adding whole sentences, I don't believe you can.
To be fair, th
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WHOOOOOOOSHH....
Are you all so subtly implying that there are clueless people on the internets and that they don't follow the first rule to sit on one's hands for a while before posting?
.. or was that just the sound of a chair flying by?
Re:Nevermind that... (Score:5, Funny)
Microsoft has a store?? (Score:2)
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Apparently 14 of them [microsoftstore.com] now. I don't know how profitable they are though as MS has not divulged or bragged about that aspect. Apple retails stores do seem profitable.
I walked in one once. It's eery how they are total rip off of the Apple store. I think the employee uniforms, furniture and paint came from the same supplier.
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Yeah, but I bet people actually buy stuff at the Apple stores.
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And unlike at Apple stores, the employees will be accurately labeled. And generally with mittens pinned to their shirts.
Re:Microsoft has a store?? (Score:4, Insightful)
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Apple has done a remarkable job becoming establishment while maintaining their outsider credibility. It really comes about, I think, from their hippy origins and starting out in a garage. Heck, they flew a pirate flag outside their headquarters for the longest time (they may still, I don't know). When you've been the underdog your entire time in business, and have an anti-establishment culture within the company, that sort of reputation sticks, even when you've got the biggest market cap and everybody and t
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Re: Apple Stores sell more than Apple products (Score:4, Interesting)
Soooo offtopic, and a bit misinformed. The widely-cited ending of Apple's charity program when Steve Jobs returned as CEO was because the company was going under and couldn't afford it anymore. Since they've become profitable, they've done a lot more. Apple's participated in Product Red quite heavily with their iPod lines. Steve Jobs is widely believed to have given a lot of money to cancer research before he died, but simply chose to do so anonymously so we can't be entirely sure. There may have been quite a bit of other philanthropic efforts done that we won't know about because Steve Jobs was a very private person, and nobody cares enough about the other executives there to actually find out about their charitable donations but that's not proof they haven't given anything either.
I actually find it a lot more obnoxious when these rich guys give their money away so publicly. I was raised to give to charity and not make such a big deal out of it, because then you're doing it for the right reasons, and not praise. When you are a billionaire, giving away money is literally the easiest thing you can do. You won't miss it. Let me know when Bill Gates gives up his entire net worth, leaves nothing for his family, and lives as a pauper. Then I'll consider him a saint. Until then, I'm a lot more impressed by the person making minimum wage dropping some dollar bills in the charity bucket and not telling all their friends and the media about it.
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Re:Microsoft has a store?? (Score:5, Interesting)
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/nov/26/business/la-fi-microsoft-stores-20101126 [latimes.com]
http://www.tuaw.com/2010/11/26/lost-in-translation-microsoft-retail-stores-not-matching-apple/ [tuaw.com]
http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/microsoft_news/229401433 [informationweek.com]
The gist of them seem to be that Microsoft is copying Apple so they have the same look but unlike the Apple store the MS stores aren't a good value because they don't carry as much stock and can't compete on price with other shops carrying Windows based computers.
That's always going to be a problem for them. They aren't a hardware company (for the most part) so unlike Apple they don't have a ncie small set of hardware that they can offer at the best price available. Apple computers may cost more than Wintel machines but when you go to an Apple store the price of the Mac is the best price you can get for a mac without a student discount.
You go into a Microsoft store and you see PCs that you can get elsewhere for cheaper. Where's the incentive to buy from Microsoft? Imo, their stores will die out quietly or they'll just sell them to someone who can offer a better deal and probably ask to keep the branding.
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You go into a Microsoft store and you see PCs that you can get elsewhere for cheaper. Where's the incentive to buy from Microsoft?.
The reason the computers in Microsoft Stores are more expensive is because they run Windows Signature which does not contain the bloatware that comes on machines bought from the manufacturers, and is also tuned for optimal performance on that machine. To my knowledge, the Microsoft Store is the only place that will sell the machines with Signature, but I could be wrong in that regard.
Disclaimer: I do work for Microsoft. I also expect suddenly everyone on Slashdot will probably try to burn me at the stake
Re:Microsoft has a store?? (Score:4, Interesting)
In other words, Microsoft's sells the same hardware as everyone else, but they mark up the price and remove all of the extras that other computer manufacturer's include for free.
Yes, I know that most of the extras that OEMs add to their computers are crapware, but try explaining that to your average consumer without mentioning that the trial version of MS Office (that probably ships on the Microsoft Signature version) also fits into the same boat.
My guess is that these stores simply drive people right into Apple's arms. Apple's ridiculous prices almost certainly seem less ridiculous when compared to Microsoft's premium prices. The fact of the matter is that most Windows users don't actually want to use Windows. They just can't quite justify buying a Mac. Jacking up the prices on PCs is not likely to help.
Re:Microsoft has a store?? (Score:4, Interesting)
> Apple retails stores do seem profitable.
You don't know how right you are. They are, in fact, more profitable per square foot than any other retail store, period. [seekingalpha.com] "... more than six times the revenue per square foot at Neiman Marcus, four times that of Best Buy, and about one and a half times that at Tiffany's"
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C'mon, I'm sure Ballmer has a nicer car than that.
pestilence (Score:2, Funny)
Microsoft can have a store at every corner of every street in the world and I'd still avoid them like the plague.
I lost respect for them completely in 1997 (cratered by their previous blunders), so it'd be on par with walking into Walmart.
In fact, both have the same feel.
Childish microsoft (Score:3)
Sure, Kinect is going to make iPhone users want to buy a WP7-based phone...
So they can tranfer my Zune files to my iphone (Score:2)
There'll be decent attendance (Score:4, Insightful)
Microsoft's had a Kinect hut set up on Red Square at the University of Washington for several weeks (since the week before school began). It's been popular - not "waiting in line" popular, but there's always someone playing in there. Well, hold on, there are 35,000 students at UW so maybe it's not all that popular...
In any case, I'm sure they'll get good attendance at the Kinect hut; and if they're selling games in the Microsoft Store I'm sure a goodly number of people will be in there looking. From what I've seen and heard, though, it's unlikely there'll be much crossover success with regards to Windows computers. I know several Mac users who own XBox 360s, but I've never heard any of them say "you know, I think I'll try Windows again because my gaming console is just so great!" People compartmentalize their technology. Most of the Windows admins I know own iPhones (seriously, none of them own an Android or a Windows Mobile phone) - and I've never heard any of them say "I like my phone so much, I think I'll buy a Mac!"
I'm sure a lot of customers will stop by on the way, listen to some music, maybe play a game... and then go on into the Apple Store.
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I believe (Score:4, Insightful)
this just proves that Microsoft doesn't get it. For all there R&D dollars and for all their marketing dollars, piggybacking off of Apple places them in a poor light, a "hey look, we are relevant too" kinda light. Apart from the OS space and the occasional Windows phone, Microsoft and Apple are no longer the direct competitors they once were.
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I wonder if the real reason was to get access to the parking lot so they could fill it up with the concert and concert people to keep people from the Apple store opening. Big concert = no parking left. That could be the real reason if you are a conspiracy theorist.
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They've been doing it for 25 years, why stop now?
Spitting distance or parking lot? (Score:2)
And you couldn't get one photo showing how close the "hut" is to the Apple store? All I see in your photo is a white cargo box in a parking lot. That photo could have been taken anywhere on the planet. If your entire story is going to be able how incredibly close a Microsoft store/hut is to a Apple store *at least* have photos to back up your claim.
And the photos you do have are beautiful. One photo shows the Mic
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So not only did you not take a photo proving the Microsoft "Store" is within spitting distance of the Apple store, you couldn't take one decent photo of what *was* there. All kinds of fail is going on here.
Yeah, I know University Village reasonably well - and I can't tell with certainty where these photos are taken from. Since I can see the Barnes & Noble, I can tell it's on the same half of U Village that the Apple Store is in... but that's quite a large place.
My best guess is this is closer to 25th, on the other side of Fran's Chocolate and the garden shop whose name escapes me (Ravenna Gardens - thank you Google Maps). If so, you can't actually see the Apple Store from this location.
I smell a law suit. (Score:2)
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Do we really need to see Microsoft with its pants off?
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But is Microsoft's butt as firm as Ken's?
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Yes, how else do they keep the stick up there.
When wil Microsoft realise... (Score:2)
But MS does have a cool brand that it controls. It has XBox. It's even managed to give Kinect its own identity. Windows phone 7 may not be able to hook onto those, but Microsoft can create a brand. Relying on the existing brand doesn't make sense if they want to appeal to the trendsetters.
Re:When wil Microsoft realise... (Score:4, Insightful)
What else do they have?
Kin - failure
Zune - Failure
Windows Phone 7 - it's creaking along gaining a tiny bit of market share one month and losing market share another
Kinect - everyone except gamers seem to like them and buy them. At least they're selling them but I'm not sure I'd want to make Kinect games.
Xbox - It's a success in that it's not losing money but is that because it's awesome or because everything is an expensive proprietary add-on and its whole online model is built around milking you for money (ie MS points, subscription based, no web browser and most services requiring a Gold account) and even then it's only really a success in North America. Because of this the Wii has blasted right past it to first place and despite all of Sony's monumental fuck ups and launching 1 year later MS only lead of a few million over Sony. Any little foul up in the next generation could leave them dead last. They could still end up in 3rd place in this generation if it lasts much longer.
Microsoft using legacy support to tie users to their OS worked really well for Windows. Windows will probably always be number 1 for at least another decade. But I think they've really damaged their reputation with Windows. Allowing OEMs to install any sort of crap on top of Windows and allowing them to put it on machines that weren't really up to the job of running it just makes windows look bad. So I think when people don't require some legacy Windows app they go elsewhere.
Some of those people I think are then realising that actually they don't need Windows, love their iphone and then get a Mac so Apple's market share has been creeping up even if there isn't any chance of it over taking MS any time soon. So I think they are a bit scared with times changing and think having a propaganda to push nothing but Windows will some how help.
In a way I think it will only hurt because from everything I've read MS stores seem to be (or were) more expensive for Wintel machines so they'll end up looking like they're ripping off customers.
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Microsoft is not a "cool" brand. It's the brand that people are forced to use in the office because Microsoft has essentially left no choice. This is not a good reason to buy Microsoft.
Not just forced into. People who are not interested in computers at all will buy Microsoft. People who just want something that is common enough to not be too out of the ordinary or avantgarde-ish. If Microsoft made fanboy T-Shirts they would say "default"
"Microsoft Hut" (Score:4, Funny)
Found the store (not the Hut) (Score:5, Insightful)
There's a post in the Seattle PI's "Microsoft Blog" [seattlepi.com] that shows the location for the actual store - it is indeed right across the parking lot from the Apple Store.
I can understand why Microsoft would want to do that, I guess, in terms of symbolism - but I think it's a terrible business mistake. Whatever you think of Microsoft and their products, you can't believe they've got the same cachet that Apple does. People aren't going to be hunting them out - but MS has picked a spot with seriously bad visibility from most of the mall. University Village isn't a big enclosed mall - it's an open-air space where most of the shops are scattered among smaller buildings that open straight onto parking lots. The Apple Store is on a side lot that's set back somewhat, but it at least is visible as people are driving through the lot from the 25th Avenue entrance (plus people are going to be looking for them anyway). Someone coming from that entrance and driving straight in won't even see the Microsoft Store - as they pass that side lot, the MS Store will be behind their left shoulder while the Apple Store will be in front of them.
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Unless it turns out to be hugely popular (I find it hard to believe they are since MS is been so quiet) it'll be a mistake. Having an empty MS store across from a busy Apple store just makes Apple look better.
There is / was a Sony store about 1/2 block and 90 degrees to the Apple Store. Wandered in there once waiting for the crowd to thin out at the Apple Store (it was soon after the iPad launch).
Quiet. Eerily quiet. A bunch of TVs hooked to MTV, some headphones, a bunch of computers at random screens. A couple of employees crouched in the corner. Dark.
They don't get it. Microsoft doesn't get it. I'm not really sure I get what the attraction is about the store but it sure has resonated with a bunch of pe
The Burger KIng of Computer Stores ... (Score:2)
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More of a threat to GameStop than Apple (Score:2)
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This crossed my mind, but not in the way you mention. I was thinking that it would be a huge mistake for Microsoft to put these things anywhere near a GameStop because if GameStop feels threatened they'll tell their employees to start plugging Sony and Nintendo, they'll cut down on shelf space dedicated to XBox, and their magazine will have an anti-MS bias.
So they're probably keeping these things as far away from GameStops as possible. You compete with your competitors, not your partners. I don't think it s
Microsoft and Apple (Score:2)
Mall of America, Bloomington, MN... (Score:4, Informative)
...has an Apple store and a Microsoft store very nearly across the same hallway from each other.
I can't stand the Mall of America but on every compulsory trip I've taken there, the Microsoft store is nearly empty. A few people (my 7 year old included) are goofing with a Kinect up front, a few losers are using the demo PCs for Facebook updates and that's it.
The Apple store on the other side of the hallway is packed, with nary a demo iPad or Mac unattended. Lots of people in the store.
In neither case did I count who walked out with stuff, but the interest level in the Apple store was high.
I thought the Microsoft store was generally attractive, but the whole idea seems unfocused. There's Microsoft products like Xbox and Zune (well, not anymore), the phone and then there's...PCs. Laptops, desktops, but they're not really selling them, well, maybe they are. You can't tell.
It felt like they were pushing the whole PC "experience" and not just the Microsoft vision of it, which even Microsoft didn't seem they could explain very well.
For full disclosure, I build my own Windows PCs but have owned more iPods and iPhones than I'd care to admit (every iPhone model from the 3G to the 4S).
This happened a year ago (Score:2, Insightful)
The premise of this article is that Microsoft is putting a store right in Apple's face. Microsoft's first store is in the Bellevue Square mall less than 100 feet from the Apple store, so this is nothing new.
I stop in both stores often to check out the latest. There are some intersting things in the Microsoft store. My iPhone 4 web browser gets very sluggish when displaying complex web pages (mmo champion specifically), as did my three Android phones (AT&T N1, Verizon Droid, Verizon Droid-X). The w
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buthurt much? who the fuck cares, its not like this one store is going to break MS or Apple.
And by hundreds of miles behind apple, do you mean in the shiny object hipster yuppie market? Because the majority of the real world seems to show otherwise.
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And by hundreds of miles behind apple, do you mean in the shiny object hipster yuppie market? Because the majority of the real world seems to show otherwise.
I consider it very humorous on how when something is not in their realm of refinement/etc then it's suddently "hipster" or "yuppie".
The majority of the real world (as opposed to the fake world... wtf?) buys the cheapest shit they can get their hands on without regard to any side effects or lifespan concerns. There are a percentage that want something e
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That's for computer sales, worldwide. When you look at US stats, it's definitely double digits, and compared to other computer manufacturers individually, instead of against all Windows combined, they have a very respectable share, especially in the laptop market and non-business computing. They're also pretty much the only computer manufacturer that is growing their market share, and rather dramatically, compared to nearly all of their competitors losing ground.
For Apple's other markets, music players, pho
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And xbox live is governed by corporate pigs.
And nothing Apple does is governed by corporate pigs?
Re:What exactly does Microsoft hope to accomplish? (Score:5, Insightful)
And xbox live is governed by corporate pigs.
And nothing Apple does is governed by corporate pigs?
Nope. Apple is governed by hipster hogs.
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Absolutely. Clearly the serious gamers have given up on Modern Warfare 3 and Gears of War and have moved to Angry Birds.
It's revolutionary!!
Seriously, is it really impossible for an Apple fan to admit that there's one thing that Apple does not do better than Microsoft. So much so that they won't even recognize that playing a game on an XBox360 and high definition TV and surround sound system is maybe a slightly better experienc
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I'm not arguing with you. I myself do far, far more gaming on my 360 than my iPhone, and there's no serious games on the iPhone (that I can think of). But you make it sound like Apple and Microsoft are going head to head in gaming, and they are not at all. Each has their preferred market, and are doing okay in their niches. The casual market seems to be a bigger one, though, which is why the Wii kicked the 360's ass and the PS3 is limping in third.
The gggp was talking about Microsoft being behind Apple in a
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That's not my point at all. This was a discussion about the Kinect and gaming and Microsoft trying to market the Kinect and Xbox360 to Apple customers. The person to whom I responded made the point that Apple was superior in every way to Microsoft so why would any Apple user be interested in a Kinect? and I called BS.
No, he did not
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MS hasn't innovated in 20 years.
Windows Phone seems to have quite a bit of innovation in it, probably the most innovation since iPhone was launched (Android is just a copycat of that, sorry Android fans[1]). So they're not completely dead yet.
[1] Android has some pros and cons compared to iOS, e.g. being some bits being opens ource, it's less locked down, using Java rather than Objective C for development and support of a wide range of hardware in various niches rather than just one high end set per year.
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Microsoft employs some of the brightest minds in the industry, just look at the amazing work done by Microsoft Research, it just seems to be unable to monetize and/or properly market its innovations which makes them seem reactive instead of leading. XBox, Windows Phone and Zune are excellent products in their own merits but they way Microsoft markets them make them seem as if they are copying the market leader. They also fail to stick to their products and lack a consistent strategy, they quit on Zune why t
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Has their Xbox division ever been profitable?
Do you mean, recouping all the early investments? If so, then no, not yet.
Or do you mean yearly balance? If so, then it has been profitable for several years now.
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It's particularly odd because The Black Keys have some of the strongest independent credentials out there. They've been consistently published by independent labels and have really carved out their own musical niche by themselves.
So they've made a name for themselves as independent, only to throw it all away now by selling out to one of the most soulless corporations out there. They might as well go whole-hog and start whoring themselves out by making music for corporate commercials.
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Hey, what's the point of building a name if you can't cash in on it?
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Nothing wrong with cashing in on your name, but to call yourselves "independent" while being a corporate whore makes you a hypocrite.
IMO, the best way for a band to become financially successful from their popularity while still remaining independent is to simply make your money playing concerts. Look at Metallica before Cliff died and they sold out in the 90s; they were making tons of money playing giant, sold-out concerts in huge arenas, with pretty much only word-of-mouth advertising. They didn't need
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So they've made a name for themselves as independent, only to throw it all away now by selling out to one of the most soulless corporations out there. They might as well go whole-hog and start whoring themselves out by making music for corporate commercials.
You clearly have no idea how many commercials, NFL games, TV shows, etc. have already paid to use music by The Black Keys. Off the top of my head, besides sports bumper music, there's AT&T, Cadillac, NPR, Nissan (I think), Carson Daly's annoying show, some travel site, and there's been a bunch more. They have not "sold out" in the sense that they have changed their music to satisfy record company executives, or anyone else for that matter, but they have no qualms with making money or being popular. What
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You clearly have no idea how many commercials, NFL games, TV shows, etc. have already paid to use music by The Black Keys.
Actually, I have no clue who "The Black Keys" even are. I guess I could Google it, but why bother, it's probably just some crappy new band. AFAIC, there's been no good new bands formed since the 80s, and I don't really give a rat's ass about modern popular music.
So apparently this band has always been a sell-out and a bunch of corporate whores.
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Watch the opening credits of the HBO show Hung. I believe I've heard their music in movies and commercials as well.
I hate Microsoft and love The Black Keys, so I'm a bit disappointed, but I don't blame them. Being a professional musician and being a sell-out are one in the same. Being independent just means one hasn't been provided the opportunity to sell out. Anyway, it's not like they're some punk band preaching a 'us vs. the system' type mentality.
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As far as I know they're the only ones who where clever enough to put "Shutdown" in their "Start" menu.
Oh wait.
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Yep, and they finally changed this in Win7. I'm a long-time KDE user, and KDE has always gotten this right: there's no "Start" menu, but there is a menu (not named "Start"), that does basically the same thing, and has a way to shut down the computer. This menu only has an icon, no words. So, years later, what does MS do? They get rid of the "Start" and replace it with a windows icon.
As usual, MS can only copy.
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It changed in Vista, not in Win7.
And if you really want to bring the whole subject of copying of UI solutions when it comes to DEs, KDE is a great example, given how it was duplicating Windows 95 L&F from day 1. In truth, all major DEs exchanged ideas back and forth - this means Windows, OS X, KDE and Gnome. It would be very silly to start counting who "stole" what and when, but I very much doubt it would be in Linux favor if you do.
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I think it should be fairly obvious that changing a "Start" menu to an icon doesn't really count as a significant innovation. However, it is helpful (certainly makes more sense than "Start"), and I have to wonder why MS took so long to change it.
KDE copied from lots of DEs, not just Windows: CDE, NextStep, MacOS, etc. Basically it started out trying to be configurable to whatever you want (and still is, to a large extent, unlike Gnome/Unity/Windows/Mac). You like focus-on-mouse? With KDE, it's a configu
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Don't bother dude, you can leech the ISO from me when you get home.