Forgot your password?
typodupeerror
Censorship Businesses Apple

Apple Refusing Any BitTorrent Related Apps? 296

Posted by ScuttleMonkey
from the ignorance-is-bliss dept.
jamie pointed out what appears to be an unfortunate policy for Apple's app store that is refusing anything to do with BitTorrent. The example is a remote control app that allows a user to interface with their Transmission BitTorrent client. This certainly isn't the first complaint over app store policy. Issues from the return policy to the "objectionable content" of Nine Inch Nails have some developers concerned over what Apple is doing to the market. Of course, many are quick to remind that it is Apple's store and they are free to do whatever they want with it.
This discussion has been archived. No new comments can be posted.

Apple Refusing Any BitTorrent Related Apps?

Comments Filter:
  • Jailbreak (Score:5, Insightful)

    by googlesmith123 (1546733) on Monday May 11, 2009 @03:38PM (#27912635)
    If you want torrent you can always jailbreak it.
    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward

      That's the way I do it. Jailbreaking is awesome, you can install python, vlc, gcc, irc, if the package doesn't you can just create it from source, assuming that the libraries behind it work well with the iphone/touch. Honostly, the itouch has replaced my netbook needs for over 6 months now. The only thing I hate about it is how proprietary it is.

      • Honostly, the itouch has replaced my netbook needs for over 6 months now.

        Same here. As for proprietary, the easy ability to jailbreak was the tipping point for me to purchase it, otherwise, I'd probably have an eee right now.

        Speaking of which, I'm done with "netbooks". Somebody sell me a lightweight touchscreen tablet with enough juice to run Photoshop so that if I decide to pull a late night working on a project, I can do it from the comfort of my own bed.
        • by larry bagina (561269) on Monday May 11, 2009 @04:11PM (#27913259) Journal
          So ... you photoshop your porn before a late night wank session?
        • by drinkypoo (153816)

          Somebody sell me a lightweight touchscreen tablet with enough juice to run Photoshop so that if I decide to pull a late night working on a project, I can do it from the comfort of my own bed.

          Why can't you just use a thin client like everyone else? In 1996 or so I had a SLC by my bed booting Xkernel from a linux box so that I could have a fanless system by my bed and still use Netscape. What year is it, anyway?

          Or, put less arrogantly: lightweight laptop, wireless-N, vmware. Finding a decent tablet is the hard part. I got a DT366 but they are normally heinously expensive and I still haven't got anything decent to run on it. I'm working on building Angstrom Linux for it but OpenEmbedded is current

        • by Ihmhi (1206036)

          I don't know if it'll have enough juice to run photoshop, but Asus is releasing an EEE tablet [slashgear.com].

    • Re:Jailbreak (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Shadow of Eternity (795165) on Monday May 11, 2009 @03:45PM (#27912781)

      Jailbreaking: "It may be your store, but it's my goddamn phone".

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by LuxMaker (996734)
        Bricking: "It may be your phone, but it's our firmware."

        Jailbreaking: "It may be your store, but it's my goddamn phone".

      • At some point they will lease you the phone and no company will sell the hardware.

      • Re:Jailbreak (Score:5, Insightful)

        by aristotle-dude (626586) on Monday May 11, 2009 @06:24PM (#27915287)
        Unless if you bought an iPod touch, bought the iPhone at full price or you paid out the contract termination fee, it's not your phone until your contract is up.
        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by Anonymous Coward

          Yeah the phone isn't yours until it breaks outside of warranty, or you drop the damn thing. Than it quickly becomes yours while you pay a monthy.

          It's a win-win really ... as long as you are ATT.

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by mea37 (1201159)

          Although it is popular to believe that something is not "yours" until you have discharged all of the liabilities you accepted when you bought it, that is simply not the case.

          The terms of the contract include: We'll sell you a phone for $X. You'll pay us $Y if you leave before Z months is up.

          Note that the company is not obligated to accept return of the phone in lieu of an early termination penalty. (I've only had one company - DirectTV - state that they would accept their equipment back and let you off the

  • Web UI (Score:5, Informative)

    by moniker127 (1290002) on Monday May 11, 2009 @03:41PM (#27912681)
    Isn't this what web UIs are for?


    I think ittl be a few years before people realize that bittorrent is perfectly legal, and a great distribution method.
    • Re:Web UI (Score:4, Informative)

      by Knara (9377) on Monday May 11, 2009 @03:45PM (#27912779)
      My thoughts exactly. Couldn't one just make a Safari bookmark?
    • by FunkyELF (609131)
      Try wtorrent [wtorrent-project.org]
    • by DdJ (10790)

      Is BitTorrent in and of itself perfectly legal?

      Sure.

      But what percentage of BitTorrent traffic do you think is non-infringing?

      And what percentage of BitTorrent users have never used it for any infringing purpose?

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by pwfffff (1517213)

        Is driving in and of itself perfectly legal?

        Sure.

        But what percentage of commutes do you think are non-infringing?

        And what percentage of drivers have never broken any traffic law?

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      True. At least three of the most widely used (Deluge, KTorrent and Transmission) already have web UIs. No links, this can be easily checked on their official websites. rTorrent doesn't have web interface, AFAIK.

      Apple will need to ban http to pull this off.
      • by tyrione (134248)

        True. At least three of the most widely used (Deluge, KTorrent and Transmission) already have web UIs. No links, this can be easily checked on their official websites. rTorrent doesn't have web interface, AFAIK. Apple will need to ban http to pull this off.

        They have no interest in banning it via http. They don't want bittorrent clients [non-WebUI] on their systems, via direct client software people install for the specific purpose of torrent transmissions. I commented earlier on it being up to the dev to use a WebUI to end-around if they feel their life will not be complete without bittorrent on their phone of all f'n tools.

        Just can't get enough traffic about your latest candid shots that you need a torrent client to upload all those "VIP club scenes", eh?

      • by PitaBred (632671)
        I find that rtorrent+screen is the way I like to roll. I'm sure Apple has an SSH app of some sort available?
  • by Anita Coney (648748) on Monday May 11, 2009 @03:44PM (#27912745) Homepage

    The purpose of these stories, involving Apple refusing to sell apps, is not to debate the rights of Apple to do so. Everyone recognizes that Apple has a right to sell or not sell anything it so desires.

    The purpose of these stories is to warn people to stay away from Apple, because Apple does not have your best interests in mind, only its bottom line.

    • by bennomatic (691188) on Monday May 11, 2009 @03:49PM (#27912867) Homepage

      The purpose of these stories is to warn people to stay away from Apple, because Apple does not have your best interests in mind, only its bottom line.

      Or another way to put it might be that they are not trying to be everything to everyone, and while we do not necessarily know all the reasons for all of their decisions, anyone who is going to make a significant purchase ($200+ dollars plus ongoing fees) should have this information in order to make an informed decision.

      If you're going to "warn people" to stay away from Apple because they're interested in their bottom line, you're going to have to warn people to stay away from pretty much all corporations. Of course, that means not having any sort of computing device...

      • by fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) on Monday May 11, 2009 @03:53PM (#27912969) Journal
        The difference isn't between companies interested in their bottom line and companies not so interested(all of which are dead); but between companies whose bottom line is bolstered by controlling you and companies whose bottom line is bolstered by serving you.
      • by caitsith01 (606117) on Monday May 11, 2009 @06:19PM (#27915215) Journal

        If you're going to "warn people" to stay away from Apple because they're interested in their bottom line, you're going to have to warn people to stay away from pretty much all corporations. Of course, that means not having any sort of computing device...

        Or to put it another way, if Apple are going to continnue to present themselves as the fun, shiny, easy, nice answer to everything, and both explicitly and implicitly suggest that everyone else is a bunch of crusty old business-oriented, consumer-hating corporations, then it will be totally legitimate and arguably even necessary for there to be a continued awareness campaign about the fact that they are behaving in this way.

        Maybe we need a revised iphone advertisement:

        "The great thing about the iphone is, if you want to find the nearest restaurant, there's an app for that... and if you want to use a spirit level thingo, there's an app for that... and if you want to use useful software developed by someone Apple doesn't approve of, you can go to hell... and if you want to use technology which Apple is nervous about, you can also go to hell... and if you think you actually own that phone you got when you handed over money, you are living in a fantasy world.

        The new iphone. It's whatever Apple says it is."

    • by neoform (551705)

      Apple does not have your best interests in mind, only its bottom line.

      Wait, you mean corporations aren't looking out for me? Who *are* they looking out for then? Themselves? Psh!

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by drinkypoo (153816)

      The purpose of these stories, involving Apple refusing to sell apps, is not to debate the rights of Apple to do so. Everyone recognizes that Apple has a right to sell or not sell anything it so desires.

      Since Apple has gone to some trouble to prevent you from installing apps other than through the app store, there is very much room to debate whether they have the right to refuse to sell apps. They have given themselves a monopoly on non-developer iPhone application distribution and it could be considered anticompetitive. It is for a court to decide, but there is plenty of room for discussion.

    • by tyrione (134248)

      The purpose of these stories, involving Apple refusing to sell apps, is not to debate the rights of Apple to do so. Everyone recognizes that Apple has a right to sell or not sell anything it so desires.

      The purpose of these stories is to warn people to stay away from Apple, because Apple does not have your best interests in mind, only its bottom line.

      Please define how valuable you are to me. I'd truly love to see what you consider so valuable that I need you to be free to have a torrent client on your phone so I won't be deprived of all that value I'd be otherwise missing.

      Please, show me the way! Show me the righteousness of your worth and the unworthy nature of my own for being so non-dogmatic to think that Apple is reasonable to determine their own self interests.

  • by Stuart Gibson (544632) on Monday May 11, 2009 @03:44PM (#27912759) Homepage

    Looking at the Transmission control interface through Safari on my iPhone right now. I guess now that Safari might be used to facilitate "this category of application" Apple will be pulling it from the OS?

    I'm as much of a fanboy as the next guy, but Apple really need to get the house in order over the app store.

    • by tyrione (134248)

      Looking at the Transmission control interface through Safari on my iPhone right now. I guess now that Safari might be used to facilitate "this category of application" Apple will be pulling it from the OS?

      I'm as much of a fanboy as the next guy, but Apple really need to get the house in order over the app store.

      Truly think for a second. By forcing WebUI only interfaces Apple absolves itself from any future lawsuits. Do you get it, yet?

      • by burris (122191)

        The Supreme Court of the US already ruled on this in MGM vs. Grokster and Sony vs. Universal. Approving the app wouldn't expose Apple to secondary liability for infringement even if the app actually was a BT client (and not just a remote control.) Unless you have some theory of Apple inducing people to infringe that you're not telling us about.

  • Use wTorrent (Score:3, Interesting)

    by FunkyELF (609131) on Monday May 11, 2009 @03:45PM (#27912787)
    I stopped using Azureus once it disappeared from portage and I could only get Vuze. Since then I switched to rTorrent. Its awesome and command line based which means you can ssh into another machine and kick it off.
    I've been meaning, but have yet to try out wTorrent which is a web interface to the same libtorrent that rTorrent uses.
    This way you could just use safari to control your torrent downloads.
  • by wbates (232236)

    "Of course, many are quick to remind that it is Apple's store and they are free to do whatever they want with it."

    By the same token isn't it my iPhone that I am free to do what I want with it? Sure that means I can jailbreak it, but why should I be forced to just to use an app that Apple doesn't want to sell on their store?

    • by david_thornley (598059) on Monday May 11, 2009 @04:43PM (#27913735)

      I fail to see your point.

      If you want to buy an iPhone and jailbreak it, feel free. It's your iPhone, after all. If you want to buy an iPhone and get your apps from the App Store, cool. It's pretty useful that way, also. If you don't want to buy a iPhone, for whatever reason, that's fine too. That's how a healthy market economy works, and the iPhone isn't the only smart phone out there.

      What I don't understand is why you think Apple should sell you precisely what you want in the way you want it. Apple is willing to sell you a product with certain capabilities and limitations. They aren't required to sell something similar but different, although they do have to live with any negative effects on their market share because of that.

      So, buy or don't buy, jailbreak or don't jailbreak, but don't claim Apple is being unfair just because you find them inconvenient.

  • by Chas (5144) on Monday May 11, 2009 @03:51PM (#27912921) Homepage Journal

    Seriously. If Apple wants to engage in practices that result in a chilling effect on your target market why the fuck are you going to support them?
    Because it's [LOVE]Apple{/LOVE]? Puh-leeze!
    Because it enables you to reach a large market of consumers? Oh wait, they're denying those customers access to your products!

    I'm sure Apple is great and wonderful and really really nice. I'm sure their app platform is the greatest thing since sliced stupid-people. But if they're going to actively interfere with your ability to reach customers FUCK THEM!

    And yes, it's Apple's store. They can sell or not sell whatever they feel like.
    However, it's not JUST Apple's store. It's the sole "legitimate" gateway into the devices you're writing apps for. That's part of the problem.

    To use a baseball-related metaphor. You're a beer-hawker at a ballgame. Heaven help you if you try to sell booze in OTHER than the approved manner or brand.

    • I'm sure Apple is great and wonderful and really really nice. I'm sure their app platform is the greatest thing since sliced stupid-people.

      Mmmm... Apple-smoked people bacon.

      To use a baseball-related metaphor. You're a beer-hawker at a ballgame. Heaven help you if you try to sell booze in OTHER than the approved manner or brand.

      So? You're getting paid to sell their beer at their stadium. For the app store... well, you've got the roles twisted. Apple is the beerslinger. You're the beer producer, and I'm t

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by caitsith01 (606117)

      Seriously. If Apple wants to engage in practices that result in a chilling effect on your target market why the fuck are you going to support them?
      Because it's [LOVE]Apple{/LOVE]? Puh-leeze!
      Because it enables you to reach a large market of consumers? Oh wait, they're denying those customers access to your products!

      I'm sure Apple is great and wonderful and really really nice. I'm sure their app platform is the greatest thing since sliced stupid-people. But if they're going to actively interfere with your ability to reach customers FUCK THEM!

      And yes, it's Apple's store. They can sell or not sell whatever they feel like.
      However, it's not JUST Apple's store. It's the sole "legitimate" gateway into the devices you're writing apps for. That's part of the problem.

      To use a baseball-related metaphor. You're a beer-hawker at a ballgame. Heaven help you if you try to sell booze in OTHER than the approved manner or brand.

      Exactly.

      Example 2, you're Microsoft. No doubt the same people bleating about how Apple has the "right" to control what is available through the app store would also die in a ditch to defend Microsoft's "right" to tie whatever web browser it chooses to its own operating system, right? Right?

      *sound of wind blowing... crickets chirp*

  • If you don't like the way Apple runs its store, don't buy from it.

    If you don't like gay marriage, don't do it.

    If you don't like murder, don't commit it.

    If you don't like France, don't go there.

    If you don't like math, don't learn it.

    If you don't care for Enron, don't buy the stock.

    If you don't like subprime, don't take one out.

    • by FooRat (182725) on Monday May 11, 2009 @04:11PM (#27913253)

      Why am I starting to wonder if there might not be something a little bit wrong with this form of argument?

      If you don't like that form of argument, don't use it.

    • Illusion of choice my friend.
    • by hoggoth (414195) on Monday May 11, 2009 @04:13PM (#27913287) Journal

      If you don't know how to make logical analogies, don't do it.

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by voisine (153062)

      Apart from not talking about it, I don't see anything wrong with most items on the list. The problem comes with the use of force against the unwilling. Murder and subprime fall into this category. You don't like murder, be prepared to defend yourself and your loved ones. The subprime issue was caused by fed manipulation of interest rates. i.e. price controls on credit. Central economic planning doesn't work. If you were to open a bank that wasn't part of the federal reserve system, men with guns would show

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by ADRA (37398)

      Just a side note (I totally agree with you in concept) is that most of the things that you've listed have an impact on you in one way or another regardless of your preference. Your active choice of not doing something won't mitigate the effects of it upon your life:

      Gay Marriage: Most likely won't directly affect you (unless you're gay of course).

      Murder: Will affect you (or friends/family) if you do it or not.

      Apple Store: The majority position of a system incompatible with one you choose to use means there a

    • by Americano (920576) on Monday May 11, 2009 @05:03PM (#27914077)
      How this post got a +4, Interesting on the heels of this fumbling, childish attempt to draw a parallel, I don't know. I'd like you to supply examples of anybody legitimately using "this form of argument" in any of the debates you provided. Citations are most certainly needed.

      I'm stunned at the logical gymnastics required to create equivalency between the legality of gay marriage, murder, and buying an app for your cell phone. Breathtaking.
  • by uncreativeslashnick (1130315) on Monday May 11, 2009 @04:06PM (#27913195)
    ...and we've been dancing it for decades. Big software corps, particularly ones that make the hardware and the software, have an incentive to make their stuff proprietary and to make it difficult to interoperate with anybody else's stuff. They lock you in, then lock you down. Apple is one of the worst offenders, here.

    I'd like to say that when a truly open competitor comes along and offers competition, people will flock to it. But they won't because that's not how it works. Normal people buy the stuff that "just works" and apple's stuff is pretty good at that. The only way around it is for hackers to do what they do so well.

    Hats off to you, hackers of the world.
  • by Pichu0102 (916292) <pichu0102@gmail.com> on Monday May 11, 2009 @04:16PM (#27913331) Homepage Journal

    You can use logmein or other vnc apps to control torrent programs on your computer. Better ban that. You could control it through a webui using safari. Better ban that too. Wait, you could set up a script to control it with a phone call or email! Better ban the phone and mail apps, just to be sure.

    Rediculous.

  • by ADRA (37398) on Monday May 11, 2009 @04:23PM (#27913425)

    I think we (Slashdot readers) get it by now what Apple's application development policies are. We don't need a weekly refresher of why Apple's policies suck. Please don't feed the trolls because this article much like the few before it contains contains nothing new that we shouldn't have known already. Someone makes a yes/no decision and you have to live with it.

    Either two things will happen: Apple doesn't change their policies and we can assume as always that most applications that are perfectly legitimate but against Apple's corporate objectives will be canned, or that Apple decided that their policies are causing more harm than good and decide to change them. If the second case happens then please be my guess and post it.

    This constant rhetoric over what should and what shouldn't be allowed is just fuelling a fire of debate that is ultimately as subjective as Apple's corporate policies.

  • Apple (Score:2, Insightful)

    by azakem (924479)

    Yes, Apple is free to do what they wish with their store, and we are free not to pay for their overpriced and overhyped products when saddled in this manner.

    Don't bother replying Apple fanbois, I'm not interested. It's just another corporation acting in its own best interest.

  • by leoc (4746) on Monday May 11, 2009 @04:39PM (#27913685) Homepage

    Option A) Apple products.
    Option B) The freedom to do what you want with the stuff you buy.

    Pick one and stop complaining.

  • Android FTW. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Facegarden (967477) on Monday May 11, 2009 @04:50PM (#27913845)

    Seeing this story elsewhere today prompted me to check the Android Market for a similar app.

    Yup, found one and downloaded it immediately.

    Works with Transmission (like the rejected app in the story) and uTorrent, making it great for users of any platform (i think mac users have one or the other, and Transmission is great on linux, uTorrent rocks on windows).

    Gotta setup my new computer with DYNDNS again, but It looks like a nice app just from the setup options.

    I have started developing a bit (a tiny bit) for Android, and I am really starting to appreciate the platform a lot.

    I switched from windows mobile to the iphone a year ago, and then from the iphone to a G1 a few months ago, and I love my G1, it's the best phone I've ever had, and knowing now that I can develop apps for it easily (and on any platform, no less) for free (if I don't want to distribute them, or for just $25 one time developer's fee if I do) makes me REALLY like the platform.

    Android rocks.
    -Taylor

  • Well... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward

    Well now, you can just use torrentflux, supporting an open source project, and still use your iphone. :P

    http://www.torrentflux.com/

  • Apple is evil. They just bribe you with pretty bangles to not notice it too much.

"If that makes any sense to you, you have a big problem." -- C. Durance, Computer Science 234

Working...