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An anonymous reader writes "The release of iOS 4.3 beta for developers has revealed updates to gesture-based navigation, AirPlay and Personal Hot Spot in the next edition of iPad and iPhone. However, not all changes are UI-related; it is reported that Apple is due to add an ARM Cortex A8 processor to its iPhone 5. Apple Daily, a Hong Kong-based newspaper, reported that Apple's iPhone 5 will be powered by a dual core processor with SGX543 graphics. It is reported that Apple is in contact with a Taiwanese component maker for the A8 SoC. Currently Apple uses a custom made A4 SoC in its iPad and iPhone 4 and uses SGX535 graphics and video support."
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Apple iPhone 5 To Flaunt New A8 Processor

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 17, 2011 @12:49PM (#34905488)

    Rather than paying with dollars, iPhone 5 owners will have to pay with some of their own life energy. Every iPhone 5 owner will be required to give up one hour of their life. This way, with every 24 sold, Steve Jobs lives another day. Every million devices sold will grant Steve Jobs slightly more than an extra century of life.

  • Flaunt? New? (Score:5, Informative)

    by TheRaven64 (641858) on Monday January 17, 2011 @12:51PM (#34905512) Journal
    Uh, the A8 is ARM's old smartphone core. Putting two of them in a package is a little bit clever because, unlike the A9 that everyone else's next generation products are using, the A8 isn't actually designed for multicore applications (the A9 scales to 4 cores).
    • Re:Flaunt? New? (Score:5, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 17, 2011 @01:00PM (#34905658)

      Uh, the A8 is ARM's old smartphone core. Putting two of them in a package is a little bit clever because, unlike the A9 that everyone else's next generation products are using, the A8 isn't actually designed for multicore applications (the A9 scales to 4 cores).

      The article was translated a bit poorly. A8 means "Apple's new name for their processor", not "Cortex A8 architecture".

    • Did you not read TFS? Apple is adding AirPlay and Personal Hot Spot! (Not that they need to really add personal hotspot, every apple fanboi would get a personal hotspot if apple released a line of napkins).

      Look, it doesn't matter how crappy the actual hardware is, it's from Apple. Apple will make it shiny.

      In the interests of full disclosure, I have no idea what AirPlay or Personal HotSpot are, nor do I care, but I will hazard a guess they are old technology for everyone else...

  • by teh31337one (1590023) on Monday January 17, 2011 @12:53PM (#34905538)
    A4 uses a Cortex A8 processor. A4 is the marketing term for their SoC, (Cortex A8 @ 1ghz(800ish mhz on iPhone 4) + PowerVR 430). The next version will probably have a Cortex A9 based chip.
    • by Low Ranked Craig (1327799) on Monday January 17, 2011 @02:27PM (#34906974)
      This is correct. Apple's new processor will be named A5 and is a multi-code Cortex A9 processer. It will reportedly have dual-core SGX543 graphics, up from the A4's single SGX535 GPU, which means that in theory you could do 1080p on the device no problems at all. They are also replacing the Infineon chipset with a Qualcomm chipset that does both CDMA/GSM/UMTS.
      • by Tumbleweed (3706) *

        Qualcomm recently demoed an upcoming SoC based on a dual-core Cortex-A9 that was putting out 1080p 3D video. I think they're planning on 1.2GHz cores, which can vary the clockrate, voltage, or just turn off a core entirely, as needed. Combine that with a smaller process, and that is likely to be VERY power efficient. EVO 2, please *grasping hands*. 2H2011 is going to be a very fun time for smartphone and tablet enthusiasts. I'm already really tired of the whole tablet craze, though. For more info on the upc

    • PowerVR 435* /. needs an edit feature.
  • by duguk (589689)
    ARM Cortex A8? Isn't that the processor in the Nokia N900?
    • Re:N900? (Score:5, Informative)

      by Microlith (54737) on Monday January 17, 2011 @12:58PM (#34905614)

      Yes, the N900.

      And the Palm Pre.

      And the Motorola DROID, Droid X, DROID 2, and DROID PRO.

      iPhone 3Gs, iPad, iPhone 4, iPods, and Apple TV.

      Pretty much every non-Qualcomm based phone currently runs on Cortex-A8 based CPUs.

      • by dudpixel (1429789)

        galaxy s, nexus s...

    • I don't know why Apple does this. Just to confuse the market and make it seem like Apple has some special sauce whereas the reality is that Apple uses the same ARM designs as everybody else, running at the same silicons and Apples "customizations" are really minor hacks to the peripheral support. To me, this comes across as dishonest, and I wonder why they do it especially considering many people will perceive the next iphone as underpowered because of what seems to be an ARM chip from the previous genera

      • Um, you do realize the entire article is a rumor speculating on products that Apple might launch sometime in the future and how Apple will name said products. Apple may call it the A8 or they may call it the A5. Heck it might even be the A4++Ox. We don't know until Apple makes some sort of announcement.
  • by Anonymous Coward

    Cortex A8 = single core people. Cortex A9 = dual core.

    It might be that Apple is calling their new processor A8, like the called their old processor A4. These names, though, are arbitrary and don't reflect the underlying Cortex architecture.

  • Not A8 (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Microlith (54737) on Monday January 17, 2011 @12:56PM (#34905594)

    Holy cow that article is written from ignorance. Never put it past a business rag to get technical details entirely wrong.

    However not all changes are UI related; it is reported that Apple is due to add an ARM Cortex A8 processor to its iPhone 5.

    Holy shit they're stupid. The A4 processor IS a Cortex-A8. I suppose Apple can be blamed for their stupid marketing garbage, though.

    Also, Engadget reported that the next edition of iPad and iPhone will run on A9 multi-core chips designed by Qualcomm.

    Goddamnit, no. Qualcomm does not use the ARM designed Cortex cores.

    Apple Insider reported that the SGX543 is designed to parallel as many as 16 cores together thus the developers do not have to rewrite the apps to optimize multiple-cores.

    Apparently the author of this article is just throwing around words, instead of being aware that there's a difference between the actual processor core and the on-die GPU core.

    Basically, this article is filled with flawed writing based on the author's almost total ignorance of the subject. They know just enough, however, to be completely and totally wrong.

    • Re:Not A8 (Score:5, Interesting)

      by TheRaven64 (641858) on Monday January 17, 2011 @12:58PM (#34905622) Journal

      Qualcomm does not use the ARM designed Cortex cores

      The Qualcomm Snapdragon is a (very) heavily modified A8. Qualcomm has one of the most expensive ARM licenses, which allows them to extensively modify the cores, rather than just stamp them into SoCs with other stuff.

      Basically, this article is filled with flawed writing based on the author's almost total ignorance of the subject. They know just enough, however, to be completely and totally wrong.

      Yes, I think I lost 5 IQ points from reading TFA. That'll teach me to click on links in /. stories.

      • Re:Not A8 (Score:5, Informative)

        by tlhIngan (30335) <(ten.frow) (ta) (todhsals)> on Monday January 17, 2011 @01:31PM (#34906072)

        The Qualcomm Snapdragon is a (very) heavily modified A8. Qualcomm has one of the most expensive ARM licenses, which allows them to extensively modify the cores, rather than just stamp them into SoCs with other stuff.

        As does Apple and Marvell (who has the original architecture license - DEC (StrongARM) --> Compaq (acquired DEC) --> Intel (through litigation with Compaq, and produced XScale) --> Marvell (purchasing Intel's mobile division)).

        Samsung might have one too - their Cortex A8's were modified by that company Apple acquired as well, unless the A8 licensing allows minor modifications. Still, the A8 core used by Apple and Samsung aren't stock - I think the Apple one is actually a bit more modified as well.

        (Fun fact - Apple was one of the original ARM investors (back when it was Acorn RISC Machines) and pretty much made it popular with Newton...)

    • Re:Not A8 (Score:5, Funny)

      by amicusNYCL (1538833) on Monday January 17, 2011 @01:53PM (#34906404)

      Holy shit they're stupid.

      Seriously. Who doesn't know that the A4 contains an A8 and that the A8 (the new A8, not the other A8 in the A4) will contain an A9? Shit, I learned that in pre-school.

      • by sconeu (64226)

        We're talking [topspeed.com] about Audis [audiusa.com], right [audiusa.com]?

    • Re:Not A8 (Score:5, Funny)

      by Jesus_666 (702802) on Monday January 17, 2011 @02:56PM (#34907386)
      Apple revealed its new iPhone 5 to the press. The iPhone 5 will feature two new A8 processors, unlike the iPhone 4, which used a single A4 processor. Basic understanding of the DIN A norm tells us that this means the iPhone 5's processors will be much smaller, at a mere 39 square centimeters each compared to the 625 square centimeter processor of its predecessor.

      The iPhone 5 will also use sixteen Qualcomm SGX543 graphics cards, seamlessly converting all running applications to multithreads. With 35 million polygons times 1 billion pixels, the SGX543 can render video and games at resolutions of 40000x25000, upstaging current Motorola devices that merely support 1080x1728. This will allow the iPhone 5 to natively support HDMI, DisplayPort and SCART display technologies.


      This is Bob Bobson for the Podunk Future Tech Gazette.
    • Also, Engadget reported that the next edition of iPad and iPhone will run on A9 multi-core chips designed by Qualcomm.

      For me here's where it goes from educated guess to rampant, wild speculation without any logic. Most likely Qualcomm will not be designing any chip for Apple. Apple has acquired both Intrinsity [wikipedia.org] and PA Semi [wikipedia.org] in the last 2 years to do their chip design. PA Semi for general ARM design and Intrinsity specifically for mobile ARM. Intrinsity did a great deal of their A4 design then Apple acquired them. For the next chip, Apple is going to abandon the company they just bought? Doesn't make a whole lot of sens

  • flaunt? (Score:4, Informative)

    by larry bagina (561269) on Monday January 17, 2011 @12:59PM (#34905630) Journal
    flaunt |flônt; flänt|
    verb [ trans. ]
    display (something) ostentatiously, esp. in order to provoke envy or admiration or to show defiance : newly rich consumers eager to flaunt their prosperity. ( flaunt oneself) dress or behave in a sexually provocative way.

    Apple flaunts the UI, not the tech specs (ram, processor, bus speed, etc).
  • Confused (Score:5, Informative)

    by mike260 (224212) on Monday January 17, 2011 @01:01PM (#34905680)

    'A4' is Apple's name for a chip based on ARMs Cortex A8 architecture. The next chip will probably be called 'A5', and will probably be based on Cortex A9. A4/A5 and A8/A9 are two seperate nomenclatures.

    Also, to 'flaunt' means to

    display something ostentatiously, esp. in order to provoke envy or admiration

    This is not something an inanimate object like a phone can do.

    • by mike260 (224212)

      Also:

      The release of iOS 4.3 beta for developers has revealed updates to gesture-based navigation, AirPlay and Personal Hot Spot in the next edition of iPad and iPhone.

      No, it applies to current iPads and iPhones.

      However, not all changes are UI-related; it is reported that Apple is due to add an ARM Cortex A8 processor to its iPhone 5.

      What has the iOS beta got to do with the next iPhone's CPU?

      I know that chronically uninformed articles are par for the course on Slashdot, but not understanding the difference between software and hardware is a new one.

    • A4/A5 and A8/A9 are two seperate nomenclatures.

      Even more confusingly, the Cortex A5 is ARM's ultra-cheap line of processors aimed at not-so-smary phones. I'm looking forward to Apple hyping the A5 and Nokia putting a sticker on their bottom-of-the-range phones saying 'A5 inside' or similar.

  • by Pojut (1027544) on Monday January 17, 2011 @01:08PM (#34905772) Homepage

    Here's to hoping that Apple puts a more powerful processor in the second iPad than they do in the 5th iPhone. I realize they likely had the same processor in the iPad/iPhone 4 just to keep things simple, but it seemed really strange to me that a device with a bigger screen (and marginally larger resolution) had the same CPU in it as the tiny version.

    • Here's to hoping that Apple puts a more powerful processor in the second iPad than they do in the 5th iPhone. I realize they likely had the same processor in the iPad/iPhone 4 just to keep things simple, but it seemed really strange to me that a device with a bigger screen (and marginally larger resolution) had the same CPU in it as the tiny version.

      Bigger AND marginally larger resolution? So if the iPad had a 1024x768 screen but a 12" screen, that would necessitate a more powerful CPU than a 10" version at 1024x768?

  • BUY BUY BUY! (Score:3, Informative)

    by Culture20 (968837) on Monday January 17, 2011 @01:23PM (#34905976)
    Good news again! I've totally forgotten that Steve Jobs is leaving Apple. BUY BUY BUY!
  • Flaunt? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by gstoddart (321705)

    Seriously, "flaunt"?

    So, does "having" this processor mean it is going to be "flaunted". "Flaunt" has a kind of negative connotation of waving something around to be sure everybody can see it.

    Maybe words like "have", "sport", "use", "be built with", or "ship with" might be more applicable.

    TFA doesn't have the word "flaunt" in it. Maybe a little less editorializing in the headlines would be good here. In this case, it's just plain not applicable -- no more than my desktop machine is "flaunting" it's quad-c

    • by bughunter (10093)

      Seriously, "flaunt"?

      My first impression, too. My mind's eye pictured a lowered iPhone with the A8 mounted on the outside, spinner rims, ground effect lighting, and an airbrushed graphic of a busty chica in a bikini sporting a Bob Dobbs tattoo on her navel.

  • by fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) on Monday January 17, 2011 @02:00PM (#34906524) Journal
    You really have to hand it to Apple: Very few other companies garner headlines for what amounts to "Pre-release software build indicates that version N+1 of product X will incorporate version N+1 of the assorted off-the-shelf hardware that went into version N".

    Seriously. There is a reasonably limited set of companies with performance-oriented ARM SoC designs. There is a similarly fairly limited set of GPU options for power constrained scenarios. Shockingly enough, Apple(just like everybody else) is pretty much going to combine the most recent one of each that they can shoehorn into their design and production process and go from there.

    In other news, the next Mac Pro will probably have a newly released Xeon in it...
    • You really have to hand it to Apple: Very few other companies garner headlines for what amounts to "Pre-release software build indicates that version N+1 of product X will incorporate version N+1 of the assorted off-the-shelf hardware that went into version N".

      Except that Apple has nothing to do with the articles. Their typical response to questions about their future products has always been: "We do not comment about future products." These articles comes from every "expert" on the web making speculation on what Apple will do next in order to get more clicks.

      • That is why Apple is impressive: anybody can(and many do) kick out press releases about whatever humdrum marchitecture or rebranding initiative they are vomiting on the public today; but Apple has an RDF so strong that there is an entire industry of "analyst" hacks who do that for them, entirely voluntarily...
        • I do not think you know what RDF [wikipedia.org] is. RDF is not web analysts speculating on Apple's next product. That is a byproduct of Apple's very guarded disclosures about their upcoming products. Apple is not alone in this regard. When Alan Greenspan was chairman of the Federal Reserve, financial analysts hinged on his every word and nuance because he rarely telegraphed his moves concerning the Fed. When he said some markets might show "irrational exuberance", markets around the world slumped based on his use of
  • bbbbbbbut fragmentation!!!
  • by seebs (15766) on Monday January 17, 2011 @03:23PM (#34907840) Homepage

    Unless the package says "Now with A8 Processor!" or something similar, it's not flaunting the A8. Given Apple's general refusal to put any kind of hardware specs they can avoid on packaging for these devices, it seems very, very, unlikely that they will "flaunt" anything so meaningless to the average reader.

  • Yeah I'd totally hit some of that hot piece of ass Apple is flaunting in Main road.

    Oh wait I got confused. They are utilising an upgraded processor in their upcoming iPhone refresh.

I'd rather just believe that it's done by little elves running around.

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