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Apple Announces New iPods, iTunes 10, Social Network, AppleTV 579

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Steve Jobs gave his iPod keynote this morning. He started with iOS 4.1 and Game Center which will be coming out next week. iOS 4.2 will add printing to the iPad and will be out in November. The new iPod Shuffle has buttons again, and costs $49. The new iPod Nano has a tiny multi-touch screen, and an FM radio, and starts at $149. The new (thinner) Touch has the iPhone 4 screen, an A4 chip, and FaceTime over WiFi, starting at $229 for 8GB. They all ship next week. iTunes 10 looks the same, but adds a social network called "Ping," which basically looks like Last.fm integrated, and should be out today. AppleTV is updating: 1/4th the size, no purchases — only rentals. 99 cents for TV rentals (ABC & Fox), Netflix on Demand built in, and for $99.
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Apple Announces New iPods, iTunes 10, Social Network, AppleTV

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  • iOS 4.2 will add printing to the iPad... About. Fucking. Time!
    • Re:Really? (Score:5, Funny)

      by MrEricSir (398214) on Wednesday September 01, 2010 @02:19PM (#33438856) Homepage

      They've always had this feature, see?
      http://appadvice.com/appnn/2010/04/humor-ipad-printing-simple/ [appadvice.com]

    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by Nimey (114278)

      But why would you want to print to the iPad?

      • Re:Really? (Score:4, Funny)

        by ArhcAngel (247594) on Wednesday September 01, 2010 @02:50PM (#33439258)

        So does the iPad have print drivers to print to the Kindle?

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by fyngyrz (762201)

      I suppose. For me -- and I'm really invested in Apple hardware, both for myself and my family (5 mac users) -- there's nothing here of interest.

      The iPad (which yes, we own two of) still lacks cameras and IR emission, needs a flat, un-wobbly back, still has enough wasted sq inches of bezel area to fit an iPod Touch into, still is bound to AT&T, still is too low-res to properly display even 720p, still lacks CF, SD and USB connections, still syncs by cable, still charges by cable, and still has a paltr

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by Sycraft-fu (314770)

        Well if you've been an Apple fan for any amount of time you should know that they will not ever, at least as long as Jobs is around, produce a consumer tower. There has been hue and cry for one for as long as I can remember, and they ones that the clone makers made during that brief time did well. Apple does not care, they will not produce it for some reason.

        As for cable charging, what other kind of charging do you suggest? Power does not travel through the air well, that whole inverse square law bites you

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by jgagnon (1663075)

          I sometimes think Apple is a social experiment that is trying to see how far it can push people to buy things they didn't ask for but now want because they've seen them.

          As for the charging thing... maybe they were referring to a cable connected to a computer instead of a wall outlet?

      • Re:Really? (Score:5, Insightful)

        by CaptCanuk (245649) on Wednesday September 01, 2010 @05:17PM (#33441512) Journal

        The iPad (which yes, we own two of) still lacks cameras and IR emission, needs a flat, un-wobbly back, still has enough wasted sq inches of bezel area to fit an iPod Touch into, still is bound to AT&T, still is too low-res to properly display even 720p, still lacks CF, SD and USB connections, still syncs by cable, still charges by cable, and still has a paltry 512 mb of memory, which, when they eventually get around to implementing multitasking, means that what you're actually going to get is something on the order of windows 3.1 multitasking with a few services, not actual task switching, etc. And it still costs *way* too much.

        Look at your post, now look at mine, now look back at yours and wonder what's wrong with it, and then look at mine to find out:
        - cameras - why does the iPad need "cameras" (plural)? Do you want to be "that" guy holding something the size of a book up to take a picture?
        - IR emission - I'm guessing you want to replace your remote control with the iPad for some reason. I guess you've never owned a Palm Pilot or a Windows CE device with their IR emitters that were next to useless. If you really wanted to replace your remote, you need both a transmitter and receiver to capture IR codes that aren't supported
        - Bezel wastage - go complain about that on every other device you own that has a screen - your TV, your laptop, your cellphones, your alarm clock. If you cut that bezel off, try using your iPad without blocking the screen.
        - AT&T - I'm sorry you live in the US of A - us other Americans don't have this problem. There's also the option of not getting the 3G model.
        - 720p - the iPad is 768p. 720p 768p in terms of vertical lines.
        - CF - really? You really want to support that? I'm sorry you bought an SLR from 4 years ago - a form factor that is nearly fully dead. Nonetheless, a slot that size in a device that small is asking for gunk to end up in it.
        - USB - there's a simplicity in not having this: it prevents people from asking how come device X doesn't work. It's a bus where almost anything can be attached. It draws power. You'll notice that Apple sells the cable connector add-ons with a USB port as a "camera connection kit". It's to weed out the guy who attaches his USB powered nerf gun.
        - 512 mb of memory - Each iPad you have has only 256MB of system memory. You did say you had 2 iPad's so maybe you meant together :)
        - multitasking - Your comparison to Windows 3.1 begs me to believe you don't understand how multitasking works on iOS 4.x. Feel free to Google.com it to understand more. Comparing to the iPad specs, back when Windows 95 launched, the fastest processor was a Pentium running at 233MHz and having 64MB of RAM would have been amazing. If applications for desktops were written with more care, you wouldn't have to keep buying a faster CPU and more memory every 2 years to run the same family of applications.

        Anyhow, I'm on a horse ...

    • by yuriyg (926419)

      iOS 4.2 will add printing to the iPad...

      Apple just invented printing!

  • Nothing but Microsoft commercials on it, right?
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Pojut (1027544)

      It will be interesting to see how it compares to GoogleTV once that launches. If GoogleTV does even half of what they say it will, things will get mighty interesting mighty quick.

  • why no AM as well?

  • by line-bundle (235965) on Wednesday September 01, 2010 @02:05PM (#33438624) Homepage Journal

    This sounded like a hammer nailing the first nail into the facebook coffin.

    Take my word: Ping is the Next Big Thing(tm)(sm)(c).

    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward

      We need an extraction team in here, now! This man has been fully swallowed by the RDF!

    • Re:Facebook dead (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Crash Culligan (227354) on Wednesday September 01, 2010 @02:21PM (#33438870) Journal

      line-bundle: This sounded like a hammer nailing the first nail into the facebook coffin.

      Take my word: Ping is the Next Big Thing(tm)(sm)(c).

      I can't tell if you're being serious or not, but I'm more inclined to believe you are.

      First off, they are not going to overtake the likes of Facebook by following it, and the first thing I thought when I saw the Ping design is, "What, did they reskin Facebook or something?"

      Second, integration with iTunes does not a social network make. It's a good start making it extraordinarily convenient to a lot of people, but what ultimately makes or breaks a social network is two things: 1) how many people actually make use of it, and 2) how the owners handle people who cause trouble, whether being disruptive, destructive, or dissident. In that second regard, Apple has a somewhat dubious history.

    • by vivek7006 (585218)

      Oh yeah! Facebook is like totally dead. Especially since installing crappy, bloated iTunes is so easy and way better that using facebook on a browser!

    • by Mongoose Disciple (722373) on Wednesday September 01, 2010 @02:30PM (#33439010)

      Nah. It's not killing Facebook. It's just a further fragmenting of the social networking world.

      You've got Facebook for social networking with most of the people you know.

      You've got MySpace for networking with the teenagers you know that are still living in 2005.

      You've got Twitter for the people you know who think you'd like a play by play of every meaningless event of their day, or who like to regurgitate political talking points in 140 character form.

      You've got LinkedIn for people you know professionally.

      Now you'll have Ping for the hipster douchebags you know. Since some people are or know a lot of douchebags, it could be a big success, but I still don't see it overtaking Facebook at this point.

      • by srussia (884021)

        Nah. It's not killing Facebook. It's just a further fragmenting of the social networking world.

        You've got Facebook for social networking with most of the people you know.

        You've got MySpace for networking with the teenagers you know that are still living in 2005.

        You've got Twitter for the people you know who think you'd like a play by play of every meaningless event of their day, or who like to regurgitate political talking points in 140 character form.

        You've got LinkedIn for people you know professionally.

        Now you'll have Ping for the hipster douchebags you know. Since some people are or know a lot of douchebags, it could be a big success, but I still don't see it overtaking Facebook at this point.

        You forgot Orkut.

  • Apple TV, and I do enjoy it. But going to "rentals only" is sure a load of shit. I don't mind paying for TV I like, but if I am going to be forced to "rent" shows I'd like to watch a few times, I'll just go buy DVD's then.

    But, the netflix addition is nice, but they don't have enough content to view on demand anyway.
    • by luiss (217284) on Wednesday September 01, 2010 @02:09PM (#33438676)

      You can stream from your computer.

      • by JakiChan (141719)

        I'm gonna bet it will only stream videos that can play in iTunes. That would rule my subtitled anime mkv files right out.

      • The problem then is that you have you have to have your computer turned on and have iTunes running. Not a huge inconvenience, in the grand scheme of things, but if I'm downstairs and decide I want to watch something, I then have to run upstairs and turn everything on, log on, start up iTunes and then go back down again.

        With my current AppleTV I have the internal drive full of my favourite movies and TV shows and it works quite happily as a stand-alone device. If I buy movies from the AppleTV they eventually

      • by timeOday (582209) on Wednesday September 01, 2010 @04:01PM (#33440374)
        Don't new TV's basically have "AppleTV" built in? Newer Sony TVs (and I imagine other brands) can stream from computer (DNLA), stream from Internet (including netflix, with Hulu joining next month), can play pictures/movies from USB storage... what else does AppleTV do?
        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by Marcika (1003625)

          Don't new TV's basically have "AppleTV" built in? Newer Sony TVs (and I imagine other brands) can stream from computer (DNLA), stream from Internet (including netflix, with Hulu joining next month), can play pictures/movies from USB storage... what else does AppleTV do?

          Link with your iTunes account for a seamless movie buying^Wrenting experience. Link with Mac and iTunes for photo album and music album playback. Have a pretty UI. Provide a monoculture with a large enough installed base for snazzy apps to be developed.

          Now I don't like the piece of bloat that is iTunes/iTMS and thus won't purchase any product that requires it -- but there are tens of millions of people who do (and tens of millions more who won't even know what iTunes is, but would love an easy-to-use old-pe

  • Market Dominance (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Haffner (1349071)

    The new iPod Touch is going to dominate the market. It's better than many point and shoot cameras, it's better than pretty much every other media player, it beats out flip video recorders, it has extensive gaming platform options, and it's good enough for watching media on.

    I don't love Apple, but it looks like they've created the gadget for teenagers or people who rely on a non-iphone as their primary phone.

    • Re:Market Dominance (Score:4, Informative)

      by kdogg73 (771674) on Wednesday September 01, 2010 @02:17PM (#33438808) Homepage

      OT:

      "Going to war without the French is like going deer hunting without your accordion." ~General Norman Schwarzkopf

      I liked that quote so much, I had to look it up. According to Snopes, Jed Babbin said that [snopes.com].

      Carry on.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      It's better than many point-and-shoot cameras? That's simply an absurd claim. I suppose, however, that instead of actually judging it upon what the pictures look like, modern cameras are now ranked based on how well you can share your (bad) pictures on (bad) websites so you can show your (bad) friends your (bad) adventures.
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by tgibbs (83782)

        The automated HDR looks like a very cool feature, and addresses what I find to be the biggest limitation of simple cameras--the limited dynamic range with automatic exposure. I don't know of any point-and-shoot camera that does this.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 01, 2010 @02:28PM (#33438978)
      "Better than many point and shoot cameras"? You must be joking.

      It has two cameras. One is 0.3 megapixels, one is 0.6 megapixels. Both have cheap, plastic, fixed focus, fixed focal length "lenses". Both have absolutely tiny sensors like the typical cellphone cam, vastly smaller than even a cheap entry-level point-and-shoot camera, and microscopic compared to the sensors in many cameras.

      It doesn't "beat out" Flip's products, either. It just barely matches them on feature set -- not a difficult task, because the Flip recorders are likewise extremely poorly specified, and sold mostly on hype.

      The iPod Touch isn't a replacement for even the cheapest dedicated camera. It will slightly edge out absolute bottom of the line camera phones, and that's about it.
    • Re:Market Dominance (Score:4, Informative)

      by WillAdams (45638) on Wednesday September 01, 2010 @02:34PM (#33439078) Homepage

      You said:

      ``It's better than many point and shoot cameras''

      According to:

      http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/specs.html [apple.com]

      it has ``still photos (960 x 720) with back camera''

      If it had the same camera capabilities as the iPhone, I'd agree --- but either those numbers are wrong, or it's seriously crippled as a camera.

      William

    • by Ilgaz (86384)

      If I wasn`t living in one of countries which Apple/MPAA/RIAA whatever makes impossible to buy/rent stuff from iTMS, I would order Apple TV right now.

      If it has no hidden evil terms, 100 dollars, quicktime/itms, I am sold.

  • by Steauengeglase (512315) on Wednesday September 01, 2010 @02:09PM (#33438686)

    That's gonna be awesome for internet help-desk workers. How about creating a Flickr clone and calling it iFconfig?

  • by sherpajohn (113531) on Wednesday September 01, 2010 @02:10PM (#33438698) Homepage

    We got a few significant OS X 10.6 updates today - firmware, graphics and security. Well maybe not today, MacBook has not been on for a few days...darned wedding.

  • I thought John Mayer was the go-to artist to show up at Apple events....
  • by thestudio_bob (894258) on Wednesday September 01, 2010 @02:22PM (#33438888)

    They listed the top things users were requesting for a new AppleTV, but I have a sneaking suspicion that their users were maybe the content providers.

    Seriously... the number one requested feature is a frick'n DVR!!!

    • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 01, 2010 @02:52PM (#33439288)

      They listed the top things users were requesting for a new AppleTV, but I have a sneaking suspicion that their users were maybe the content providers.

      Seriously... the number one requested feature is a frick'n DVR!!!

      Call your cable company - the system that was *supposed* to make it possible to build DVRs that worked on any network (CableCard) is an unmitigated clusterfuck, mostly due to providers not wanting to give up the $5/mo "box rental" business.

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by samkass (174571)

      Seriously... the number one requested feature is a frick'n DVR!!!

      What they've given you instead is a way to cancel the DVR service ($10/mo) and cable service ($60/mo) and instead get the 10-20 episodes you actually watch for $0.99 each without missing anything or getting overwritten by a President's speech. It's a la carte television! If Comcast let us pay for only what we watched you'd be dancing in the streets. Instead people love to find a way to hate Apple.

      TiVo already does DVR pretty well. What cou

  • I use a Shuffle to play nasty industrial "music" to get me through gym sessions. The gen. 2 Shuffle worked very nicely, but eventually succumbed to some combination of sweat and battery cycle limit. The gen. 3 that I got to replace it has been a bitter disappointment.

    I can only hope that the newly announced Shuffle has cured itself of the extreme idiocy of having the controls embedded in the earphone cord. "Ear buds" do not work for me - they fail to block external noise, and they fall out of my presu

    • by Yvan256 (722131)

      That's the fourth generation iPod shuffle. Almost the same as the second generation, a tiny bit smaller, with playlists and voiceover.

    • I love the theory of ear bud controls, but the practice seems to have a lot of flaws. I got a fancy set of ear buds with my iPhone that allow me to control the iPod functionality (and are also the mike when I use the phone function). If I'm just walking down the street they work great. They also work fine as a telephone headset. The problem comes when I attempt to jog with them, which as it happens, is the primary intended use for headphones on the device for me.

      I start to sweat, and beads of water run

  • I was hoping they would be adding bluetooth into the nano. That would have been a reason for me to buy a new one. I don't like those bluetooth add-on accessories, it would be a lot nicer if it was integrated in.
  • I had been hoping for (but not expecting) an AppleTV capable of working with 1080p (or at least 1080i) video. Instead, they went the other direction, making it tiny, less power-hungry, and cheaper.

    Many folks will probably be happy with this one, but I would have liked something more DVR-like to go with my OTA antenna and MythTV/Plex setup.

    For those keeping score at home, Plex just went to v9 and is supposedly even more awesome.

  • by ad454 (325846) on Wednesday September 01, 2010 @03:09PM (#33439504)

    Even though a large percent of apps in the iTunes app store are location aware and require GPS to work properly, it is very disappointing that the new iPod Touch (and the current WiFi only iPad) does not have a GPS receiver yet. It is very useful to have turn-by-turn GPS navigation, current location weather forecasts, gas prices, and other services all running on an iPod Touch and WiFi iPad as well as they run on the iPhone and iPad 3G.

  • by Lumpy (12016) on Wednesday September 01, 2010 @03:35PM (#33439950) Homepage

    This is the change that EVERYONE was waiting for. This puts Tv on demand at the pricepoint that even cheap-ass ol' me will even pay. That's $12.00 a year per TV show (as most tv shows are half assed and only release 12 episodes a year / season) So if I get rid of Comcast or Dish at even the low price rate of $39.00 a month. I can watch 39 specific TV show episodes per month for the same price. This is far more than I can watch anyways because 99% of what is on cableTV sucks. And these are commercial free.

    This means I'll pay about 1/3rd of what I pay for cableTV a month to get the programming I want. The ONLY problem is that TV shows like Colbert Report and Daily show are 4 times a week, and I cant see the audience of those tv shows paying $32.00 a month just to watch those two shows.

    Now, what I want to know is does the interface give me a custom "shows I like" menu that will show that I have not watched or what is new, or will it be like the crappy current interface where I have to go searching for everything......

    Steve said over and over "it is easy to use" well; easy to use is a menu of only my stuff I like....

    • by demonbug (309515) on Wednesday September 01, 2010 @04:05PM (#33440424) Journal

      No way I'd pay $1 to watch a TV episode once. Don't know about others, but assuming a $1 price point to own a song is more or less legitimate, can't see paying that much for a single viewing of a TV show. I value the vast majority of TV shows less than a single good song, so even $1 to own a TV show episode is pushing it (this may be why the only TV shows I own copies of are Firefly, Flying Circus, and Fawlty Towers).

  • New Nano? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Gothic_Walrus (692125) on Wednesday September 01, 2010 @04:40PM (#33440942) Journal

    Did anybody want a touchscreen Nano? Better yet, what good does a touch screen that's about an inch and a half square do anybody? I have a feeling that my stupidly large hands would be completely unable to operate the new Nano, and I know I can't be alone there.

    This seems like a design regression. I know that touchscreens are sexier than the old wheel was, but was there really anything wrong with the old Nano design that warranted throwing it out entirely?

    • Re:New Nano? (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Abcd1234 (188840) on Wednesday September 01, 2010 @10:21PM (#33444852) Homepage

      Did anybody want a touchscreen Nano? Better yet, what good does a touch screen that's about an inch and a half square do anybody?

      That's dead easy for anyone who spends more than 10 seconds thinking about it: how else do you build a device that compact with both a display *and* a control interface, save by combining the two?

  • by sootman (158191) on Wednesday September 01, 2010 @09:21PM (#33444476) Homepage Journal

    ... is a decade-plus-old Palm--why, exactly?

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