Steve Jobs Recommends Android For Fans of Porn 909
hansamurai writes "After being asked about the App Store's recent ban on 'sexy apps,' Steve Jobs responded, 'We do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep porn off the iPhone. Folks who want porn can buy an Android phone. You know, there's a porn store for Android, you can download nothing but porn. You can download porn, your kids can download porn. That's a place we don't want to go, so we're not going to go there.' Apps such as Playboy's and the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition are still available on the App Store, however, as they come from 'more reputable companies.'"
So does he own any android phones? (Score:5, Funny)
Or he only watches "reputable porn"?
Wow (Score:5, Interesting)
No, but he's a hypocritical fuck. (Score:5, Insightful)
Steve Job, today's "moral apostle" on the iPhone, is the same hypocritical fuck who fathered a girl and denied it [cnn.com], yet proclaims his moral superiority to the rest of us because of porn? Steve Jobs doesn't give a flying fuck about porn. It's just more pandering to the Disney crowd. There's nothing wrong with that, but it would be nice if he had the balls to admit it.
Re:Slashdot is out of touch with reality (Score:4, Insightful)
Slashdot is seriously out of touch with reality regarding Apple.
So it is ok for Apple/Jobs to be self-righteous and sanctimonious, as long as they are profitable? What if they starting losing money, would you then find his words offensive? Perhaps some people find it offensive purely on the basis of it restricting your liberty with hardware you paid dearly for.
What are you, a stockholder or just a tool?
In other news... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:In other news... (Score:4, Informative)
For about ten minutes before customers realized that they could still get porn using Safari and that iTunes gladly lets them transfer their porn videos to the iPhone.
Re:In other news... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:In other news... (Score:5, Informative)
Ripping a DVD for your own use is legal. DECRYPTING it with an unauthorized backup tool is not thanks to the DMCA, but the vast majority of porn DVD's have no copy protection, in which case the DMCA doesn't come into play.
Not to mention that there are sites that already cater to this. www.videobox.com for example even has an "iPod" option on their video downloads that downloads a MPEG4 file already optimized for placeback on an iPod, that will import straight into iTunes. Completely legal, and works fine.
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In other words, as GP says, you are using an illegal method to transfer licensed content to a playback medium not covered by the original license.
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You know, being among that (apparently small) group of people who only use my phone for phone calls ... I am completely baffled as to why anyone would want porn on their phone. I just can't imagine where I'd be that porn on my phone would be what I most needed.
Then again, I don't text, surf the web, or any of half a dozen things with my cell p
Re:In other news... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:In other news... (Score:5, Insightful)
I was going to say, that's the best marketing the Android could have hoped for. "It does everything ours does *AND* can do porn." The adult industries have been a driving force for centuries, and Apple making a pseudo-clean environment isn't going to change that at all.
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Re:In other news... (Score:5, Insightful)
I was going to say, that's the best marketing the Android could have hoped for. "It does everything ours does *AND* can do porn." The adult industries have been a driving force for centuries, and Apple making a pseudo-clean environment isn't going to change that at all.
Perhaps. But Jobs was definitely trying to inspire some FUD (in this case, fear) against the Android when he said "You can download porn, your kids can download porn..."
Re:In other news... (Score:4, Funny)
But Jobs was definitely trying to inspire some FUD (in this case, fear) against the Android when he said "You can download porn, your kids can download porn..."
Good job he didn't mention the Kin, then you can download porn *of* your kids. [arstechnica.com]
Re:In other news... (Score:5, Insightful)
Well, the caves that had the women with boobies were probably the most popular ones.
There was an interesting piece on the History Channel (I believe) about the brothels of Pompeii.
An awful lot of our history has been determined by either sex or driven because of sex. Occasionally people try to deny this, but in the end it is what drives humanity. Well, humanity is a bit narrow minded, it's what has driven any organism that thrives. Without these instinctual urges, an organism would be a dead end on their evolutionary path.
Someone will probably want to go all religious on this, so let me beat them to the punch.
Re:In other news... (Score:4, Insightful)
You know, we joke about it, but whatever the porn industry backs usually ends up being the winner in format wars.
Blu Ray, VHS...
The only favour you're doing is helping droids, not iPhone customers.
Re:In other news... (Score:4, Insightful)
Like the sound of this (Score:5, Insightful)
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Are you happy to see me or is that an Android phone in your pocket?
Re:Like the sound of this (Score:5, Funny)
I prefer deep dicking some tight wet pussy over but I guess porn phone is ok for losers like you that sit home and jack off.
That is the point! If it is on your phone, you don't have to sit at home and jack off. You can jack off on the go!
Stupid argument (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:But Apple does not provide them (Score:5, Insightful)
Are those android porn stores owned by Google?
Personally I wouldn't care if they did, but somehow I doubt they do.
Re:But Apple does not provide them (Score:5, Insightful)
The anti-porn rhetoric from the head of a politically liberal, gay-friendly company is pretty weird, to say the least.
Re:But Apple does not provide them (Score:5, Insightful)
The anti-porn rhetoric from the head of a politically liberal, gay-friendly company is pretty weird, to say the least.
What has "gay-friendly" got to do with it?
Re:But Apple does not provide them (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:But Apple does not provide them (Score:5, Interesting)
Which is yet another argument for Android -- you can install apps any way you want, including from any app store you want. There's nothing stopping Apple from opening their own android app store.
But it does show how moronic these measures are. I mean, you don't see Apple so much as installing a content filter on their mobile Safari, do you?
Re:But Apple does not provide them (Score:5, Insightful)
Jobs didn't say "Apple won't sell porn" he said "We do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep porn off the iPhone". He's mad.
Is it my imagination? (Score:5, Insightful)
Is it my imagination, or is Steve being more douchey than usual?
Re:Is it my imagination? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Is it my imagination? (Score:5, Insightful)
It's your imagination. Specifically, you were imagining that he was not at least this douchey all along.
He really stepped it up this time. (Score:5, Funny)
Buy our iPhone! Unless you're one of those porn-addicted Android users. I certainly welcome competition, and our competitors are doing a great job of fulfilling that niche market of phones for porn addicts. So if you're proud of being addicted to porn, show everyone just how much you mean it by purchasing my competitor's fine Android product and taking it with you everywhere. Android: There's no better way to tell the world "I'd rather be watching porn!"
Re:He really stepped it up this time. (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Is it my imagination? (Score:4, Insightful)
Is it my imagination, or is Steve being more douchey than usual?
No, it's not [bnet.com] just your imagination.
He missed the opportunity for a real ice-burn... (Score:5, Funny)
However, if he is going to be an asshole he should have gone just a little further... Something to the effect of "And the inferior multitouch support won't bother you nearly as much if you are always using your phone one-handed..."
Re:He missed the opportunity for a real ice-burn.. (Score:5, Funny)
He is really being a dick there. There's a "porn store" for the iPhone as well, called "Mobile Safari". If anything, the prices are lower.
He's got balls though, if he think he can be a bigger dick than those in the porn business
Re:He missed the opportunity for a real ice-burn.. (Score:5, Funny)
Yours in manifest serenity, S. Jobs
Any other recommendations, Steve? (Score:5, Funny)
Steve, buddy! Thanks for the recommendations, I'm a huge fan of pr0n. Could you also recommend pr0n-friendly restaurants, hotels, bakeries etc?
Re:Any other recommendations, Steve? (Score:4, Informative)
Bakeries you say? [theeroticbakery.com]
(Jobs is right! I found this using Google.)
Re:Any other recommendations, Steve? (Score:5, Funny)
Last time I tried to buy an erotic cake, Jean Luc Picard tried to sell me a cake of a woman going to the bathroom. So, no.
erotic bakery (Score:5, Insightful)
Sure Steve (Score:4, Informative)
I don't need (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:I don't need (Score:5, Insightful)
I'll get an iPhone if I want Jobs dictating what I get according to his tastes. Since I don't, I got a Droid and I can get (or not get) what I want.
Re:I don't need (Score:5, Insightful)
But I guess Apple want's to parent your kids for you too. New from Apple, the iDad! Never again will you need to know anything about your child's life, simply let the iDad do it for you!
Re:I don't need (Score:5, Informative)
Re:I don't need (Score:5, Informative)
Especially when the chief censor is this guy:
http://www.9to5mac.com/steve-jobs-hacks-phones-234556455 [9to5mac.com]
But really, this isn't about censorship. This is about branding. Because Apple doesn't sell technology any more, they sell an image. And that image doesn't have room for stroke facilitation software.
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Re:I don't need (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:I don't need (Score:4, Insightful)
Nobody gives a damn really that Apple doesn't sell porn. Google doesn't sell porn themselves either. What they care about is that Apple a) doesn't sell porn and b) has made it so that they are the ONLY source of apps on the platform. Essentially resulting in the situation that there simply is no legitimate way to get adult-themed applications on the phone - even if you want them. Web based, sure. Videos you transfer, sure. But apps? Nope. You're SOL.
Nobody cares that Wal-mart does sell porn because the smut shop down the street is a perfectly fine alternate source. HOWEVER, if Wal-mart was legislated to be the absolute only source where one could legally buy physical goods, then people would have a much more valid concern if they refused to sell porn (or chocolate, or ammo, or purple footballs, or any other good which people want but are being purposefully prevented from accessing on the simple whim of a company).
Re:I don't need (Score:4, Informative)
They also censor artists who criticize Walmart.
Re:I don't need (Score:5, Insightful)
Then buy an Android phone. Thats exactly what jobs just told you you should do.
That's what I did. This doesn't mean that I shouldn't call Steve a dick when he's acting like one.
Re:Then jailbreak it. (Score:4, Insightful)
It's also helpful to tell people why you won't buy one when you have the opportunity.
You: "Ya know mom, I wouldn't get the iPhone. They prevent you from doing things you want to do with your hardware."
Mom: "Like what?"
Okay (Score:5, Insightful)
Steve Jobs responded, "We do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep porn off the iPhone. Folks who want porn can buy an Android phone. "
Well, I don't see that porn is particularly harmful to children, especially compared to the violence in media and games sold on the iPhone, so I don't know why one would be a moral imperative and the other would not. I actually think this is marketing, designed to appeal to parents who want their kids kept safe from the evils of... umm... boobies?
But that's okay. If he's recommending an Android phone, I'll probably take him up on it when I purchase a smartphone.
Re:Okay (Score:4, Insightful)
Wanting to prevent your children from seeing pornography and wanting to prevent your children from seeing breasts are two completely different things.
Re:Okay (Score:4, Insightful)
You are telling me that a large percentage of the population find this [wikipedia.org] pornographic? I find that very hard to believe. Most people understand that the difference between mere nudity and pornographic nudity is context.
Re:Okay (Score:4, Insightful)
Every time there is an article related to pornography there are dozens of posts along the lines of "ZOMG BOOBIES!!!" attempting to portray those who want to block pornography as fragile people who think the sight of female breasts will ruin children.
There are perfectly reasonable people who have no problem with children seeing Venus de Milo, breastfeeding mothers, or people sunbathing nude, but want to prevent children from seeing pornography.
Re:Okay (Score:5, Insightful)
Nipples are far worse than depictions of brutal murder. Don't argue with the MPAA.
so... He's saying... (Score:4, Funny)
Apple products are for girly men... Or not.
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Well, an iPhone/iPad isn't exactly the most macho-looking bit of hi-technology, is it?
Every time I see a woman carrying an iPhone, it seemed to be bulked up with big chunky covers and accessories, presumably because otherwise it just looks too girlie.
If you look at it, and track back the design vocabulary of the back and the rim and the little round button, the design ethos is essentially classic ladies jewelery. The silver-backed iPod Touch looks like what you'd expect a Chanel silver-backed ladies' hair
You're all missing the point (Score:5, Insightful)
This is marketing-speak for "We're going to be opening the Apple Porn Store very soon. You think the rigid curves of our multi-touch sensors are cool? You ain't seen nothing. Wait for Steve Jobs to say, 'And one more thing.'"
Smart move. (Score:3, Insightful)
Jobs simultaneously drags the android through the mud while claiming a moral high ground for the iphone. what's Google going to do? Trying to defend pornography will be an uphill battle going to a place "where we don't want to go".
nicely played.
Re:Smart move. (Score:5, Insightful)
"We let our users choose what to download."
Hmmm...
Wrong thinking (Score:4, Insightful)
He's not going to get techies this way.
But he's not going to lose the iPhone-is-neato customers, and he's not going to lose the if Apple made a toilet I'd buy it crowd. Those groups either don't care that they're restricted, don't know they're restricted, or actually want to be restricted.
He's saying this for consumption by the media. It's a nice buzz-bit. "Android is for porn." The media will repeat it because it's pithy and uses a titillating word. And the folks who have no clue about restrictions will repeat this to themselves when they go to buy a phone. Wives will insist that husbands buy iPhones for themselves and for the kids.
This is not Jobs being stupid. This is both genius and an indication that Jobs is very, very afraid. His control-everything system depends on him being the master of really the only very good phone/tablet system. There's another system and pretty soon it'll be good enough to make his look less revolutionary. He needs another way to keep his silo full.
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The iPhone. You know, for kids!
Re:Smart move. (Score:4, Insightful)
I dunno... In Google's shoes, I'd respond to this with a one (and a half) sentence press release, something to the effect of "44% of all internet searches look for porn, and 97% of all households have searched for porn-related terms more than once. Android - For people who value freedom"
Re:Smart move. (Score:5, Interesting)
I guess Sergey could say he remembers what it was like being under the thumb of a hopeless totalitarian dickhole from his time living in Soviet Era Russia. So, if you want the same experience of someone else deciding what you can and cannot have access to, shackle yourself to an iPhone.
(By the way, Steve Jobs is the same guy who denied paternity while his daughter and former girlfriend lived on welfare. I don't think he has any solid footing on the moral high ground.)
Re:Smart move. (Score:5, Insightful)
Simple, you don't answer the porn charge directly. You instead talk about how Android is about user choice and user freedom, rather than what putzfuck Jobs decrees "acceptable" for you to use.
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You have to wonder... (Score:5, Insightful)
You know, there's a porn store for Android, you can download nothing but porn. You can download porn, your kids can download porn.
How does he know?
let me fix that..... (Score:5, Insightful)
After being asked about the App Store's recent ban on "sexy apps," Steve Jobs responded, "We do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep porn out of the app store to keep the moronic soccer moms off our ass. Folks who want porn can just use safari and browse to it like a normal person. You know, there's plenty of porn available on the iPhone, and plenty of gay porn hookup apps that soccer moms won't even notice. You can download porn via the browser, or any number of "respectable" apps from companies that make us a lot of money like Playboy and Sports Illustrated , your kids can download porn on their iPhones faster than we can attempt to block it, so we just come up with some lame ass story for the soccer mom's and they buy it because they are fucking pathetically stupid. That's a place we don't want to go, blocking safari, because we know kids will find their porn via browser anyway, so we're not going to go there."
Getting scary (Score:5, Insightful)
"We do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep porn off the iPhone."
Apple's only moral responsibility is to let their users do whatever they feel like, and they have failed.
The "Apple cult" image tossed around as a joke and an insult is becoming more and more true every day. You can't simply buy a device from Apple - you have to buy their device, their software, their platform, and their tastes, desires and morals too, and once you do, you can't separate any of them. This isn't vendor lock-in, it's religion.
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That's not moral (Score:5, Interesting)
I don't believe any sane person believes that maximizing shareholder profits at the expense of consumer freedom and choice is a moral thing. And no, Wall Street is not sane.
Apple has a financial responsibility to it's shareholders, not a moral one. If the law allowed companies to put babies on spikes and make an obscene amount of profit from doing so, any company would do it. The amount of profit companies make these days is obscene. Naked people doing acts based on natural bodily functions to give each other pleasure is not obscene.
Sony Recommends VHS For Fans of Porn (Score:5, Funny)
The Chinese Apple. (Score:4, Interesting)
What really grinds my gears (Score:3, Insightful)
Look, it is my well educated opinion that Playboy, soft-core BS, swimsuit calendars/photoshoots, and basically the societal desire to objectify women through "moral" sexualizations causes MORE harm than XXX hard core pornography does. Why? Because it's insidious and sends terrible messages to people and messes with their psyches. It's OK to objectify and look at women sexually as long AS LONG AS THERE'S NO SEX INVOLVED?! But, wait, isn't that the point? Oh, no, it's better to get guys hot and bothered with teases and pics of scantily clad women everywhere and then tell them "SEX IS BAD!!!" than it is to show them videos of ACTUAL SEX and saying, "Meh, it's just sex." REALLY?? This is the moral stance??? It's OK to have Janet Jackson sing about sexual topics, dress sluttily and grind her body against a man in a mock sexual ritual but "HOLY MOTHER OF GOD!!! 0.5 SECONDS OF TIT JUST FLASHED ACROSS MY TV SCREEN!!!" That messes with people's heads and gives them warped ideas about sexuality and women.
So Steve Jobs can keep his "moral" porn and I'll hang on to the stuff that doesn't pander to me and send me mixed messages about what's right and wrong, what's ok and what's dirty, and enjoy the wisdom of knowing IT'S ALL ABOUT SEX without pretending "sex but not sex" is somehow better than just sex without all the BS.
Its all about money (Score:3, Insightful)
>> Playboy's and the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition are still available on the App Store, however, as they come from 'more reputable companies
Ahh so kids seeing "reputable" porn is OK then ehh Steve? ... Obviously this actually has nothing to do with porn and all to do with licencing revenue.
He Seems to Forget.... (Score:4, Interesting)
That the internet was built on porn.
Apple has not learned their lesson from the years when they were irrelevant.
Does anyone see a pattern here? (Score:5, Funny)
Pr0n: VHS, DVD, Las Vegas, Google Android
Thank's for the tip Mr. Jobs!
Re:Ready Pitchforks! (Score:5, Insightful)
I think it's better worded like this:
'After being asked about the App Store's recent ban on "freedom to use your property as you see fit," Steve Jobs responded, "We do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep freedom away from the iPhone. Folks who want freedom can buy an Android phone. You know, there's a lot of freedom for Android, you can use it anyway you want to, you paid for the hardware, it's yours. You can download porn, your kids can download porn, it's totally free and up to you to do what you want. That's a place we don't want to go, so we're not going to go there." Apps such as Playboy's and the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition are still available on the App Store, however, as they come from "more reputable companies."'
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We do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep porn off the iPhone
I wish some people would take some responsibility and stop buying Apple products because they support the immoral values of billionaires. Stooping to popular opinion and Fandom usually, at the most has led to mediocrity, and sometimes lynch mobs. If Steve Jobs thinks that sex is immoral then I hope he doesn't engage in it himself.
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So, the argument and merits boil down to this: You may choose between Bowdlerized digital lifestyle from Apple, or a direct pipeline into the next-generation of Total Information Awareness from Google?
Try and get a Google account without submitting a verifiable mobile number. Combine the use of that account with any phone running Google Maps and Search. Now, multiply that potential by an order of magnitude, when you operate a phone stack that is completely designed and built by Google. Correlate your lo
Re:Ready Pitchforks! (Score:4, Interesting)
Either way you're going to give up a ton of personal info.
To get an iPhone you'll need an account with the mobile provider, meaning you'll need to give up your contact info as well as a lot of financial and credit information. This would be enough information to track you down and glean tons info about you.
Plus the iPhone uses a lot of google services and even if they switch away due to Android, Yahoo or whatever replacement is chosen will collect and track you in the same fashion.
What are you trying to hide anyway? ;)
Re:Ready Pitchforks! (Score:4, Insightful)
So get yourself a fucking Nokia already.
You do know that Apple and Google aren't the only game in town.
In the phone market they aren't even the biggest.
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Speaking as somebody who isn't interested in living within Apple's Walled Garden or cashing in my privacy with Google, neither phrasing reads like anything but propaganda.
You guys really should listen to yourselves. "Be free! Do as I say!"
Re:Ready Pitchforks! (Score:5, Insightful)
Your analogy is ludicrous. How would you explain away not having Flash functionality?
Re:Ready Pitchforks! (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Ready Pitchforks! (Score:5, Insightful)
I have to disagree. I'm far from a Microsoft fan, but they've never prevented me from running software on their products because they disagreed with the content or subject matter.
They don't care what you're doing, as long as you're doing it on their platforms. (Although I've never owned a Zune or even seen one in person).
Apple, on the other hand, wants to completely control what you think and do when using their products.
It's comical but Apple's trying to make sure 2010 and beyond will be like 1984.
Re:Ready Pitchforks! (Score:5, Insightful)
This is absurd. The only thing they are controlling is the apps on their store
Oh, so I'm free to get my iphone porn apps form other stores then?
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There fixed that for you!
Re:American pornophobia (Score:5, Insightful)
In short, it's not that I don't think my kids could handle porn, it's that everyone else couldn't handle the idea that my kids were exposed to porn.
Re:American pornophobia (Score:5, Informative)
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Parents are not ALLOWED to parent their children in America. That's the State's job. (Somewhere, Mussolini is laughing.)
Two anecdotal incidents:
1. My son is wont to run off without looking or thinking if he does not get what he wants (Mom tends to give in to irrational desires, me: far less so). I stopped him from trying to run into highway traffic while he was having one of his fits because he did not want shoes. Later, his mother called police because there was a small abrasion on his stomach. (I held him
Re:Walmart (Score:4, Insightful)
It's a moot point anyway. Because the iPhone _does_ allow porn. Playboy is porn right? Safari can view porn right? So he's basically full of shit claiming some moral high ground. It's a joke and that's what we're laughing at. So I'll get off your lawn, if you come and join the fun.
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Hooray! I can bitch and moan then. Censorship is one of the many reasons I don't go to wal-mart. They won't sell Cosmo but they will sell you a gun. They censor their music. They break unions. They treat their employees like crap.
Thanks for the invitation to complain. I didn't know you could do that on the internet.
Re:Walmart (Score:5, Insightful)
I do not like to be told what I can buy and what not. And I do not shop as Walmart as I do not shop as Aldi or any other discounter which treats their personnel badly. But there is a big difference between Walmart and Apple. Walmart is a store, and I can go to any other store I want when the products from Walmart are not satisfactory. But when I have an iPhone, I can only go to Apple to buy apps. And with iTunes I can only shop at iTunes-Music-Store. This is like Ford having a discounter and you can only drive to the Ford-discounter with your new vehicle, but not to Walmart or any street market.
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Apple is simply saying they will not sell apps that contain porn.
Unless the porn comes from a reputable company like Playboy. As a parent, knowing that my child is getting his porn from reputable companies takes a lot off my mind.
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I'm sorry to disappoint you, but [windowsteamblog.com]...
ENSURING HIGH QUALITY PRODUCTS
In addition to designing what the Marketplace is and how it works, we’ve also focused on what users expect of the content they find and have built and operate a certification process that every application and game goes through to meet these customer expectations.
Customers reasonably expect the applications and games they find:
- install and run correctly,
- use device resources efficiently
- are not malware compromising their identity or t
Re:Um, Steve, a question (Score:4, Interesting)
The Android Market porn is actually pretty well hidden. Try the "Tic Tac Toe" app and click on one of the "X"'s three times.
But really, Steve Jobs knows his market, and it is not computer geeks. Geeks know how to find porn, and save money by buying the best hardware they can for the price. Plus the non-geek market, is much, much bigger.
Families are all too happy to throw money at problems if it saves them time trying to comparison shop. I know because I've started doing it myself, unfortunately :-/ But at least not when it comes to technology ... yet.