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Samsung Seeking Ban of iPhone 4S in Europe 331

First time accepted submitter KingofSpades writes "Samsung has announced that they will try to stop the sale of Apple Inc.'s iPhone 4S in France and Italy. Samsung believes that Apple is 'severely violating' some of their patents. From the article: 'Samsung will file motions with courts in Paris and Milan seeking the ban, each citing two patent infringements on wireless telecommunications technology, the Suwon, South Korea- based company said in an e-mailed statement yesterday. Apple unveiled the iPhone 4S in Cupertino, California this week and aims to start sales later this month.'"
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Samsung Seeking Ban of iPhone 4S in Europe

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  • Re:which patents? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Tekfactory (937086) on Wednesday October 05, 2011 @02:55PM (#37615804) Homepage

    You're missing out on the why, Samsung has said Apple is using their 3G wireless patents. This is simply retaliation for Apple blocking Samsung's Galaxy sales in Europe.

    If Samsung can get sales of the iPhone 4S blocked in enough countries maybe Apple will stop their patents on rectangular shapes nonsense.

  • Re:which patents? (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 05, 2011 @03:03PM (#37615916)

    I'm guessing F/RAND patents that Apple's already licensed which Samsung wants more money for.

  • by pavon (30274) on Wednesday October 05, 2011 @03:07PM (#37615958)

    which patents could apple possibly be violating that they were violating already?

    This is over patents that Apple has been violating all along. Nokia, Motorola, Samsung and have all been tryng to negotiate licensing deals with Apple since the day the iPhone was shipped and they still haven't come to an agreement. The different companies have had different thresholds of how far they are will to push negotiations before suing. Apple crossed Samsungs threshold when they used a shitty German "Design Patent" to force the Galaxy Tab off the market because it was a black rectangle with rounded corners.

    What it all comes down to is that Apple thinks that it should be able to license all the hardware/communication patents that these companies hold under FRAND terms, while at the same time refusing to license any of it's software patents. Many of the communication patents are related to the GSM/CDMA standards, and thus do require FRAND licensing, but not all of the hardware patents.

  • Re:If you can't (Score:3, Insightful)

    by BatGnat (1568391) on Wednesday October 05, 2011 @03:10PM (#37615992)
    It's ok for Samsung to do it because Apple are a bunch of poo-poo-heads!!!!
  • Re:which patents? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by UnknowingFool (672806) on Wednesday October 05, 2011 @03:16PM (#37616102)
    On the outside there doesn't appear to be many changes. On the inside there have been many hardware changes. However it is easier to call someone a fanboy rather than give Apple any credit. You do realize that Apple was able to put in a larger processor, make the phone operate both CDMA and GSM, put in a larger camera-- all the while keeping the same form factor with a slight increase in weight (3g). I would think geeks would appreciate the engineering it would take to do this.
  • by Genda (560240) <mariet@g[ ]net ['ot.' in gap]> on Wednesday October 05, 2011 @03:22PM (#37616174) Journal

    Yeah, they built a working physical representation of a "2001 A Space Odyssey" handheld tablet computer (or a Star Trek ALCARS handheld tablet, or any of a couple hundred tablet computers described in sci-fi stories over the last 50 years.) Then effectively under threat of law claimed that the tablet was their original idea and that anyone building one needs to pay them. This either makes them brazenly stupid or brashly assholerific. I'll let you pick, please, be my guest!

  • Re:which patents? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Nadaka (224565) on Wednesday October 05, 2011 @03:24PM (#37616214)

    You guess wrong, Samsung wants the right to sell a tablet that happens to be rectangular with round corners in Europe back.

  • Re:which patents? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by kirkb (158552) on Wednesday October 05, 2011 @03:25PM (#37616226) Homepage

    If Samsung succeeds with their intentions, then every 3G phone also violates their patents. They've successfully trojan'd 3G standards.

  • by The Grim Reefer2 (1195989) on Wednesday October 05, 2011 @03:30PM (#37616300)

    The iPhone 4S isn't available to buy, it's not even available to pre-order yet. But Samsung managed to get ahold of one, reverse engineered it, and found it to infringed on their patents. Impressive.

    The way Apple employees tend to lose prototypes of the iPhone at bars, it can't be that hard to get one.

  • Re:Round 3 (Score:3, Insightful)

    by mabhatter654 (561290) on Wednesday October 05, 2011 @03:32PM (#37616316)

    Needs a "popcorn" tag!

    Stuff like this keeps Slashdot in business... Way better than discussing the betterment of humanity with Ipen Sources.

  • by artor3 (1344997) on Wednesday October 05, 2011 @03:33PM (#37616338)
    It doesn't matter if you could build one or not. Apple didn't sue Samsung over its inner workings. They sued because both objects were rounded rectangles, and a couple of the icons used a similar color scheme.
  • Re:which patents? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Vapula (14703) on Wednesday October 05, 2011 @03:33PM (#37616342)

    Dual core processor... what you can find on other (slimmer) phones for months
    8MPixels camera... You also find it on other phone... And the size of the camera is barely different... The biggest part is the lens which didn't have to change.
    Voice recognition, available on Android for long
    There is nothing big about the new iPhone 4S... it's only trying to play catch-up with the other smartphones... And, yes, it's the best iPhone as each iPhone is better than the previous one (otherwise, nobody would purchase it).

    Oh... and about their A5 chip... more than 95% of it is "common IP cores" that can be found in many other chips... ARM core, 3D core, RAM, ... But it's more sexy to say "our brand new ultra-secret processor called A5" than to say "Our brand new ARMv7 two cores, 1GbRAM,XXX 3D core,...chip".

    And iOS5 will probably be available to other Apple devices... Those with older devices being left in the cold.

  • by Microlith (54737) on Wednesday October 05, 2011 @04:00PM (#37616744)

    No, it's schadenfreude. Patents are rapidly proving themselves to be destructive legal constructs, and each case like this simply reinforces that reality.

  • Re:Round 3 (Score:4, Insightful)

    by spire3661 (1038968) on Wednesday October 05, 2011 @04:26PM (#37617040) Journal
    Samsung is a fabrication TITAN. Please stop talking about that which you know nothing.

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