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Underground Mac Community Foils a Coup 253

Posted by kdawson
from the fortunately-bloodless dept.
An anonymous reader writes "In an attempted palace coup that would not have been out of place in a Shakespearian tragedy, a moderator faction at Mac Serial Junkie, one of the largest underground Mac communities, was shut out this weekend after it was discovered that many staff members were plotting a coup. The plans included a surreptitious takeover of the domain name macserialjunkie.com. In an Open Letter to the Community, the founders of MSJ explain how a number of people at the highest levels of the underground planned their takeover activities for almost two years, only to be foiled at the last minute."
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Underground Mac Community Foils a Coup

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  • Who cares? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 09, 2007 @04:26PM (#20531051)
    I assume this is some sort of piracy forum, but regardless, who cares? This stuff happens all the time on forums and IRC. Owner X doesn't do much/disappears leaving Y in charge. Y gets upset that he's doing all the work while X enjoys ownership. Y plots takeover, and either does or fail and is replaced by Z.
    • tag this whocares (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Kreigaffe (765218)
      seriously, e-drama. seriously.
      • by quanticle (843097) on Sunday September 09, 2007 @04:31PM (#20531101) Homepage

        No kidding. This is like the stories about scams and drama in EVE Online, but even more irrelevant.

        • by ScytheBlade1 (772156) <<scytheblade1> <at> <averageurl.com>> on Sunday September 09, 2007 @04:37PM (#20531137) Homepage Journal
          This is one story that I honestly feel could be deleted, and no one would care.

          Because no one cares.

          Get this off the front page.
          • by Himring (646324) on Sunday September 09, 2007 @10:46PM (#20533933) Homepage Journal
            And the editors reject so many worth-while stories. LoL! I can see it now:

            [Takes hit off joint] Editor: "Let's see [in a holding-breath-talking-way-that-pot-smokers-do], submissions, submissions, submissions.... Hrmm, 'Life found on mars' ... nah [rejected], 'ancient silicon chip found in egypt' ... nah [rejects], "ETI found 20 light years away" ... nah [rejects]. Omg! e-drama among mac geeks! Yes!!! [accepts]...."

      • by sg3000 (87992) * <sg_public@NospaM.mac.com> on Sunday September 09, 2007 @04:40PM (#20531167)
        > tag this whocares

        No, there's too much of a risk that someone will think that Dr. Who or those simpletons the Grinch was ripping off actually care about this tempest in a teapot.

        It would make more sense if Slashdot started a section specifically for stories like this. They could combine it with stories about changing alliances among pre-teen girls at our local Junior High School and which C-list celebrities are feuding with their former cast members. They could even reuse the OMG Ponies theme.
    • Re:Who cares? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 09, 2007 @04:30PM (#20531097)
      Yea, it's a site to swap software serial numbers. Amusing that people who are content to rip off other people's hard work suddenly think they have the moral high ground when they're about to be ripped off themselves. Pot, kettle, etc.
      • by gEvil (beta) (945888) on Sunday September 09, 2007 @04:50PM (#20531261)
        Pot, kettle, etc.

        Boiling water? Tea? Why yes, I would love a spot of tea.
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by vertinox (846076)
        Amusing that people who are content to rip off other people's hard work suddenly think they have the moral high ground when they're about to be ripped off themselves.

        Are we talking about the CEO who laid off half the development team, required the remainder to work over time, and then gave himself a bonus by firing the rest after the product went gold or the pirates?

        I say this because more than naught developers are underpaid for their work and then have the hounds released on them by the bean counters when
        • Re:Who cares? (Score:5, Insightful)

          by Foerstner (931398) on Sunday September 09, 2007 @06:24PM (#20532059)

          Are we talking about the CEO who laid off half the development team, required the remainder to work over time, and then gave himself a bonus by firing the rest after the product went gold or the pirates?

          I say this because more than naught developers are underpaid for their work and then have the hounds released on them by the bean counters when quarter figures need to look better.


          Nice little Freudian slip there.

          I'd wager that most of the successful commercial software companies treat their developers with a modicum of dignity. Sure, there have been dozens of exceptions over the years, but by and large it's hard to stay in the business if you treat your programmers like shit. It's a good way to make sure your company is a one-hit wonder. Perhaps that's why Adobe, Microsoft, and Google have all been on the "Best Companies to Work For" list, as have other software firms. They may not please all of their employees, but they generally have a reputation for taking care of their own.

          It's often a meaner existence for programmers who work for non-software companies like financial or logistics firms--they're viewed as a "cost," not a revenue stream.
          • I'd wager that most of the successful commercial software companies treat their developers with a modicum of dignity. Sure, there have been dozens of exceptions over the years, but by and large it's hard to stay in the business if you treat your programmers like shit.

            Would you still place your wager if we were talking about a game company?
            • by lakeland (218447)
              Game companies are different. They no that no matter how badly they treat their staff, there will always be an unlimited supply of young talented but inexperienced kids^Wgame developers just begging to work for them. Where there is virtually unlimited supply of cheap inexperienced labour it wouldn't be capitalism if you paid your inexperienced staff more than peanuts.

              Not being an expert in the gaming industry, I would suspect that the managers there are quite well paid - they have to deal with young, inex
          • It's often a meaner existence for programmers who work for non-software companies like financial or logistics firms--they're viewed as a "cost," not a revenue stream.

            Sadly, its like that at my current job. Would you like to stage a coup at my employers?
      • Drat! (Score:5, Funny)

        by peacefinder (469349) <alan...dewitt@@@gmail...com> on Sunday September 09, 2007 @06:01PM (#20531861) Journal
        "Yea, it's a site to swap software serial numbers."

        Darn, I was hoping it was a site about Mac serial ports. I was gonna go ask a question...
        • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

          by Bing Tsher E (943915)
          The connector is round. And it's the same connector as on certain Sun boxes (the IPX is one, I believe). So you can use Apple Modem Cables and a nullmodem plug to connect to a headless SparcStation as the console.

          Some of the finest Macs ever made use that serial connector, i.e. the SE/30.
    • Thanks so far, for making sense out of this post, but:

      "... one of the largest underground Mac communities ... a number of people at the highest levels of the underground planned their takeover activities for almost two years,...

      WTF? No seriously WTF?

    • by rlp (11898) on Sunday September 09, 2007 @04:58PM (#20531317)
      Underground Mac community?? Do Morlocks use Macs?
    • by ksheff (2406) on Sunday September 09, 2007 @05:01PM (#20531367) Homepage
      CmdrTaco is getting scared that CowboyNeal is going to take over.
    • People who plot for two years to take over a Serialz website? Bunch o' loozahs!
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 09, 2007 @04:29PM (#20531085)
    This sounds like it should be an item in a high school newspaper. No wonder, it's a kdawson story, poster of all useless and leftist drivel.

    Are you guys going to cover how Timmy is going to plotting to take over the treehouse next?
    • by Nymz (905908) on Sunday September 09, 2007 @05:07PM (#20531421) Journal
      Anytime there's a story that's not story-worthy, or obviously false politcal propaganda, they use the kdawson account to publish it, thus saving their own reputation. There is no way it could be one man.
      • You'd have to prove that any of the editors actually cared about their reputation. Considering the number of dupes, pointless stories, and poorly edited postings there are here, you'd almost think they enjoy trashing their own reputations.
      • by sootman (158191)
        I don't know. The very first kdawson stories (AFAIK) were the ones that used the 'enlightenment' icon incorrectly. No group of slashdot regulars could be that dumb... and at the same time, I don't think the slashdot regulars are smart enough to lay a foundation like that intentionally. I have to think it's one not-so-bright person.
      • "Anytime there's a story that's not story-worthy, or obviously false politcal propaganda, they use the kdawson account to publish it, thus saving their own reputation."

        So you're saying Slashdot has its very own Alan Smithee [wikipedia.org], of sorts?
    • by Phroggy (441)

      No wonder, it's a kdawson story, poster of all useless and leftist drivel.
      Would you mind explaining what about this story is "leftist"?
    • by DeepHurtn! (773713) on Sunday September 09, 2007 @08:14PM (#20532859)
      "Leftist" drivel...? He posts shit in general, but I don't think it's particularly lefty stuff. I *wish* it was; I'm what most people would call a leftist, and I think /. could use a bit more (but I know this place leans towards U.S.-style capitalistic libertarianism, so whatever). But did you catch kdawson's gem from a couple of days ago? [slashdot.org] That's some pretty crazy right wing nutso land crap he posted to the front page.

      No, kdawson just posts crud. Period.

  • No, really, who fucking cares? Is there nothing better to post as a story, anywhere on the intarweb?
  • by dekkerdreyer (1007957) <dekkerdreyer@nospAm.gmail.com> on Sunday September 09, 2007 @04:39PM (#20531155)
    This is quite a soap opera, but I think only people who regularly post on those forums could really care. So here's to the three of you.

    Next week on slashdot: How one moderator over at knittingmachines.org thwarted an attempt by 31337gr4ndm4 to copy the patterns of beloved moderator iknit4u.
    • I have been a member there for 6 years and even I couldn't care less.
    • Yeah, from the headline, I somehow thought it might be at least somewhat relevant to some part of the real world. I thought it would be something about a Mid-East or SE Asian country, or at least something like Luxembourg, but coup against a web site?! Come on kdawson.
      • by Phroggy (441)

        Yeah, from the headline, I somehow thought it might be at least somewhat relevant to some part of the real world. I thought it would be something about a Mid-East or SE Asian country, or at least something like Luxembourg, but coup against a web site?! Come on kdawson.
        Not just a coup against a web site, but a coup against their own web site, which most of the rest of us (many of whom are Mac users) have never even heard of.
  • WGAF (Score:4, Insightful)

    by DoctorPepper (92269) on Sunday September 09, 2007 @04:39PM (#20531161)
    All of you GROW UP! go on, get out of your parent's basement, into the real world. Get a real job and a (girl|boy)friend and just get on with your lives!

    None of this shit means anything outside of your silly little group. Sheesh!
  • by Cait Sidhe (1026312) on Sunday September 09, 2007 @04:50PM (#20531265)
    Internets: Serious Business
  • If that wasn't a joke, These people seem way too full of themselves.

    Who the hell are those people anyway? I have never heard of any of it.

  • by djkitsch (576853) on Sunday September 09, 2007 @04:53PM (#20531289)
    I mean...really? Slow news day, huh?
  • Why on earth did this get posted to the main page? This might be the dumbest tripe I've seen on Slashdot in a while (although I'm sure someone will reply with worse).
  • tag: firehoseabuse (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Nimey (114278) on Sunday September 09, 2007 @05:02PM (#20531373) Homepage Journal
    I see the trolls are gaming the firehose.
  • by Stevecat (198954) on Sunday September 09, 2007 @05:03PM (#20531397) Homepage
    SmR writes
    "In an attempted anthill coup that would not have been out of place in a tragic Discovery Channel special, the red ants in my backyard, owners of one of the largest anthills underground in my backyard, were doused with gasoline this weekend after it was discovered that a faction of the worker ants were plotting a coup. The plans included an unprecedented and sneaky incursion into my kitchen trash containing an old big Mac, cereal, and tasty junk. In an unexpected move I placed some honey-soaked borax in their trail and the poison infiltrated into the highest levels of their underground empire. Then dousing thier anthill with gasoline I ended their reign of almost two years, and thus they were foiled before my wife got home."

    Honestly, I think my story is more interesting.

    SmR
  • by erktrek (473476) on Sunday September 09, 2007 @05:20PM (#20531509)
    I know nothing about this site and I found it interesting from a social dynamic perspective. Also it's probably important to learn about such co-opting strategies.

    Not sure who is in the "right" here but the domain owners kinda get the last word on what they want and how to do things don't you think?

    It's also kind of curious that the first few posts here seem to be so vitriolic against the posting of this article. As I recall /. is supposed to be "news for nerds" or some such. It seems to me "Coups" and "Underground Mac Movements" are about as nerdy as you can get.

    Then again, I must be new here...

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by EllynGeek (824747)
      It's also interesting how many people who don't care took the time to post flames about how much they don't care. It's important to the people involved, and as you said possibly a good lesson for any online community. As far as nerdy stuff goes, well, /. is heavily-infested with trolls who are not nerds, and don't really have skills of any kind, except wandering all over the Internet putting down everything and everyone.
      • by osu-neko (2604) on Sunday September 09, 2007 @11:30PM (#20534273)

        It's also interesting how many people who don't care took the time to post flames about how much they don't care.

        It's the difference between a mature human being comfortable with his or her place in the universe, and an immature person who thinks he or she is the center of the universe. The mature individuals know some things interest them and some things don't, but that some of those things that don't interest them do interest other people. They simply skip over anything that doesn't interest them. The immature people get upset that something that doesn't interest them was posted. If it doesn't interest them, why did anyone waste the time posting it? If anyone else is interested in it, they must be "losers".

        The real problem at the core for them is, every time something is posted that doesn't interest them, it proves that the universe does not revolve around them, and they just can't stand that. So they must complain. Any time the universe does not appear to be specifically tailored for them, they must complain. Obviously something is wrong with the universe if it isn't arranged for their ultimate convenience.

  • Seriously... this is news?
  • by rudy_wayne (414635) on Sunday September 09, 2007 @05:59PM (#20531849)
    After reading the "open letter" only one thought comes to mind.

    These guys really need to get a life.

  • From the site ...began to plot their dastardly plans...
    Come one, who can avoid imaging those Villians twiddling their beards in glee, in anticipation of their devious dastardly deeds.
  • When the second in charge was caught using windows.
  • So you've got this overlong, poorly-written drivel on their front page and that's all that seems to exist. All the links into the site result in 404 errors.

    Anyway, anyone knows that if you want a serial number, you download a keygen off a filesharing network. And make sure that you *don't virus scan it* or you could break it.

    - G
  • Hypocrisy (Score:4, Insightful)

    by lena_10326 (1100441) on Sunday September 09, 2007 @07:19PM (#20532473) Homepage
    The general consensus seems to be this story is a non-story, of course I would agree, but I find it highly illuminating that the consensus was very different when a similar story appeared regarding virtual corruption in the game of Eve, which in my opinion was a very non-story.

    http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/26/ 0016226 [slashdot.org]

    By the way, don't give me any bull that one is free and the other is a paid for service... they're both internet communities. No one is forced to use them.

    So, I guess the lesson is it only matters to you when it's a forum you happen to use.

    • Re:Hypocrisy (Score:5, Insightful)

      by jjohnson (62583) on Sunday September 09, 2007 @09:08PM (#20533247) Homepage
      Not quite. Regardless of ./ers participation in Eve, it's well known that it's a 100K strong community, so any interesting community dynamics are newsworthy, moreso because they reflect on the MMO genre itself.

      Most of the reason this is a non-story is that there's a total of four people with two servers involved. I'm far from certain that there's more than 100 people who even give a shit about the 'attempted coup'.
    • by Blakey Rat (99501)
      It's a matter of scale. Almost everybody reading Slashdot has heard of EVE Online, and EVE has tens of thousands of regular players. I think it's safe that nearly nobody on Slashdot, apart from the person who posted this story, has ever heard of this "underground Mac community." Guess what, a story about World of Warcraft, which has millions of regular players, would be bigger news than EVE Online news.

      Adding to the "who cares" factor:

      1) The story is a non-story; there was no coup, and no domain name change
  • by cypherz (155664) * on Sunday September 09, 2007 @07:24PM (#20532509)
    Very funny when pirates are upset when somebody tries to steal their board. Why would they think that their membership would behave honorably?
  • by ebcdic (39948) on Sunday September 09, 2007 @07:45PM (#20532657)
    If you're a computer security company no-one's ever heard of, you "conduct" an opinion poll showing that 84% of people will tell you their password in return for a jaffa cake, and the BBC will treat it as news. If you're a bunch of wannabe hackers that no-one's ever heard of, you make up a bunch of nonsense about a "coup" in your non-existent "community", and hey presto Slashdot will wet themselves.

  • so this kinda things seems to run in the family
  • (everyone say it with them)

    Drats!

  • Curses! (Score:3, Funny)

    by DragonTHC (208439) <Dragon@gamerAUDE ... l.com minus poet> on Sunday September 09, 2007 @11:05PM (#20534093) Homepage Journal
    and I would have gotten away with it if it hadn't been for you damn mac fanboys!

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