Apple Asks EU To Scrap Landmark Digital Competition Law (france24.com) 36
Apple asked the European Union to scrap its landmark digital competition law on Thursday, arguing that it poses security risks and creates a "worse experience" for consumers. From a report: The US tech giant and the EU have repeatedly locked horns over the bloc's Digital Markets Act (DMA), which Brussels says seeks to make the digital sector in the 27-nation bloc fairer and more open. "The DMA should be repealed while a more appropriate fit for purpose legislative instrument is put in place," Apple said in a formal submission to the European Commission as part of a consultation on the law.
[...] "It's become clear that the DMA is leading to a worse experience for Apple users in the EU," the tech giant said in a blog post accompanying its submission. "It's exposing them to new risks, and disrupting the simple, seamless way their Apple products work together."
[...] "It's become clear that the DMA is leading to a worse experience for Apple users in the EU," the tech giant said in a blog post accompanying its submission. "It's exposing them to new risks, and disrupting the simple, seamless way their Apple products work together."
FTFY (Score:5, Insightful)
"is leading to a worse experience for Apple PROFITS in the EU"
Re:FTFY (Score:4)
If Apple thinks it's bad for the consumer, it must be good for us.
Actually it says a lot about how shit their security is if they can't even allow third party software distribution without it being a serious issue.
Re:FTFY (Score:5, Insightful)
I bought Apple BECAUSE of "it just works" and not having to worry about crap from 3rd party vendors....
You still have that option. Opening the platform doesn't force you to buy 3rd party crap, you are still free to use only the Apple crap if you like that more.
If you want all out choice (good or bad) there are other options
There are two choices. That's not a competitive marketplace. It leaves the platforms free to abuse their users (as both Apple and Google have been convicted of doing).
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And...what warnings? My experience with app store is, I click to install and it may ask for my apple password (especially if it costs money)....but there are not EULAs or warnings I've ever seen before....?
Apple Sells phones, Samsung sells phones...Google sells phones...and others....there are choices out there....
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Apple Sells phones, Samsung sells phones...Google sells phones...and others....there are choices out there....
Yeah, you're complaining that you have to "look at a EULA or warnings" (poor baby, that must be so hard for you), and don't even try to understand the viewpoint of other people.
You're basically an asshole.
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So why are you worried now? Are you scared that you might accidentally install a third party app store, click through all the warnings, and then search for and install an app?
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Are the 3rd party apps CLEARLY marked as 3rd party and not vetted by Apple?
If not,that would help....
And...what warnings? My experience with app store is, I click to install and it may ask for my apple password (especially if it costs money)....but there are not EULAs or warnings I've ever seen before....?
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You are in an entirely third party app store. Apple's official App Store is still a walled cesspit. And what's more, Apple still claims to look at apps from 3rd party stores and has blocked at least one so far.
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Sure, I wonder why they didn't do it already, such an insignificant blip...
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Yeah, but those 500 million Europeans probably have more money then a billion Indians. Much better to sell expensive accessories at insane markups to people with more money than sense.
That's a big reason so much of the world is so mad about the tariffs. How dare Americans not give us free access to their wallets..mkk. I mean markets...
EU Response (Score:4, Interesting)
Um, no.
something is off about corps arguing laws (Score:2, Interesting)
Dumbest argument ever (Score:5, Insightful)
arguing that it poses security risks
Although Google is in the process of taking it away and therefore preparing to also be slapped by the EU, sideloading doesn't make Android phones unsafe. If you don't turn it on, then it doesn't have any effect.
Only big idiots buy Apple's story, it's not going to have any effect either.
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So far they are only breaking it for Pixel devices, as the change is that they did not include Pixel device trees in AOSP as they have done previously. And they are using the same kind of bullshit language as Apple to justify it, except it's even dumber because instead of appealing to security they are appealing to convenience — which this change reduces as it makes it harder for their customers to switch the OS on their devices.
I'm not going to assume they aren't going to try to kill off all ability
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So far they are only breaking it for Pixel devices
Which GrapheneOS absolutely needs because they are the only devices with the security features the OS needs.
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I've read enough of the GrapheneOS features page [grapheneos.org] to get bored, and I see a lot of good stuff there that reasonably applies to any device.
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GrapheneOS relies on the hardware security features to make sure that it secures data on the device and other similar features and that needs the device drivers and support for the device drivers which are not available for any other device that I know of. Only Pixel made that available. They now try to find an OEM who would be willing to build a device that they could be compatible with. That's not the same as building their own device which would be much more risky, but it's still a problem. Previously, i
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I don't know what hardware security features you mean. If you do, maybe you could spell them out, because it's not immediately obvious and I'd rather not go hunting.
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The full list of hardware requirements is here
https://grapheneos.org/faq#fut... [grapheneos.org]
which includes the security features. Also elsewhere in the same FAQ are lists of implemented security features.
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Allowing alternative app stores [kali.org] opens the possibility of a store where all apps are thoroughly vetted for security purposes, which would mean you could finally have an App store on Apple that is secure.
Yeah, Tim? (Score:3)
Well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
I understand now --- (Score:5, Interesting)
Monopolizing (Score:5, Insightful)
... disrupting the simple, seamless way their Apple products work together ...
Well, I like products that also work together simply and seamlessly with products from OTHER brands. (I mean, it's still an ideal in many cases, and unfortunately big brands all would like to have their own walled ghett... I mean, garden.)
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I could be running this site: Europe's Cookie Law Messed Up the Internet. Brussels Wants To Fix It [slashdot.org].
That's what I get for reading from the top down.
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The GDPR hat little todo with the cookie law.
The cookie law is the watered down replacement for the do-not-track legal proposal and yes, I agree, it is inadequate.
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The GDPR hat little todo with the cookie law.
Which cookie law? Perhaps I misremember history.
What I recall was the EU passed the GDPR and that mandated anyone operating a web site in the EU had to ask for consent before collecting personally identifying information, that is, cookies. Since web sites are global, that meant anyone operating a global site had to comply with GDPR requirements.
If something else happened, please complete the story.
Apple going to invest in Intel (Score:3)
This is an Intel buy signal.
They are clearly going to suck up to Trump to try to get him to bully the EU. The easiest way is joining the Intel investment parade.
Translation (Score:2)
"It's exposing them to new risks, and disrupting the simple, seamless way their Apple products work together."
For those looking to translate this horseshit into what they really mean to say, here you go:
"It's exposing them to increased shouts of FUD from us, and disrupting the simple, now-illegal way that Apple products lock users in and create a competitive moat around them."
"Worse user experience" (Score:2)
Translates to "we can shove more crap onto people, then charge them for it. And especially, it keeps us from shoving AI down their throats."
Out of touch (Score:2)
It is quite ironic that they believe they could do that.
europe provides an open single market that invites also Us players to make business biut in a democracy laws are a matter of the people, not foreign corporations. Apple has no business whatsoever to tell us what to do with our laws
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It is quite ironic that they believe they could do that.
europe provides an open single market that invites also Us players to make business biut in a democracy laws are a matter of the people, not foreign corporations. Apple has no business whatsoever to tell us what to do with our laws
Which is why you can't have some Nice Things. . .
Smallest violin (Score:1)
Apple has no interest in anything that will make their platform more open or in any way more fair. The took frickin' 6 years to implement RCS on iPhone, all to protect iMessage and keep people locked into iPhone. They can get fucked.