Apple's Next-Gen Version of Siri Is 'On Par' With ChatGPT 39
According to Bloomberg's Mark Gurman (paywalled), Apple has big plans to turn Siri into a true ChatGPT competitor. "A next-generation, chatbot version of Siri has reportedly made significant progress during testing over the past six months; some executives allegedly now see it as 'on par' with recent versions of ChatGPT," reports MacRumors. "Apple is also apparently discussing giving Siri the ability to access the internet to gather and synthesize data from multiple sources, just like ChatGPT." From the report: The report added that Apple now has artificial intelligence offices in Zurich, where employees are working on an all-new software architecture for Siri. This "monolithic model" is entirely built on an LLM engine that will eventually replace Siri's current "hybrid" architecture that has been incoherently layered up with different functionality over many years. The new model will make Siri more conversational and better at synthesizing information.
Google's Gemini is expected to be added to iOS 19 as an alternative to ChatGPT in Siri, but Apple is also apparently in talks with Perplexity to add their AI service as another option in the future, for both Siri and Safari search.
Google's Gemini is expected to be added to iOS 19 as an alternative to ChatGPT in Siri, but Apple is also apparently in talks with Perplexity to add their AI service as another option in the future, for both Siri and Safari search.
better at what? (Score:5, Informative)
"The new model will make Siri ... better at synthesizing information."
Isn't that EXACTLY the problem? We ask questions because we want answers, not highly polished bullshit hallucinated by a sociopathic AI.
Re:better at what? (Score:5, Insightful)
it isn't "sociopathic", its owners are.
it isn't "AI", it is a glorified string generator.
it isn't "hallucinating", it is generating garbage.
please stop anthropomorphizing it.
Re: better at what? (Score:2)
Yeah! People who anthropomorphize software make my keyboard angry!
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If you are a right wingnut, then people make you angry.
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it isn't "AI", it is a glorified string generator.
The term isn't describing the generation, it's describing the underlying training of the model. This isn't anthropomorphizing, this is simply using the correct industry accepted term.
it isn't "hallucinating", it is generating garbage.
While I partially agree here, you're not doing anything here other than complicating your ability to communicate with others. AI hallucination is the industry accepted term for this. By making up your own term you're not helping anyone. Also even if this is an anthropomorphization that doesn't change anything.
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I really don't care about "communicating with the industry", they have a way to accommodate me that usually works for them.
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it isn't "AI", it is a glorified string generator.
The term isn't describing the generation, it's describing the underlying training of the model. This isn't anthropomorphizing, this is simply using the correct industry accepted term.
it isn't "hallucinating", it is generating garbage.
While I partially agree here, you're not doing anything here other than complicating your ability to communicate with others. AI hallucination is the industry accepted term for this. By making up your own term you're not helping anyone. Also even if this is an anthropomorphization that doesn't change anything.
In this particular case, the industry accepted term is meant as propaganda to help push the idea that these machines are the equivalent of a human mind. While I don't rage out over people using the industry accepted term, I'm certainly not going to scold someone for pointing out that this is a negative precedent. We non-industry players don't need to lend a hand to the industry's propaganda wing. If they want to convince the world the machines are going to take over, let them work for it.
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Isn't that EXACTLY the problem? We ask questions because we want answers, not highly polished bullshit hallucinated by a sociopathic AI.
I have a hard time imagining that you could actually use ChatGPT and have this be your takeaway. Have you?
For questions like "What pizza places are nearby?" or "Where's a good place to get a drink with friends?" it's miles ahead of current-state Siri.
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"The new model will make Siri ... better at synthesizing information."
Isn't that EXACTLY the problem? We ask questions because we want answers, not highly polished bullshit hallucinated by a sociopathic AI.
They're talking about how ChatGPT currently uses multiple web searches when formulating an answer. No, it's not a problem. In fact, it seems to be steadily improving and less prone to hallucination. And referring to AI as "sociopathic" seems a tad hyperbolic - no?
It’s not going to happen. (Score:2)
Apple’s developers can’t even get Siri to pronounce words consistently. Half the time it says “Amazon” or “remastered” to me Siri mispronounces the word. I laugh at the idea that Apple can turn Siri into a serious competitor to ChatGPT. I know that some people will say that this is a new team in a different country, they’ll build something great from scratch. But if Apple was capable of making a good Siri they would have hired good people the first time around!
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I laugh at the idea that Apple can turn Siri into a serious competitor to ChatGPT.
But "some executives allegedly now see it as 'on par' with recent versions of ChatGPT"! What incentive do Apple execs have to claim Siri is on par with ChatGPT if it really isn't?! It's not like they'll benefit financially from their lies, right?
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Appleâ(TM)s developers canâ(TM)t even get Siri to pronounce words consistently. Half the time it says âoeAmazonâ or âoeremasteredâ to me Siri mispronounces the word.
Apple have always had problems with speech. Back in the OG iMac days, the OS (7?) used to come with a text to speech converter which would speak out system dialogs among other things. They didn't have great rules on English pronunciation, and they didn't even bother to special case the first 10,000 most common words
I remember Gen 1 Siri as pretty effective (Score:4, Insightful)
The very first iteration of Siri, which IIRC was connected to Wolfram Alpha and other sources, and also the OS, was way better as I remember. Not only was it better at finding information, it was better at parsing my input into actual iphone actions, for example, setting a calendar event, calling someone, sending a text, and most importantly, searching the web directly for a particular phrase, or opening a website.
I have not played with Siri in several years, because it lost that functionality and I couldn't figure out how to make it useful, which is of course the bottom line of the tool. I want star trek level comprehension of my requests and corresponding accurate action. Give me that, I don't really care what underlies the interface or whether the interface is 'conversational.'
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If you want "Star Trek level comprehension" then you want a conversational interface. The alternative is canned commands like "Siri, set an alarm for 8 am" which still works fine, BTW.
Dear Apple (Score:2)
So this is ... (Score:2)
Bring it, don't sing it. (Score:5, Insightful)
What happened to that vow to stop announcing things far in advance of actually releasing them?
Re:Bring it, don't sing it. (Score:4, Informative)
It was a short, meaningless fad that never happened.
We cannot allow a marketing bullshit gap.
How about letting the users decide? (Score:1)
In China the CCP says you can use any AI you want as long as it comes from Alibaba
Re: How about letting the users decide? (Score:5, Insightful)
When the Republicans are in power, you can say "Down with Trump!" and you won't be punished.
Is that a fact?
Because just yesterday the republican chieftan-in-power literally told us that the choice to support a politician different from him is "unlawful":
https://www.mediaite.com/news/... [mediaite.com]
Seems fishy (Score:1)
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to be fair... they're right about this, but not because their product got better.
Second funniest headline of the day (Score:2)
"some executives allegedly now see it as 'on par' with recent versions of ChatGPT,"
Exceeded only by ; "Investors Have Accepted The Fact That U.S. Debt Will Expand At An Absurd Pace Until There Is Hell To Pay."
Gurman is occasionally right, but I think this is the Cupertino reality distortion field in effect.
Apple's autocorrect keeps wanting to change Gurman to German. If they can't figure that out AI will remain Augmented Idiocy.
Please no (Score:1)
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No one is asking them for this. No one is asking for any of their AI features. I do not care that these tools suck, because I donâ(TM)t want or need them.
Huh? People have been asking for "smarter Siri" for at least a decade when it became clear that it had been surpassed by Alexa and Google Assistant. I don't think anyone cares whether they solve that problem using AI, but you have to acknowledge that it's a problem that needs solving somehow.
I'm not going to even try to resist (Score:2)
"...Next-Gen Version of Siri Is 'On Par' With ChatGPT"
So Siri is finally going to show us she can suck with the best.
The all-new software architecture (Score:1)
So many inconsistencies ... (Score:2)
So, Apple executives now see Siri as "on par" with recent versions of ChatGPT. Yet, "Apple is also apparently discussing giving Siri the ability to access the internet to gather and synthesize data from multiple sources, just like ChatGPT." So, the "on par" Siri might or might have get this ability that ChatGPT already has.
Meanwhile, "Google's Gemini is expected to be added to iOS 19 as an alternative to ChatGPT in Siri, but Apple is also apparently in talks with Perplexity to add their AI service as anot
Re: So many inconsistencies ... (Score:1)
So a bumbling, self-assured moron as well? (Score:2)
In other news, Siri and ChatGPT start to resemble some of the dumber members of the human race with regards to their mental "skills" (or rather their absence).
Who said AGI had to be smart!
Siri can't tell a good joke..... (Score:1)
So still a long way behind (Score:2)
When you have to say it's as good as X (Score:2)
It isn't as good as X. The company just wants you to *think* it's as good as X.