macOS 26 May Not Support 2018 MacBook Pros, 2019 iMacs, or the iMac Pro (appleinsider.com) 123
Apple's upcoming macOS 26 operating system may abandon support for several older Mac models, according to AppleInsider. The casualties will include 2018 MacBook Pro models, the 2020 Intel MacBook Air, the 2017 iMac Pro, and the 2018 Mac mini -- all currently the oldest machines compatible with macOS Sequoia, the report said, citing a source familiar with the matter. The 2019 MacBook Pro models and 2020 5K iMac models will retain compatibility with the new system, codenamed "Cheer," said AppleInsider.
Time to drop intel support (Score:1)
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I used a 2012 model until just this year. That is a good 13 years.
I didn't upgrade because my 2012 unit wasn't supported. I upgraded solely for a bigger screen, from 13" to 16".
I think that's a lot more common than you think.
I still have and will use the 2012 unit, for various reasons and scenarios.
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I used a 2012 model until just this year. That is a good 13 years.
I didn't upgrade because my 2012 unit wasn't supported. I upgraded solely for a bigger screen, from 13" to 16".
I think that's a lot more common than you think.
I still have and will use the 2012 unit, for various reasons and scenarios.
I'm still using a 15" mid-2012 2.6 GHz i7 MacBook Pro . I don't game or do any serious graphics/video stuff; so it gets me by.
But at this point, it won't be long before I put it into semi-retirement.
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Good for you. We had to ditch my wife's 2015 MBP (and went to Dell) after it wasn't able to be updated to the latest OS, and Photoshop and other applications she uses for her business couldn't be installed unless the latest OS was installed, which Apple no longer supported. Glad you aren't doing anything serious with your computer and you can let it limp along with an outdated OS. YMMV.
You didn't try even a LITTLE bit!
With just a little help from OpenCore Legacy Patcher, You could've installed the Current OS, macOS 15.x Sequoia, on that 2015 Mac:
https://www.intego.com/mac-sec... [intego.com]
Now hand in your Geek Card immediately; that is, if you ever had one! 8-D
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My geek card is doing just fine. I already know about OpenCore Legacy Patcher. I took one look at that and NOPED out of there. Sorry, I'm just not into the hacky shit that has to be done to get a perfectly good MBP to run the latest OS. I don't have the time for it.
Installing Linux also an option (Score:2)
>OpenCore Legacy Patcher
My geek card is doing just fine. I already know about OpenCore Legacy Patcher. I took one look at that and NOPED out of there. Sorry, I'm just not into the hacky shit that has to be done to get a perfectly good MBP to run the latest OS. I don't have the time for it.
Yep. I installed Linux on my 2012 MBP. It works. It gets patches. And sometimes I could use a Linux laptop. It's an ugly mess, heat shrink tubing holding the power supply connectors on. :-)
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My 2011 MBP was like that. In about 2016 the battery overheated and puffed up. I managed to coherce apple into replacing it free (thanks to local laws in australia that deem puffing-up lithium batteries as a manufacturing fault, thus coming under the 'lifetime warranty' clause. But it managed to thread a bunch of screws in the buckled back case. By the time I finished iwth the old girl, the only thing original was the case , I'd even upgraded the logic board at one point due to a coffee spill. But that case
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We had a 2011 MBP and had to have the motherboard replaced 7 times before Apple finally wanted to charge us $1200 for the 8th replacement. We sent it to a 3rd party to get "reballed", but that only worked for so long. We sued Apple in a class action with loads of other 2011 MBP owners and won. That's how we got the 2015 MBP.
That was the ones with warped NVidia GPUs.
Didn't just affect Apple.
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It's way more complex than a Windows upgrade.
Stop embarassing yourself.
You know NOTHING about this, Hater!
STFU and GTFO.
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Funny because a Windows upgrade was nothing more than a single click. OpenCore by contrast has many pages of instructions to follow. Go fuck off and troll somewhere else.
You're the one that started the argument, Pussy.
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Windows upgrades are one click in an ideal world. But so are many upgrades for other systems. My last two Windows upgrades were not one-click. The last upgrade failed at the end after multiple reboots with no explanation than "an error occurred". And then Windows tried again. After the third time, I stopped it.
I was finally able to do it with an downloadable, offline version (that was not easy to find). I can only guess that the online version needed to download a component during the upgrade; however, it
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>OpenCore Legacy Patcher
My geek card is doing just fine. I already know about OpenCore Legacy Patcher. I took one look at that and NOPED out of there. Sorry, I'm just not into the hacky shit that has to be done to get a perfectly good MBP to run the latest OS. I don't have the time for it.
You're an idiot.
OCLP just includes back some hardware drivers that Apple removed from biolfd.
Hardly any hacky shit going on.
Again, I doubt the authenticity of that Geek Card. Even more now.
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I just don't care about fixing a shitty laptop with a shitty hack. You are welcome to go fuck off.
Pussy.
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Sure, but you forget to mention that this "backporting" can break a lot of stuff people actually use, like video playback, facetime, photo library, etc.
I have used it on Intel MacBooks and the glitches were not pretty.
First off, no specifics. Were you suddenly thinking your 2008 iMac was suddenly going to be able to smoothly play back 8k Video? If so, you're the one that needs a sanity check.
Second, OCLP doesn't "Backport, which implies reverse-engineering Code; they merely Re-Include Hardware Drivers that Apple has decided to drop out of their Standard Build. It's because of macOS' Microkernel Architecture that that can be done without a bunch of folderol and unintended consequences.
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Re: Time to drop intel support (Score:2)
You keep repeating this bs over and over, when it's blatantly false.
Current PS is supported down to Mac OS 12, which on its part is supported down to most 2015-16 Macs.
Even if it was true (it isn't) that PS required the latest system, current Mac OS 15 is supported down to 2017-18 Macs. That are 8 years old machines, with a chipset change in the middle.
I just replaced my old MB Pro 2016 just before it looses support, but used it until recentes, including all Adobe apps.
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Good for you. We ditched my wife's 2015 MBP (and went to Dell) after it wasn't able to be updated to the latest OS, and Photoshop and other applications she uses couldn't be installed unless the latest OS was installed, which Apple no longer supported. Glad you aren't doing anything serious with your computer and you can let it limp along with an outdated OS. YMMV.
I perfectly understand you (and your wife). In a proffesional setting, using OCPL may not be allowed, for certification or liability reasons...
I hope the Dell you guys got is Win11 compatible, and also hope that can be brought to Win12 when the time comes (my guess is a couple of years).
I plan on going back to Windows/Linux, I as Want both RAM and SSD to be upgradeable, and upgradeable with parts from multiple vendors. If, from now to the Time OCPL stops supporting supported MacOS versions on my current HW
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Doesn't matter, Windows 10 still runs the latest and greatest version of Photoshop. Too bad Macs don't unless you have the latest and greatest mac.
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Hey, I'm with the GP. If they'd just cut off ALL Intel CPUs, then people who own them wouldn't have to put up with those constant unwanted "Upgrade to..." popups anymore!
I'm trying to think when the last time was that I saw an actual advantage to a newer version of OS X / macOS... but I'm drawing a blank.
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Was a replacement Dell significantly cheaper than a replacement Macbook?
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Have you ever looked at pricing on a Macbook? Certainly every company has laptops with comparable specs to Apple laptops and the prices aren't that far off. It's just that with Apple you are sort of forced to pay premium prices regardless of your needs. $900 for a 13 inch is still way more than a $600 15.6" laptop from another brand that is at least minimally functional.
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TBH Adobe not supporting the older MacOS sounds an awful lot like an Adobe thing, not an Apple thing.
Some Open Source packages still put out PowerPC builds, even though that hairy old beast hasn't been manufactured in 20+ years.
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Nobody is saying that only Apple pulls this crap. They are however, stating that Apple or anyone doing this is highly motivated by greed.
Advantages of newer version (Score:1)
I'm trying to think when the last time was that I saw an actual advantage to a newer version of OS X / macOS... but I'm drawing a blank.
Security updates and, for some users in some situations, application compatibility. Beyond that, you are correct.
Without security updates (be it Linux, Unix, Windows, MacOS, or anything else) I'm a sitting duck if my machine is on the interwebs and I'm using it like most people do.
If I absolutely must run a certain app but it requires MacOS version N or higher, then I will need to be running MacOS version N or higher. But in my case, if I need to run MacOS at all, I don't need to run macOS $CURRENT.
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Their security updates are also back-ported to the previous two iterations of the OS. Regardless, I don't think of "security updates" as a compelling new feature... if they're restricted to the newest iteration of an OS, it's an artificial restriction.
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I don't think of "security updates" as a compelling new feature
True, but they do add a couple of years to the useful life of a machine.
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Alas, discompatibility comes with that, too. I was happily using an ancient finance application on my (2012) MBP until MacOS Catalina came out in 2019. That was the first version of MacOS to drop 32-bit application support. I put off for a long while, because I had 15 years of financial records in that old application, and continued using it weekly. But security updates were important, and it was obvious that no newer v
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I'm trying to think when the last time was that I saw an actual advantage to a newer version of OS X / macOS... but I'm drawing a blank.
Apple issues security patches only for versions N, N-1 and N-2, but they only guarantee ALL HOLES will be patched in version N. For N-1 and N-2 they reserve the right to decide wich holes will be patched and which ones will not be patched...
From a puerly security standpoint, one is better of on Version N than on version N-1 or N-2.
Let me use myself as an example. My two machines are a MacMini 2018 6 core, and a 2015 Air 13". Due to a desire of UI consistency, both are on version N (the Air via OCPL). This i
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Unfortunately this isn't an "Intel support" problem, this is an Apple greed problem. If they kept supporting older models, then people wouldn't keep buying their hardware, because the hardware doesn't actually need to be upgraded. Apple forces an upgrade because older systems can't get OS updates and software applications can't be updated unless you update the OS. This has happened countless times no matter what CPU Apple is currently pushing. And it will happen to ARM-based Apple hardware too.
Apple's greed? Wash your mouth out with iSoap.
It's 2025, you mean to say any self respecting Apple Imaginer has not bought a new Mac in 5 years and you think Apple is the problem? Where's the loyalty... It's only several thousand dollars... Report for iRe-education immediately.
They should be grateful that Apple is using such a subtle reminder of their obligations and ingratitude.
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The hardware does not need to be upgraded.
It works just fine.
And there never was a motivation for me or my friends to buy a new Mac model because it "ran out of support".
Why would anyone do that?
The idea that an OS needs constant upgrades is just hyperbole.
If your browser stops working, then learn ho to use "brew update SSL-certificates" (google how to do it exactly).
Apple is not forcing any "upgrades", you are just an idiot that does not know computers or an OS works.
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Leave the overheating cpus behind for good. It's been five years since the move to Arm, time to make the switch permanent.
I guess apple WANTS to drop support for all intel macs, but I think the legislation of some jurisdiction prenet them to do it. If you read the fine print of most apple support, warranties and legalese, they carve special provisions for California, Turkey, and one or two more... Which is... odd?... to say the least...
So, probably, if this rumour is 100% correct, we have to thank the remianing supported Macs to those jusrisdictions. This also will allow the OCPL crowd to keep the gravvy train rolling for a fe
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My oldest Intel NUC circa 2016 is still my primary workstation, the others are all servers. All have 32 GB of RAM, run Linux, with no software issues as to modernity. So far, so good, with no end in sight.
Apple is consumer grade hardware that comes with limited hand-holding if you visit the Apple Store where you bought it, it seems. For those that can afford anything, I won't knock it, especially if they're pros, but for most folks Apple is a poor value due to planned obsolescence, but then go and try to ex
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My oldest Intel NUC circa 2016 is still my primary workstation, the others are all servers. All have 32 GB of RAM, run Linux, with no software issues as to modernity. So far, so good, with no end in sight.
Apple is consumer grade hardware that comes with limited hand-holding if you visit the Apple Store where you bought it, it seems. For those that can afford anything, I won't knock it, especially if they're pros, but for most folks Apple is a poor value due to planned obsolescence, but then go and try to explain Linux to everyone.
People understand Apple, Microsoft, Linux, SAMSUNG, because they saw an ad financed by a product that costs real money. This is why Linux always loses. #marketing
One has to distinguish between the Linux Kernel, the Linux collective, and specific Linux distros. A 2013 NUC will run RHEL 10 no problem, but earlier NUCs will not, as they Lack the necesary AMD64 V3 instruction set.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Meanwhile NUCs containing processors as late as Broadwell or Zen4 will not work as soon and RHEL decides that they will go to AMD64-V4. Yes, ther will be other distros still supporting AMD64-V3, as right now there are distros supporting AMD64-V2 and older. But
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You're correct, and your most splendid, detailed, and technically informative comment is insightful.
Meanwhile upon reflection I just want to correct something I wrote earlier. I wrote, "People understand Apple, Microsoft, Linux, SAMSUNG", but what I meant to write, "People understand Apple, Microsoft, Google, SAMSUNG", (because of paid marketing).
I'm sorry, but as I get older I keep messing up like this.
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Thank you for chivarlous answer.
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I have one of the last Intel mac models. It's served a good life.
An ARM based replacement will be no use since it doesn't have the specific CPU instructions I need and use. A windows laptop is no replacement because programming on windows is a shit show - MS C doesn't even have getopt. My windows builds for my command line tools have to use a replacement getopt library (ya_getopt) because visual studio doesn't doesn't have this library that is in the K&R C book FFS.
I'm on a Linux based Framework 16 now.
Support and Upgrade are two different things (Score:2)
Leave the overheating cpus behind for good. It's been five years since the move to Arm, time to make the switch permanent.
Upgrading to a newer version of macOS is one thing. Getting security patches for an older version of macOS is another. Intel Macs will probably still get patches for another two years after macOS goes ARM only.
Meanwhile in Linux land... (Score:4, Insightful)
Looks like ubuntu 26.04 will still be supporting my thinkpad W510 from 2010. I think it originally came with 8.04. Can't remember if it was a preinstall at this point or merely the official OK form Lenovo along with a blank hard disc.
Anyway, looks like Apple want to bring the world of android-level hardware support to laptops. This is not an improvement.
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Have you actually used Apple Silicon? I have M1 and M3 MacBook Pros, and they are well beyond Android-level ARM chips.
Re: Meanwhile in Linux land... (Score:3)
I have. Unlike their Intel counterparts, even the overpriced models (which is admittedly all of them, so let's just say upper tier) only support two monitors, meaning you have to rely on shitty display link, which fucking sucks.
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I have. Unlike their Intel counterparts, even the overpriced models (which is admittedly all of them, so let's just say upper tier) only support two monitors, meaning you have to rely on shitty display link, which fucking sucks.
M4 Macs bring that to at least Three Monitors, even in the Base-model SoC:
https://support.apple.com/en-u... [apple.com]
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And before that, the intel variant supported something like six. But the bigger problem here is that macos doesn't support displayport MST, so even if you have the aggregate bandwidth available, you can't even do all of it through a single thunderbolt connection. You know what can? My 17" lg gram that costs less than half what my macbook went for, not to mention comes in at less than a quarter of the weight of my 16" macbook.
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And before that, the intel variant supported something like six. But the bigger problem here is that macos doesn't support displayport MST, so even if you have the aggregate bandwidth available, you can't even do all of it through a single thunderbolt connection. You know what can? My 17" lg gram that costs less than half what my macbook went for, not to mention comes in at less than a quarter of the weight of my 16" macbook.
I'm sorry. I linked to the wrong list.
How's EIGHT monitors for ya?
https://support.apple.com/en-u... [apple.com]
And now you're moving the goalposts, with cost and weight metrics that have nothing to do with Monitor Support.
Re: Meanwhile in Linux land... (Score:2)
I didn't move any goalposts. The point is that even with overpriced, overweight hardware, it still somehow manages to do less. A normal person would say something like "yeah, that's kind of dumb", where an appletologist can't stand hearing even one single solitary negative thing about their religion, so they have to defend it even when it's obviously stupid.
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I didn't move any goalposts.
Yes you did.
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Which Mac models only support two monitors?
Mine's an M2 (pro IIRC) 16" macbook.
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I presume it wasn't so much a criticism of the ARM strategy, but of the proposed pace of being unsupported.
Microsoft has also been a bit more aggressive, with Windows 11 launching without support for some systems that were shipped not even a year before Windows 11 launch.
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"Will Apple be supporting Intel Macs running the previous Mac OS for 4 more years once Mac OS 26 is released?"
No, or at least not likely. The usual routine is the previous OS gets two and only two years of security updates. So the current OS, Sequoia, will get two years of security updates after 26 comes out in the fall. So all support will be ended in autumn of 2027.
Fortunately all the Intel boxes can run Linux.
There is a lot of debate about what will happen to the 2020 M1 machines. Most of then were sold
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beyond Android-level ARM chips.
I wasn't talking about speed, I was talking about hardware support. A machine crapping out of OS updates after a scant 6 years is like Android.
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Have you actually used Apple Silicon? I have M1 and M3 MacBook Pros, and they are well beyond Android-level ARM chips.
Beyond what? Silicon doesn't need to be beyond other silicon. They just need to be beyond the apps I use on it. If you give me new hardware for free then it's better. If I need to spend money on speed or other specifications that I don't need then it's not better.
A Ferrari doesn't drive any faster than a Ford Pinto in a school zone.
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Hmm... Are you sure about that support horizon? My situation might be similar, though I have a "vintage" MacBook Pro from circa 2012. I converted it to Ubuntu 24.10 with only moderate difficulty, but 25.04 still won't boot. (My last working ThinkPad died about a year ago. Too much hassle with the CMOS battery... But I have an ancient Omron device that is still giving me battery heck every couple of years.)
Right now I have the former Apple double-booting with GRUB, but I'm having trouble motivating myself fo
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Anyway, looks like Apple want to bring the world of android-level hardware support to laptops. This is not an improvement.
First of all this is speculation. It may be true and it may not be. The speculation is entirely based on the fact that pre-release versions of the newest OS were listed as compatible with certain models. It might have been that older hardware could run the pre-release version but not everything was working so Apple did not list them as compatible. Or Apple simply did not list every model in a beta.
Second, other than the 2020 Macbook Air, all the other models will be 7 years old or older. The Macbook Air wil
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I am not sure about you but 5 or 7 versions is much longer than I've seen in Android support.
I have a fairphone so...
Also 7 is still pathetic.
Lastly, just because hardware is not getting the newest OS version, that does not mean the hardware is not getting new software.
OS security updates stop after a while, usually 3 years. So before 10 years is up, your machine will be unpatched.
The major difference for Android is that updates are at the whim of the phone manufacturer.
That's the same as Apple. In PC world
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Also 7 is still pathetic
Compared to what? Your FairPhone promises 10 years but has yet to actually fulfill that promise.
OS security updates stop after a while, usually 3 years.
Citation needed. In the example provided, Pixel phones were getting updates as of March 2025. iPhones from 2018 are still getting updates
So before 10 years is up, your machine will be unpatched.
As I pointed above, that's not true.
By the way what phones have been patched for 10 years? Remember FairPhone promises 10 years support but their Fairphone 1: 2 years. Fairphone 2: 4 years. Fairphone 3: going on 5. However none of them have 10 versions of Android.
That's the same as Apple. In PC world, the OS and hardware vendor are decoupled, so support is at the whim of the OS vendor, and yeah Linux is doing pretty well there.
And you missed
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Linux dropped support for 486 and early Pentium processors so it's not like Linux is innocent on this matter.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/... [zdnet.com]
I don't know how long Apple, or other organizations that produce operating systems, should support hardware. Someone is certainly going to complain about seeing trusted hardware losing access to the latest software. I'd likely still be running classic video games on a Pentium II if a power surge had not killed it years ago. I ran that computer with the knowledge it
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Linux dropped support for 486 and early Pentium processors so it's not like Linux is innocent on this matter.
That's an bonkers false equivalence. The last official Linux LTS kernel support ends on December 2026. Last orders for the i486 were in 2007, so it's going to have had around 20 years of support after the last ones shipped. but that's missing something rather major.
And the 486 was a very special case, very much in the embedded and special purpose market. Sales of desktops had petered out long before
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Linux dropped support for 486 and early Pentium processors so it's not like Linux is innocent on this matter.
That's an bonkers false equivalence. The last official Linux LTS kernel support ends on December 2026. Last orders for the i486 were in 2007, so it's going to have had around 20 years of support after the last ones shipped. but that's missing something rather major.
And the 486 was a very special case, very much in the embedded and special purpose market. Sales of desktops had petered out long before that. The Pentium II ended production in 2003, consumer sales of 486 effectively ended some time in mid 90s. I as a teenager without much cash scored a second hand Pentium desktop in 1997 or 6. From a practical point of view for the kind of market Apple is in, we're talking nearly 30 years of support for 486 desktops and laptops, not 6.
Maybe abandoning hardware from five years ago is "too soon".
No maybe about it. My thinkpad W510 is my daily driver home machine. I have a GPU desktop for heavy ML stuff, but basically this old machine running of course the latest, fully patched OS and browser does just about everything else.
Thing is a 486 is not a usable general purpose machine today. A 10 year old Mac, never mind a 6 year old one very much is.
10 year old Mac? No problem!
https://www.intego.com/mac-sec... [intego.com]
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10 year old Mac? No problem!
Funny how things have flipped around: a Linux user shaking his head at how mac users have to fuck with their machines, as opposed to Linux where it just works (tm). Are you guys made of time?
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10 year old Mac? No problem!
Funny how things have flipped around: a Linux user shaking his head at how mac users have to fuck with their machines, as opposed to Linux where it just works (tm). Are you guys made of time?
Double-Clicking the OCLP Installer to Install the latest macOS on a 10 year old Mac is hardly comparable with the mountains of bullshit a lot of Linux Victims have dealt with for years, with WiFi, Sound, and other ongoing Nightmares. . .
Don't even try.
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My home laptop was certified by the vendor for Linux and everything worked out of the box. Every time I've upgraded the OS, everything has worked. And it's still working 15 years later with zero fucking around.
My work laptop came with Linux pre installed and everything worked perfectly. If you're having problems with Linux these days you have a PEBKAC problem, such as buying a windows junkbox and expecting good things.
For those if us with shit to do it sounds like Linux is the minimum effort option too. No
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My home laptop was certified by the vendor for Linux and everything worked out of the box. Every time I've upgraded the OS, everything has worked. And it's still working 15 years later with zero fucking around.
My work laptop came with Linux pre installed and everything worked perfectly. If you're having problems with Linux these days you have a PEBKAC problem, such as buying a windows junkbox and expecting good things.
For those if us with shit to do it sounds like Linux is the minimum effort option too. No mucking work off brand hacky installers for an unsupported OS.
And also the vendor has better warranty options than Apple is able to offer too, because they don't hobble the hardware just so they can overcharge for storage/make machines go obsolete faster.
Workin' pretty hard on that pack of lies.
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Working pretty hard on a pile of cope.
I buy Thinkpads. They come preinstalled with Linux and everything works. And because they have replaceable SSDs, they offer next day on site repair and replacement, someone Apple can't do because they can't swap the SSD from a broken motherboard to a working one
Apple can't do that because they are too invested in ripping you off.
But feel free to keep lying.
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Working pretty hard on a pile of cope.
I buy Thinkpads. They come preinstalled with Linux and everything works. And because they have replaceable SSDs, they offer next day on site repair and replacement, someone Apple can't do because they can't swap the SSD from a broken motherboard to a working one
Apple can't do that because they are too invested in ripping you off.
But feel free to keep lying.
Right. That old meme. Most people who purchase Laptops never upgrade the internals. It's been true industry-wide for quite some time now.
And it is actually getting fairly easy for a savvy User to Upgrade/Replace the SSD in Mac minis and Studios, at least.
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Right. That old meme.
How's the cope going? You accused my of lying when I said Apple don't have the best warranty options, even though I was 100% true. And it's because they don't have replaceable SSDs.
Maybe this is the apple fanboi way? First accuse someone of lying because they make a true claim you don't like then deflect.
So why is it you think Apple solder their SSDs? It can't be a size/weight thing because others can compete there just fine. Maybe they just want to offer a low end consumer type experi
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I have a 2014 Mac mini running the current Linux Mint as a file server. Cinnamon is no problem on a 2.6 GHz i5 processor with the Iris Graphics package.
Even a 2012 mini works though that one has MATE. Would HD 4000 graphics work with Cinnamon? Shrug.
All the Intel Macs will have long lives as Linux boxes unless Linux starts demanding the added instructions. And most of those seem to be video related.
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They live as Linux boxes, but they're not exactly macs at that point, they can't do maccy things and run Mac software.
My laptop started as a Linux machine and remains that way to this day, 15 years later. I can still use it in the same way and do the same things as I every could.
But it's good nonetheless that your machines are not e waste
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Linux dropped support for 486 and early Pentium processors so it's not like Linux is innocent on this matter.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/... [zdnet.com]
I don't know how long Apple, or other organizations that produce operating systems, should support hardware. Someone is certainly going to complain about seeing trusted hardware losing access to the latest software. I'd likely still be running classic video games on a Pentium II if a power surge had not killed it years ago. I ran that computer with the knowledge it would not likely run anything new, and I didn't need it to run anything new since I had other computers. I ran games on this old computer because it meant that I'd avoid odd behavior I've seen in emulators and other means to attempt to run older software I liked on newer hardware.
Maybe abandoning hardware from five years ago is "too soon". That's a matter of opinion, and of economics for a company driven by profit. Even nonprofit efforts like Linux has a breaking point on this, at some point people lose interest in maintaining support for old hardware with new software.
Never fear!
The intrepid folks that Develop and Maintain the Most-Excellent Open Computer Legacy Patcher will almost assuredly have those Unsupported Macs humming along with macOS Updates for many more years!
https://www.intego.com/mac-sec... [intego.com]
And at this point, some Intel Macs are still supported; so the Intel Frameworks, etc. are still part of the OS.
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Not when Apple completely stops supporting x86_64 OS builds.
Are they going to backport arm64-only binaries to x86_64? Didn't think so.
No.
That will signal a line in the sand, as far as dragging Intel hardware forward. It happens. Just like I can't run Logic Pro X on the 1995 PowerMac 8500 sitting in my junk room.
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Linux dropped support for 486 and early Pentium processors so it's not like Linux is innocent on this matter.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/... [zdnet.com]
I don't know how long Apple, or other organizations that produce operating systems, should support hardware. Someone is certainly going to complain about seeing trusted hardware losing access to the latest software. I'd likely still be running classic video games on a Pentium II if a power surge had not killed it years ago. I ran that computer with the knowledge it would not likely run anything new, and I didn't need it to run anything new since I had other computers. I ran games on this old computer because it meant that I'd avoid odd behavior I've seen in emulators and other means to attempt to run older software I liked on newer hardware.
Maybe abandoning hardware from five years ago is "too soon". That's a matter of opinion, and of economics for a company driven by profit. Even nonprofit efforts like Linux has a breaking point on this, at some point people lose interest in maintaining support for old hardware with new software.
If you wanted to throw shade at Linux, you should have talked about DISTROS dropping HW support, instead of the Linux Kernel dropping support. No one is crying for dropped i486 support.
While the linux kernel still support the OG pentium and the i686, Many relevant distros (ubuntu, RH, Suse) dropped 32 bit OS support althogether*, Ditto for Win11.
Meanwhile, RedHat 10 requires AMD64 V3 (meaning 6th gen compared to Win11's 8th gen), V1 and V2, will not run at all....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Having said
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I had a 486 as my first work PC back in the mid-1990s which I was given as a cast off as senior people had been given Pentiums. At that time the chip was at least five years old, and the Pentium was entering circulation. Within a couple of years, well before the end of the decade, the chip was considered obsolete as were computers based upon it. The cheapest computers had Celerons, the middling Pentiums and Pentium MMXes, and the high end Pentium Pros or Pentium IIs. Nobody was selling computers with 486s i
the more things change (Score:2)
just like Windows 95, 98, 2000, and Illustrator 88.
This frees third-party vendors more than Apple (Score:2)
While supporting legacy hardware is extra work for Apple's macOS teams. Moving towards cutting an entire architecture out from most software vendor's support matrix is a huge benefit to them. For end-users, it was a good run and you can continue to run your old software on the old hardware. I do hope some applications will continue to receive security updates from their respective vendors, such as web browser.
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While supporting legacy hardware is extra work for Apple's macOS teams. Moving towards cutting an entire architecture out from most software vendor's support matrix is a huge benefit to them. For end-users, it was a good run and you can continue to run your old software on the old hardware. I do hope some applications will continue to receive security updates from their respective vendors, such as web browser.
The BIG Question is: How long will Rosetta2 be Supported and Updated?!?
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I don't think it will be updated anymore. It will probably go the way of Fat binaries or the Mac 68k emulator on PowerPC Macs.
Eventually; but losing Intel Applications Support after Nineteen Years (with only 4 years into Apple Silicon) is a helluva Cliff from which to Dive!
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I don't think it will be updated anymore. It will probably go the way of Fat binaries or the Mac 68k emulator on PowerPC Macs.
You mean I won't be able to run my 68K mac programs any more?!
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If it's connected, it needs to be secure.
If that's your requirement, then you will have to buy new hardware. There's no software support contract available to do what you think you need.
If your browser is up-to-date then even if the rest of the apps are not getting updates you are still in pretty decent shape. But once your run out of support from Safari, Chrome, and/or Firefox then you really need to unplug the thing like it is a Windows 98SE machine.
If macOS 10.6 (and Safari) were still getting security patches, then you could say "I can safely run my old macOS 10.6 on my old hardware" but it's not, so unless it's a non-internet-connected system, you can't say that, at least not responsibly.
The article never said we'd stop receiving security patches, and I never implied that with my pos
update - you're still supported (Score:2)
I took a minute to look up a few things. I've been out of the Apple scene for a decade.
macOS 14 (Sonoma) should have security support until 2026 and macOS 15 (Sequoia) should keep its security support until 2027. If they remain consistent with Apple's long standing policy of 3 years of security support.
On the hardware front. Typically Apple reaches back at least 6 years for hardware support. So anything before 2021 is potentially at risk to be cut in macOS 26. Obviously 2018, 2019, and 2020 models listed in
Re: update - you're still supported (Score:2)
Yeah, the summary makes this look like some shocking news. But actually, that has been the more or less the usual procedure from Apple.
And if you consider the chip change in the middle of it all, it's even less surprising.
If Intel is supported, use OpenCore Patcher (Score:1)
OpenCore Legacy Patcher [github.io] is your friend if you have an out-of-support Intel Mac.
Models dating back to 2007 are supported, with limits of course.
Once Apple drops support for Intel, that will probably be the end of the line for running the current OS on older hardware.
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OpenCore Legacy Patcher [github.io] is your friend if you have an out-of-support Intel Mac.
Models dating back to 2007 are supported, with limits of course.
Once Apple drops support for Intel, that will probably be the end of the line for running the current OS on older hardware.
Methinks macOS 26 "Cheer" (eyeroll) is the "Transitional" macOS. It will likely be the last "Intel-Bootable" macOS. Get it while it's Hot, and OCLP that baby onto your Legacy Mac!!!
Rosetta2 Support will hopefully continue for QUITE awhile; but that only helps Mx Macs. . .
As an owner of a 2018 6 core MacMini... (Score:2)
This will be hard blow, but hey, it had to come one way or another.
Even though I am certain that OCPL will wring a few more years of updates, I'll remain on sequoia for one year, then on N-1, and in lockstep with my 2015 13" Air , as it is the sweet spot between UI consistency and Security.
Up until now both machines were/are on N.
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This will be hard blow, but hey, it had to come one way or another.
Apple never pre-announces the specifics, but they certainly hint strongly when they move a device to vintage status. Historically Apple "supports" a device 5 years after last retail sale. However, support does not automatically mean the latest OS, just continued security fixes on the last available version of the OS for the device until the device moves to obsolete status.
All things eventually end, and that includes Intel Mac support. I have been warning one of my clients, who is still using a Mac Min
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All things eventually end, and that includes Intel Mac support. I have been warning one of my clients, who is still using a Mac Mini 2018, for a number of months now, that they likely need to start to plan to upgrade to be able to stay current.
If your customer is able and Willing to stay on N-1 or N-2
OR
If they are able and willing to use OCLP
a 2018 MacMini is still a perfectly cromulent machine. Specially the 6 core one.
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Everyone else except Linux.
I only buy laptops with a Linux preinstall option (no OS if it's cheaper, Linux to be replaced with other Linux otherwise), so I know it'll work fine with Linux. My oldest machine in daily use (which admittedly had official support but not a preinstall) is currently clocking in at 15 years old. Fully patched etc etc etc.