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Steve Jobs==Noah Wyle at Mac World 100

Posted by Hemos from the heh-funny-haha dept.
Stace writes "Apparently, Steve Jobs wasn't too upset with his portrayal in "Pirates of the Silicon Valley", as he got Noah Wyle to play him onstage during his keynote address at Mac World. Full story here. "
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  • Re:What's the current consensus guys? (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward
    Good or Bad? Black or White? On or Off?
    Sorry, it's not so simple. Dualism only gets you so far.
    But in the grand scheme of things, he's not that terrible. Much better than Gates.
    I'd put him up there with Bill Joy. Both Steve Jobs and Bill Joy have, well, issues from their youth that come back to haunt them, but both have clearly matured and become better people in the last two decades.
    Of Bill Gates one can hardly say as much.
  • Linux kernel 2.2.0 is out!!! Go get it from ftp.kernel.org!
  • There are people who liked:
    NeXT Cubes
    Apple ///
    Lisa

    Well, people liked, NeXT Step/Open Step, and the Macintosh, and Apple... Jobs left the Lisa project...

    Oh, I really liked Toy Story and A Bug's Like, hmmm, both Steve Jobs were involved in!

    Apples SUCCESS was its 'open' Apple ][

    Yeah, *was*, and Microsoft's success was DOS, they've both moved on eh?

    The iMac has sold almost 2 million units in one year! If Apple had not created the iMac, can you name any company that would have created a computer that would have caputured so much attention (from ORDINARY first time computer buying people?)

  • The video should be here [zdnet.com], but the link to it is broken.
  • He could write erotic literature. :)
  • I strongly doubt that Jobs has moved past his dark side. From what I know of him, he's always been a jerk of the highest caliber. While his PR presence may be helping Apple, I think that's it's still far more dangerous than it's worth to let him actually *do* anything.
  • The iMac has sold almost 2 million units in one year! If Apple had not created the iMac, can you name any company that would have created a computer that would have caputured so much attention (from ORDINARY first time computer buying people?)

    emachines [e4me.com].
  • well ?
  • The way I see is that both Jobs and Gates are obviously maniacal, but with Jobs it's always about making the best products, whereas with Gates it is always about making the most money. As a consumer, I'm taking what's behind door number one.

  • For $900 more? That's more than half of the price!?! I have two desktop machines. One is an x86 PC that dual boots Windoze and Linux. The other is a Mac that boots MacOS 8.6, LinuxPPC, and BeOS 4.5. I have powerful desktop systems. I don't need to spend $2500 for an all-inclusive notebook. What I need is a decent machine that's durable, fast, has a nice screen, and can hook into my network quickly and easily. I don't need DVD, and weight is not my primary concern so much as the ability to haul it to work and have it function all day without swapping batteries.

    The iBook is it. It's cheaper than most PC laptops with similar features, it has a great screen, built-in modem and Ethernet, and wireless networking so I can sit on my deck and surf with my cable modem wirelessly at 11MBps.

    And the iBook will sell very well. It's not because of Steve's salesmanship, it's because it's a great value (more so even than the iMac, which is expensive compared to the PC world).

  • OK... (Score:1)

    by sp- ( 11321 )
    If Steve Jobs is a "marketing guy" because he's advocating his company/products then Linus is a "marketing guy" for advocating linux.
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    Reveal your Source, Unleash the Power. (tm)
  • Nobody there had a social life, just sixty hour weeks living like monks doing product testing and development all day long.

    Anyone who puts up with something like this is plain stupid. Anyone who actually knows how to do development, right now, can name his own price, and work 40 hours a week. The shortage of highly-skilled, knowledgeable, developers grows more acute every day.
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  • Yes that was the most bizzare moment of the keynote.. I was kind of hoping to see a IBM exec bite the head off a chicken.. that would definetly prove that IBM has changed from the old suit and tie days.. :-)
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  • I just have to correct one thing here. The iMac was basically a powerbook with some desktop components and a CRT. Its motherboard is almost identical to the motherboards found in the PowerBook G3s of the era. Thus the floopy connector.
  • It was posted here because it's an interesting tidbit about a highly-publized show about two high-tech founding fathers.

    If you don't want to read about it, why did you click the read more link?
  • it works. i watched it last night.

    Some really cool things i learned about Quicktime 4/Quicktime TV. It streams over the net better than real's format becuase it has contracted out to a company that has thousands of dedicated servers accross the net so that your stream doesnt come from over saturated servers/connections but from a local dedicated server. The technology is supposidly better than reals (imho, it is, but its still arguable), and the server is open sourced (hence the linux quicktime server that recently came out).

    BBC One already has a continuous live feed using the quicktime format.

    -Z

    "You're a better me than me" Jobs talking to Noah W.
  • Like most folk, he's both. His specialty is inspiring people. He tries to hold onto whatever they create, but he does pay them well to make it, and he treats them well while they work for him. But they are working FOR him. Sometimes his rhetoric indicates otherwise, because he does work at inspiring people. But he sees the creation as his.

  • Surprise, surprise, surprise... The QuickTime link has been slashdotted... (At least, the video has, not the page itself.)

  • can someone post the correct realplayer link?

  • Some links... (Score:3)

    by blukens ( 27693 ) on Sunday July 25, 1999 @02:21PM (#1785253)
    Yeah, anyone that remotely follows Apple knew about this 5 days ago, but apparently not everyone on slashdot does. Go figure. :)
    Anyway, for those interested go to http://www.apple.com/quicktime/showcase/live/mwny9 9/ for Apple's QuickTime 4 streaming movie of the whole keynote. Fastforward past the first 20 minutes or so, its just shots of the crowd gathering and bad music. :)
    Go to http://www.apple.com/hotnews/features/mwny99/ for Apple's page on the expo, including pics of Steve and Noah and a bunch of links to news stories on other sites.
  • You must not know a lot of investment bankers, then. A lousy bonus (say $300K when they expect $500K) is the first thing that sends them out the door. And a 60 hour work week is pretty light for most bankers...
  • Is a degree in English really a requirement for participating in discussions here at /.? Some people have better things to do with their time than sending their posts through a grammer checker. Most programmers are known for having horrible grammer skills.

    What is it with these perl guys, anyway? Don't they know that elsif should have another e in there somewhere? Bah, they must all be script kiddies.

  • I caught the video, on ZDTV I think. It was pretty funny - and Wyle did do a pretty good job of looking/sounding like him

    Quote of the Day: HTACCESS/Apache can kiss my butt.
  • Well, most of the 603 based power pcs can't run mklinux or any of the bsd's, but this is due to the fact that they are crappy machines. The power PC performas with little to no upgrade capability, built for use by the same sort of people who use iMacs. I tried to find something for a 603 based machine, but no luck. Anything else runs some sort of *nix/BSD, though, even the old mac II machines. Which is way cool.
  • /. at its worst. The entire discussion is garbage. Was the article posted here because people are interested or because it would raise people's hackles? This is what /. needs to move away from.

    cheers,

    Matthew Reilly
  • I don't have anything against the news tidbit being posted or there being a lively, intelligent discussion. But that's not what is happening. Just a lot of juvenile, my car/penis/OS is better than all others posturing. This is what I meant by it being /. at it's worst. No matter what discussions start out as they usually devolve to this.
  • Actually, my Supermac C600 (603e) has run LinuxPPC, I'm pretty sure it can run MKLinux & I'm working on getting NetBSD/ppc to boot. As long at the box is PCI based you shouldn't have a problem with it.

    cheers,


    Matthew

  • and what EXACTLY is 'great' about the iBook? Colors? Curves?


    The primary thing that is good about the iBook is the same thing that's was good the orignal Mac and the iMac, they bring advanced features and concepts to people who wouldn't ordinarily have the time or patience to learn them or the understanding to grasp them. For the iBook, that component is pervasive computing, being able to treat the computer like a natural part of your everyday experience. The wireless networking option is truly forward thinking for a consumer machine (don't forget who it's aimed at). This will be GREAT for schools.

    Believe it or not, some people in computing are thinking about something other than the next revision to the Linux kernel...

  • For all those who missed it, here is the where the Steve Jobs Keynote Address can be viewed here:

    RealVideo and Windows MediaPlayer
    (sponsored by Microsoft and Intel, oddly enough)

    Streaming QuickTime (4.0) [apple.com]


  • All 3 Jobs was involved. All 3 can be called failures.

    While I think there's a little fact-bending regarding history going on here, it's irrelevant in the point that the iMac has been wildly successful. Jobs rode the iMac to introduction.


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    Scott Stevenson
  • Just proved the author's point.

    - Scott
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    Scott Stevenson

  • Its motherboard is almost identical to the motherboards found in the PowerBook G3s of the era.

    This is completely and utterly intentional, BTW. Apple has been working towards a unified hardware architecture.


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    Scott Stevenson
  • *mindless rant*
    he'd rather use that still twitching body to examine the electrical processes in his body/mind. or, perhaps he'd use him for a test of uploading a brain.. an activity which, I believe, cannot be done. How would one possible transfer a mind? There are no ports in the brain that are compatible with the hardware that I've heard of in my life..

    *end mindless rant*
  • Yeah, and do you remember the guys at Parroty Interactive? They got kicked out of COMDEX for having a Bill Gates look-alike to promote their parody of Windows, Microshaft Winblows '98?
  • I'm not sure you know what a script kiddie is, or you wouldn't have used it in such a stupid manner.

    Sheez...kids these days!
  • I watched the keynote streamed and saw this myself. It was hilarious, especially when Noah Wyle asked Steve, "Are you still a virgin?" It's nice to see that Steve Jobs is ready to move past his dark side from those days.

  • It's a joke, ha-ha, funny, let's move on. Regardless of your personal opinons of Apple or Mr. Jobs, at least come up to the Big Blue Room and experience Actual Reality occasionally. Apple and the rest of the computer world losing it's sense of humor, is what got us into our present state. Lest we forget, there are other people out there who do not care about the subtle nuances of a computer, they just want to do the job and go on. I think it is refreshing to see a CEO of a multimillion corporaton who admits to watching TV. Could anyone see Bill Gates doing the same thing at a Micro$oft convention? I don't think so.
  • Have I missed something? I wouldn't call Steve Jobs a visionary, but he definitely knows how to make products that people will like--he's intelligent in that respect. Jobs has done certain things to get the attention back on Apple, and this event is no exception. Jobs deserves respect for what he has done with Apple, even if you don't like the products Apple has put out under him. Pretty much anything anyone does won't be liked by someone, but it's important to give people the respect they deserve. Jobs has done the dirty work, but he's been graceful about it. Apple wouldn't be Apple without the influence of Jobs on the company, from the beginning. This keynote thing is pretty pointless, except to draw attention to Apple. A few years ago, the MacWorld keynotes were all but ignored by everyone but the Apple faithful. But that's all changed because of Steve Jobs.

    I'm surprised at some of the Slashdotters that have replied to this article. I use Mac OS, Linux, and Windoze; Mac OS is my favorite OS for some reasons, Linux for others, and Windoze...well, anyway. I thought most Linux users were capable of respecting the other operating systems and the force behind them. While this force is just as different as the operating systems themselves, it should not be taken for granted. I may be speaking for myself, but most Mac users aren't looking for an "objective" opinion, but rather respect. We have reasons for choosing Mac OS, just like you have reasons for choosing Linux. After experiencing both Linux and Mac OS, I can respect both operating systems. Please do the same.
  • Are we discounting any PCI based PowerMac that runs LinuxPPC (including iMac and B&W G3's)? Plus most 68K Macs & NuBus PMacs that can run MKLinux? Plus the fact that MacOS X is BSD based??

    So what machines of his don't run unix/linux? The Mac Plus? Get with the program.
  • My father places Full life cycle high level programers for a living, he knows his candidates well and they tell him about the places they worked. He has heard nothing but bad things about Steve Jobs, if the movie went into his behavior when he was with NEXT it would have revealed yet again how an ingenious product was screwed up by a personality problem rivaled only by Calligula.

    I know steve cares about a quality product, I'd buy something made by him over something from Bill Gates if I had a choice, but I'd never want to work for him and my Father would not place a good candidate under him but encourage them to go elsewhere.

    Bill Gates isn't much better, I have a friend in seattle that worked for microsoft for a year. Nobody there had a social life, just sixty hour weeks living like monks doing product testing and development all day long. Not even paid that well either, he does his product testing with underpaid temps without bennies...wonder why windows still crashes? there's your answer.
  • I agree wholeheartedly MrSam that anyone that puts up with that is stupid. Yet many do. Some think that if they put up with it in Microsoft, with such experiance on their resume they will be able to name their price when they move on. Some hope to move within the company.

    My friend that got a job there was a pretty entry level tech that went into a seattle computer training course run by that state's welfare department because her teaching degree was pretty useless there. She only got long term sub assignments with no decent pay.

    Anyway, she and others in her classes were then put into an agency that paid them about $10hr to run various programs on windows 98 (before it was released) and report on each programs functionality. They also did hardware installation. There was no real quality control in that environment, over personel, or anything. And the manager running that department would obstruct any and all attempts anyone there had of moving into a permanent position and a different department of microsoft. It was a hell-hole.

    But what surprises me is how many high level people in many different places, even investment banks, tolerate getting lousy Bonuses and work 60 hour weeks. Sometimes it's someone that is very talented from overseas that wants a work visa ans citizenship desperately getting taken advantage of, but most of the time it's someone that just doesn't know their own worth. Still there are good managers too that fight for their workers to keep a 40 hr week, people just have to look.

    The only person I know that works 60 weeks that is reasonable is a consultant friend that takes six month off a year, he makes incredible money. I'd do that if I could :).
  • Well, I never claimed to be a headhunter myself, my father is and if there are people that are being underpaid because they do not know their own worth and are breaking thier ass besides I am sure he has not misrepresented some people he has met, and put into higher paying jobs. You are correct that there are some people that will willingly work above 60 hr weeks if they are compensated adequately, and that most people will leave if they are not compensated well. Most. That I point out that there are people that do not know their own worth and work as hard as people that do with the same skills does not really give you a foothold to say "I must no know a lot of investment bankers then". I don't nor have I claimed to that wasn't what I was talking about.

    My father places programmers and techs that are high-level but hands-on that support the investment bankers, they are NOT "the" investment bankers themselves. Their bonuses are not 300 to 500k unless they happen to be the cheif information officer or are of similar stature. Most bonuses for the support managment/disaster recovery guy or higher level programmer is more modest, though it seems like a lot of money to me right now (about 35,000 was a guaranteed bonus I heard accepted in a negotiation).

    BTW there are some investment banks and particularly some managers that are notorius for poor bonuses that do indeed lose a lot of good people. Perhaps they are where entry-level people pay their dues for experiance until they can go elsewhere, such places are usually where my father will try to recruit from since most employees are all too willing to leave. But still some people will put up with that crap and stay for a decade or more, who knows why....
  • He's just another CEO who's a bit whackier than Bill Gates and is not so money obsessed. He's made quite few mistakes like the LISA and hiring Sculley from Pepsi.

    Apple's not the start up from 1977 or even 1983. I would put it on a par in corpoate wholesomeness as IBM or Oracle (not quite as bad as Microsoft).

    I would say he's about 0.7 Bill Gates on the scale of assholeness.
  • Is anyone supposed to understand what you are saying? Or are you just being cute, trying to talk like a hollywood hacker...

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