iOS 4.3.4 Prevents Hacking and Jailbreaking 281
Mightee writes "Apple has released a software update to iOS, version 4.3.4, for the iPhone 4, 3GS, iPad 2, 1, and iPod Touch. The main objective of this version is to prevent the hacking in Apple iOS devices which occurs through malicious PDF files. Another objective is to prevent the jailbreaking which occurs as a consequence of the previous effect. In previous versions, the iOS device is easily vulnerable to attacks. It happens because of mishandling of fonts embedded in the PDF file. Sometimes a downloaded PDF may be malicious, and there is a possibility that the file could inject malware into the iOS device, which gives a chance for the hackers to access the hardware of the iOS device."
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iOS X.Y.Z Prevents Hacking and Jailbreaking
Until they move on to the next security flaw. Was, rinse, repeat.
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un-tethered jailbreak
So you hope to see another way that any website can get root access to your device and change the operating system without the connected user consent ? An you consider that a plus on a "critical"(your word) device like your phone ??
-Mind blows-
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Untethered Jailbreak doesn't mean what you seem to think it does.
Tethered jailbreaks require you to connect to a computer every time you reboot in order to jailbreak. Untethered jailbreaks are persistant through iOS power cycles.
The browser exploit is one way to jailbreak (and because of the attack vector, a very important one to block). But it is not the only way to have an untethered jailbreak.
Who restarts a phone? (Score:2)
Actually, it's just a tethered jailbreak, meaning you have to connect your device to your computer every time you want to restart it.
I have an iPhone, I've not restarted it more than once between revisions of the O.S. (which force a restart). To me the need to tether on reboot is incredibly minor.
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Ahh, so *you* dont do something, therefore nobody in the rest of the world needs to either?
Oh, I'm sure you Android owners have to all the time...
You walked right into that one. Fail.
But seriously the article was about iPhones and they simply hardly ever need resetting (except as I said for system updates). For a long time tethered jailbreaks were all people had and it didn't stop a few million people from doing so anyway... many of them not very technical users.
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Might be jailbroken but at least the PDF problem is fixed.
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Not new, not special and not noteworthy.
There are two flaws in the bootloader for all the pre-iPad2 devices. They are commonly referred to by the names of the exploits against them, SHAtter and GreenPois0n. These will not ever be patched by Apple, they are too low level. This means that every iDevice before the iPad2 has a jailbreak for life.
On the other hand, the bootloader exploits will only give you a tethered (needs a computer to help boot) jailbreak, so if you're on 4.3.3 or have saved SHSHs for it, ST
Re:gaaaaaah... (Score:2)
it's been jailbroken: http://gizmodo.com/5821905/ios-434-has-been-jailbroken [gizmodo.com]
Well, of course... Contingencies are planned for. No one thinks that the "security researchers" looking for exploits to enable jailbreaking just stop looking for exploit vectors once they have root access, do they?
IMHO, Mobile device/OS manufacturers should just give their customers (the end users, not the service providers) root access in an "advanced" menu option... Otherwise it's just a matter of time before some of the "jailbreakers" turn into malware authors...
Don't get me wrong; Including a "Go
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Sorry mate but the tethering fee is NOT an iOS issue. I can tether my iPhone to any of my devices and not pay a fee and I haven't even jailbroken it and refuse to to do because there is no legitimate need to. The tethering fee seems to be an American and Canadian thing not a rest of world thing.
Don't blame Apple blame your crappy cell companies.
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I can tether my iPhone (via Bluetooth or USB to a single device, or via Wifi to up to 5 devices), without a fee. Your ~telephone company~ may charge you a fee for doing it. My carrier doesn't charge for it (actually I don't think any major carriers here do - some of them used to, but people bitched about it too much and they got rid of the fees). But it has nothing to do with the phone itself. Complain about your carrier, not the phone or OS.
There are legitimate arguments to be made against Apple's/iOS's restrictions. But that is not one of them. The rest of your points are very valid but it hurts your argument somewhat to lead off with a falsehood - makes you sound like a blind Apple-hater that doesn't care about the actual facts.
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From TFA:
Of course, you should still stick with 4.3.3 if you don't want to bother with re-jailbreaking anytime your phone shuts off.
Or you should not buy an iPhone in the first place. Give your money to a vendor who deserves it.
Yes, why not buy a Samsung Android phone and send $15 to Microsoft - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/07/06/motorola_samsung_patent_shakedown/ [theregister.co.uk] .
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Maybe yours, but apparently you place no value on what you gain from a jailbreak.
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Which is what exactly? Seems to me that as time passes, the value gained from jailbreaking becomes less and less.
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Actual ownership of your device. Sorta like how your PC doesn't try and fight you.
I understand that accepting total vendor control over things is the cool thing on Slashdot these days (especially among iProduct fans,) so I'll just leave you to your walled and barred garden.
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Ever own a Blackberry or Android phone with locked down bootloader?
The fact is the bulk of devices we "own", we don't get the goods for. I didn't get the code for my microwave oven or TV set or HD set top box, et al. ad nauseum.
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Ever own a Blackberry or Android phone with locked down bootloader?
Nope, can't say I have. Never wanted a Blackberry, and I won't touch Motorola or any device with a locked down bootloader with a 10m pole.
The fact is the bulk of devices we "own", we don't get the goods for. I didn't get the code for my microwave oven or TV set or HD set top box, et al. ad nauseum.
Did I say source code? No, I don't think I did.
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And you aren't locked down in terms of apps on the Blackberry anyway. Worst case scenario is you sideload them just fine from your PC.
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Actual ownership of your device. Sorta like how your PC doesn't try and fight you.
You betray your influence... :) You seem to see the iPhone as a PC in phone form. I think most see it as a phone with some extra features, or at least an appliance of some sort. People don't "own" their car software, dishwasher software, oven software, fridge software, TV software, etc. The PC is the exception to the rule. It's not necessarily "evil" for an appliance-style device to be locked down - it all depends on the end user. Some people still get pissed that they can't service their $5 FM radio...
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You seem to see the iPhone as a PC in phone form.
But "a PC in phone form" or "a PC in pocket-size media player form" is exactly what some people want.
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Name one actual real reason to jail break.
FaceTime over 3G.
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i jailbroke mine to run tethering software without having to pay the carrier a fee to use the data i already paid for
then i switched to the n1, and no longer had to power off the device -> hold home button and power button till i see the logo -> let go of home button -> plug in USB etc etc etc to be able to run software i wanted. i owned my device right out the box.
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You jailbroke it so you could steal something you did not pay for.
It is a retarded distinction, and you're as bad as the phone companies for trying to defend it.
you're just a simple thief
And you're a ridiculous authoritarian. Please stop accusing people of being something they aren't.
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You didn't pay to use the data on something other than the phone, you paid for unlimited data for use on your phone. It may be a retarded distinction, but thats what you paid for. You jailbroke it so you could steal something you did not pay for.
What a load of crap. You see other phones allow tethering, my sim card works in those phones and there is nothing (contractual or otherwise) to stop me using that sim card in those phones and tethering so i can use that net connection on my laptop. So i'm not sure where you get the basis for your assertions but they are complete bullshit.
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Or you should not buy an iPhone in the first place. Give your money to a vendor who deserves it.
Why would I want to give money to Microsoft to get an HTC Android phone [slashdot.org]? Fortunately, there are other choices for the moment.
Well, I'm sure you're happy paying Microsoft for the ActiveSync functionality inside iOS... I guess there's always Symbian!
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Why would I want to give money to Microsoft to get an HTC Android phone [slashdot.org]?
Well why would i want to give Nokia or Lodsys or Amazon or numerous others money to get an iPhone? You see Apple - like everyone else - aren't the inventors of everything in the products they sell you and as a result some of the money you give them goes to the people who did invent those technologies.
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I once read Techrights (originally called Boycott Novell) often and still remember that well. Then the news came that MS is suing B&N, and...
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What a stupid title (Score:5, Insightful)
Its as if this update solved all problems and will solve all problems in the future.
"iOS 4.3.4 solves known pdf exploits"
Would have made sense.
None of this "Prevents Hacking and Jailbreaking" nonsense.
Re:What a stupid title (Score:5, Informative)
This is a good thing. If you can use the flaw to root your phone, then so could someone else. But then that would be a less sensationalist article.
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I wish I had mod points to mod this up. Yes it closes a hole that made for a convenient jailbreak. It also closes a hole that could have revealed any of the information on a phone to phishing sites... just because some grandmother opens a pdf emailed her in a spam? Yeah, wonder why Apple got a fix out for this pretty quick... it must be that evil jail breaking *rolls eyes*.
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Yea, look up the words "spear phishing". BTW, while last time with JailbreakMe 2.0 the FreeType flaw was only patched days ago, the FreeType flaw used in this version (I think) was patched in the upstream about 9 months ago.
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FYI from last time something similar happened:
http://it.slashdot.org/story/10/10/24/1651220/iPhone-Jailbreak-Modified-Into-CC-Sniffing-Malware [slashdot.org]
Slides:
http://www.slideshare.net/esmonti/toorcon-2010-iphone-rootkits-theres-an-app-for-that [slideshare.net]
Re:What a stupid title (Score:5, Interesting)
The funny part is since iPhone 3G's and earlier iPod touches don't get firmware updates anymore, being jailbroken is the ONLY way to be free of this flaw in those earlier devices.
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"iOS 4.3.4 solves known pdf exploits" Would have made sense. None of this "Prevents Hacking and Jailbreaking" nonsense.
I would have titled it "Apple finally closes gaping security hole weeks after jailbreak community already patched it." PDF Patcher 2 has been out since at least July 6th. Of course, in order to install that vital security patch, you had to have jailbroken your iphone or ipad.
Ironic that those who stayed inside the walled garden were less secure than those who didn't...
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I know how they can keep the hardware out of the hands of hackers. They should just sell an empty shell with the apple logo on it. It will still sell great!
Backup your SHSH files - NOW (Score:5, Insightful)
It's not that I expect most people to actively *want* to downgrade their firmware in the future. I just like having the *option* to do so. For instance, right now I could restore my iPhone to iOS version 3.1.3 if I wanted to, even though Apple stopped allowing restores to that version years ago.
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You can still save your blobs with iFaith (Score:2)
http://ih8sn0w.com/index.php/products/view/ifaith.snow [ih8sn0w.com]
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Seconded on that. I'm sure there will be an untethered JB for 4.3.4 because the core exploit is in hardware. But, it can't hurt to keep that around just in case.
The SHSH party ends once iOS 5.x comes out though... unless you want to downgrade to 4.x, you either are at the latest iOS 5.x version or nothing. Blecch.
iOS 10 cures cancer! (Score:4, Informative)
As a few others mentioned, Apple has only closed the most obvious hole that hackers have been using to jailbreak the device. There are probably others, and they have been/will be found. If theres anything that we've learned over the past year or so its that you shouldnt rattle the cage. Im not saying that anyone will go about breaking iTMS and exposing the infos of Apple's userbase, but who knows....
If anything this will serve as a good pentest for future releases. Apple has known about the pdf exploit for quite some time and hasnt completely closed it, so people were able to get comfortable knowing their exploit could work with a bit of tweaking. This will get them off their asses and hunting for new ways to break free of he walled garden once again.
Meanwhile, at Verizon Wireless (Score:2)
Waah! Apple fixed a security flaw! I hate Apple! (Score:2, Troll)
Yes, Apple doesn't like jailbreaking, but it would be stupid of them to not patch the flaw now that it's discovered. It would be nice if they were to provide a sanctioned means to jailbreak the device, but that's another matter. If I wanted a device this open, I'd figure out which Android phone was most hackable and buy that.... and put up with the inferior user interface. As it turns out, I HATE inferior user interfaces, which is why I avoid things like Linux and Windows desktops and which is why I boug
Two different things (Score:3)
I know that the /. pseudo-nerd crowd loves nothing more than an opportunity to bash Apple, but all what Apple did here was patching a remote root exploit out in the wild. There's nothing wrong with patching that. Really.
This exploit was also used for the last jailbreak, so this jailbreak is now broken. Tough luck, but a totally different thing. Complain about Apple as much as you want, but please don't complain about them patching such exploits.
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Re:Make something unbreakable... (Score:5, Insightful)
Yup! So keep making those hostile devices, Apple, we'll keep buying them (like fools!)
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I'm with you, why does Apple care about protecting users from malicious access!?
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People wouldn't be loud about Apple patching security holes if those same holes weren't necessary for jailbreaks. I suspect people wouldn't say a thing if there were other, legitimate means of getting the same level of access.
You (as someone that jailbreaks) are as much Apple's enemy as any potential malware vendor, however.
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People wouldn't be loud about Apple patching security holes if those same holes weren't necessary for jailbreaks. I suspect people wouldn't say a thing if there were other, legitimate means of getting the same level of access.
By "people", you do understand you really mean "small subset of nerds", right? *People* just simply aren't giving a shit about this. That's why there's such disparity between comments on Slashdot and Apple's success in the market.
You (as someone that jailbreaks) are as much Apple's enemy as any potential malware vendor, however.
Bullshit. Not a single jailbreaking end-user is "Apple's enemy". *Maybe* the handful of people writing the jailbreaks are, but even that's dubious.
This is the problem I pointed out to you in another post. Slashdotters are notoriously irrational about these types of things. There's
Re:Make something unbreakable... (Score:4, Insightful)
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It doesn't get any worse than patching PDF viewer buffer overruns!! Damn you Apple!!
Is your microwave hostile? (Score:5, Insightful)
You probably use 15 electronic devices a day which have microprocessors capable of running arbitrary code but which the manufacturer prevents you from easily running arbitrary code. Why is Apple the bad guy? They are not the first ones to ever make a locked down device.
Re:Is your microwave hostile? (Score:4, Insightful)
But these devices all can do everything I want to do with them, why bother modifying them? If you're happy with what your iPhone can do out of the box, the same applies to you and your iPhone. But I don't remember any washing machine manufacturer trying to keep the buyers of their machines from trying to "jailbreak" them and turn them into something the creator didn't intend them to be. If I think my washing machine should turn with more RPM, I doubt Siemens or Hoover are going to sue me over it, not even if I create a kit and sell it to others (not give it away. SELL it, for profit).
What else is there that has a microprocessor with "locked down" code? Well, e.g. cars. And for cars there's chip tuning. Not only do people sell that service, but as far as I can tell car manufacturers don't even try to keep them from doing it. Why bother? If anything, it might make the car break faster and people need spare parts, so more power to them!
Care to inform me about any device or appliance that has a microprocessor capable of running arbitrary code that has been locked down AND where the manufacturer is acting like you're a criminal if you try to change that? Aside of i$Devices and cellphones?
Re:Make something unbreakable... (Score:4, Insightful)
like all those Blackberry and some Android devices?
Sure, not like I own one of those either.
I love it when people conveniently forget the other guilty parties when engaging in AppleHate(tm)
Apple is the biggest pusher of every concept that's ever been criticized on Slashdot. They're simply the easiest example, so stop whining.
Re:Make something unbreakable... (Score:4, Interesting)
like all those Blackberry and some Android devices?
Sure, not like I own one of those either.
I love it when people conveniently forget the other guilty parties when engaging in AppleHate(tm)
Apple is the biggest pusher of every concept that's ever been criticized on Slashdot. They're simply the easiest example, so stop whining.
No, the problem is Slashdot goes full retard with regards to Apple. "Steve Jobs wants to control you", "if you jailbreak, you live in fear or going to jail", "iPad is just a toy, and will fail", "Android is beating iOS", "*Apple* has a secret kill switch that you must fear" (although so does Google, and unlike Apple, Google has actually *used* theirs, man times!), "Apple is anti-consumer" (reality: The consumer is Apple's customer, and the consumer is Google's product), "Apple is going to turn you in for piracy if you use iCloud".
No, the problem isn't that Apple is the "biggest pusher of every concept that's ever been criticized on Slashdot" (like, open source software? Open standards?), nor is the problem that "they're simply the easiest example". The problem is that Slashdot nerds are extremely simplistic. If you do *one thing* they don't like, you're evil, no appeal go directly to the 'we hate you' category.
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You misspelled the word "many" as "man". Slashdot hates you now.
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Typical ignorant slashdotter:
What Open Software? OSX isn't open. Safari isn't open. iTunes sure isn't open. iOS is incredibly closed.
opensource.apple.com [apple.com]
What open standards, sure Apple wants HTML5, but they've also patented part of the specification and aren't releasing those patents as is required by the W3C.
Bullshit. Apple has not patented part of HTML5. Apple is not MPEG-LA. They cannot release those patents, but those patents are a red herring anyway. Apple almost universally supports open standards. HTML5 is just one example of many.
They're suing their competition into oblivion with patent claims that are more ridiculous than SCO's were.
Bullshit. There isn't a single example of Apple doing this. On the other hand, Apple, unlike SCO, has actually invented quite a lot over the years, and protects their inventions.
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I suspect it was because no one really cared, and were seen as business devices bought by companies for their employees for the most part. I also don't believe they restricted you from sideloading software unless an IT policy was put in place.
Apple's helped the smartphone market explode, unfortunately they've brought along and prop up so many things criticized on Slashdot that they're an easy target.
Remember when Apple was popular on Slashdot? (Score:3)
Apple's helped the smartphone market explode, unfortunately they've brought along and prop up so many things criticized on Slashdot that they're an easy target.
Do you remember when, not so long ago, Apple was popular among Slashdotters? Back when their primary focus was on computers and not appliances? It's almost amazing thinking about that now.
It would be interesting if there were some way to plot the volume of comments about Apple over the years that have been positive and negative with their corresponding moderation totals. I can't think of any topic that has gone from overwhelmingly positive to overwhelmingly negative in the past six or seven years.
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Re:Remember when Apple was popular on Slashdot? (Score:4, Informative)
OSX absolutely is Unix standard compliant. This means it does have X11, and all the POSIX layers, yes, and we like that very very much. The other stuff you can choose not to run. AFAIK the kernel (XNU) is still open-source and there is an effort called puredarwin aiming at producing a full distribution based on darwin.
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...some Android devices?
Now if only that was "some iOS devices". Choice rocks, doesn't it?
Re:Make something unbreakable... (Score:4, Funny)
...some Android devices?
Now if only that was "some iOS devices". Choice rocks, doesn't it?
Apple users call choice FRAGMENTATION
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The iPhone 3G (the actual product name) is no longer for sale (and hasn't been for a year now). That makes 3 sufficiently distinct iPhones. But even if you consider *every* model of iPhone, that's still significantly less fragmented than Android is counting only currently sold models.
Acting like there's any sort of similarity with regards to fragmentation is laughable.
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The iPhone 3G (the actual product name) is no longer for sale (and hasn't been for a year now). That makes 3 sufficiently distinct iPhones. But even if you consider *every* model of iPhone, that's still significantly less fragmented than Android is counting only currently sold models.
Acting like there's any sort of similarity with regards to fragmentation is laughable.
I can't decide if the GP is serious or not, but you are correct: Three devices and one has two models for different networks. All can upgrade to the latest iOS. Seems pretty simple, especially to the developers I've talked to.
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Well played, good sir! Now excuse me whilst I go to the store and decide if I want the iPhone 3, 3GS, 4 in GSM, or 4 in CDMA. Because they all come with different OSes and capabilities. But I know, that's not fragmentation!
You want the one with bigger gee bees.
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Except that Sony, HTC and Moto are finally opening up bootloaders, and the rest have been open all along.
Apple seems to be the last holdout in relevant circles...
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No, the iPhone outsells any particular Android handset. Now, had you said, "flavors of the season Android phone", you'd possibly be onto something. However, that ignores some context, including that the iPhone alone has outsold all Android devices combined, to date. And iOS on the whole still outsells Android on the whole. This is especially true in markets which aren't so artificially affected like the handset market.
Although hanging around here, one could *almost* be forgiven for getting the wrong impress
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Re:Make something unbreakable... (Score:4, Interesting)
going back to that Apple that would overheat because Steve hated the sound of fans.
The G4 Cube only overheated if you covered the vents. Admittedly, putting the only vents on the top of the computer, which was a flat and a seemingly prime spot to set something down, was a minor oversight on their part. And by minor, I mean the opposite.
Still, that particular mistake is not as bad as when Microsoft forgot that people have carpet in their homes, which led to the original line of Xbox consoles having unexpected errors and shutdowns as a result of overheating whenever the power brick was placed directly on carpet. Really though, Apple's error with that particular model was the exorbitant price for the specs it offered. It really was a case of them charging a premium for no reason other than design, and the Cube was a flop because of it. They finally got the price, design, and specs to a better place later on, however, which is where the Mac mini came from, and Microsoft was quick to handle the power brick issue, so at least they've both learned from their mistakes.
Re:Make something unbreakable... (Score:5, Insightful)
Name one legitimate reason to want to jailbreak your phone now days.
Ownership. No other reason is necessary.
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Name one legitimate reason to want to jailbreak your phone now days.
Ownership. No other reason is necessary.
If you have to jb your phone to feel like you own it then you bought the wrong phone.
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Fanboy is fanboy, whoodathunkit?
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Throwing toys out of pram so early, Apple bitches?
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Name one legitimate reason to want to jailbreak your phone now days.
I'll give you one (there are others I assure you). I'm a software developer. I paid good $$ for my iPhone and if I want to write my OWN programs to run on it and not pay Apple $99 a year for the privilige, then my only option is to jailbreak it so I can put MY software on MY phone.
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I recently read jwz's rant about how you have to pay $99 per year for Apple to host your existing apps.
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to lift wifi restrictions (ie use facetime/skype over 3g, which its able to do just fine), to use my phones 3g as a wifi hotspot without paying $20 a month additional for nothing, for access to your file system, to install different ui's apple doesnt approve of, to install apps apple rejected for who knows what reason, etc!!! i dont know anyone whos jailbroken with the intent to pirate apps.
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Huh?
Facetime over 3G is a legitimate argument. As is access to the file system/different UIs etc.
However:
- Skype: works over 3G just fine without jailbreaking (both voice and video) so I'm not sure what you're thinking about there. I do it all the time (both at home, and when travelling with various prepaid SIMs in different countries), so I know it works.
- Fees for using using the 3G as a hotspot (tethering): this is a fee your CARRIER imposes and has nothing to do with the phone (or its jailbrokenness). Y
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Name one legitimate reason to want to jailbreak your phone now days.
Ok: I want to use a bluetooth GPS with my iPod touch (technically not a phone but the same OS).
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Personally about the only reason I jailbreak is to use BiteSMS now (very nice text messaging program/interface overhaul). Very nice Mobile Terminal program available. I also have been using the cleverly named iSwipe keyboard. Some good games too, like a very well done port of Quake (use your own data files).
If you like themes and all that's another reason, though that doesn't float my boat.
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I jailbroke 4.3.3 because I wanted a wifi scanning/stumbler tool. After jailbreaking I was so disapointed with the program and the pay-me-for-my-leet-software attitude in the cydia store that I happily un-jailbroke and installed 4.3.4. No stumbler app, true, but otherwise not a big loss.
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adblockers? firewalls?
even on android, you have to root to run those things.
but I like being *able* to run those!
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I work with a bunch of pretty wealthy people (the lowest compensated is around 200k per year) and of the 10 or so people in my group with an iphone, every single one of them has jail broken it for tethering, mobile hotspot usage, or many other apps that are not in the app store. I'm not saying many of these things can't be done now without jailbreaking, but often they cost a lot more and feel like quite the rip off.
I only mention their money because you may say they are nerds with too much time on their ha
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Yeah, sure, I want any random website to be able to root my phone. That's exactly what jailbreakme.com does and it could do it without my permission just by visiting the site if the authors wanted to do it. Yes, this is a MAJOR security vulnerability, even if it is currently only being used for good and not evil.
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Except the iPad 2's not vulnerable to those attack vectors.
That's the only reason why the PDF exploit was any sort of real news.
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The iPad 2 uses the A5 processor. It wouldn't surprise me if they are holding back a bootrom exploit until the next iPhone comes out, which will be using the A5 processor as well.
The JB groups haven't said anything, so it's all speculation.